| oobatz 27.07.2005 06:35 |
Just found this.. link |
| Serry... 27.07.2005 06:36 |
19/09/2005... |
| Mr Drowse 27.07.2005 08:34 |
So this is what it's really gonna be called? Hm... |
| its_a_hard_life 27.07.2005 16:48 |
very interesting.... |
| doremi 27.07.2005 17:07 |
The artwork is actually quite nice! |
| brENsKi 27.07.2005 17:07 |
from a 'royalties' point of view it is certainly interesting okay - so from a performance point of view the split is even amongst those on stage but from a song-writing royalies angle, my 'Brian May is Removing Traces of FM' theory stands up song-writing royalties for this 2 cd pack FM - 5 songs BM - 9 RT - 4 JD - 2 PR - 6 |
| doremi 27.07.2005 17:15 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: from a 'royalties' point of view it is certainly interesting okay - so from a performance point of view the split is even amongst those on stage but from a song-writing royalies angle, my 'Brian May is Removing Traces of FM' theory stands up song-writing royalties for this 2 cd pack FM - 5 songs BM - 9 RT - 4 JD - 2 PR - 6Martin, thanks for pointing that out. I wasn't even noticing. I just went back to check the track listing. Yep. Mr. May hears the mightiest and loudest sound of Ca-Ching! Brian's gonna make the Forbes list with Oprah if he keeps this up. Might be good for his bank account, but it's lousy from a creative point of view...regarding Freddie especially. |
| doremi 27.07.2005 17:32 |
Arlene R. Weiss wrote:Martin, I copied my post from the tour thread about this album's title. Think you might enjoy this!<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: from a 'royalties' point of view it is certainly interesting okay - so from a performance point of view the split is even amongst those on stage but from a song-writing royalies angle, my 'Brian May is Removing Traces of FM' theory stands up song-writing royalties for this 2 cd pack FM - 5 songs BM - 9 RT - 4 JD - 2 PR - 6Martin, thanks for pointing that out. I wasn't even noticing. I just went back to check the track listing. Yep. Mr. May hears the mightiest and loudest sound of Ca-Ching! Brian's gonna make the Forbes list with Oprah if he keeps this up. Might be good for his bank account, but it's lousy from a creative point of view...regarding Freddie especially. Arlene R. Weiss wrote:Arlene R. Weiss wrote: They could have called it ''Breakfast Of Champions'' but I guess having to get the legal rights and pay royalties to Wheaties was out of the question!Actually, I have an idea! Lightbulb! Brian LOVES making money right! When they release the CD and DVD, he should do what Star Wars did, have the Wheaties company PAY HIM roylaties to put his face on the cereal box to cross promote ''Return Of The Champions''. Plaster his mug on everything from pop tarts to Slurpees like Star Wars did, and everytime a box is sold with his face on the box, he hears the mighty sound of Ca-CHING! |
| inu-liger 27.07.2005 22:14 |
No "Under Pressure"?! Bastards!! |
| Lester Burnham 27.07.2005 22:18 |
'Let There Be Gene', eh? And that's not the finalized artwork. It says "TBC" beneath it - "to be confirmed". |
| inu-liger 27.07.2005 23:29 |
'Let There Be Gene' isn't a Paul Rodgers track, Brenski |
| Lester Burnham 28.07.2005 00:11 |
...unless you meant Lester Burnham, which is my name, I don't see why you brought up Brenski. |
| Shay 28.07.2005 04:12 |
"Let There Be Gene"....Simmons???....LOL |
| Serry... 28.07.2005 07:15 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: from a 'royalties' point of view it is certainly interesting okay - so from a performance point of view the split is even amongst those on stage but from a song-writing royalies angle, my 'Brian May is Removing Traces of FM' theory stands up song-writing royalties for this 2 cd pack FM - 5 songs BM - 9 RT - 4 JD - 2 PR - 6I was quietly surprised by the list of songs which have been performed on Queen's part of Freddie's Tribute: Tie Your Mother Down, I Want It All, Las Palabras De Amor, Hammer To Fall... |
| Boy Thomas Raker 28.07.2005 10:18 |
As much as we've all been harping on the band for their love of filthy lucre, I think the song list for this tour relflects the fact that Brian, who wrote most of Queen's heavier numbers, is from the same rock school as Paul Rodgers. Lots of A, D and E chords. Freddie wrote lots of songs that were Eb and Ab things that are hard to sing and harder to play on guitar. And his best rock songs were found on the earlier albums, which they seem to have forsaken to paly the hits instead. |
| Penetration_Guru 28.07.2005 14:08 |
Exactly. To suggest anything else makes you look like a conspiracy theorist. |
| Penetration_Guru 28.07.2005 14:21 |
What FM songs could be included? Somebody To Love got dropped from the Magic Tour, which only leaves 2 FM songs that are on the last tour set but not on this - SSOR, & LOTG. Neither were fully performed, and both were replacing KYA & GKR on The Works tour as token old tracks. Look at it another way - what Queen songs (irrespective of writer) are most surprisingly missing? THis is subjective, but personally I'd say Now I'm Here is the biggest surprise omission. Now, who wrote that? |
| brENsKi 28.07.2005 17:30 |
sorry but i have to disagree with this...FM's songs are getting pushed further back - until all that will be left will be the one's you can't have a queen concert without - ie BoRhap and WATC - believe me this will happen FM had seven songs on the magic tour (icl co-writes) he now has four here's his totals magic - 7 works - 11 HS -9 game (europe) - 9 crazy - 11 l/killers - 10 jazz - 8 NOTW - 11 races - 12 opera - 10 so until BHM decided to 'remove traces of Mercury, from the Queen diet' Fm was doing quite well - it's a consistent spread until this tour. When you consider that Bri writes the rockier numbers with a live feel - it's even more staggering that only now - first tour as queen after Fred's demise - that Fred's less represented on the setlist |
| doremi 28.07.2005 18:18 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: sorry but i have to disagree with this...FM's songs are getting pushed further back - until all that will be left will be the one's you can't have a queen concert without - ie BoRhap and WATC - believe me this will happen FM had seven songs on the magic tour (icl co-writes) he now has four here's his totals magic - 7 works - 11 HS -9 game (europe) - 9 crazy - 11 l/killers - 10 jazz - 8 NOTW - 11 races - 12 opera - 10 so until BHM decided to 'remove traces of Mercury, from the Queen diet' Fm was doing quite well - it's a consistent spread until this tour. When you consider that Bri writes the rockier numbers with a live feel - it's even more staggering that only now - first tour as queen after Fred's demise - that Fred's less represented on the setlistMartin I'm Totally in agreement with you. With Freddie gone, Brian can pretty much rule the roost as the ''King'' of Queen legally, financially, creatively. This is much like what Macca did the last few years, now that John Lennon is long passed, stating he's trying to get the entire Lennon/McCartney song publishing catalog to be restructured legally to say McCartney/Lennon...Right.. Look I admire Brian. He's a fine songwriter, musician, etc. But reality and history are what they are. I don't appreciate Brian's attempts to re-write history as HE wants it to be, for himself. And I do NOT appreciate Brian trampling on Freddie's grave in this money grubbing ego crazy fashion. It's insulting, disrespectful and just plain wrong. |
| Atheïst 28.07.2005 18:57 |
Credits for all new songs from the Miracle and on are Queen, so all members. This means that Show must go on, Days of our lives and I want it all (and probably say it's not true) are credited to all members royalty-wise. |
| Serry... 29.07.2005 01:17 |
davidcoppens wrote: Credits for all new songs from the Miracle and on are Queen, so all members. This means that Show must go on, Days of our lives and I want it all (and probably say it's not true) are credited to all members royalty-wise.I Want It All now credites to Brian. As well as Mother Love wasn't credited to Queen, though it's from post-The Miracle ages. (link |
| Boy Thomas Raker 29.07.2005 10:18 |
Anybody who thinks that Brian is trying to re-write history or lessen Freddie's accomplishments is on crack. Let's be real. This is a rock show. If you take the Miracle and Innuendo albums as Queen composed songs, then Freddie's last real 'rock' song was Princes of the Universe. It was never played live. So that's AKOM done. The Works? It's a Hard Life, Man on the Prowl and Open Windows. None work. Hot Space? Staying Power is the only song possible, it was played solely for the Hot Space tour and it hardly fits the setlist. The Game? Play the Game is a possibility (not a great one for PR), and they play Crazy. Jazz? Mustapha, Jealousy, Bicycle Race (great song, popular, but ridiculous if sung by anyone but FM), Let me entertain You is a possibility, but only played one tour and hardly a staple, Dont's stop me Now (see Bicycle Race), so no real candidates from Jazz. News has Champions, Get Down Make Love could work, Melancholy Blues couldn't. ADATR would only get STL as an option. ANATO has BR, LOML, and those are the only options. SHA has Killer Queen, don't know if that's PR's cup of tea, Lily of the Valley, Leroy Brown are out, and possibly both Lap songs could be played. On II, apart from SSOR, which is ridiculous for PR to sing lyrically, there's never anything from that album live. And Queen would give us Liar only, which I'd love to see them do. IMHO, there's not a lot of Freddie songs to choose from. They play the hits for the most part, but this tour sticks to more of the straight ahead rock stuff, which was written primarily by Brian. How that makes him re-writing Queen history is a sttrtch to say the least. The reasons Freddie's total decreased each tour is that he and Brian were the primary songwriters up to NOTW when John and Roger got two songs. So after NOTW off the top of my head, the band had 67 songs in their catalogue. Roger had written 7, John 5. Where do you think the majority of songs were going to come from live? And following that, who thinks stuff like Cool Cat, Life is Real, Pain is so... and stuff like that would work live? Uh, uh. That's why Brian's stuff is featured, it always had prominent guitar. |
| Fenderek 29.07.2005 10:22 |
BHM 0271 wrote: IMHO, there's not a lot of Freddie songs to choose from. They play the hits for the most part, but this tour sticks to more of the straight ahead rock stuff, which was written primarily by Brian. How that makes him re-writing Queen history is a sttrtch to say the least. The reasons Freddie's total decreased each tour is that he and Brian were the primary songwriters up to NOTW when John and Roger got two songs. So after NOTW off the top of my head, the band had 67 songs in their catalogue. Roger had written 7, John 5. Where do you think the majority of songs were going to come from live? And following that, who thinks stuff like Cool Cat, Life is Real, Pain is so... and stuff like that would work live? Uh, uh. That's why Brian's stuff is featured, it always had prominent guitar.Finally someone I agree with 100% Kudos to you- my thoughts exactliy- I just posted sth similar in Queen plus Rodgers thread... |
| Serry... 29.07.2005 10:41 |
BHM 0271 wrote: Anybody who thinks that Brian is trying to re-write history or lessen Freddie's accomplishments is on crack. Let's be real. This is a rock show.Is this why I Want It All now credites to Brian, but Hijack My Heart still to Queen? |
| Krizzy 29.07.2005 10:41 |
Well said BHM 0271! |
| Lester Burnham 29.07.2005 10:43 |
Not much more I can add to this except well said, BHM, but it won't keep the conspiracy theorists quiet. Let them have their hissy fits about how Brian is "rewriting Queen's history" to his specific needs; meanwhile, we can comfortably reassure them as the men in nice white jackets take them away. And Serry, I'm sorry, but that's a lame argument. You might as well argue why 'Made In Heaven' and 'I Was Born To Love You' was credited to Freddie even though Brian, Roger, and John completely re-arranged them and made them more Queen-like, so why was it not credited to Queen? |
| Penetration_Guru 29.07.2005 15:11 |
Let me repeat my question. WHICH FREDDIE SONGS WOULD YOU ADD? |
| Lord Fickle 29.07.2005 16:52 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: Let me repeat my question. WHICH FREDDIE SONGS WOULD YOU ADD?I was surprised Somebody To Love wasn't included, as I would have thought it would have suited PR. I'd also like to have seen It's Late, and Heaven For Everyone performed. |