QueenZone discussion #593744

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Here's what's truly pathetic about this section of Queenzone: People just download, a few say thank you, others request things to be reseeded, but there is very little discussion (if any at all!) regarding what they have just downloaded. Pitiful. This kind of discussion could be helpful for someone who doesn't know anything about the recording. They could read a few posts with differing opinions, and then decide if they want to use the bandwith to download the material. But whenever have QZ and logic mixed, anyway? Everybody will just keep leeching regardless of what anyone says on this matter, but I just felt I had to complain about this anyway. I realize this is the annonuce section, but I thought I'd post this here so some leechers who don't surf to other sections of the forum could see it.

ROGER37 wrote: Completely according to you!

ROGER37 wrote: Completely according to you!

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

ROGER37 wrote: Completely according to you!

Hahaha, if the majority of your posts weren't in the announce section asking people for things, I might have taken your comment seriously. Ratio is definitely a good idea Fenderek, but who would put that into place and monitor it? How would one keep track of how many Mb have been downloaded?

Mr Mercury wrote:

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

ROGER37 wrote: Completely according to you!

Hahaha, if the majority of your posts weren't in the announce section asking people for things, I might have taken your comment seriously. Ratio is definitely a good idea Fenderek, but who would put that into place and monitor it? How would one keep track of how many Mb have been downloaded?

Richard said a couple of months ago that he was going to implement a share ratio system and thats fine by me. But my problem is this - although you can do this with the torrent stuff, how can you put a share ratio on stuff uploaded to RapidShare for instance?

Zeni wrote: An 80% share ratio is nothing to brag about, much less a 30% ratio.

Zeni wrote: Stay, leave, whatever. Just reminding others that a share ratio of less than 100% is leeching to some extent. Obviously, 95% is a bit more forgivable than 30%. The only thing that keeps this alive is sharing.

Fenderek wrote: 1. WE NEED share ratio... Whoever uploads less than 25% of whatever was downloaded shouldn't be allowed to download anymore. ((SNIP)) Dunno- see point 1. Share ratio would help a lot!!!

Mantrashak wrote:

Zeni wrote: Stay, leave, whatever. Just reminding others that a share ratio of less than 100% is leeching to some extent. Obviously, 95% is a bit more forgivable than 30%. The only thing that keeps this alive is sharing.

Well, thanks for the warm welcome. If you scare off everyone who comes here by being so critical you'll end up with no-one sharing anything at all. Certainly made me think twice about whether I should upload anything, just in case someone fails to meet their 100% share ratio.

Zeni wrote: I am really a bundle of warm fuzzies and candy-corn.

ROGER37 wrote: I requested some gigs that many other people would like to have! Ok, next time I request all gigs in one unique page! But Rick, you can't say I'm a leecher, because when I read request forum, if I have some gigs that are requested, I upload those! What did you upload since you've been here? Show me!

_Tatterdemalion_ wrote:

ROGER37 wrote: I requested some gigs that many other people would like to have! Ok, next time I request all gigs in one unique page! But Rick, you can't say I'm a leecher, because when I read request forum, if I have some gigs that are requested, I upload those! What did you upload since you've been here? Show me!

He was one of the guys who arranged the uploading of Houston 1977 complete, so... SHUT IT!

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Here's what's truly pathetic about this section of Queenzone: Everybody will just keep leeching regardless of what anyone says on this matter, but I just felt I had to complain about this anyway.

Alex Solan wrote: I agree with in every point BUT what happens when someone like Thijs shares "rare" stuff and is completely bashed for doing it? Wouldn't that extend the horizon and make that more people have the chance to share and trade - not a snobbish sport but like a nice way to make friends?

Queenfred wrote: BORING BORING BORING The only thing dumber about this thread was the stupid act of reading it.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Here's what's truly pathetic about this section of Queenzone: People just download, a few say thank you, others request things to be reseeded, but there is very little discussion (if any at all!) regarding what they have just downloaded. Pitiful. This kind of discussion could be helpful for someone who doesn't know anything about the recording. They could read a few posts with differing opinions, and then decide if they want to use the bandwith to download the material. But whenever have QZ and logic mixed, anyway? Everybody will just keep leeching regardless of what anyone says on this matter, but I just felt I had to complain about this anyway. I realize this is the annonuce section, but I thought I'd post this here so some leechers who don't surf to other sections of the forum could see it.

ok.computer wrote: I work 9-5 and three nights a week, I have evening meetings on top of that. I get a few hours during the week to browse this and other sites. The rest of the time, I spend my time living life outside of this site.

ok.computer wrote: But I don't have time to go searching the planet for all the stuff you upload Nor do I wish to. However I WILL download the odd song if I find it online.

ok.computer wrote: It's quite simple. If you don't want to share, don't upload. Swap addresses with your wee mates in here, and email/snail-mail your stuff to each other. But for FUCK's sake, whatever you do - get a bloody life.

ok.computer wrote: A starving person dies every three seconds in the third world? 50-something people dead in wacko-terrorist explosions in London? 3000 people killed in Northern Ireland by petty conflict? 700 dead in India today ALONE from floods? And you worry about people downloading illegal material that you upload to the internet?? Get out more.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: I definitely wasn't pleased when I saw that post in the Hammy75 topic telling you to immediately share your copy.

ok.computer wrote: I have often noted in my posts that this is an open forum in which people can write whatever they want - as long as they can back it up with rationale thought.

ok.computer wrote: Actually, I like to modify how and what I write to be accessible to the lowest common denominator.

ok.computer wrote: But I won't be called a leecher, when the material is offered with no share ratio, no controls and no moderation.

ok.computer wrote: Anyway, let's take this in a different direction: Tell you what. All the vinyl bootlegs I have, you lot probably have too. Mannheim, Sheetkeekers, etc. And my RT concert in Florence. The Cross at the Astoria. All of those. But if I transpose them to digital from vinyl and tape, and upload them, will that make you happy? At least I'm *sharing*. Or do you want to impose a limit on what material can be uploaded too?

Zeni wrote: And Lester - that duck was hand-raised from birth. Do you sing it to sleep as my instructions indicated?

djaef wrote: If you don't have anything new to share, that's fine. Totally understandable. But everyone can help out with seeding / reseeding the torrents and that is the right thing to do. We mightn't have a share ratio enforced her yet, but if you need something like that to be in place for you to do the right thing, then that's sad.

Zeni wrote: Stay, leave, whatever. Just reminding others that a share ratio of less than 100% is leeching to some extent. Obviously, 95% is a bit more forgivable than 30%. The only thing that keeps this alive is sharing.

Bob The Shrek wrote:

Zeni wrote: Stay, leave, whatever. Just reminding others that a share ratio of less than 100% is leeching to some extent. Obviously, 95% is a bit more forgivable than 30%. The only thing that keeps this alive is sharing.

I downloaded my first ever torrent yesterday and my share ratio is 304% - do I get a free duck?

Zeni wrote: All I got left at this point in the season, Bob, are tap-dancing Mallards. But I'll get one shipped out ASAP

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Everyone, just look... how many of the announce topics from the past months contain a constructive conversation about the content (quality, performance, etc.) of the material being shared?

djaef wrote: That is very true. But do you think that part of the reason for this is the assumption that the sharing forum is 'just' to post ANNOUNCE messages? It seems that whenever someone posts something about anything else, they get jumped on for posting in the wrong topic. I don't mean to say that this is the major reason. I think there is a ot more to it than that. But I do think we need to change the perception around this particular forum. Conversations about the various boots belong in this forum, not in any other one. But Bob! If you start off an attempt at intelligent conversation in this forum, as Lester did in the serious forum, I'll certainly jump in with my two cents. (assuming I have the show you talk about :))

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Sounds great! :) But you're right, perhaps the name of the forum may be part of the problem. Then how about the name "Announce/Discuss", as opposed to "Announce" ?