| INXS 23.07.2005 09:46 |
I am in shock of what I have just read.....2 gay teenagers of the age of 18 and the other one under 18 were hanged just a couple of days ago in Iran for being gay! Of course it had to happen in an islamic country, I can't believe that things like this happen still today in 2005...I am disgusted with the whole islam mentality after this! Please read the links, there's more to it.....Is there a God or any kind of justice under the sky? link link |
| Sonia Doris 23.07.2005 09:58 |
In Romania, until a few years a bo, you could go to jail for being gay... Let's not judge only Muslims for that... All traditional societies have stuff against homosexuals. |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 23.07.2005 09:58 |
But of course, they can do whatever they want, because God forbid anyone try to do something about it. There's all this outrage right now, but if Bush starts a war against them (as he might) it will be IRAN WAS NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG!!! BUSH YOU'RE AN EVIL BAD MAN!!! |
| bitesthedust 23.07.2005 10:10 |
what's Bush got to do with this? |
| INXS 23.07.2005 10:10 |
I do know that there are countries where you can go to jail for being gay, but what we are talking about is something completely different...we're talking about execution. |
| YourValentine 23.07.2005 10:12 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench, it would be good if you start to think before posting for a change. In which way is it helpful to bomb a country to rubble when Human Right violations happen, no matter how severe? Do you think people in Iraq are better off now? With no food, no electricity, terror in the streets, corruption in the government and the list goes on and on? You should know that people in the EU find it medieval and cruel that in the United States minors and mentally ill people are executed. We think this is a gross and unforgivable violation of Human Rights. Only 7 countries in the world like China and North Korea, for example, do the same. Maybe it's time to learn that other methods like education, feeding the poor and sending their children to school is more effective when you want to fight Human Rights violations but that is not to your cowboy mentality, is it? |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 23.07.2005 10:23 |
YourValentine wrote: FreddiesGhettoTrench, it would be good if you start to think before posting for a change. In which way is it helpful to bomb a country to rubble when Human Right violations happen, no matter how severe?Instead, we should turn the other way and pocket money from the leaders of the country! *cough*UN*cough* Do you think people in Iraq are better off now?Yes, they are. With no food, no electricity, terror in the streets, corruption in the government and the list goes on and on?With no torture threat from Saddam, either! You should know that people in the EU find it medieval and cruel that in the United States minorsBUZZ. Minors can't be executed, the Supreme Court decided. Maybe it's time to learn that other methods like education, feeding the poor and sending their children to school is more effective when you want to fight Human Rights violations but that is not to your cowboy mentality, is it?And how would we do this? By giving money to the leaders of Iran (or retroactively, to Hussein) and they would simply use it to procure MORE human rights violations! Do you think if you gave the leaders of Iran money, they would go, "it's wrong to torture and execute people for being gay"?! No! They'd use it to buy more equipment to torture people WITH! |
| Serry... 23.07.2005 11:08 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:Did you ask them or uncle Sam told you?Do you think people in Iraq are better off now? Yes, they are. With no food, no electricity, terror in the streets, corruption in the government and the list goes on and on? With no torture threat from Saddam, either!Did they told you that wanted to exchange 'no food' on 'no torture from Saddam'? There's one little difference between Iraq and China/North Korea - they have nuclear weapon and it's something what stops Mr Bush from giving 'American kind of liberty' to every 'unhappy' person on the planet. |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 23.07.2005 11:36 |
Serry... wrote:Did you ask them or uncle Sam told you?I happened to believe that a person who's not being tortured is better off than a person who is. I suppose that's one of my failings.Did they told you that wanted to exchange 'no food' on 'no torture from Saddam'?The Iraqi government is getting things under control. It takes awhile to make a democratic government, but a democratic government that's under construction is better than no democratic government at all. |
| @ndy38 23.07.2005 11:51 |
I completley agree with Sergey. I've seen these videos on the BBC website months ago and it showed the terrible standard of living for Iraqi's due to the War. And lets not forget the amount of innocent civilains who have died as a result of 'Gulf War 2'. Its actually annoyed me a little bit knowing someone actually thinks the citizens of Iraq are better off now than they were. |
| Serry... 23.07.2005 12:03 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: I happened to believe that a person who's not being tortured is better off than a person who is. I suppose that's one of my failings.Are we talking about what do YOU (or some other Americans) feel/believe/think or what people of Iraq feel/believe/think? Do you know what most of Europeans think about Mr Bush? Do we have to send our armies to States and make your lives better - in our opinion? And don't believe to what you hear from your press! When the Cold War is over I've read a lot of 'interesting' stuff in Western press and books about the country (USSR) where I did live. Over 75% of those facts were real bullshit. |
| quicksilver mercury 23.07.2005 12:30 |
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| Serry... 23.07.2005 12:54 |
scott__mercury wrote: Even though it's a sin America does not execute gays. Only for a sin that kills another person. The bible says man should not lie down with another man but we tolerate the gays choice to sin. We don't give them the rights that the sodomite countries of Canada, Holland, Belgium and Spain do.People in Iran don't care about the Bible I think... They have Qur'an |
| Mr.Jingles 23.07.2005 13:32 |
Serry... wrote:Which just like the Bible is taken and interpreted by a bunch of fundamentalists who justify hatred based on what's "written" on it.scott__mercury wrote: Even though it's a sin America does not execute gays. Only for a sin that kills another person. The bible says man should not lie down with another man but we tolerate the gays choice to sin. We don't give them the rights that the sodomite countries of Canada, Holland, Belgium and Spain do.People in Iran don't care about the Bible I think... They have Qur'an |
| Insomni@ 23.07.2005 16:50 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:Unfortunately this is true.They were always interpreting the things as they wanted....Serry... wrote:Which just like the Bible is taken and interpreted by a bunch of fundamentalists who justify hatred based on what's "written" on it.scott__mercury wrote: Even though it's a sin America does not execute gays. Only for a sin that kills another person. The bible says man should not lie down with another man but we tolerate the gays choice to sin. We don't give them the rights that the sodomite countries of Canada, Holland, Belgium and Spain do.People in Iran don't care about the Bible I think... They have Qur'an |
| iron eagle 23.07.2005 17:28 |
<Even though it's a sin> Jesus did deal with human sexuality in an open and unthreatened manner. He affirmed on one hand the goods of marriage, but also declared marriage is not for everyone (Matthew 19:3-12). Furthermore, the Bible does not record one word spoken by Jesus condemning homosexuality just a thought-- if the Son of God did not condem it... just who decided it was a sin?? |
| Gecko 23.07.2005 18:31 |
go go iron one....... i need you on my bible trivia team :P ok, now this talk about how the country of iraq is much worse off than prior, well, as far as schools, electricity, and water, well, somewhat, but rome wasnt built in a day either. i been on missions to help build roads to get the people of iraq to the hospitals and schools we helped build for them, and delivered books and food to the people at the buildings that lay on the roads that we reconstructed for them. they know of the internet now, fast food, womens freedoms, and the right to vote without facing a death threat. now sadly, you dont see that on cnn, you dont see that on bbc, but you do see endless coverage of michael jackson.the media gives you what they feel will make people watch,and tell you what they feel you should know take it from the geckos mouth, i see it in the eyes of the kids who have shoes on their feet, i see it in the eyes in the mothers who are now getting medications for their kids, i see it in the eyes of the fathers who now have jobs,i see it in the males who dont feel threatened by having to join the military, but chose to, and i see it in the eyes of the women who now can be an individual insted of a .50 of a person (the females were concidered to be half a person in the censes)and can walk around looking like a woman insted of a bundle of rags with eyes, i see it in the young who now listen to music that was never avalable to them and i see it in the old who now see opertunities for the children i see a free iraq, building as the days go by,and i dont care what the cnn/bbc tell me, i know what the iraqi people say to me, and that is "thank you" |
| Mr.Jingles 23.07.2005 21:09 |
Gecko wrote: i dont care what the cnn/bbc tell me, i know what the iraqi people say to me, and that is "thank you"- Thank you for bombing my house. - Thank you for crushing my car with a tank. - Thank you for "patiently" understanding that I don't speak your language. - Thank you for allowing Halliburton to come and steal our oil. - Thank you for torturing my cousin after he was wrongfully accused of being a militant. - Thank you for giving weapons to Saddam Hussein back in the 80s. - Thank you for 'Independence Day' and all those movies. |
| Serry... 24.07.2005 01:45 |
Gecko wrote: go go iron one....... i need you on my bible trivia team :P ok, now this talk about how the country of iraq is much worse off than prior, well, as far as schools, electricity, and water, well, somewhat, but rome wasnt built in a day either. i been on missions to help build roads to get the people of iraq to the hospitals and schools we helped build for them, and delivered books and food to the people at the buildings that lay on the roads that we reconstructed for them. they know of the internet now, fast food, womens freedoms, and the right to vote without facing a death threat. now sadly, you dont see that on cnn, you dont see that on bbc, but you do see endless coverage of michael jackson.the media gives you what they feel will make people watch,and tell you what they feel you should know take it from the geckos mouth, i see it in the eyes of the kids who have shoes on their feet, i see it in the eyes in the mothers who are now getting medications for their kids, i see it in the eyes of the fathers who now have jobs,i see it in the males who dont feel threatened by having to join the military, but chose to, and i see it in the eyes of the women who now can be an individual insted of a .50 of a person (the females were concidered to be half a person in the censes)and can walk around looking like a woman insted of a bundle of rags with eyes, i see it in the young who now listen to music that was never avalable to them and i see it in the old who now see opertunities for the children i see a free iraq, building as the days go by,and i dont care what the cnn/bbc tell me, i know what the iraqi people say to me, and that is "thank you"Do you really think that they didn't have food and job for over 20 years then Saddam headed Iraq?! Don't be ridiculous... Do you think they needed in Internet and fast food? Maybe you build Disney-land for them there in the desert? Or new Las Vegas? They needed it and they told you about that, right? By the way - you said about Jackson... It's the problem... It's the problem of all Americans... We - Europeans - are ready to send our soldiers to USA and help you to solve this problem, no we don't ask you, we just let you know. Yeah? Bullshit... |
| Gecko 24.07.2005 04:01 |
yep, we did this for a new disneyland, that was our intention.... but please dont believe me, ive only been here for a year and a half...2nd time around, so what do i know..... but do me a favor and before you send your european soldiers to america, pull them out of iraq first, since they do make up the colalition. have a happy and blissful day |
| Serry... 24.07.2005 04:08 |
Gecko wrote: yep, we did this for a new disneyland, that was our intention.... but please dont believe me, ive only been here for a year and a half...2nd time around, so what do i know..... but do me a favor and before you send your european soldiers to america, pull them out of iraq first, since they do make up the colalition. have a happy and blissful dayOur - Russian - soldiers are not in Iraq, we have the brains for not sending them there. You spent over year there? Okay. But how many years you've spent in Saddam's Iraq? What do you know about how people lived there? Read TQ's reply above! I lived in USSR and you know we had food to eat, drinks to drink, we had TV sets, we had video tape machines and we weren't starving and afraid of saying something bad against the government! And we all weren't communists' zombies. And where we are now? We're 'free', but over 60% of population is poor. Earnings outside Moscow is about 100-200 USD at month! Are we happy...? Don't believe the press! Neither me, I don't trust to some crazy 'news' about USA which I hear on our TV news, it's all politics' lies. |
| Gecko 24.07.2005 05:48 |
well, i was here in 1991, so i was here during saddams reign and saw saddams army. but as i said before, i hear it from the people themselves, people who withnessed both sides of the coin, and can honestly say it is better now than it was,and they are much happier now knowing they might have a future of freedoms they never thought that they would have. i think i will believe the people who live it over those who think that they know cause they were told this and that, and that is the only point im trying to make. you have all the rights to feel the way you wish to feel, thats your choice,but until you been here, see it first hand, than you know about as much as what is going on as the media and other sorces want you to know. besides that, have a happy day |
| Guy 24.07.2005 10:45 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: - Thank you for bombing my house. - Thank you for crushing my car with a tank. - Thank you for "patiently" understanding that I don't speak your language. - Thank you for allowing Halliburton to come and steal our oil. - Thank you for torturing my cousin after he was wrongfully accused of being a militant. - Thank you for giving weapons to Saddam Hussein back in the 80s. - Thank you for 'Independence Day' and all those movies.No... Thank you for bringing the dead number in a MONTH from 5,000 to 800. Sure, there's a long way to go, but it's a start. Or would you rather 4,200 extra innocent deaths a month? |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 24.07.2005 12:14 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:So, in Germany, I suppose we should not have gotten rid of the Nazis. Look at all the devasation we caused there, with fire bombings and the such. I guess FDR was a moron and we should have never knocked out the Nazis, and just let them kill all of Europe!Serry... wrote:He, Freddies Ghetto Moron, I happen to know loads of people from Iraq with families there, and they tell me that if there is any change at all, it's for the worse. Indeed, there is no more torture...formally. The number of people who got tortured was high, but not as high as we were lead to believe. The Americans do the same, plus they shoot civilians, run them over with armoured vehicles if they don't get out of the way soon enough, etc. They're worse off. Now the country is divided, and you are no more than a brainless zombie for blindly following that retard Bush.Did you ask them or uncle Sam told you?I happened to believe that a person who's not being tortured is better off than a person who is. I suppose that's one of my failings.Did they told you that wanted to exchange 'no food' on 'no torture from Saddam'?The Iraqi government is getting things under control. It takes awhile to make a democratic government, but a democratic government that's under construction is better than no democratic government at all. |
| Serry... 24.07.2005 12:48 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: So, in Germany, I suppose we should not have gotten rid of the Nazis. Look at all the devasation we caused there, with fire bombings and the such. I guess FDR was a moron and we should have never knocked out the Nazis, and just let them kill all of Europe!"We"? 74% of Nazi's armies were destroyed by Soviet army... Just wanted to let you know this little fact... |
| OrAnGe SoDa 24.07.2005 13:47 |
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| OrAnGe SoDa 24.07.2005 13:48 |
i heard this gay guy went up to these guys in a bar.he was being friendly and nice to them.then the guys take the gay guy out of the bar, and lead him to a dessert with a fence.then they tie him up to the fence and beat the shit out of him.they just leave the gay guy there to roast.unfortunately...when his friends found him...he was already dead...they killed him just for being gay... |
| SergeantPepperDG 24.07.2005 13:55 |
Are you talking about Matthew Shepard? Because (correct me if I am wrong) he wasn't found by his friends. Matthew was found by a passerby on a bike, and he was still alive, but in a coma. I think he died 5 days later. |
| Sonia Doris 24.07.2005 15:30 |
Alex Solan wrote:Is this a good time for cookies?bitesthedust wrote: what's Bush got to do with this?She's a fucking fan. Don't you see? She and all the brainless morons that supports her - or should I say "SS buddies"? (THEY know who they are) Chris, sadly we can't avoid this kinda "posts". |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 24.07.2005 18:05 |
Alex Solan wrote:It's nice to know that you have to resort to this kind of name calling to get your so-called "point" across... I don't remember asking you for your opinion, as it were, so I'd rather you not give it.bitesthedust wrote: what's Bush got to do with this?She's a fucking fan. Don't you see? She and all the brainless morons that supports her - or should I say "SS buddies"? (THEY know who they are) Chris, sadly we can't avoid this kinda "posts". |
| Gecko 24.07.2005 18:44 |
i see where this is going, comparing the us army to the nazies???? nice play on the "i dont have a good responce so i will go to the non-logical comparison and name calling card". seems that i see in alot of answers here are more "anti-american"than dealing with the topic and with that attitude, this will continue till the name calling goes to crank phone calls and doorbell ringing and could end at, God forbid, someone taking their red ball and going home. believe what you want, and live with it, i know the truth, and that is something i will live with. just spent the last week training iraqi soldiers to protect themselves and convoy preperations, soon, they will be confident enough to take it upon themselves and we will leave sometime after that, and allow themselves to make it on their own as a free people. your welcome. btw, you stated the over 70% of the nazies were taken care of by the russian soldiers, gee, does that mean your harsh russian winters held a military rank or position ???? take care and God bless |
| @ndy38 24.07.2005 18:51 |
Gecko, you are forgetting the millions of Russians who died In World War 2 trying to save the world from Nazism. And you are being a bit hypocritical with your 'Russian Winter's' Joke, that's just as bad as the name calling you were reffering to. |
| Gecko 24.07.2005 19:06 |
you know what, your right, 2 million russians did give their lives to fight evil nazi orginization who murdered 12 million people, and for that, the russians will always be remembered for their bravery, as well as all the men who gave their lives during that time to rid the world of the nazi terror....i never condemed the russians, i made a comment refering to us being compared in iraq to a group who tried to exterminate a race. and as far as the russian winter crack, well, its apart of history, the nazies tried 2 twice to go into russia, and were stopped by the russian winters..its history, fact.....i just asked if the winters were part of the army cause the same person who refered to us as nazies stated that over 70% of the nazies were done in by russian soldiers....and soldiers alone now if you think thats name calling, than i guess i hit a sensitive bone, but that had nothing to do with name calling, it had to do with fact. the russian soldiers during WW2 were a great assit, just like the albanians and soldiers from kosovo i fought next to during this campain |
| Gecko 24.07.2005 19:15 |
now gecko is a retard....hmmmmmmmmm, i guess in your eyes im a bush loving nazi bearing iraqi distroying retarted american killing machine..... damn, just dont call me stinky or smelly, or tell me my shoes look funny, i really cant take that sort of verbal abuse!! take care and God bless |
| Gecko 24.07.2005 19:26 |
well, i can try to explain it to you, although i dont know all the answeres, i didnt decide myself to spend over a year away from my wife and kids to come over here to do the job my commander and chief ordered me to do. lets see, to replace the iraqi leadership from saddam to another...well, in a nut shell, we just ousted a tyrant and allowed the iraqis to re-elect their own leaders..... as far as the resorces and oil, well, i dont know anything about it, if the american are taking it, i am not seeing any of it, as far as i know, if we had their oil reserves, than why are we paying over 50.00 (an all time high) for the oil we are soposivily stealing.... i hope i answered your questions, any others, please inquire with mr bush and the us government, im just a u.s. nco message berrier, sending a message of freedom from mr george w. bush to the good people of iraq...and i think that is a good thing. i hope that helps take care and God bless |
| Fenderek 25.07.2005 04:10 |
Gecko wrote: you know what, your right, 2 million russians did give their lives to fight evil nazi orginization who murdered 12 million people, and for that, the russians will always be remembered for their braveryJust to clarify one thing- it was 20 not 2... |
| kingogre 25.07.2005 04:19 |
it is estmated that about 100,000 iraqi civilians have died because of the war and the occupation. |
| kingogre 25.07.2005 04:38 |
gecko you obviously do not know much about the second world war... 20 million russians died, as has been stated earlier, germany invaded Soviet union once and to say that they were stopped by the winter is to make things very very simple. Saying that the russians were simply a great asset is probably the underevaluation of the century. it can be fairly claimed that the central conflict in the war in europe was between soviet and germany. one of the largest goals for the nazis was to crush russia. for example, hitler himself saw the russians as the only real enemy. also remember that the americans only really entered the war in europe in 1944. Before that they were mostly involved in fighting the japanese and sending weapons and aid to britain and soviet. by 1944 however germany was more or less beaten. |
| Serry... 25.07.2005 06:12 |
I just would like to know who writes history books in the States... 2 millions instead of over 20 millions (actually it was about 24), winter stoped nazis - yeah, yeah, from 1941 'till 1944 (when nazis were on the territory of USSR) - it was unstopable summer in Russia, you know! (and by the way - if you have globe just take a look and you'll see that Germany is not in Africa nor South America and they know what is winter, Moscow places souther than many Germany towns!) |
| @ndy38 25.07.2005 06:18 |
Altogether it was 28 million i think. Which is just such a huge number that it's just so hard to imagine ALL those people dead. |
| Fenderek 25.07.2005 06:19 |
About Russia and USA and II World ar... Hadn't Hitler attacked Russia- the war would have last much longer, even with US of A army. That's the fact. Russian offensive was a turning point in the IIWW history. It's as simple. |
| Gecko 25.07.2005 08:47 |
well, i just took the numbers that andy lamb gave me from 1 of his previous post, but i see now that even he learned from you, and changed his post from 2 million to millions.....but mistakes are mistakes, and everyone makes them i guess the edit button can help you save face, but i will change that to 20 million in this post due to the fact that i was givin mistaken info, and that is better than hiding behind the edit button. 2 million, 20 million, 200 million.....1 is to many you know what,it was also said that 100,000 civialians have died since this, i dont know the numbers, but can you maybe bring out the numbers of people who died due to saddams terror??, im sure those numbers will come out when he is tried by the iraqi people. God bless the russian people |
| @ndy38 25.07.2005 09:04 |
I'm pretty sure i never edited my post. Unless i've confused myself. Anyway Gecko you are correct, even one is too many. |
| @ndy38 25.07.2005 09:46 |
link I'm interested to see where some people are on this. I'm 3 left, 2 down. |
| kingogre 25.07.2005 11:05 |
im 6 to the left, 7 down |
| Bob The Shrek 25.07.2005 11:13 |
1. The Russian winter of 1941/42 was one of the worst in history - temperatures of -40 every day. German soldiers died in their sleep, deisel froze in their tanks and food was scarce. Germans were not issued with winter clothing. 2. Russian military casualties 13.6 miliion, civillian 6.7 million. 3. USAF had 30,000 aircrew killed over Europe before Operation Overlord in June 1944. People should realise it's not a question of numbers - it was a joint effort. The Russians did indeed bear the brunt of the action but they would not have been able to do this without the help of American and British aid. The North Sea convoys were crucial to Russia's war effort. Also, there were the campaigns in North Africa, The Balkans, Sicily and Italy all waged by the Western Allies. These tied up many Axis divisions before the Normandy landings - so it's unfair to say that the USA did nothing in Europe until 1944. Each nation that rose up against Hitler's regime should just accept that they were one cog in the Allied machine. In the 6 years of fighting they all played their part and we should be thankfull that they were able to succeed. |
| kingogre 25.07.2005 11:30 |
well said bob the shrek I agree with everything you write. However I was not saying that the US did nothing, only that it is not right to claim that they saved Europe from Hitler and that the other nations merely helped them. The second world war was a huge disaster for everyone involved. I feel that is something that too often gets lost when it is talked about today. |
| Fenderek 25.07.2005 11:58 |
kingogre wrote: However I was not saying that the US did nothing, only that it is not right to claim that they saved Europe from Hitler and that the other nations merely helped them.Ditto- US helped a lot, Russia had a huge imapct on whate happened- but add England, Poland (we broke the bloody Enigma code, were an influential force during Battle of Britain; general Maczek in Holland, Anhem, Tobruk, Mount Cassino in Italy and so on...) It was a collective effort... Claiming that USA saved Europe is just ridiculous... HELPED- yes. SAVED- definitely not... What is really sad is what happened with Europe (and the whole world) AFTER WWII... |
| Serry... 25.07.2005 12:19 |
Bob The Shrek wrote: 1. The Russian winter of 1941/42 was one of the worst in history - temperatures of -40 every day.Depends on the part of Russia where they were at the moment, actually. I can tell you that usual winter's temperature in Central European part of Russia is -20 or a little bit lower, but in Siberia it can be lower than -50 at the same time! So in the Ukraine or in South of Russia winter's temperatures were much higher than -40. I think it could be about -10 or -5. 'Russian winter' is a myth mostly, than true, winter in Norway, Sweden, Finland can be more colder than in Russia (except our Northern territories, but there not many people lives). Of course it was important factor, but not that important as it states sometimes. |
| Mrs Taylor 05 25.07.2005 12:25 |
Shocking. I think it's disgusting that in this day and age people are thinking like this. It's barbaric. |
| Gecko 25.07.2005 16:47 |
gee, isnt it sad and wrong that 2 teens had to die because of the way they lived..... |
| Guy 25.07.2005 17:05 |
Fenderek wrote:I doubt Britain could hold for much longer without American aid. And with Britain out of the equation, things would look pretty bad in Europe.kingogre wrote: However I was not saying that the US did nothing, only that it is not right to claim that they saved Europe from Hitler and that the other nations merely helped them.Ditto- US helped a lot, Russia had a huge imapct on whate happened- but add England, Poland (we broke the bloody Enigma code, were an influential force during Battle of Britain; general Maczek in Holland, Anhem, Tobruk, Mount Cassino in Italy and so on...) It was a collective effort... Claiming that USA saved Europe is just ridiculous... HELPED- yes. SAVED- definitely not... What is really sad is what happened with Europe (and the whole world) AFTER WWII... You can conclude this stupid arguement by saying that if either one of the major allies (including Russia & the US, of course) weren't fighting, the chances of winning the war would be very low. As you know, the Nazis were not the only army on the other side. |
| Gecko 25.07.2005 18:21 |
im trying to figure out who said the usa saved europe???? if they did save europe, than thats news to me, usa history books state that the victory in WW2 was an allied victory |
| The Real Wizard 28.07.2005 14:08 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:Amen. It's the mideval "we're better than group X so let us be motivated by hatred and intolerance because our God (who is better than your God) says so" mentality.scott__mercury wrote: Even though it's a sin America does not execute gays. Only for a sin that kills another person. The bible says man should not lie down with another man but we tolerate the gays choice to sin. We don't give them the rights that the sodomite countries of Canada, Holland, Belgium and Spain do.Calling them 'sinners' and referring to 'sodomite countries' is exactly the intollerant behaviour that marks organized religion. It's their choice, not yours, you don't have anything to do with their lives. If the churches in this world would finally realize that and accept it, this world would be a better place. |
| Maz 28.07.2005 14:37 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: I guess they still had a sense of humanity WHEN THERE WAS A DEMOCRAT IN THE WHITEHOUSE!!link Democrat in office |
| Bob The Shrek 28.07.2005 14:54 |
link Democrat in office. |
| Guy 28.07.2005 16:55 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Isn't it the same God? Each monotheistic religion only has a different name for God.<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:Amen. It's the mideval "we're better than group X so let us be motivated by hatred and intolerance because our God (who is better than your God) says so" mentality.scott__mercury wrote: Even though it's a sin America does not execute gays. Only for a sin that kills another person. The bible says man should not lie down with another man but we tolerate the gays choice to sin. We don't give them the rights that the sodomite countries of Canada, Holland, Belgium and Spain do.Calling them 'sinners' and referring to 'sodomite countries' is exactly the intollerant behaviour that marks organized religion. It's their choice, not yours, you don't have anything to do with their lives. If the churches in this world would finally realize that and accept it, this world would be a better place. |
| The Real Wizard 29.07.2005 03:06 |
Guy wrote:Yes, but unfortunately, not everyone understands this.Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Isn't it the same God? Each monotheistic religion only has a different name for God.<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:Amen. It's the mideval "we're better than group X so let us be motivated by hatred and intolerance because our God (who is better than your God) says so" mentality.scott__mercury wrote: Even though it's a sin America does not execute gays. Only for a sin that kills another person. The bible says man should not lie down with another man but we tolerate the gays choice to sin. We don't give them the rights that the sodomite countries of Canada, Holland, Belgium and Spain do.Calling them 'sinners' and referring to 'sodomite countries' is exactly the intollerant behaviour that marks organized religion. It's their choice, not yours, you don't have anything to do with their lives. If the churches in this world would finally realize that and accept it, this world would be a better place. I'm really glad to see you posting, Guy! I was wondering what happened to you...! Did you get my email on your birthday? |
| Guy 29.07.2005 04:10 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Thanks, and no, I didn't get it...Guy wrote:Yes, but unfortunately, not everyone understands this. I'm really glad to see you posting, Guy! I was wondering what happened to you...! Did you get my email on your birthday?Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Isn't it the same God? Each monotheistic religion only has a different name for God.<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:Amen. It's the mideval "we're better than group X so let us be motivated by hatred and intolerance because our God (who is better than your God) says so" mentality.scott__mercury wrote: Even though it's a sin America does not execute gays. Only for a sin that kills another person. The bible says man should not lie down with another man but we tolerate the gays choice to sin. We don't give them the rights that the sodomite countries of Canada, Holland, Belgium and Spain do.Calling them 'sinners' and referring to 'sodomite countries' is exactly the intollerant behaviour that marks organized religion. It's their choice, not yours, you don't have anything to do with their lives. If the churches in this world would finally realize that and accept it, this world would be a better place. |
| The Real Wizard 29.07.2005 04:24 |
Booo... Well, come onto MSN some time! We need to catch up. :) |
| Guy 29.07.2005 05:29 |
:) I don't think I even have MSN installed, but I'll see what I can do :P |
| KEVPAR 29.07.2005 06:59 |
***note to self...avoid islamic countries*** Kev x |
| Treasure Moment 01.08.2005 15:01 |
im glad didnt live in iran coz they would have killed him,he was iranian after all. |
| Treasure Moment 01.08.2005 16:06 |
i mean freddie was iranian,its good that he didnt live in iran. |
| Mercuryworks 01.08.2005 16:07 |
Atheist wrote: i mean freddie was iranian,its good that he didnt live in iran.Was that a joke. Freddie was from Zanzibar, AFRICA |
| Treasure Moment 01.08.2005 16:14 |
its not a joke,he was a persian=iranian,he was born in zanzibar but was an iranian,both his parents are iranian. |
| Maz 01.08.2005 19:53 |
ThomasQuinn wrote:What are earth are you talking about, Caspar?Zeni wrote:You don't honestly call Johnson a true democrat, do you? He only ran for the democrats because they were willing to give him a chance!ThomasQuinn wrote: I guess they still had a sense of humanity WHEN THERE WAS A DEMOCRAT IN THE WHITEHOUSE!!link Democrat in office Johnson's hero was Franklin Roosevelt, the man who almost single handedly revolutionized the concepts of the Democratic Party in the twentieth century. Johnson spent much of his six years in office trying to be FDR. Besides, Bob showed another link to a Democrat's ''sense of humanity.'' Are you going to argue that Truman, too, was a closet Republican? What, pray tell, is a ''true democrat''? |
| iron eagle 01.08.2005 20:11 |
viva the revolution!!! of history, love, life and liberty! |
| *3*Playful as a pussycat 02.08.2005 10:56 |
that's it! i'm going hippie.... |
| Maz 02.08.2005 13:04 |
whatever, TQ |
| *3*Playful as a pussycat 02.08.2005 15:25 |
anybody have any grass...? |
| wstüssyb 02.08.2005 15:37 |
Economic Left/Right: -5.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.87 In tune with gandhi...Hmmm |
| Carol! the Musical 07.08.2005 15:38 |
Damn!!! Why do people have anything against gay people?!!! It gets me so mad!!! |
| troupersuper 08.08.2005 01:10 |
anti-gay people always bring up the weak point that the bible condemns homosexuality etc.. I think the pro-gay people should use the bible in defending homosexuality by stating that there must be something to the fact that jesus hung around 12 dudes all the time. something must have been going on. i think mary magdelen was there just to do the laundry. serpent jesus, snake of christ nailed to a cross of holy design blood to water, water to wine whip the soul til a mother cries bring it down, pierce the side start the legend with a funeral rite serpent jesus, snake of christ gonna build you a world of lies |
| Guy 08.08.2005 02:12 |
troupersuper wrote: anti-gay people always bring up the weak point that the bible condemns homosexuality etc.. I think the pro-gay people should use the bible in defending homosexuality by stating that there must be something to the fact that jesus hung around 12 dudes all the time. something must have been going on. i think mary magdelen was there just to do the laundry. serpent jesus, snake of christ nailed to a cross of holy design blood to water, water to wine whip the soul til a mother cries bring it down, pierce the side start the legend with a funeral rite serpent jesus, snake of christ gonna build you a world of liesYou give the pro-gay a bad name, mister. |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 08.08.2005 07:49 |
<font color=black>andylamb_38 wrote: link I'm interested to see where some people are on this. I'm 3 left, 2 down.Economic Left/Right: -0.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.03 |
| deleted user 08.08.2005 09:26 |
You got a feeling qwich you can't help, and perhaps you despite yourself for feeling it. it is discoverd, your family and friends despite you. You are brought in the wagon to be eliminated. you stand up see the ropes, and you know what will happen. you stand on the block, your being blinded, and the dark view forms the image of horror. I thaught we left these things behind us 60 years ago, when the nazis where defeated. But apparatnyl it doesn't matter wether the nazis are destroyed cause the useless executions will still go on. this is barbarian. I can't really handle with gay people, but that is MY problem not anyone elses. I should learn how to handle with them, as long as they can handle with themselves. This news really schocks me, THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I DON'T WATCH THE NEWS ON ANYMORE |
| deleted user 08.08.2005 09:31 |
I even think the bible and the koran are just fantasies of people to have idiotic reasons for killing. I believe in a god, and the god I believe in doesn't feels any need to be worshipped. And only wants the best for the people. A god isn't a good if it wants power, cause power is a poison that rules out the human hearts. A god is wise. Someone who get's horny from power isn't wise. |
| Guy 08.08.2005 12:50 |
<font color=black>The Lord Of Darkness wrote: This news really schocks me, THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I DON'T WATCH THE NEWS ON ANYMORESorry, but that's really stupid. |
| Fireplace 08.08.2005 18:39 |
<font color=black>The Lord Of Darkness wrote: I can't really handle with gay people, but that is MY problem not anyone elses. I should learn how to handle with them, as long as they can handle with themselves.Who told you gay people need to be "handled" or should handle themselves? If you think that different behavioral rules should apply to gay people, please stay away from them. And no, I am not gay. |
| Saint Jiub 08.08.2005 21:37 |
Economic Left/Right: -1.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79 |
| Mr.Jingles 08.08.2005 22:24 |
Economic Left/Right: -0.13 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.95 Damn, I'm becoming a libertarian like Bill Maher or Trey Parker & Matt Stone. Now I know why I like those sick dudes so much. |
| pma 09.08.2005 02:59 |
Economic Left/Right: -4.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.18 Libertarian left... In all honesty I'm a hard-liner-right-wing-populist. I think the best housing solution for drifters, hobo's, druggies and other hippies is 6ft under the ground. It's the economic and natural solution... Oh and work makes us free... Bitches! |
| @ndy38 09.08.2005 05:31 |
i had a friend who was very close to Hitler on the compass :| |
| deleted user 09.08.2005 06:10 |
Fireplace wrote:I meant that I think they got quite a job with finding out who they are. Self-respect. Hope you understand what I mean.<font color=black>The Lord Of Darkness wrote: I can't really handle with gay people, but that is MY problem not anyone elses. I should learn how to handle with them, as long as they can handle with themselves.Who told you gay people need to be "handled" or should handle themselves? If you think that different behavioral rules should apply to gay people, please stay away from them. And no, I am not gay. |
| deleted user 09.08.2005 06:12 |
Guy wrote:Cause every day the humanity seems to manage another way to schock me completely by cruelty and stupidity. And it upsets me ass hell. It really get's me, but I can't change anybody with just getting mad so I just stop watching the news.<font color=black>The Lord Of Darkness wrote: This news really schocks me, THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I DON'T WATCH THE NEWS ON ANYMORESorry, but that's really stupid. |
| deleted user 09.08.2005 06:15 |
<font color=black>andylamb_38 wrote: i had a friend who was very close to Hitler on the compass :|Luckely you said HAD. |
| Guy 09.08.2005 08:09 |
<font color=black>The Lord Of Darkness wrote:You can't change anything by getting mad, you got that right. But "disconnecting" yourself from what happens in the world merely because it's not pleasant is a stupid way of thinking.Guy wrote:Cause every day the humanity seems to manage another way to schock me completely by cruelty and stupidity. And it upsets me ass hell. It really get's me, but I can't change anybody with just getting mad so I just stop watching the news.<font color=black>The Lord Of Darkness wrote: This news really schocks me, THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I DON'T WATCH THE NEWS ON ANYMORESorry, but that's really stupid. |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 09.08.2005 09:29 |
<font color=black>The Lord Of Darkness wrote: I can't really handle with gay people, but that is MY problem not anyone elses. I should learn how to handle with them, as long as they can handle with themselves.Huh? How does one "handle" gay people? I'd like to handle Brian Epstein... Mmmm. |