gazfred 23.07.2005 14:35 |
i realise this topic may have been covered b4 but im goin 2 raise it again. bearing in mind QPR had the whole of the queen back catalogue to choose songs from do u wish there had been a few different songs. by the look of the setlist for the new dvd only i want it all the show must go on and these are the days were done from the three non toured albums. Would have loved to see innuendo,headlong,the miracle,breakthru, was it all worth it and heaven for everyone and possibly songs from earlier queen albums which seem under represented. do u think this will be addresses if and when they tour again? |
deleted user 23.07.2005 15:54 |
I think they had enough songs from the un-toured era. IMO if they had done any more then other good songs from earlier periods would have been overlooked. And it was good to hear some songs that hadn't been performed live before, but I thought that I enjoyed the songs I hadn't even heard before more - SINT, and the PR tracks. |
AmeriQueen 23.07.2005 16:20 |
I can't see them keeping A Kind of Magic for the U.S. tour. I agree, they should look to other songs as well. These come to my mind as potential good PR songs: Liar White Man Doing Alright The Prophet Song Let Me Entertain You Need Your Loving Tonight |
Queen& 23.07.2005 16:27 |
AmeriQueen wrote: I can't see them keeping A Kind of Magic for the U.S. tour. I agree, they should look to other songs as well. These come to my mind as potential good PR songs: Liar White Man Doing Alright The Prophet Song Let Me Entertain You Need Your Loving TonightTheyve gota put just 70's and early 80's in that tour they were not sucessfull 84 onwards in us |
Queen& 23.07.2005 16:31 |
woo hoo wrote:AmeriQueen wrote: I can't see them keeping A Kind of Magic for the U.S. tour. I agree, they should look to other songs as well. These come to my mind as potential good PR songs: Liar White Man Doing Alright The Prophet Song Let Me Entertain You Need Your Loving Tonightwas the any of paul solo stuff on this tour or was it all free bad company Theyve gota put just 70's and early 80's in that tour they were not sucessfull 84 onwards in us |
doremi 23.07.2005 16:40 |
Yeah, but that was then...and this is NOW. and NOW USA Queen fans DO know and love the post 1984 stuff and love Innuendo, AKOM, I Want It All, Headlong, Breakthru, Princes Of The Universe, TSMGO, Heaven For Everyone, The Miracle, One Vision. I want to hear this if they tour the USA as well as the 70's and early 80's stuff. I think most 2005 USA era fans are big enough Queen fans to know and love the whole music catalog, and could care less about what wasn't popular or what didn't get radio airplay after the mid 1980's. That was the USA audience, THEN. NOW....we USA Queen fans know better and want the whole kit and caboodle. Give us more credit for wanting to hear and appreciating everything by Queen. I want them to add more material and mix it up BIG TIME! |
Lord Blackadder 23.07.2005 17:29 |
woo hoo wrote:Don't be silly. They will play whatever you want. They are playing to Queen fans not random fans.AmeriQueen wrote: I can't see them keeping A Kind of Magic for the U.S. tour. I agree, they should look to other songs as well. These come to my mind as potential good PR songs: Liar White Man Doing Alright The Prophet Song Let Me Entertain You Need Your Loving TonightTheyve gota put just 70's and early 80's in that tour they were not sucessfull 84 onwards in us |
bryans permed poodle 15069 23.07.2005 20:26 |
Rodgers Must Go |
Brettles 23.07.2005 20:34 |
Fuck off poodle... Is that all you can say?? If Paul needed to 'fuck off' then they wouldn't have sold out to countless numbers of audiences across Europe so far this tour. You NEED to realise this BPP. Start to form a life for yourself... beyond Freddie (as much as we love him)... and maybe even go to a Q+PR gig... you never know... you might just enjoy it! |
Sharon G. 23.07.2005 23:30 |
Freddie - We love you and really really miss you! |
rmtfictionqueen 23.07.2005 23:45 |
woo hoo wrote:That might be why my radio station won't play anything past Under Pressure.AmeriQueen wrote: I can't see them keeping A Kind of Magic for the U.S. tour. I agree, they should look to other songs as well. These come to my mind as potential good PR songs: Liar White Man Doing Alright The Prophet Song Let Me Entertain You Need Your Loving TonightTheyve gota put just 70's and early 80's in that tour they were not sucessfull 84 onwards in us |
james gaden 2072 24.07.2005 13:50 |
For a US tour, I think if they did drop Queen numbers they'd be far more likely to look to Paul's back catalogue. Bad Company were absolutely huge in the States so I think an inclusion of classic Rodgers anthems like "Ready For Love" or "Shooting Star" would go down a bomb in the States. Those coupled with the Queen hits US fans remember would guarantee a rousing reception. JG |
gazfred 27.07.2005 16:36 |
i understand they have to play the hits but it wud be nice to hear some 89-95 stuff and earlier heavier stuff that would suit paul's voice. even a medley say of liar, great king rat, its late lap of the gods revisited? or other songs in a meedley any suggestions? ps brians permed poodle i didnt start this post to have another pointless endless discussion about paul rodgers. if u dnt like him do the following 1 dont buy the new cd 2 dont go and see them live 3 just listen to queen with freddie and most importantly 4 don ttry and start arguments with people who can listen to queen and accept that its not the same without freddie, but remember thats kinda the point this is different and new and suurely more excitin than waitin for another greatest hits and the anthology. personally i cant wait to hear the show must go on and i want it all with paul, with roger singin radio gaga these are the days and the bo rhap with freddie and paul singin sounds great. if u dont like paul rodgers who cares? |
brENsKi 27.07.2005 17:13 |
gazfred wrote: Would have loved to see innuendo,headlong,the miracle,breakthru, was it all worth it and heaven for everyone and possibly songs from earlier queen albums which seem under represented. do u think this will be addresses if and when they tour again?i think it's got little chance of any FM songs making the US setlist - it'll be more BHM, RT and PR written songs wait n see here's the song-writing from a typical Europe setlist FM - 5 songs BM - 9 RT - 4 JD - 2 PR - 6 |
All I Hear Is Radio Gaga 27.07.2005 20:06 |
I feel a riot about to begin... |
brENsKi 29.07.2005 03:56 |
All I Hear Is Radio Gaga wrote: I feel a riot about to begin...not from me, mate! i don't subscribe to the idiotic 'no queen without fred' lunacy. they have every right to carry on working as Queen - but i think the live output should truly reflect queen's music down the years. i do think BM is trying to expunge FM from the 'live scene' - if at the very least to 'big up' or increase his own 'self-importance' must be terrible for the poor fella that even now, 14 years after FM's demise, he can't be seen as a song-writing equal by most queen fans. let's face it, if you're new to queen and you go to see them live and all you hear is BM tracks - you may just think that you';re hearing their best songs... |
Fenderek 29.07.2005 04:46 |
Did it ever occur to anyone that Brian's songs simply suit Paul's voice the best? They really ROCK on this tour and the reason is- Brian's tracks are riff driven. Riffs, blues- that's what Paul is all about. Now Freddie's tracks are in vast majority piano based. Yeah, sure- Spike could play those parts, but... Wouldn't we complain than that there's too much Freddie there and that they're ripping of his legacy...? Brian's tracks simply suit Rodgers' voice the best. Fat Bottomed Girls or I Want It all were those that on this tour sounded the best. Go figure... And c'mon- Freddie's very much there. Empty stool, dedications to Love Of My Life, BoRhap... I actually thought it was too much... Especially the screen and BoRhap... |
brENsKi 29.07.2005 07:33 |
sorry fenderek, i have to disagree the setlist shows that freddie's presence is being 'written out' of the queen live formula let's face a couple of facts here 1. Freddie wrote almost half of ALL queen songs written. 2. there are stacks of other freddie tracks that paul could sing liar stl lap of the gods (rev) ogre battle melancholy blues born to love you made in heaven all they require is a little reworking or rearrangement...not exactly difficult...just appears laziness and a wish to dispose of some live classics |
Fenderek 29.07.2005 07:54 |
When was it alst time Ogre Battkle was played? How was Born To Love You or Made In Heaven live classics? I was surprised there was nothing from made In Heaven... And I could agree on STL- that would actually really suit Paul's voice! But Liar- I'm not so sure... C'mon- when ppl were saying which songs would REALLY suit Rodgers' style- they were coming up with even more Brian's songs! White Man- Man, he would have really kick ass with atht song! See What A Fool I've Been- we've got the best white blues singer EVER and there's no blues... It's Late- again- PERFECT for Paul... I don't see it this way. In The Lap Of The Gods...? Could have been gfun, I agree- but than we'd complAin they mirror MAGIC tour setlist! I could come up with other Freddie's tracks that would fit BETTER- Get Down Make Love for instance, another PERFECT for Paul... Man- I'm not going to defend this set list. I'd love to hear more stuff from 70s. But I'm affraid majority of those I'd kill to hear are as well Brian's songs... BECAUSE I think they really, REALLY suit Paul... And I really don't acre who wrote them... |
brENsKi 29.07.2005 08:25 |
i didin't use the words 'live classic' when referring to the new songs...i jsut thought they could choose not to be lazy and add some of the later stuff that FM wrote also STL, ITLATG and liar would all work - it's about arrangement...and if they're too lazy well then that just endorses the theory that they are just in it to make more fast bucks...much like the WWRY musical eh? let's face it you get two old established rockstars with f-all to do and an 'alternative comedian' who hates everthing establishment and THATS the formula for making a musical about a rock band? - Queen were everthing Ben Elton kicked against during the 80s and 90s - so why the change of heart? |
Fenderek 29.07.2005 09:23 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: Queen were everthing Ben Elton kicked against during the 80s and 90s - so why the change of heart?Ehm... Money? But taht's not about set list, is it :) OK- I agree with you on MiH tracks- I was surprised they weren't there, I was REALLY surprised there were no more tracks from both MIRACLE and INNUENDO- Those tracks they never had a chance to perform, those would be really welcome.. Man, I'd kill for Breakthru... (and I think it'd suit Paul as well). Laziness? OK- maybe... Come to think of it- they mostly played tracks they already knew by heart... |
yamamamia 29.07.2005 10:01 |
How about this one. Does it really matter who the lead vocalist is? Seems that everybody going to this show is just in for a Bri and Rog sighting. In most of the tracks from the recent shows I've heard, the crowd tends to do the work drowning out PR. In the immortal words of Martha Stewart, "that's a good thing." |
brENsKi 29.07.2005 10:05 |
yamamamia wrote: How about this one. Does it really matter who the lead vocalist is? Seems that everybody going to this show is just in for a Bri and Rog sighting. In most of the tracks from the recent shows I've heard, the crowd tends to do the work drowning out PR. In the immortal words of Martha Stewart, "that's a good thing."well i wouldn't be into going to any gig for "star spotting" - that's a almost laughable notion...you don't pay £50 for a night out - just to look at the band...i'd expect to be enteratined musically and by the lightshow too and yes the vocalist does matter...there's plenty of great singers around who would ruin the image of queen if they'd been singing on this tour |
Fenderek 29.07.2005 10:14 |
yamamamia wrote: How about this one. Does it really matter who the lead vocalist is? Seems that everybody going to this show is just in for a Bri and Rog sighting. In most of the tracks from the recent shows I've heard, the crowd tends to do the work drowning out PR. In the immortal words of Martha Stewart, "that's a good thing."No man- believe me, had they gone on tour with Blobbie Willaims I'd have stayed at home. Vocalist DOES matter- someone has to sing those songs in decent way AND not jump around like fool but have a stage presence. paul did that and even more. I actually must admnit that AFTER this tour I'm a huge fan of Paul's voice- the technique, the power- it's AMAZING. And everybody knows that if he tried to sing Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy he'd ahve failed miserably. So vocalist does matter... Have you been to any of those shows...? |
Serry... 29.07.2005 10:44 |
Fenderek wrote:Sorry, Fenderek, but I doubt in this your statement...yamamamia wrote: How about this one. Does it really matter who the lead vocalist is? Seems that everybody going to this show is just in for a Bri and Rog sighting. In most of the tracks from the recent shows I've heard, the crowd tends to do the work drowning out PR. In the immortal words of Martha Stewart, "that's a good thing."No man- believe me, had they gone on tour with Blobbie Willaims I'd have stayed at home. |
Fenderek 29.07.2005 11:13 |
Serry... wrote:Well- I won't convince you :) But I'm absolutely sure I wouldn't have attended those shows...Fenderek wrote:Sorry, Fenderek, but I doubt in this your statement...yamamamia wrote: How about this one. Does it really matter who the lead vocalist is? Seems that everybody going to this show is just in for a Bri and Rog sighting. In most of the tracks from the recent shows I've heard, the crowd tends to do the work drowning out PR. In the immortal words of Martha Stewart, "that's a good thing."No man- believe me, had they gone on tour with Blobbie Willaims I'd have stayed at home. |
Serry... 29.07.2005 11:57 |
Fenderek wrote: Well- I won't convince you :)Tak, to byloby jest trudny! |
Fenderek 29.07.2005 12:13 |
Serry... wrote:Ehm... Should beFenderek wrote: Well- I won't convince you :)Tak, to byloby jest trudny! Tak, to byloby trudne :) But nice effort :) |
Serry... 29.07.2005 12:19 |
Fenderek wrote:My Polish as well as my English (as well as about 200 other languages) is terrible :) Sorry!Serry... wrote:Ehm... Should be Tak, to byloby trudne :) But nice effort :)Fenderek wrote: Well- I won't convince you :)Tak, to byloby jest trudny! |
doremi 29.07.2005 13:49 |
Serry... wrote:Oy veyizemere! Multilingual you are! :)Fenderek wrote:My Polish as well as my English (as well as about 200 other languages) is terrible :) Sorry!Serry... wrote:Ehm... Should be Tak, to byloby trudne :) But nice effort :)Fenderek wrote: Well- I won't convince you :)Tak, to byloby jest trudny! But can you all get back to English so little mono-lingual (That's a word I made up for poor pitiful people like me who only speak one language), can follow along...and respond. Muchos Gracios! :) (I took 5 years Spanish this is about as much as I know!) Also...NOW that I am starting to actually know and like the music of Robbie I bear umbrage to the use of ''Blobbie'', unless you are referring to my gooey monster friend starring in Steve McQueen's first film ''The Blob''! |
yamamamia 29.07.2005 15:50 |
Nope, haven't been to any of the Q+PR shows. Don't need to. Saw them since Dec.10.1977. Just think that there's a larger percent of people going to see Q, and most going weren't even an idea in life itself when they we're on the scene. I guess I am glad it's not Liza M. at the helm with this one. Nevertheless, the remainig two are my heroes for life. |
bohemian 11513 29.07.2005 15:56 |
yamamamia wrote: Nope, haven't been to any of the Q+PR shows. Don't need to. Saw them since Dec.10.1977. Just think that there's a larger percent of people going to see Q, and most going weren't even an idea in life itself when they we're on the scene. I guess I am glad it's not Liza M. at the helm with this one. Nevertheless, the remainig two are my heroes for life.Liza M. must be Liza Minelli... Q sure must be Queen, right? But you saw them since Dec. 10th 1977 ? Every single day? Every concert since then? Boy... how boring! :-(( :-)))))))))))))))))))))) PS: Isn´t John still alive? Did he die? Say hello to Fred tomorrow or whenever you´ll see him next week! ;-) |
Boy Thomas Raker 29.07.2005 16:07 |
Here is a list of Brian's songs NOT being played on this tour, that quite easily could be: Dead On Time Doing All Right Dragon Attack Dreamer's Ball Fat Bottomed Girls Father To Son Flash Headlong I Can't Live With You I Go Crazy It's Late Keep Yourself Alive Long Away Now I'm Here Put Out The Fire Save Me See What A Fool I've Been Sleeping On The Sidewalk Some Day One Day Son And Daughter Sweet Lady Tear It Up The Hero The Hitman The Prophet's Song White Man White Queen I think there's a helluva lot more omissions here than you'd have for Freddie's stuff. |
Serry... 29.07.2005 16:27 |
BHM 0271 wrote: Here is a list of Brian's songs NOT being played on this tour, that quite easily could be: Dead On Time Doing All Right Dragon Attack Dreamer's Ball Fat Bottomed Girls Father To Son Flash Headlong I Can't Live With You I Go Crazy It's Late Keep Yourself Alive Long Away Now I'm Here Put Out The Fire Save Me See What A Fool I've Been Sleeping On The Sidewalk Some Day One Day Son And Daughter Sweet Lady Tear It Up The Hero The Hitman The Prophet's Song White Man White Queen I think there's a helluva lot more omissions here than you'd have for Freddie's stuff.Long Away has been played on this tour. |
Boy Thomas Raker 29.07.2005 16:48 |
Sorry, overlooked Long Away, and I meant more than a snippet. My point is that a lot of Freddie's stuff, while amazing, is just not suited to the stage. Check my post on the Serious discussion page for my thoughts. |
Serry... 29.07.2005 17:25 |
I've checked and replied already. I'm not an expert or musician, so I'd better listen to what you guys says about if Freddie's tracks would suit or not, but as I wrote - it's unclear for me why 'I Want It All' now officially credites to Brian. But for instance Hijack My Heart or A Winter's Tale (last song written by Freddie, means something, doesn't?) are still 'Queen' tracks... I don't see the point. |
brENsKi 30.07.2005 10:35 |
BHM 0271 wrote: Sorry, overlooked Long Away, and I meant more than a snippet. My point is that a lot of Freddie's stuff, while amazing, is just not suited to the stage. Check my post on the Serious discussion page for my thoughts.and i have to disagree. freddie's songs were perfect for Queen Live i posted somewhere else that from the Opera Tour to The Magic tour Freddie had between 8 and 12 songs on each typical setlist. Now after his departure - the first real queen tour he gets FOUR songs!!! Freddie's songs were suited to the stage - while HE had a say in the matter!!! now the group is heading into the SMILE era again, we'll hear lots and lots of Brian tracks - and that's the facts. |
brENsKi 30.07.2005 10:38 |
for those that didn't see: here's my post from God Save The Queen thread: Posted: 7/28/2005 5:30:21 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sorry but i have to disagree with this...FM's songs are getting pushed further back - until all that will be left will be the one's you can't have a queen concert without - ie BoRhap and WATC - believe me this will happen FM had seven songs on the magic tour (icl co-writes) he now has four here's his totals magic - 7 works - 11 HS -9 game (europe) - 9 crazy - 11 l/killers - 10 jazz - 8 NOTW - 11 races - 12 opera - 10 |
Boy Thomas Raker 30.07.2005 12:20 |
And Brenski, here's my post from the God save the Queen post: "Anybody who thinks that Brian is trying to re-write history or lessen Freddie's accomplishments is on crack. Let's be real. This is a rock show. If you take the Miracle and Innuendo albums as Queen composed songs, then Freddie's last real 'rock' song was Princes of the Universe. It was never played live. So that's AKOM done. The Works? It's a Hard Life, Man on the Prowl and Open Windows. None work. Hot Space? Staying Power is the only song possible, it was played solely for the Hot Space tour and it hardly fits the setlist. The Game? Play the Game is a possibility (not a great one for PR), and they play Crazy. Jazz? Mustapha, Jealousy, Bicycle Race (great song, popular, but ridiculous if sung by anyone but FM), Let me entertain You is a possibility, but only played one tour and hardly a staple, Dont's stop me Now (see Bicycle Race), so no real candidates from Jazz. News has Champions, Get Down Make Love could work, Melancholy Blues couldn't. ADATR would only get STL as an option. ANATO has BR, LOML, and those are the only options. SHA has Killer Queen, don't know if that's PR's cup of tea, Lily of the Valley, Leroy Brown are out, and possibly both Lap songs could be played. On II, apart from SSOR, which is ridiculous for PR to sing lyrically, there's never anything from that album live. And Queen would give us Liar only, which I'd love to see them do. IMHO, there's not a lot of Freddie songs to choose from. They play the hits for the most part, but this tour sticks to more of the straight ahead rock stuff, which was written primarily by Brian. How that makes him re-writing Queen history is a sttrtch to say the least. The reasons Freddie's total decreased each tour is that he and Brian were the primary songwriters up to NOTW when John and Roger got two songs. So after NOTW off the top of my head, the band had 67 songs in their catalogue. Roger had written 7, John 5. Where do you think the majority of songs were going to come from live? And following that, who thinks stuff like Cool Cat, Life is Real, Pain is so... and stuff like that would work live? Uh, uh. That's why Brian's stuff is featured, it always had prominent guitar." |
brENsKi 30.07.2005 12:58 |
but look at the figures - up until his death he EASILy got more songs per set than any other band member HITS/or NOT - it's irrelevant...songs came and went from the set - but Freddie still had the Lion's Share - until NOW, that is!!! - and thta's indesputable |
doremi 30.07.2005 13:00 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: for those that didn't see: here's my post from God Save The Queen thread: Posted: 7/28/2005 5:30:21 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sorry but i have to disagree with this...FM's songs are getting pushed further back - until all that will be left will be the one's you can't have a queen concert without - ie BoRhap and WATC - believe me this will happen FM had seven songs on the magic tour (icl co-writes) he now has four here's his totals magic - 7 works - 11 HS -9 game (europe) - 9 crazy - 11 l/killers - 10 jazz - 8 NOTW - 11 races - 12 opera - 10Martin, I saw your post in that thread. Did you see mine? |
Boy Thomas Raker 30.07.2005 13:17 |
You're missing the point Brenski. It's Queen AND Paul Rodgers on tour. Maybe you could see PR singing Bicycle Race or Killer Queen. Those are two popular Fred songs that aren't being played. I think that PR would sound ridiculous singing songs like that, and a great number of others from Fred's catalogue. In fact, I think it speaks to the uniqueness of Freddie that they're not playing a lot of those songs. Paul Rodgers is a wonderful blues/rock singer. Brian wrote a lot in that vein. Freddie didn't. From what I understand, Paul has trouble with the subtleties of IWTBF in concert. Imagine him trying to sing Killer Queen or Bicycle Race. It'd be a disaster. The fact remains, Fred's 'rock' output was in short supply from Jazz on. If you feel that Brian is trying to pull some revisionist history because of the songs and style of songs played on this tour, you're grasping at straws, but entitled to your opinion. |
brENsKi 30.07.2005 14:45 |
Arlene R. Weiss wrote:Arlene, i agree. my whole point was around Brian's need to cash in on queen. and what better way for BHM to make more money, than by removing the 'great and the good' from the setlist<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:Martin, I saw your post in that thread. Did you see mine? i smell a RS-shaped rat!!! whatever next? Queen Tour 2006 - Sponsored by CROWN Paint & ROYAL bank of Scotland? |
brENsKi 30.07.2005 14:50 |
BHM 0271 wrote: You're missing the point Brenski. It's Queen AND Paul Rodgers on tour. .I didn't miss the point at all. But in case you missed my point here's soemthings i noticed 1. there were FOUR writers in queen, now with PR that makes FIVE. A typical setlist is between 20-25 songs in length. 2. Divide the setlist into five songs each writer, there's easily enough by each writer to suit the PR vocals 3. Brian gets more than a third of the new setlist....sounds like money-grabbing to me 4. finally, your 'nick' BHM 0271 - wonder who you named that after? not as if you'd defend Brian's corner unduly with a 'nick' like that now, is it? |
gazfred 30.07.2005 15:43 |
can i jus ask why neccersarily does paul have to sing all the songs? bri and roger sing some anyway why not killer queen ssor liar? a song that does seem to be overlooked is march of the black queen, why not have roger singin the high 'silly' beginning brian the soft ballad part and paul singin the heavy rock bit. i realise this is very unlikely as queen never played it in its entirety but i think that it would be intresting to hear. and having not seen any of the tour(being a student doesnt pay well!) i dont know how many john songs r played does any one know? |
Bobby_brown 30.07.2005 15:52 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:I understand your point, but try thinking like Brian. Frddie's songs are very melodic and beatifull but are not very fun to play.BHM 0271 wrote: You're missing the point Brenski. It's Queen AND Paul Rodgers on tour. .I didn't miss the point at all. But in case you missed my point here's soemthings i noticed 1. there were FOUR writers in queen, now with PR that makes FIVE. A typical setlist is between 20-25 songs in length. 2. Divide the setlist into five songs each writer, there's easily enough by each writer to suit the PR vocals 3. Brian gets more than a third of the new setlist....sounds like money-grabbing to me 4. finally, your 'nick' BHM 0271 - wonder who you named that after? not as if you'd defend Brian's corner unduly with a 'nick' like that now, is it? As a guitar player myself i enjoy playng TYMD and others, and apart from Ogre Battle, i never EVER play Freddie's songs even though they're my favourites ones. Killer Queen is a tremendous work by Freddie, and for me it's the most beautifull melody, harmony, you name it, in modern rock history!! Now, try play that song with a band and you'll see what i mean! I think Brian is more into pure Rock just because it's more fun to play, and i think he's right. I mean, we all enjoy Lilly of the Valley, but they already have Love of My Life in the set. The thing is, i don't think that they are putting Freddie's songs aside on purpose. It happens that the other 3 wrote more simpler songs, more enjoyable in a live set. And Paul's songs are great too. Before you accused me, let me explain what i'm saying: I love Somebody to Love, but the best live version i saw of that song was at the Tribute concert, because of all the production on stage. Just the four of them singuing that song live, it was OK but never matched the original (i know you guys are going to say the names of some of the bootlegs that cointains a STL version very close to the original, but i keep what i said). They are now in their fifties, and it was hard enough for them to learn Fat bottom girls, and unless they hire some good backing singuers, i think that the most complex songs are not going to be played. Take care |
doremi 30.07.2005 15:55 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:Martin, whatever people say about ''conspiracy theories'' is utter bullshit. Facts are facts.Arlene R. Weiss wrote:Arlene, i agree. my whole point was around Brian's need to cash in on queen. and what better way for BHM to make more money, than by removing the 'great and the good' from the setlist i smell a RS-shaped rat!!! whatever next? Queen Tour 2006 - Sponsored by CROWN Paint & ROYAL bank of Scotland?<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:Martin, I saw your post in that thread. Did you see mine? While I do agree what BHM 0271 said about Paul Rodgers voice being more ''suited'' to sing Brian's songs rather than a lot of Freddie's...well then.. Tough Shit on Paul... ..Because the whole point still of a Queen tour after 19 years, is to pay homage to and cover the vast creative scope of FOUR creative songwriting members of Queen..FREDDIE included. Brian knew that when considering even doing this tour. If Paul's vocal abilities are NOT capable of singing Freddie's songs...then that is just tough SHIT on Brian and then he should NOT have chosen Paul after all (if this is the case as BHM 0271's points out and I do NOT know if it is in fact the case..just making my point on that...that that should be IRRELEVANT!) So...whether this has to do with paul not being able to sing Freddie's songs... Or...just plain greed on Brian's part... Either way...Freddie's role is vastly diminished to a worldwide concert audience that will probably see Queen on tour for the very last time..and take ... ..very impressionably..what they see and hear...as the gospel..and Freddie..will fade into less and less importance..in his vital and essential and legendary role as one of (and in my opinion....THE great songwriter..of Queen..even if he did write less after 1986...) P.S. Yes, some of Freddie's earlier 70's tunes SHOULD have been included whether melodic or rockers but all this shit about how the current context of Brian, Roger, Paul, Jamie, Spike, yada not being up to a song like... Somebody to Love...to NOT include that classic on what will most assuredly be the last ever global tour of Queen..is criminal. (as well as Killer Queen) All this then should heve been thought out and planned and EXCUSE me but that point someone brought up about well Queen would have had to bring back up singers... ..and your point? So bring backup singers and don't do the tour HALF ASS, but FULL ON. Most every concert by every damn artist I've ever seen in concert from Eric Clapton to Phil Collins to even Lynyrd Skynyrd (the new crappy lineup at that) STILL coughed up the money and had the professionalism to have BACK UP singers... ...if needed. What this all boils down to are EXCUSES and RATIONALIZING. Like I said..if you go on tour do NOT do it half planned and half ass..do it well planned, well thought out, well prepared amd FULL ON. Then... there would be NO problems doing any of Freddie's songs..end of story,.. ...of course now we have a NEW story..which is Queen as revised and rewritten by Brian. |
brENsKi 30.07.2005 17:42 |
thankyou Arlene, finally a voice of reason. Someone else around here not so far up Brian's Arse that they can't see the truth. As i said from the beginning:- 1. Freddie's songs have been part of the stage act for ALL of Queen's touring life - why rid us of them now? 2. Brian said that 'something felt right' about Paul. well i don't agree. Queen have EVERY right to tour/record/or write as Queen, despite Freddie's demise. But they don't have a fucking right to diminish his importance or his memory - for whatever reason that may be!!! 3. Arlene - you are spot-on (again) if Paul ain't up to the job of singing Freddie songs - then GET SOME FUCKER WHO IS - there are plenty of great singers out there....if not have two or three guest singers....but don't do a Brian May/Free/bad Co show...that ain't fucking Queen!!! sorry people - i saw them live five times, (okay so i'm privileged) but Queen can still do a job - but not if a fair cross-section of Queen songs don't get performed...this is 'going through the motions' in the saddest, most pathetic, 'take the money and run' attitude. and depsite what most say about comspiracies - it's fucking strange that BH May is gaining the most fromthe WWRY and Current Tour setlists....very fucking odd |
Boy Thomas Raker 31.07.2005 00:31 |
Wow, I must say that between you and Arlene, Brenski, you've certainly got Brian and his merry band of X-Files men figured out. All I can say is that calling Arlene the "voice of reason" is like calling Johnny Knoxville "the expert about the Red Special." Arlene may be a lovely person, seems very passionate, but she has taken great leaps of liberty in the past on certain matters. That's fine, but for her to suggest that PR should sing songs out of his element are foolish. Maybe he can't sing songs about high class call girls and buff men on bikes and feel good about it. It doesn't diminish Freddie's legacy at all. Freddie Mercury, IMHO, was the most talented person EVER in the world of rock and roll. As I'v posted elsewhere, he wrote what was ARGUALBLY the greatest song of all time. He was ARGUABLY the best singer of all time. He was ARGUABLY the greatest frontman of all time, and he ARGUABLY was responsible for Queen stealing the show at Live Aid, the biggest concert in the history of music since Woodstock. So I ain't anti-Freddie. I'm anti people who don't realize Freddie wrote and played a lot of stuff in unusual for rock keys, and had a unique way of phrasing and singing. PR is probably not comfortable with that. He is meat and potatoes, and so is this tour setlist. Freddie was caviar and truffles. Two different worlds, and for the 80th time, there may be 3 songs they should be doing of Fred's that they're not. There's a ton more of Brian's (It's Late, Now I'm Here, White Queen, Dragon Attack) that'd be better suited to PR's voice, so get over it. And BHM 0271 is my guitar serial number, doesn't make me a Brian or Freddie man, and I'm on the record as saying QP (which includes Brian) are money grubbers of the first division who'd rather rehash old glories forever than put out quality product. Go find another flimsy reason to defend your ludicrous position. |
Serry... 31.07.2005 03:20 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: if Paul ain't up to the job of singing Freddie songs - then GET SOME FUCKER WHO IS - there are plenty of great singers out there....if not have two or three guest singers....Agree! If you asked him to sing Queen songs, but he can't then find someone else! He's a great singer, but if his voice doesn't suited to most of the Queen songs (okay, to Freddie's, they need to use Freddie voice in Bo Rhap even), well... (They even performes one Brian's solo song on this tour, though for instance no any Roger's solo songs on the tour neither on GH III) |
brENsKi 31.07.2005 04:53 |
Serry... wrote:exactly1!!! Brian...brian...brian....brian's songs (his queen songs) his solo songs...w-t-f?<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: if Paul ain't up to the job of singing Freddie songs - then GET SOME FUCKER WHO IS - there are plenty of great singers out there....if not have two or three guest singers....Agree! If you asked him to sing Queen songs, but he can't then find someone else! He's a great singer, but if his voice doesn't suited to most of the Queen songs (okay, to Freddie's, they need to use Freddie voice in Bo Rhap even), well... (They even performes one Brian's solo song on this tour, though for instance no any Roger's solo songs on the tour neither on GH III) as i said before get a singer who can habdle the high-end stuff...or get TWO lead-vocalists -who cares so long as it's done right there's a huge difference between 'doing queen' and 'doing queen right' i've heard stuff from this tour - and quite frankly - that's the reason i don't want to get anymore of the 2005 bootlegs.... Paul's vocals may be solid blues/rock - but tHAT ain't queen - the singing is completely wrong.....and sounds way out i still come back to my original argument - if they can do Brian songs and re-arrange them to suit Paul's voice - then they can do the same for freddie's songs...but they won't - because Brain wants HIS material in the set |
Serry... 31.07.2005 05:30 |
And about if the song suited to someone's voice or not - though I'm not an expert as I wrote - but Roger himself sung everything he wanted to sing on his solo concerts - I Want To Break Free, The Show Must Go On, We Will Rock You, Lennon's and Hendrix songs etc. etc. etc. and I'm not sure that fans were disappointed! So, it's not a problem to re-arrange song for making it suited to someone's voice, IMHO. |
7Innuendo7 31.07.2005 08:00 |
this list is totally a wish list of songs not on the European set list: Keep Yourself Alive Fight From the Inside Play the Game I Go Crazy One Vision Scandal Innuendo Headlong Let's Get It on With Sideburns (Paul/vocals) Mrs Robinson (Simon & Garfunkel cover) BPP, did you see Hollywood Walk of Fame show in October 2002 in LA? Brian, Rog, Spike, & crew? We were completely blown away. Is there more in a name than in a song? |
Bobby_brown 31.07.2005 09:56 |
You guys should write for the X-Files! Really, i think you're great in finding theories about nothing!!! They already play 30 songs in a show, and to be honest they do it very well. They don't play your favorites, though shit!! This setlist is waaay better than the Magic tour one... all you do is complain... a year ago you complain about they're not touring agin... Then it was Paul Rodger... now, this crap theory that puts Brian May as an evil greedy bastard... And, if there's a person that don't deserves this kind of behaviour from the fans is Brian or any Queen member. Stop acting like you're Freddies older brothers and sisters. Brian is doing a hell of a job, and to be honest i don't miss that much Killer Queen, or STL. I would love to hear them, but it's good as it is, so stop this crap... Take care |
brENsKi 31.07.2005 10:04 |
Bobby_brown wrote: You guys should write for the X-Files! Really, i think you're great in finding theories about nothing!!! This setlist is waaay better than the Magic tour one... all you do is complain... a year ago you complain about they're not touring agin... Then it was Paul Rodger... now, this crap theory that puts Brian May as an evil greedy bastard... Take careget real. i've never slagged them for touring/not touring i've never slagged them for Paul rodgers...i defended their right to choose him on this board, until i saw the setlist it's got fuck all to do with 'my favourites' it's about queen setlists....Brian is a greedy b*****d - hence the amount of hIS tracks in WWRY, the latest setlist, and wait n see how many adverts HIS songs appear in i'm telling you Brian May is not about QUEEN this time - he's about Brian May's retirement Fund!!! |
Serry... 31.07.2005 10:17 |
Who said about 'our fave tracks are not in the list'? All Queen tracks are my fave ones - from Arboria to The Show Must Go On. We said about Freddie's tracks which are not in the list. Some of fans, guys, want to hear real hard rock songs - and yes, most of them were written by Brian, but some other guys want to hear classic Queen songs (most of the stuff what you can label as 'classic' was written by Freddie, and no matter if you miss or not about Killer Queen, but it was first Queen super-hit) too! Not only Brian's hard rock numbers. This is not about Paul Rodgers, this is not about what the set list must be in my opinion, this is not about if they played good or bad, you still don't get the point... Just read my reply about 'I Want It All' (STUDIO version) and 'Mother Love'. And, Bobby, then you're saying "you complain about this, you complain about that" - please name persons who do you mean by this "you". |
Bobby_brown 31.07.2005 10:43 |
Serry... wrote: Who said about 'our fave tracks are not in the list'? All Queen tracks are my fave ones - from Arboria to The Show Must Go On. We said about Freddie's tracks which are not in the list. Some of fans, guys, want to hear real hard rock songs - and yes, most of them were written by Brian, but some other guys want to hear classic Queen songs (most of the stuff what you can label as 'classic' was written by Freddie, and no matter if you miss or not about Killer Queen, but it was first Queen super-hit) too! Not only Brian's hard rock numbers. This is not about Paul Rodgers, this is not about what the set list must be in my opinion, this is not about if they played good or bad, you still don't get the point... Just read my reply about 'I Want It All' and 'Mother Love' (STUDIO version). And, Bobby, then you're saying "you complain about this, you complain about that" - please name who do you mean by this "you".When i mean "you" i speack to all of you in general, not a particular one. I really don't see the point of this discussion. Killer Queen- even with Freddie they didn't play the song in it's entirely form, and then they droped it for the eighties tour, so it´s not just Brian's opinion about this song being performed live. It´s a beautifull music, but it requires a great amount of concentration, because you just can't improvise on that one. Somebody To Love- It was droped for the Magic tour, so... The point is, they would never please everyone, because they have too many great songs to choose from. This is more a rock'n Roll band, and i think it's great!! And by the way, this is all about Paul Rodgers, go read the other posters opinions. You guys just don't miss an oportunity to bring this subject. Do you want my opinion? Here it goes: I DOUBT that Freddie could do better at the age of 55 years old. You are comparing a 55 year old with a 40 year old person (freddie on his last tour). To be honest i doubt that, if Freddie was alive, that he could sing his earlier songs. And i don't see the point of this topic!! TAke care |
Bobby_brown 31.07.2005 10:47 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:And wat's your problem about that, he deserves every single penny of it!Bobby_brown wrote: You guys should write for the X-Files! Really, i think you're great in finding theories about nothing!!! This setlist is waaay better than the Magic tour one... all you do is complain... a year ago you complain about they're not touring agin... Then it was Paul Rodger... now, this crap theory that puts Brian May as an evil greedy bastard... Take careget real. i've never slagged them for touring/not touring i've never slagged them for Paul rodgers...i defended their right to choose him on this board, until i saw the setlist it's got fuck all to do with 'my favourites' it's about queen setlists....Brian is a greedy b*****d - hence the amount of hIS tracks in WWRY, the latest setlist, and wait n see how many adverts HIS songs appear in i'm telling you Brian May is not about QUEEN this time - he's about Brian May's retirement Fund!!! John is siting at home watching his bank acount grow, and doing nothing for it. And if Brian his getting more from WWRY, he's the one who works more too, so... Take care |
brENsKi 31.07.2005 11:24 |
Bobby_brown wrote: And wat's your problem about that, he deserves every single penny of it! John is siting at home watching his bank acount grow, and doing nothing for it. And if Brian his getting more from WWRY, he's the one who works more too, so... Take carei'll tell you what the f**king problem is. The Company is called QUEEN PRODUCTIONS LTD not BRIAN MAY PLC, so HE should be looking ou for the interests of ALL COMPANY DIRECTORS - NOT JUST HIMESLF. Work it out. BHM track live = performing royalties for 'queen lineup' performing gig = song-writing royalties for composer so BHM is getting a much larger slice of the pie. And to those who say 'well, freddie's songs were to intricate to perform live' 1. freddie did them 2. freddie got royalties for them 3. paul Rogers could sing other freddie songs and if you still dispute the 'BHM is on the make for BHM' theory...answer me this.... why are there so little songs from the last three albums? - it' ain't the 'intricacy of the songs freddie composed' theory, because there's plenty freddie wrote on those last three cds that paul could do. i'll tell you why...it's because the song-writing credits were all credited equally to 'queen' so BHM would have to split the song-royalties four ways if they were performed live it's fairly simple maths |
Bobby_brown 31.07.2005 14:48 |
Brenski wrote:
why are there so little songs from the last three albums? - it' ain't the 'intricacy of the songs freddie composed' theory, because there's plenty freddie wrote on those last three cds that paul could do.
i'll tell you why...it's because the song-writing credits were all credited equally to 'queen'
so BHM would have to split the song-royalties four ways if they were performed live
it's fairly simple maths
Of course it's that, and the greedy bastard doesn't want to share, does he? Suddenly, Brian as change from the most nice person in rock to a greedy bastard! Poor Roger Taylor, i bet he doesn't have a word to say about that!! When people go on tour they have contracts stipulating what every musician is earning. I doubt that Brian is making more money out of this tour than Roger or even Paul Rodgers, DOUBT IT!! But, assuming you're right that means that in the past Brian and Freddie were been paying more for a tour than Roger and John!!- So, now you have two big greedy bastards on Queen. Probably that's what Freddie meant to say when he said that Queen were four individuals with the same importance on the band. No one was more important than others! Let me guive you an advice for your life: -Don't judge people this way, because you now nothing, you are just assuming things. Based on what?- Probably based on your own behaviour (see, i'm judging yourself the way you do with Brian, and it's not pleasant, is it?) -Be carefull you those maths!! Take care |
Bobby_brown 31.07.2005 14:49 |
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Serry... 31.07.2005 15:05 |
At least Brenski says facts, while you - only your own emotions. |
brENsKi 31.07.2005 15:15 |
Bobby_brown wrote: Of course it's that, and the greedy bastard doesn't want to share, does he? Suddenly, Brian as change from the most nice person in rock to a greedy bastard! When people go on tour they have contracts stipulating what every musician is earning. I doubt that Brian is making more money out of this tour than Roger or even Paul Rodgers, DOUBT IT!! Let me guive you an advice for your life: -Don't judge people this way, because you now nothing, you are just assuming things. Based on what?- Probably based on your own behaviour (see, i'm judging yourself the way you do with Brian, and it's not pleasant, is it?) -Be carefull you those maths!! Take care1. check your facts before you attack mine!!! every gig all over the planet - where the audience has to pay is treated the same. songs performed have to pay royalties to the songwriter...(or his estate if he's dead) 2. you have no idea what my standards are... but i'll tell you this much, i don't lie and i don't make things up...i have (as serry says) backed my arguments with FACTS!!!! you have suppostion, insult and berated me to lessen my argument - i have not insulted YOU at all.... 3. try and discuss things like an adult!!! and don't f***ing patronize me - i haven't done it to you 4. finally, when you are faced with indesputable facts (and figures) don't resort to personal attack....either bow out with dignity or present a genuine counter argument |
Bobby_brown 31.07.2005 15:28 |
Serry... wrote: At least Brenski says facts, while you - only your own emotions.Of course he says facts. He can read people's minds so he knows exactly what Brian is thinking! Guive me a breack... What guives you the right to say those things about someone who you don´t even know? What facts do you have, to say that shit about Brian? You should be ashamed of yourselves. For me, this kind of "maths" only shows what kind of people you are, becaused you don´t have the right to say that about a person (Whether it's Brian or not). This is far beyond the limits of expressing an opinion, this is simply the most disgusting thing i've ever read at queenzone. If i could, i would ban you from this site! And what makes me laugh is people of your age acting like little kids. Brenski doesn't need someone to defend himself, but i'm still reading your post and it's the most shitty defence I´ve ever seen! Please, next time you answer (i know you will), at least try to think about what you're writing, ok? Take care |
brENsKi 31.07.2005 15:38 |
Bobby_brown wrote:i have the right to make observations...and mine are made from facts and figuresSerry... wrote: At least Brenski says facts, while you - only your own emotions.Of course he says facts. He can read people's minds so he knows exactly what Brian is thinking! Guive me a breack... What guives you the right to say those things about someone who you don´t even know? What facts do you have, to say that shit about Brian? You should be ashamed of yourselves. For me, this kind of "maths" only shows what kind of people you are, becaused you don´t have the right to say that about a person (Whether it's Brian or not). This is far beyond the limits of expressing an opinion, this is simply the most disgusting thing i've ever read at queenzone. If i could, i would ban you from this site! Take care i haven't said anything about a person - other than 'freddie' - he is being removed from the queen live set 'most disgusting thing you;ve ever read' - f**k off, grow up...if you don't come back with reasoned argument then it shows how 'lacking' you are in intelligence if all you can do is insult and appeal to the 'lily-livered' and the 'meek-minded' by hyping things up with your 'most disgusting thing....' comment...you can't have been around long if that was the 'most disgusting' and i would hate for your 'fragile disposition' to be so affected - so why don't YOU clear off???? - you're the only one complaining...which says a lot about you!!! |
Bobby_brown 31.07.2005 15:43 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:You're right about the royalties, i thought you're talking about other thing.Bobby_brown wrote: Of course it's that, and the greedy bastard doesn't want to share, does he? Suddenly, Brian as change from the most nice person in rock to a greedy bastard! When people go on tour they have contracts stipulating what every musician is earning. I doubt that Brian is making more money out of this tour than Roger or even Paul Rodgers, DOUBT IT!! Let me guive you an advice for your life: -Don't judge people this way, because you now nothing, you are just assuming things. Based on what?- Probably based on your own behaviour (see, i'm judging yourself the way you do with Brian, and it's not pleasant, is it?) -Be carefull you those maths!! Take care1. check your facts before you attack mine!!! every gig all over the planet - where the audience has to pay is treated the same. songs performed have to pay royalties to the songwriter...(or his estate if he's dead) 2. you have no idea what my standards are... but i'll tell you this much, i don't lie and i don't make things up...i have (as serry says) backed my arguments with FACTS!!!! you have suppostion, insult and berated me to lessen my argument - i have not insulted YOU at all.... 3. try and discuss things like an adult!!! and don't f***ing patronize me - i haven't done it to you 4. finally, when you are faced with indesputable facts (and figures) don't resort to personal attack....either bow out with dignity or present a genuine counter argument When you say that i don't have any idea what your standards are, i assume you have all the idea about Brian's standards. You felt offended about my words? And the things about Brian? Aren't them offensive for him too? Let me tell you something: The facts you presented here are no facts at all, if you're trying to put Brian's name on toilet. Those facts only represent your point of view, doesn't prove anything. If you've already read other topics of mine, you'll realise that i'm very low profile and never ofend anyone, never! But, please let be serious, ok? Take care |
Bobby_brown 31.07.2005 15:49 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:What type of argument can i have to proove that Brian's not thinking about the royalties in the way you say he is?Bobby_brown wrote:i have the right to make observations...and mine are made from facts and figures i haven't said anything about a person - other than 'freddie' - he is being removed from the queen live set 'most disgusting thing you;ve ever read' - f**k off, grow up...if you don't come back with reasoned argument then it shows how 'lacking' you are in intelligence if all you can do is insult and appeal to the 'lily-livered' and the 'meek-minded' by hyping things up with your 'most disgusting thing....' comment...you can't have been around long if that was the 'most disgusting' and i would hate for your 'fragile disposition' to be so affected - so why don't YOU clear off???? - you're the only one complaining...which says a lot about you!!!Serry... wrote: At least Brenski says facts, while you - only your own emotions.Of course he says facts. He can read people's minds so he knows exactly what Brian is thinking! Guive me a breack... What guives you the right to say those things about someone who you don´t even know? What facts do you have, to say that shit about Brian? You should be ashamed of yourselves. For me, this kind of "maths" only shows what kind of people you are, becaused you don´t have the right to say that about a person (Whether it's Brian or not). This is far beyond the limits of expressing an opinion, this is simply the most disgusting thing i've ever read at queenzone. If i could, i would ban you from this site! Take care What would be good for you? I don't need to argument, because this is ridiculous, let's move on, ok? Peace, Take care |
brENsKi 31.07.2005 15:52 |
when you said: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 'For me, this kind of "maths" only shows what kind of people you are, becaused you don´t have the right to say that about a person (Whether it's Brian or not). This is far beyond the limits of expressing an opinion, this is simply the most disgusting thing i've ever read at queenzone.' +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ there's only oNE reply - we are thinking none-arse-licking-none-sychophantic people who don't think EVERY single move QUEEN make is fucking perfect!!!! some of us don't like HS, soome of us don't like WWRYMusical, some of us disagreed with the Sun City Tour, some of us also think this tour's setlist is a cop-out!!!! but hey, nice climbdown. shame you couldn't have doneso a hour ago - the end result was STILL the same i quoted facts - you threw insults but thanks for finally, accepting you have no argument |
Bobby_brown 31.07.2005 16:03 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: nice climbdown. shame you couldn't have doneso a hour ago - the end result was STILL the same i quoted facts - you threw insults but thanks for finally, accepting you have no argumentIt's a shame that you think I´ve throwned insults on you, and you've quoted facts about Brian's behaviour! One thing you're right, i don't have any arguments. The best argument i have is, i don't know Brian personally and neither do you, but if you think you can judge him, go ahead. Take your facts and do your maths, if that makes you happy! Take care |
brENsKi 31.07.2005 17:46 |
Bobby_brown wrote: You're right about the royalties, i thought you're talking about other thing. Take carethen i think YOU should learn to read. i have NOT changed my viewpoint OR what i've stated formthe off. as far as i've said this has ALWAYS been about royalties...why don't YOU check back and see what i've posted? then YOU WILL see!!! then YOU can apologise....at least i have maintained a consistent and sound argument - your's has gone all over the place in search of any plausible link to try and discredit me...why waste your time....why didn't you just simply read what was said without having to 'assum' hidden agendas? i've said form the start this was ALL ABOUT royalties - feel free to retract/apologise/accept you are wrong.... (oh and btw - thanks serry and arlene - for at least stopping me thinking i was going mad/incapable of reading) |
Boy Thomas Raker 31.07.2005 23:26 |
Serry and Brenski, your 'facts', other than the decreasing number of Freddie songs per tour, are a joke. Here's a fact. Brenski said: "I do think BM is trying to expunge FM from the 'live scene' - if at the very least to 'big up' or increase his own 'self-importance' must be terrible for the poor fella that even now, 14 years after FM's demise, he can't be seen as a song-writing equal by most queen fans." Dudes, with all due respect, Freddie's writing was fairly brutal, bordering on embarrassing almost from The Game until Innuendo. Brian is, IMHO, a far more consistent writer over Queen's career than Freddie was. So given the 'fact' that very little material on this tour is from the early albums, and given the fact that the material is guitar heavy (a Brian trademark, what a surprise!), which of the lovely 1980 and on Freddie tunes would you like to see added to the set? Play the Game Don't try Suicide Staying Power Body Language Life is Real Cool Cat Man on the Prowl It's a hard life Keep passing the open windows Pain is so close to pleasure Friends will be friends Of course we could add Delilah or Slightly Mad from Innuendo, which we know are Fred songs. Of the Fred songs of the last 25 years, I'd say Princes of the Universe and maybe Play the Game are candidates to make the cut. The others save for Staying Power are not FM's finest hour, and hardly suitable for live stuff. I think you two are confused by what you're upset about. I think you're pissed that Paul Rodgers isn't Freddie Mercury and can't sing a lot of his songs. I think Paul Rodgers may have had some input into the setlist (then again, you guys seem to have insider information that I don't, and probably know that Paul secretly wanted to sing brian's songs "to increase his self-importance") and picked the songs that HE felt comfortable doing. That's not a fact, just my opinion. However, it's a fact that this set is guitar heavy, and after NOTW, Freddie went into a poppier direction, Brian was the rock conscience of Queen, and this isn't a pop show. It's also a fact that Brenski's statement above is justified solely by numbers of songs per set, as if tht's the ultimate criteria. If that's all it takes to make something fact, there'd be notice board here because we'd all be right if we had one original idea, pointless or not. |
Serry... 01.08.2005 06:20 |
Bobby_brown wrote: If i could, i would ban you from this site!Ask Richard or Barbara or make a thread with petition to ban me (if you'd get enough signs there - I'll leave this board, maybe this helps link ), come to Russia find and kill me, say that you don't understand my English. Go ahead! Be a man in your age - do something besides words! And what kind of shit I've said about Brian? Give me my quotes with shit about Brian. If you won't do it - then you are just another pathetic liar! |
Serry... 01.08.2005 06:24 |
BHM 0271 wrote: Serry and Brenski, your 'facts', other than the decreasing number of Freddie songs per tour, are a joke. Here's a fact.Okay. Again. Please, explain me - why I Want It All now credites to Brian while Hijack My Heart to Queen? And other thing - why Mother Love credites to Brian and Freddie, but not to Queen (if you read Brian's answer to me on this question - on my site - then you probably read that it was his last collaboration with Freddie and it means something for him, that's why it's not a 'Queen' written song), though Freddie's last written song (means something too, doesn't?) - A Winter's Tale - credites to Queen. Simple and polite questions. Not about the tour. Not about Paul. This is about royalties as Brenski said. This is not about music, not about Brian's character, but about business. Just business! |
brENsKi 01.08.2005 07:31 |
thank you Serry. sad though that SOME people can't understand simple facts like YOURS and MINE. as we've maintained ALL ALONG - this latest queen thing is not about THE FANS and it's not about QUEEN it's about money Brian may has done a lot for queen , granted - but since Freddie's demise he's done a fucking darn sight more for BRIAN MAY'S BANK BALANCE by use of the QUEEN name and some interesting redeployment of song-writing credits ...which is what i've maintained all the way through this...i don't care whether it's because Brian May is a barefaced liar or if it's just lucky the way the royalties are working out - whichever way the truth is - it still works out to Brian May's benefit...he's NOW making the lion's share....financially!!! Oh - and as both Arlene and myself said earlier....The tour should have a setlist that's reflective of what QUEEN WOULD PLAY LIVE - but it ain't....and if oNE OF THE REASONS...is because PR can't sing freddie's songs - then get some f**ker who can sing them!!!! |
Serry... 01.08.2005 07:51 |
...and one more fact: do you guys remember how Brian was unhappy that Roger has got loads of money for I'm In Love With My Car what was B-side to Freddie's Bo Rhap?! It was mentioned in some interviews, it's not my night dream. Just business, nothing personal. And I'm a not anti-Brian maniac! Brian is only one from Queen who I've been priviliged to talk with and I admired of this man, but he's a human. And yes, this is theory, maybe I'm wrong and maybe I'm really need to be banned for having this theory as Bobby requested. But as Isaac Newton said: Amicus Plato amicus Aristoteles magis amica veritas ("Plato is my friend, Aristotle is my friend, but my best friend is truth"). |
Bobby_brown 01.08.2005 09:21 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:I've read all your posts. When i say you're right about royalties, i thought you were talking about other things, i'm not saying you're right about what you've said about Brian's behaviour. I thought you were talking about the performance money (and in this case they're been payed equally), and that doesn't invaluate what i said. Because, as you know,the royalties money from a concert are so insignificant, compared to what this guys are earning for performing, that i think it's silly to even bring that subject on!Bobby_brown wrote: You're right about the royalties, i thought you're talking about other thing. Take carethen i think YOU should learn to read. i have NOT changed my viewpoint OR what i've stated formthe off. as far as i've said this has ALWAYS been about royalties...why don't YOU check back and see what i've posted? then YOU WILL see!!! then YOU can apologise....at least i have maintained a consistent and sound argument - your's has gone all over the place in search of any plausible link to try and discredit me...why waste your time....why didn't you just simply read what was said without having to 'assum' hidden agendas? i've said form the start this was ALL ABOUT royalties - feel free to retract/apologise/accept you are wrong.... (oh and btw - thanks serry and arlene - for at least stopping me thinking i was going mad/incapable of reading) As for apologies, i don't need to apologise you because i've never offended you, and i will never will, because that's not the way i am. In a previous post, i said what i said about you besed on what you're writing about Brian, just to point out that it's not a pleasant thing to do. And you feel offended by me, but you continue to say what you want about Brian without thinking that you are offendind Brian's good name! It's not because some people agree with you, that you prove anything. As i said before, your facts are no facts at all, if you want to proove your point against Brian. And i believe i'm not the only one thinking like this. You have a right to an opinion, but this is far beyond an opinion because it's a person good name that's on the table. Take care |
Bobby_brown 01.08.2005 09:34 |
Serry... wrote:Cool down, man. I don't wish your dead, I hope you'll live a great live!!Bobby_brown wrote: If i could, i would ban you from this site!Ask Richard or Barbara or make a thread with petition to ban me (if you'd get enough signs there - I'll leave this board, maybe this helps link ), come to Russia find and kill me, say that you don't understand my English. Go ahead! Be a man in your age - do something besides words! And what kind of shit I've said about Brian? Give me my quotes with shit about Brian. If you won't do it - then you are just another pathetic liar! I don't need violence to proove i´m a man and neither do you. When you ask me about quotes from you with shit about Brian, you must be kidding, right? In a previous post you said that at least Brensky have FACTS, while me- my emotions. When you say something like this, you're assuming Brenski point of view, and your posts prove that you agree with that theory. Well, if that isn't a theory with shit about Brian, the i'm sorry. And probably, i'm wrong and you don't aproove what Brenski says about Brian because you don't say shit about him. Wich one is it,, then? Take care |
Serry... 01.08.2005 09:45 |
Yes I agree with Brenski on this theory. But I'm not agree with him about his opinion about HS. So what? We all need to have same opinions and believe in same things and theories? But have I ever said something rude about Brian? What kind of 'shit' I've put him in? He wants money, so do I! Is this shit? No, this is life. So why I need to be banned from QZ? For having theories? For my question about I Want It All (and this question have never been answered by you or BHM, you all just ignore it)? For my reply about facts and emotions? |
Bobby_brown 01.08.2005 09:47 |
Serry... wrote: ...and one more fact: do you guys remember how Brian was unhappy that Roger has got loads of money for I'm In Love With My Car what was B-side to Freddie's Bo Rhap?! It was mentioned in some interviews, it's not my night dream. Just business, nothing personal. And I'm a not anti-Brian maniac! Brian is only one from Queen who I've been priviliged to talk with and I admired of this man, but he's a human. And yes, this is theory, maybe I'm wrong and maybe I'm really need to be banned for having this theory as Bobby requested. But as Isaac Newton said: Amicus Plato amicus Aristoteles magis amica veritas ("Plato is my friend, Aristotle is my friend, but my best friend is truth").First you say you admire Brian, then you say that he's only human. So, you're assuming that a human behaviour is based on money, above all things? Let me tell you the Brian i know, and what he thinks about royalties: As you already know, Brian is the writer of "See what a fool i've been" but he's allways said that this song was based on another song that he have heard on television, but since then was unable to find it's authors for royalties, even though the final version was difernt from the original. Two years ago, they were researching for the boxes and finally found the song that gave birth to SWFIB but unfortunatly the authors of the song were already dead, but he was going to pay their familly the royalties of the song (for good Karma, has he says). After thirty years Brian was going to do this gesture, when he didn't need to. But he only did what he thought was right!! This is the Brian i believe, if you want to believe in another Beian go ahead!! Peace men, don't be with bad feelings about me, because i don't have any bad feelings about you! Take care |
Boy Thomas Raker 01.08.2005 10:27 |
This will be my final post as this could go on for days. Yes, Serry, there were numerous reports, which are factual, about the division of royalties from Bohemian Rhapsody. However, the B-side, I'm in love with my car, is Roger's song, so if anything, the person who had the beef about royalties surely would be Freddie! He pens the greatest song of all time, sells millions of singles, and has to split the money with Roger. How would Brian be upset about this? He would either be on Roger's side (that he deserved the money) or Freddie's side (that Freddie deserved more money.) Brian wouldn't have seen a cent of it either way. Are you saying he was upset because he should have made the same amount of money as Freddie and Roger even though he wrote neither side of the single? If you are, you're speculating and reaching a long way. As for the credit issue for I Want It All, I can't answer that. My beliefs are that the agreement to have all songs written by Queen on the final two albums had absolutely nothing to do with sharing royalties. It had everything to do with protecting Fred from people reading too much into the lyrics. They thought that The Miracle would be his last album. There are lyric lines and theme's all through The Miracle that could be interpreted rather easily as lines written by man knowing his time was short. Obviously the same for Innuendo. Both Was it all worth it and TSMGO are pretty clearly written as goodbye songs. TATDOOL, Bijou, The Miracle ("it's the miracle we need"), Hang on in there etc. all have signs of facing mortality in them. What were they going to say? "Yeah, it's Fred's song, he's dying and wants to express his feelings lyrically." They wanted to put journalists off the trail as they all agreed to close ranks around Freddie until the end. Brian told how hard it was to lie to people about it. I saw Brian in Toronto in 1991, and one of the questions was about touring again, and was the reason they didn't because of Freddie's health? Brian said that Freddie didn't want to tour, and as far as his health, "he ain't dead yet." People cheered. Remember in North America, Queen was off the map. We had no idea Freddie was dying, there was no internet posting things daily on his health. I think it was a clever ploy to keep people away from rumour, and give some privacy to Freddie at the end. Maybe they had an agreement that after X years, Brian, John and Roger could claim their songs for themselves. Then again, I'm just speculating :) |
doremi 01.08.2005 12:20 |
I was away yesterday and missed all this. So...I'll say this...Sergey and Martin took the torch up and said it all best.
Serry... wrote:<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: if Paul ain't up to the job of singing Freddie songs - then GET SOME FUCKER WHO IS - there are plenty of great singers out there....if not have two or three guest singers....Agree! If you asked him to sing Queen songs, but he can't then find someone else! He's a great singer, but if his voice doesn't suited to most of the Queen songs (okay, to Freddie's, they need to use Freddie voice in Bo Rhap even), well... (They even performes one Brian's solo song on this tour, though for instance no any Roger's solo songs on the tour neither on GH III) <font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: thank you Serry. sad though that SOME people can't understand simple facts like YOURS and MINE. as we've maintained ALL ALONG - this latest queen thing is not about THE FANS and it's not about QUEEN it's about money Brian may has done a lot for queen , granted - but since Freddie's demise he's done a fucking darn sight more for BRIAN MAY'S BANK BALANCE by use of the QUEEN name and some interesting redeployment of song-writing credits ...which is what i've maintained all the way through this...i don't care whether it's because Brian May is a barefaced liar or if it's just lucky the way the royalties are working out - whichever way the truth is - it still works out to Brian May's benefit...he's NOW making the lion's share....financially!!! Oh - and as both Arlene and myself said earlier....The tour should have a setlist that's reflective of what QUEEN WOULD PLAY LIVE - but it ain't....and if oNE OF THE REASONS...is because PR can't sing freddie's songs - then get some f**ker who can sing them!!!! Serry... wrote: And about if the song suited to someone's voice or not - though I'm not an expert as I wrote - but Roger himself sung everything he wanted to sing on his solo concerts - I Want To Break Free, The Show Must Go On, We Will Rock You, Lennon's and Hendrix songs etc. etc. etc. and I'm not sure that fans were disappointed! So, it's not a problem to re-arrange song for making it suited to someone's voice, IMHO. Serry... wrote: Who said about 'our fave tracks are not in the list'? All Queen tracks are my fave ones - from Arboria to The Show Must Go On. We said about Freddie's tracks which are not in the list. Some of fans, guys, want to hear real hard rock songs - and yes, most of them were written by Brian, but some other guys want to hear classic Queen songs (most of the stuff what you can label as 'classic' was written by Freddie, and no matter if you miss or not about Killer Queen, but it was first Queen super-hit) too! Not only Brian's hard rock numbers. This is not about Paul Rodgers, this is not about what the set list must be in my opinion, this is not about if they played good or bad, you still don't get the point... Just read my reply about 'I Want It All' (STUDIO version) and 'Mother Love'. And, Bobby, then you're saying "you complain about this, you complain about that" - please name persons who do you mean by this "you". <font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:Bobby_brown wrote: And wat's your problem about that, he deserves every single penny of it! John is siting at home watching his bank acount grow, and doing nothing for it. And if Brian his getting more from WWRY, he's the one who works more too, so... Take carei'll tell you what the f**king problem is. The Company is called QUEEN PRODUCTIONS LTD not BRIAN MAY PLC, so HE should be looking ou for the interests of ALL C |
doremi 01.08.2005 12:27 |
And gee I thought I said in my 1st post on this thread that Freddie's had some clunker songs after Hot Space, but he also had some WONDERFUL songs like Is This The World We Created and (Innuendo which we NOW know Freddie wrote). Plus more of Freddie's 70's early 80's catalog, whic DEFINED Queen, should be represented. Oh...and you're not gonna tell me that Brian, Roger & John didn't write some crap clunkers too you know! |
doremi 01.08.2005 13:00 |
If you think all this is just me, Sergey, and Martin thinking ''conspiracy theories'' by Brian implementing a diminished amount of Freddie's songs in this tour.. ...Paul Rodgers CAN sing stunning, intricate, ballads...think Bad Company's ''Silver Blue & Gold'' (never included in the set)... (which I requested way back)... ..and...''Seagull'' which I have said repeatedly on QZ was my favorite song from Paul's repetoire that he performed with Queen on this tour...but that the song WAS CUT from the setlist...and WHY? Hmmmmmmmmmm Could it be that Brian doesn't want Paul getting more royalyties too? It all adds up, when you throw this into the mix as well. Brian wants to be the Top Dog of royalties and also have his creative cannon be the main focus of the tour and Brian's ''revised'' version and vision of Queen to people. |
Fenderek 02.08.2005 04:08 |
Arlene R. Weiss wrote: but that the song WAS CUT from the setlist...and WHY? Hmmmmmmmmmm Could it be that Brian doesn't want Paul getting more royalyties too?Oh god... They added WISHING WELL... And replaced SEAGULL with SAY IT'S NOT TRUE- that's Roger's track, not Brian's... I think the whole discussion shows one thing- none of you know the behind-the-scenes part and you guys know musician profession only from the spotlight perspective.... Yes, I guess Paul COULD hev sang some of the Freddie's tracks- and do it KIND OF good... They had rehearsals and I'm sure tried few different bits and pieces. Paul from the start was saying that he would like to TRY "The World We Created...?" and "Innuendo". When you rehearse some tracks sound better, some doesn't sound that good. You're coming back on stage after 19 or so years- you want the show to be the best of the best. So you choose those tracks that worked BEST... And the reality is- Brian's track are almost created especially for Paul... They always had this bluesy feeling, let it be Fat Bottomed Girls or even Show Must Go On... I guess Paul COULD HAVE sang Killer Queen- it could have been all right... But just all right... I Want It All sounds better but c'mon- we need to include X number of Fred's tracks... C'mon- this is ridiculous, it never works this way. When it does it's a disaster and artistic death... Paul was asked to this tour because both Roger and Brian felt comfortable playing some songs with him. It seemed natural for both parties- no-one was a loser. For Paul it was huge enough step- don't you think he was really nervous when he agreed? I was at Brixton- I saw how anxious and nervous all musicians were- Paul, Brian, Roger... They weren't sure if the whole thing is going to work. They were really afraid they are going to fail. Brixton was a succes- because of the audience, performance wasn't actually that good- it was getting better with every single gig... They were afraid- obviously if you're not naturally confident you want to do the stuff you can do the best- no experiments, just whatever you can do best. When you think you can fail you chose to perform something that works BEST... You don't do fancy stuff as than you make yourself even more fragile and nervous and unsure of outcome. Musician needs confidence. Paul wouldn't feel confident singing Bicycle Race, I can assure you. For Brian it was always more natural to play Tie Your Mother Down than Don't Stop Me Now... And him writing those songs means he knows them better than anything else. The whole tour was an experiment- no-one knew if it's going to work. It was also a tribute- Paul did a good job with whatever he sang. Imagine they played Somebody To love and failed- wouldn't you Arlene than say that they should have left it, that it's obvious only Freddie could sang that properly OR that they should have gone on tour with George Michael...? So why RISK when you have more to lose than to win? You don't increse the chances of your own failure!!! Paul was always a bluesy-rock singer. Brian was always a rock guitarist. Roger is a kick ass rock drummer. The stuff they paly seems the most natural- NATURAL. And few more points. SEAGULL disappeared from the set list because stupid fans the moment they saw Roger coming to play congas were screaming- the song was beautiful and reflective and it just was terrible... In the middle of it- whoooaaaa, Roger, we love you... give me a break- I'd take it of the setlist as well... An that was my fav moment in Brixton... (apart from TYMD) Little Bit Of Love was also gone after few gigs. Arlene- please check the facts before you make assumptions. Those two tracks dissapeared from the set list when Paul started having problems with his voice- they had to change many things for the time being... And after that they didn't come back. From the perspective? Little Bit Of Love was the song that didn't w |
Fenderek 02.08.2005 04:33 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: ...answer me this.... why are there so little songs from the last three albums? - it' ain't the 'intricacy of the songs freddie composed' theory, because there's plenty freddie wrote on those last three cds that paul could do. i'll tell you why...it's because the song-writing credits were all credited equally to 'queen' so BHM would have to split the song-royalties four ways if they were performed liveI'll answe this question for you as a musician. It's again the same stuff of being uncertain about the outcome. The songs they chose to play they a: know by heart (many tours usually) b: feel NATURAL with... They already had to learn and rehears to death all those songs of Free and Bad Comapny catalogue. Working with Miracle, Innuendo and MiH tracks would have been again the same- learning them pretty much from scratch, adapting them for the stage... It's a hell of a process!!! I Want It All is straightforward and it didn't require that much effort... And they played These Are The days... and Show Must Go On- you have to agree that those were extremely important in Queen history... They rehearesd a lot prior to this tour- you could SEE THAT on actual tour... Putting even more Miracle tracks... Maybe if they had another 2-3 months of rehearsing...? That's a lot- and thay did a lot. New bass player, new arrangements (second guiatar), new songs (Paul's stuff)... Man- new vocalist... It's not atht easy to create unit out of that!!! Fuckin' hell- that IS a lot. I'm teling you as a musician they worked their asses off as this show wouldn't be that good without it... Adding songs NEVER PALYED BEFORE (talking Miracle stuff), adding songs NEVER ADDAPTED TO STAGE... Did they appear at the Tribute? No! Were Show Must Go On, These Are The days... and I Want It All ever performed? YES- so they were already addapted!!! God, it's as simple! Why do you think in Birmingham they added Anothr One Bites The Dust and not Breakthru? Beacuse they know it by heart AND they only had to remember how to play it, not to write new arrangements and pretty much re-invent the track... Same goes for another new track that they added to setlist- Under Pressure. Another one they knew by heart, another one that required only remebering... And before you jump with laziness and everything- I can tell you that they worked their asses off. I saw 7 gigs, I saw sweat, I saw a hard work done on maaaaany rehersals a it all worked PERFECTLY when they reached UK for the second time. I saw few ppl who before were justa bunch of musicians and at the end were a real UNIT. It's obvious you don't know how difficult is THIS to achieve... And I also saw delight on everyone's faces- Brian's, but also Roger's, Pauls', even Danny's... And the audience- mesmerized by the experience... You can say I sit down Brian's ass- whatever. But I know what I saw. And I kinda know how it works BEHIND THE SCENES... George Michael prepared Somebody To Love beautifully but he had all the time in the world at home to learn 3 SONGS! That's it. THREE! Paul had to learn about 25 of them. Obviously with that number (and it's fucking huge- I'm telling you this as a vocalist- 25 songs you have NEVER sang is a lot to rehearse...) he couldn't spend a month trying to crack Somebody To Love and neglect the rest. They chose 25 he could learn in time( not talking lyrincs- talking phrasing, talking feeling the song...). And those were the ones that fitted Paul, Brian, Roger... And before someone will say that there were singers who could do it. Yeah, sure. They'd have problems with tie Your Mother down than... Or WATC... At the end of the day- Freddie was unique. Did you want a clone? I didn't. THAN it would have been re-writing history. The whole POINT was to work with DIFFERENT singer and showmen, who had enough range and talent to pull it off. IMHO the whole tour was an artistic success. It WAS |
Bobby_brown 02.08.2005 09:19 |
Very well said Fenderek. I thought i was the only one thinking like that. As i told before, it's very beatifull to say we want Killer Queen, but try play that song with a band and see how hard it is! Really, man those words were highly apreciated, and as a guitar player myself, i know what you're talking about. I thought i was going crazy!! Take care |
Boy Thomas Raker 02.08.2005 09:36 |
Well put, Fenderek. You won't get Scully, Mulder and The Cancer Man to understand you, but you're spot on. I think the 3 people who post about Brian rewriting the history or doing it for royalties are fans of the music, who don't really understand a lot about music and how difficult it is to perform if you're not comfortable, or how tough it is to learn new material. |
Serry... 02.08.2005 09:43 |
Again... "These three people" were writing about ROYALTIES! R O Y A L T I E S! One of those people called Serry wrote about STUDIO tracks! About to whom they CREDITED! It's like if I say: "2+2=4" and you'd reply to me with "3+3=6, shut up, Serry!". We still talking about different things... You want to talk about if song suited to Paul's voice or not, I wanted to talk about I Want It All and Mother Love but you ignored my posts (except BHM who was honest and said "I can't answer" - that's it!). I asked the question which no-one could answered, so you came with the answers to other questions which I haven't asked for and even wanted me to ban for it. |
Fenderek 02.08.2005 09:51 |
Serry... wrote: It's like if I say: "2+2=4" and you'd reply to me with "3+3=6, shut up, Serry!". We still talking about different things... You want to talk about if song suited to Paul's voice or not, I wanted to talk about I Want It All and Mother Love but you ignored my postsI didn't ignore it- Brenski's and Arlene's were more evident and they went on and on about the tour. I guess my reply was more to them thann to you... Serry... wrote: Again... "These three people" were writing about ROYALTIES! R O Y A L T I E S! One of those people called Serry wrote about STUDIO tracks! About to whom they CREDITED!OK- fuck knows about it. I'll admit that as well. BUT MAYBE- JUST MAYBE I Want it All was totally finished- from start to bottom, whereas the rest of'em were still arranged by entire band? That goeas for Hijack My Heart for instance... We DON'T KNOW that Roger wrote everything- he sang, but maybe most of the arrangements were John's? IWIA was apaprently (according even to John in interview in 1989) THE ONLY TRACK that was finished even before they hit the studio. HEADLONG was written by Brian but maybe someone else had the input? C'mon- we all work on what we know- but we definitely don't know EVERYTHING. I for instance refuse to believe that Roger is a pushover and just let Brioan take credit when he wasn't the one to and didn't fight for his own cut... Mother Love was written by two of them- probably arranged than as well. Yes- Freddie wrote A Winter's Tale- LYRICS. But we don't know who did arrangements, do we? Same goes for many others- Freddie wrote Don't Try So Hard but apparently others had an input. I agree to some degree that it's strange when credits suddenly change (check Floyds- they can't make up their mind who wrote what...) but saying taht history is being re-written and that it's all to erase Freddie's imput is just... I can't find the word- ridiculous seems too soft... PS Even if it was really roger who wrote Hijck... entirely.. Can you see the fact taht new credits appeared on new release? That means that maybe- MAYBE- Hijack would also have credits saying ATYLOR but the song was simply unreleased since 1989!!!! WTF do you want them to do? Go second hand shops and change every single cover with marker pen? And one more thing- what's the credit on mini vinyls? |
Serry... 02.08.2005 10:00 |
Fenderek, you don't know, I don't know - but I give theory, you don't - that's it. Don't believe it? Okay! Just say "I don't believe in this", but instead of this simple and polite answer I've read here everything about how it's hard for Paul to sing this or that, how I put Brian's name in shit, that I'm need to be banned from QueenZone... I wrote in one of my first replies "I'm a not music expert, so I'd better listen to what you guys say about it" - did someone read this line? Or it was discovered right now on 5th page of the thread? You don't like theories - okay, I won't post any theories. PS: Brian said that Freddie wrote The Miracle, this song was released many-many times after 1989 and it's on GVHII credited to Queen, while on the same DVD IWIA credited to Brian - this is the answer to your PS. |
Fenderek 02.08.2005 10:06 |
Serry... wrote: Fenderek, you don't know, I don't know - but I give theory, you don't - that's it. Don't believe it? Okay! Just say "I don't believe in this", but instead of this simple and polite answer I've read here everything about how it's hard for Paul to sing this or that, how I put Brian's name in shit, that I'm need to be banned from QueenZone...When did I write you put anything in shame and you should be banned? AND I explained taht it was more a reply to arlene and Brenski who were ON AND ON about the tour and simple maths regarding number of tacks in the setlist... You agve a theory- I gave one as well, didn't I? That IWIA was finished bty Brian- the rest had to just play whatever he wrote. According to John (GVHII bonus interview) that's how it was... With MIRACLE it could have been different- wrote by Freddie but arranged by everybody, with ppl adding bits and pieces... That's my theory- just giving you mine. I'm not angry at yours- I just disagree- I'm allowed, surely... :) And Serry- when I was writing about the tour it was towards Brenski and Arlene. Simple as that. OK? Peace? :) |
Serry... 02.08.2005 10:08 |
Fenderek wrote:No, no, no, it wasn't you! Read one of Bobby's replies to me, he wrote "If I could I'd ban you from Queenzone".Serry... wrote: Fenderek, you don't know, I don't know - but I give theory, you don't - that's it. Don't believe it? Okay! Just say "I don't believe in this", but instead of this simple and polite answer I've read here everything about how it's hard for Paul to sing this or that, how I put Brian's name in shit, that I'm need to be banned from QueenZone...When did I write you put anything in shame and you should be banned? AND I explained taht it was more a reply to arlene and Brenski who were ON AND ON about the tour and simple maths regarding number of tacks in the setlist... You agve a theory- I gave one as well, didn't I? That IWIA was finished bty Brian- th erest had to just play whatever he wrote. According to John (GVHII bonus interview) that's how it was... |
Fenderek 02.08.2005 10:11 |
Serry... wrote:OK- that IS ridiculous. I agree. So... :) What were we talking about? ;)Fenderek wrote:No, no, no, it wasn't you! Read one of Bobby's replies to me, he wrote "If I could I'd ban you from Queenzone".Serry... wrote: Fenderek, you don't know, I don't know - but I give theory, you don't - that's it. Don't believe it? Okay! Just say "I don't believe in this", but instead of this simple and polite answer I've read here everything about how it's hard for Paul to sing this or that, how I put Brian's name in shit, that I'm need to be banned from QueenZone...When did I write you put anything in shame and you should be banned? AND I explained taht it was more a reply to arlene and Brenski who were ON AND ON about the tour and simple maths regarding number of tacks in the setlist... You agve a theory- I gave one as well, didn't I? That IWIA was finished bty Brian- th erest had to just play whatever he wrote. According to John (GVHII bonus interview) that's how it was... |
Boy Thomas Raker 02.08.2005 10:12 |
Hi Serry. To me, royalties are but a part of this thread. Brenski said "...I do think BM is trying to expunge FM from the 'live scene' - if at the very least to 'big up' or increase his own 'self-importance' must be terrible for the poor fella that even now, 14 years after FM's demise, he can't be seen as a song-writing equal by most queen fans." Then Arlene seconded that saying that we are seeing Queen history rewritten or revised by Brian. Sorry, but that's utter bullshit. I'm not in the camp to determine what business arrangements they had for songwriting. If Brian taking credit for IWIA is revising history, I guess he's guilty. But this thread went south with Brenski's idiotic assertions about Brian taking Fred's songs from the setlist, and that he's not an equal (he's not, he's consistently better) to Fred as a songwriter. Freddie Mercury is a genius. No one disputes that. But as much as you feel Fenderek or Bobby Brown aren't responding to your questions about royalties, I've posted valid reasons why there are more Brian songs than Fred songs. Nobody answers or disputes them, they just go back to making a point with no fact other than the decreasing number of Freddie songs. To sum up: 1. Fred's best rock songs were on 1 thru ANATO. 2. They aren't playing much early stuff. 3. Fred's later songs were not rock. 4. They do not fit the setlist. 5. This is a rock tour. 6. I've given a list of songs, what would you add? The singer has to feel comfortable with the material, and a lot of Fred's fey, playful style of singing is the polar opposite of Paul Rodgers. Arlene states that Paul can sing ballads, but Freddie was a very feminine singer in phrasing and delivery, and I doubt that Paul would feel comfotable singing his ballads. Those are possible reasons for the setlist, not a conspiracy. By the way, Brian May has done a lot of work on the musical over the past 5 years, a lot more than Freddie Mercury, and Freddie's estate has made a lot of money. |
Fenderek 02.08.2005 10:19 |
AND JUST ON TOP OF THAT- Th etherad started with the post about the TOUR and lack of songs from last 3 albums- which I think I explained... |
Serry... 02.08.2005 10:23 |
Brenski's idea was very simple actually: if he can't sing most of Fred's songs - then find someone else who'd be able to sing more of them than Paul. If it's just rock concert - no problems then, but if it's Queen concert..... then it's another case, I guess. About royalties - don't worry Brian and Roger get more money than Freddie and John. Not because of the royalties, but because they're directors in the different companies which working in this project. Brian, Roger and Jim (in some of them). And this is fair, since John did nothing for the musical. The same, by the way, was about FM Tribute DVD re-issue - you probably seen the title "Tonleigh Ltd" - so directors of this Tonleigh are Brian and Roger, John is absent. It's not so easy, as it seems! Well, I think we need to over this discussion, because we all still with our opinions and still believe in our own theories... Cheers. |
Serry... 02.08.2005 10:29 |
double post, sorry |
Fenderek 02.08.2005 10:31 |
Serry... wrote: Brenski's idea was very simple actually: if he can't sing most of Fred's songs - then find someone else who'd be able to sing more of them than Paul. If it's just rock concert - no problems then, but if it's Queen concert..... then it's another case, I guess.15 yeas and they couldn't. PLUS- Than he'sd ahve struggled with Brian's ones.. Now I don't want a giog with freddie's "classics" and no Brian's hard rock guitar, sorry... Freddie was unique and we know it. Everybody knows that he's not there- so expecting pretty much the same thing from gig in 2005 is actually naive... I guess we're really talking about the taste- I like d what I've heard, it was DIFFERENT. I don't want a Mercury clone. It's not that Pul can't sing them- just that different ones sound faaar better. And for Brian and Roger they sounded stunning enough to make a decission to go on that tour... Somehow thay're not touring with Tony Vincent... Serry... wrote: About royalties - don't worry Brian and Roger get more money than Freddie and John. Not because of the royalties, but because they're directors in the different companies which working in this project. Brian, Roger and Jim (in some of them). And this is fair, since John did nothing for the musical. The same, by the way, was about FM Tribute DVD re-issue - you probably seen the title "Tonleigh Ltd" - so directors of this Tonleigh are Brian and Roger, John is absent. It's not so easy, as it seems!But that seem only fair if they are the ones who are still doing it, right? Serry... wrote: Well, I think we need to over this discussion, because we all still with our opinions and still believe in our own theories... Cheers.That's nothing wrong with it, is it? I still think it is or may be quite productive! |
Serry... 02.08.2005 10:48 |
I thought too 'till the lines about putting Brian's name in shit and the idea of banning me for taking Brenski's side in this discussion. And yes this is fair about WWRY - and I wrote it - this is fair :) |
Bobby_brown 02.08.2005 11:19 |
Serry... wrote: Again... "These three people" were writing about ROYALTIES! R O Y A L T I E S! One of those people called Serry wrote about STUDIO tracks! About to whom they CREDITED! It's like if I say: "2+2=4" and you'd reply to me with "3+3=6, shut up, Serry!". We still talking about different things... You want to talk about if song suited to Paul's voice or not, I wanted to talk about I Want It All and Mother Love but you ignored my posts (except BHM who was honest and said "I can't answer" - that's it!). I asked the question which no-one could answered, so you came with the answers to other questions which I haven't asked for and even wanted me to ban for it.Serry, i don't wish you to be banned from this forum. I think you're still thinking about my words, and it wasn't my intention to be agressive to you (but i can see i was too hard on you) and for that I'm sorry. Please take my apologies because the're sincere. OK, lets talk about your questions, because they're a different subject from what i was discussing before. For the good of this discussion, let me clarify that i was only against the idea that Brian choose what songs to perform live based on royalties. I never said that Brian didn't like royalties from his songs, because in the end that's his living and i'm not naive to that point and neither is he. And an author, totally deserves the royalties because an author is a creator!! You want to know why I want it all is now credit for Brian instead of Queen. As it was sead before the answer is i don't know, but i do have some theories about that: When they made the decision to credit the Miracle album to the four of them, i don't think they've donne it because royalties (it was, but on another context as i will explain later in this text), but instead i think it was for Freddie's protecton (as someone stated before), because there are many hidden messages related to Freddie's desease, and a feeling that Queen were about to be over. Now, imagine that Freddie wanted to express his feeling through his music (and at this time he was a very prolific writer), the most reasonable thing to do is: If i want to have my songs on this record i should guive them (Brian, Roger ,John) a fair deal. So yes, i think this was Freddie's idea to protect the band from the royalties issue, and this way he could put as many songs as he wants to (as long they're good). And, this was a new situation, because for the first time in Queen's career they knew they wouldn't tour so this was a way of protect the less prolific songwriters of the band (Roger, John- even though i think the eighties were better for this two guys than for Brian and Freddie), because this time there was only the royalties money from this album. No tour, no money!! Since they had established this rule before the album sessions begining, it was easier for them to guive ideas for each others music, because this time they didn't had to worry about credits. If the songs were to be credit to all of them, then all of them would feel free to contribute. That's why you heard things like Roger did this, then Freddie added this, then John change this, etc, etc. It was a new way for them to be working toghether. So, if you want my opinion, the biggest reason was: - Since there was not going to be a tour for the Miracle album allowing them to earn millions, they were making shure that everyone would receive the same thing, allowing them to put as many own songs as they wanted not offending anyone feelings by doing so!! Now, from all the songs, there appears to be one that was all writen by one member and that song is I Want it All. Why it is now credit to Brian, You ask?- In my opinion is just for people to know who the writer was more than the royalties thing. But tell me, is this song being credit in all releases, i mean in the re-release of the Miracle album, is this song be |
Daniel Nester 02.08.2005 11:20 |
The money they make from this tour is a pittance compared with back catlogue royalties, the musical productions, commercials, and interest from their accounts and still other revenue streams. They're doing this for the music, I think. I think it's as simple as that. The most they grossed for their 32-date tour? Think about it. $200 tickets X 20,000 each concert = $4,000,000 X 32 = 128,000,000 divide by Freddie estate/John/Brian/Roger/Paul Rodgers = $25,600,000 That's the gross. I don't know guys, after taxes. Me, I'm in a 32% tax bracket here in Brooklyn. Let's take that off of 25.6. That's $17,408,000 left. OK, overhead, paying Jim Beach, promoters, the venues, oh, and the other three musicians, I'd say the main parties involved cleared, what? Anyone have a guess? My last question: Do you really think there's extended feuding about the stuff, like on this thread, with the players involved, when they're already worth so much already. Maybe. I doubt it. I think it has more to do with what makes a good show. Name one Freddie song they could be doing but are omitting because of money, one John song. I come up with "Somebody to Love." Maybe "Misfire." That's about it. Kidding about "Misfire." |
Boy Thomas Raker 02.08.2005 11:39 |
From brianmay.com this morning: Giving voice to the many famous Queen songs is no easy feat, to be sure, and even Rodgers admits that it hasn't been easy filling Freddie Mercury's shoes. PAUL RODGERS: "Queen music is very unique. Everything they do is kind of, just takes a left turn when you think it's gonna go right, all the time. And for that matter, you know, in that respect, it was quite a handful for me to get to grips with it." |
Serry... 04.08.2005 12:24 |
By the way, you can hear John's interview where he's talking a little about Queen's business side: link |
doremi 04.08.2005 12:35 |
Serry... wrote: By the way, you can hear John's interview where he's talking a little about Queen's business side: linkThanks! Excellent interview and nice to hear John seem to enjoy opening up and talking a bit as he is always so clamped up in interviews normally giving one word answers. Maybe he likes and prefers talking about the business side of Queen as opposed to the rote personal or repetitive questions. |
Bobby_brown 04.08.2005 15:46 |
Very good interview. what i think it'S funny about that site is the section "weekly news". I mean, if you run a site about john you could have put a more apropriate name like "anual news", and this is if you get lucky!!! Take care |
Bobby_brown 18.09.2005 17:02 |
I´m sorry to bring this topic back again, but have you guys noticed the credits for "I Want It All" in the "Return of the Champions" CD. This comes to proove one thing i have said before: - If we are not fully aware of the situation then we never should talk bad about someone, (We should never talk bad about someone in any situation)- even if it's only to proove a point of view! Because, as you can see IWIA is credit to Queen again. "Probably" the GVH 2 has a mistake on it, but that doesn't matter anymore, the thing is that there was things said at this topic about Brian that just weren't polite, and i wish that in the future we can all be more positive about something. This summer was very negative at this board, and i've contributed too for that bad vibe!- Let's hope in the future this become more of a queen fan board and not Queen fan criticize-everything-they-do! Take care |