| dysan 26.07.2005 04:11 |
They played it on BBC 6 this morning at 12.15am You can hear it on the BBC 6 website. It is exactly the same as the album cut, no new vocal or guitar work, and fades out with the intro of FHLI like on the album. That said, it is remixed slightly I'm sure, and sounds clearer. link click on listen, and scroll through. Also played are BBC versions of other Queen II stuff. |
| djaef 26.07.2005 04:39 |
dysan wrote: That said, it is remixed slightly I'm sure, and sounds clearer.I don't think so. I think it is exactly the same as the album cut. |
| dysan 26.07.2005 04:49 |
No, I think it is ~slightly~ remixed. |
| Roger's Beard 26.07.2005 05:19 |
Thanks for that. Shame it's only 96kb download. Anyone record it off-air on digital? Did they play Nevermore? |
| dysan 26.07.2005 05:29 |
From memory only Ogre Battle and White Queen are on there. May be wrong though. I like the way the DJ says it was recorded in 1984. Clueless! I know many of the people here could put high quality versions up here, but they get a little snotty about it being 'official'. You can tell it has undergone some remixing because little bits of (albeit hard to pick out) guitar amp and string noise are left in, and taken away from the released version, although they are the same performances. |
| Roger's Beard 26.07.2005 09:29 |
Well. This particular mix has NEVER been officially released, so I don't see why a high quality version couldn't be posted if anyone has one. |
| dysan 26.07.2005 10:39 |
But you see, it IS different. Same performance as album sure, but different panning on the instruments and the ~noises~ left in as I said. Whether it needs posting in great quality is another matter! This is a good companion thread to the Buffalo one. MOTBQ BBC is rare, but apparently we all have it! |
| inu-liger 26.07.2005 16:01 |
Oh shit, all that crap again?! I have found my long lost twin! |
| Wilki Amieva 26.07.2005 17:37 |
Oh sh*t!!! I was going to say EXACTLY the same, Richard! |
| brENsKi 26.07.2005 17:41 |
yeah, but these 'repeats' come 'round more often than Fawlty Towers on UKGoldTV....and you gotta love it...high quality conversation and a deja-vu sense of going mad but not being completely sure |
| inu-liger 26.07.2005 17:50 |
Wilki wrote: Oh sh*t!!! I was going to say EXACTLY the same, Richard!Including the 'twin' bit? |
| The Fonz 26.07.2005 22:45 |
John S Stuart to thread! Stat! |
| Serry... 27.07.2005 04:58 |
The Fonz wrote: John S Stuart to thread! Stat!Where were you when John and Richard have discussed about it through the days? |
| Roger's Beard 27.07.2005 06:51 |
Unless I'm mistaken, Greg Brooks DID say there WERE some differences in the mix itself. "In essence, this recording of Black Queen sounds more like a remix of the original version, rather than a new session take" extract from Record Collector magazine(date not known) |
| Fenderek 27.07.2005 07:03 |
Yes- the same Greg who ahving access to Queen archives and apparently owning the bootleg as well of golders Green still claims in his newly updated book that Queen played Keep Yourself alive, Hangman and Stone Cold Crazy that night... I would really be careful with believing everything Greg says... He gave us many interesting facts over the years (Freedom Train being a queen tack at innuendo session for instance) but also made many mistakes (his book is the best example) and... I sometimes have a feeling taht when he's not sure about something (and he is too proud to admit that)- hge just makes up something. So he wrote BBC version of Black queen is different. In the beforementioned article (I have it) he claims there are vocal ad-libs not present on the album cut. And it's just pure bollocks... Either he's deaf or just wrote something for the sake of it (couldn't come up with anything else, didn't know the band supplied the original mix, just was too lazy to cross- check- just like with the book)... |
| dysan 27.07.2005 07:05 |
my point exactly. you wouldn't notice any difference at all... I was (and I'm sure Greg was) listening in great detail. It seems odd that although it is a version of the album cut, it still goes into FHLI and fades out. My final guess would be it is taken from a rough mix of the album... so although the segue is inplace, it isn't quite the 'final' mix of the song. |
| Fenderek 27.07.2005 07:38 |
Or maybe it was mixed but not mastered yet? But there are definitely no ad-libs orr anything that we don't know from the album... Nothing was recorded in BBC studio- that's obvious... |
| dysan 27.07.2005 07:44 |
yeah.. something like that. The presence of the 'studio noises' on the BBC recording suggest it was remixed and tidied up before release, but following the same studio notes for mixing... so whilst the performances are the same, there are ~differences~ but not too obvious. |
| Ale_Pisa 27.07.2005 08:09 |
Someone can upload this track? I can't hear! Please |
| inu-liger 27.07.2005 08:52 |
No, because it's official material |
| dysan 27.07.2005 08:57 |
I know this has been done to death, but I'd say yes upload it, because it isn't official... it's a ~BBC~ recording and can be audibly proved to be NOT the same sonically as the regular album cut. Obvious the differences are TINY, but are still there. |
| Fenderek 27.07.2005 09:03 |
It already ahppened- the version were HERE compared- noone noticed any differences... |
| dysan 27.07.2005 09:07 |
Maybe no one here has the ability to tell the differences? Which is understandable. I'm a Techie, and know what to spot. |
| Wilki Amieva 27.07.2005 09:24 |
I did a detailed comparison ages ago. |
| dysan 27.07.2005 09:30 |
What did you find? Did you notice the afformentioned noises and stereo panning differences? |
| inu-liger 27.07.2005 18:56 |
Oh my fucking god... |
| The Fonz 27.07.2005 20:43 |
Serry... wrote:It's a joke. It's been discussed to death, JSS has said it's no different...and here we go again.The Fonz wrote: John S Stuart to thread! Stat!Where were you when John and Richard have discussed about it through the days? What I would like to know is what they used to play it? I'm guesing it was stored on reel-to-reels from back in the early 70's? Have the beeb recently transferred everything to some form of digital media? |
| inu-liger 27.07.2005 22:06 |
The Fonz wrote:The copy that Queen Productions own now, thanks to a generous donation from a private collector, was recorded "off-air", whatever that meant. And yes, it was on a reel-to-reel tape. Not sure which size though (I should ask Greg that question).Serry... wrote:It's a joke. It's been discussed to death, JSS has said it's no different...and here we go again. What I would like to know is what they used to play it? I'm guesing it was stored on reel-to-reels from back in the early 70's? Have the beeb recently transferred everything to some form of digital media?The Fonz wrote: John S Stuart to thread! Stat!Where were you when John and Richard have discussed about it through the days? 1/4" reel-to-reel tapes are (or were) the most common stereo analogue tapes. I'd imagine the copy that exists is on that format. The original mastertapes were deleted by the BBC, so don't expect any 5.1 remixes from those...EVER! (If it was recorded as a multitrack, which I imagine they did. If they did, it probably would've been an 8-track or 16-track tape) The other 5 sessions should still exist in their original (multitracked?) mastertape form. |
| inu-liger 27.07.2005 22:09 |
Dysan, I did a stereo A:B mix myself, which I discussed the results of with Greg Brooks, where I put the BBC tape copy of the song (kindly provided for free by Greg himself) on the left channel, changed the speed digitally after converting it to 192kHz quality (changing the speeds on 44.1kHz quality will KILL the quality!) so that it was synchronized with the CD copy I downloaded off of KaZaA, and found no difference other than tape hiss on the BBC "version" channel side. You're NOT missing anything. But if you want to wait a while: Even Greg Brooks said to me he's interested in the idea of an A:B comparison, and he will have Justin do a mix himself in the same way I did it, so he can see for himself what I was talking about (and thus discrediting his article in the process) |
| The Fonz 27.07.2005 22:16 |
Inu-Liger<h6>-a.k.a. Richard Guilbault- wrote: [/QUOTENAME The copy that Queen Productions own now, thanks to a generous donation from a private collector, was recorded "off-air", whatever that meant. And yes, it was on a reel-to-reel tape. Not sure which size though (I should ask Greg that question). 1/4" reel-to-reel tapes are (or were) the most common stereo analogue tapes. I'd imagine the copy that exists is on that format. The original mastertapes were deleted by the BBC, so don't expect any 5.1 remixes from those...EVER! (If it was recorded as a multitrack, which I imagine they did. If they did, it probably would've been an 8-track or 16-track tape) The other 5 sessions should still exist in their original (multitracked?) mastertape form.So, if the BBC deleted the masters (as I understood also), does this mean they've 'borrowed' the queen productions copy to replay for this show? |
| inu-liger 27.07.2005 23:24 |
Possibly |
| dysan 28.07.2005 05:07 |
but it's bullshit that they are the same. Get a trained musical techie to compare and not some list making 'archivist'. p.s. that's not an insult, merely a moot point. I've read it all before too, of course, but having heard the 'clean' rebroadcast, I'm surprised no one has noticed. To clarify: Exactly the same performance as album version, slightly unfinished mix with some buzzing and instrument noise edited out in the final version. IMO. |
| Wilki Amieva 28.07.2005 08:53 |
Just a piece of advice, Richard: You should start reading SERIOUS literature about audio production. |
| Lester Burnham 28.07.2005 14:20 |
dysan - they are the same exact performances. Nothing has been remixed, no channels have been swapped, nothing. If you listen to the version on Queen II, you have just listened to the BBC version, as well. |
| dysan 29.07.2005 04:42 |
Then you haven't listened carefully. I don't mind... I can accept that everyone will have different views on it. Let's just be thankful that we have this great opportunity to discuss music that we love with other fans as passionate as us. If you can't hear the string scraps that are in the BBC version I'm really surprised. |