QueenZone discussion #594393

Victoria wrote: Is it like saying kinky sex is immoral? Cause sex itself is not immoral, most of the time. It happens, cause we're human. Some people just do it different. I guess it really depends on how you strip. You can do in a beautiful sense, or a dirty one.

Gecko wrote: guy...your first paragraph was also a good point, i guess its like drugs, if a person is hooked on them, are they really doing anything immoral?? possibly illegal but not really immoral, now the person who sells that person those drugs are doing something immoral, due to the fact that they are preying on the persons weakness and dependency.

Guy wrote: Exactly. Stripping, like consuming drugs, doesn't hurt others. Dealing drugs, however, does hurt other people.

Mr.Jingles wrote: From the perverts of NAMBLA who think there's nothing wrong with adults having sex with children, to the ultra conservatives wackos who wish to turn every single TV channel into PAX.

Fenderek wrote: I thought NAMBLA was National Accosiation of Marlon Brando Look Alikes :)

Fenderek wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote: From the perverts of NAMBLA who think there's nothing wrong with adults having sex with children, to the ultra conservatives wackos who wish to turn every single TV channel into PAX.

I thought NAMBLA was National Accosiation of Marlon Brando Look Alikes :)

The Mir@cle wrote: I have to agree with Guy... I don't like the idea of a person selling his/her body either. My friends surprised me with a lap-dance on my last year’s birthday party. Well, we laughed a lot and I'll never forget it. It was a pretty girl and she sat completely naked at my lap... But she couldn't turn me on at all, just because of the thought that she does such low things to raise money.

Alex Solan wrote: There's nothing wrong with a person who sells his/her body, specially when that person lives in an unfair society that denies him/her the chance of a "normal" job. Excellent points also by Brenski. The immoral word was invented by human being. Who are we to decide what's immoral and what doesn't?

Alex Solan wrote:

Guy wrote:

Alex Solan wrote: There's nothing wrong with a person who sells his/her body, specially when that person lives in an unfair society that denies him/her the chance of a "normal" job. Excellent points also by Brenski. The immoral word was invented by human being. Who are we to decide what's immoral and what doesn't?

What kind of arguement is that? Does the fact we invented the word "rape" mean we can't judge rapists? Who are we to decide anything at all?

The word rape have a more accurate sense, immoral doesn't. People supports on that word to discriminate and judge people by their jobs, religion, etc. To rape it is a CRIME. That's outta discussion. Who are you to judge a person who strips in a club? Is his/her choice.

<font color=#CC0066>Sonia Doris</font> wrote: Why would it be immoral? I mean it's the way we are born: naked... without clothes and/or prejudices... So ww can say that most ancient pre-greek civilisations, lots of tribes around the world are immoral?

Zeni wrote:

<font color=#CC0066>Sonia Doris</font> wrote: Why would it be immoral? I mean it's the way we are born: naked... without clothes and/or prejudices... So ww can say that most ancient pre-greek civilisations, lots of tribes around the world are immoral?

There's a pretty big difference between basic nudity and stripping.

<font color=#CC0066>Sonia Doris</font> wrote:

Zeni wrote:

<font color=#CC0066>Sonia Doris</font> wrote: Why would it be immoral? I mean it's the way we are born: naked... without clothes and/or prejudices... So ww can say that most ancient pre-greek civilisations, lots of tribes around the world are immoral?

There's a pretty big difference between basic nudity and stripping.

not really, if u think of it. ancient cultures valued sexuality. we don't. we've erased the idea of pleasure, of normality when the bases of the Christian beliefs were drawn...

Guy wrote:

<font color=#CC0066>Sonia Doris</font> wrote:

Zeni wrote:

<font color=#CC0066>Sonia Doris</font> wrote: Why would it be immoral? I mean it's the way we are born: naked... without clothes and/or prejudices... So ww can say that most ancient pre-greek civilisations, lots of tribes around the world are immoral?

There's a pretty big difference between basic nudity and stripping.

not really, if u think of it. ancient cultures valued sexuality. we don't. we've erased the idea of pleasure, of normality when the bases of the Christian beliefs were drawn...

Who's "we"?

<font color=#CC0066>Sonia Doris</font> wrote:

Guy wrote:

<font color=#CC0066>Sonia Doris</font> wrote:

Zeni wrote:

<font color=#CC0066>Sonia Doris</font> wrote: Why would it be immoral? I mean it's the way we are born: naked... without clothes and/or prejudices... So ww can say that most ancient pre-greek civilisations, lots of tribes around the world are immoral?

There's a pretty big difference between basic nudity and stripping.

not really, if u think of it. ancient cultures valued sexuality. we don't. we've erased the idea of pleasure, of normality when the bases of the Christian beliefs were drawn...

Who's "we"?

the race known as humans

Guy wrote:

<font color=#CC0066>Sonia Doris</font> wrote:

Guy wrote:

<font color=#CC0066>Sonia Doris</font> wrote:

Zeni wrote:

<font color=#CC0066>Sonia Doris</font> wrote: Why would it be immoral? I mean it's the way we are born: naked... without clothes and/or prejudices... So ww can say that most ancient pre-greek civilisations, lots of tribes around the world are immoral?

There's a pretty big difference between basic nudity and stripping.

not really, if u think of it. ancient cultures valued sexuality. we don't. we've erased the idea of pleasure, of normality when the bases of the Christian beliefs were drawn...

Who's "we"?

the race known as humans

I don't know about you, but I haven't erased any idea of pleasure. Did you ever stop to think each one of "us" enjoys different things? If you enjoy walking around nude, good for you, but that doesn't mean I have to enjoy it as well.

<font color =#CC00FF>***Marial-B*** wrote: For me the thought of being immoral it'll be more of doing a behaviour that you know you'll be judge for that. I'll take for example Ron Jeremy. Since I saw "The Surreal Life" I realized the man is more than a porn star. He's also a human being, and his acts are more than showing his penis all over the world. The fact that made me thought more about it was that he didn't strip at all when they went to the nude resort. He said he will do it after one of his roomies did it, and it was true. He did it just after Trishelle did it. So after all, someone pointed as an "immoral" was behaving "normally" like the others

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Guy wrote:

<font color=#CC0066>Sonia Doris</font> wrote: the race known as humans

I don't know about you, but I haven't erased any idea of pleasure. Did you ever stop to think each one of "us" enjoys different things? If you enjoy walking around nude, good for you, but that doesn't mean I have to enjoy it as well.

Watching Jessica Alba nude = GOOD Watching my 93 year old great grandma nude = BAD

<font color=#00FFFF>Elastafta</font> wrote:

<font color =#CC00FF>***Marial-B*** wrote: For me the thought of being immoral it'll be more of doing a behaviour that you know you'll be judge for that. I'll take for example Ron Jeremy. Since I saw "The Surreal Life" I realized the man is more than a porn star. He's also a human being, and his acts are more than showing his penis all over the world. The fact that made me thought more about it was that he didn't strip at all when they went to the nude resort. He said he will do it after one of his roomies did it, and it was true. He did it just after Trishelle did it. So after all, someone pointed as an "immoral" was behaving "normally" like the others

Yeah, I ended up watcing the Surreal Life and at first I had no idea that he was a porn star at all. It was not like he acted different or anything, he did not brag or talk about it much unless it was brought up. So that also could bring up the point of how you handle yourself. I guess what it really comes down to is what you think and how you feel about yourself. If someone thinks that it is alright to strip then, to each his own I guess. That does not make it right or wrong. And it does not make people right or wrong to go and watch. I like oranges, there will always be someone who hates oranges. As there will be people who think it is okay to strip and there are people that won't. Personally I have never really thought about it that much to have an opinnion on stripping. Just because it is legal doesn't mean its a good or a bad thing. Really as I said, I feel that it depends on your personal opinnion. To each his own.

Sonia Doris wrote: not really, if u think of it. ancient cultures valued sexuality. we don't. we've erased the idea of pleasure, of normality when the bases of the Christian beliefs were drawn...

geeksandgeeks wrote: And for the record, I don't see anything particularly wrong with stripping, prostitution, starring in adult films, or fluffing (if you don't know what that is, look it up, because I don't really want to explain it) - they're jobs, and many people consider them to be good, lucrative ones.