| Mr.Jingles 19.07.2005 11:23 |
I just caught Freddie's voice going completely out of tune on the Earl's Court '77 performance of 'Death On Two Legs'. Pay attention to the part where he says... " You're just an overgrown SCHOOHHOL BOHHHY!! " |
| FriedChicken 19.07.2005 11:27 |
His voice fucked up all the time. he sucked live |
| deleted user 19.07.2005 11:34 |
And there are people who think Earls Court is Queen's best performance. |
| dimcyril 19.07.2005 12:27 |
all singers make mistakes live. it is unavoidable when singing loud rock music. and impossible [especially when doing long tours] to be in perfect tuning all the time. they are using their body, so it is like a sportsman at the end of a long season, their bodies are knackered i personally have never heard a better live rock singer than freddie mercury. picking out one or two lines where a singer is out of tune is rather petty in my opinion. |
| doremi 19.07.2005 12:54 |
Even at Live Aid, on WATC, on the end chorus, he goes out of tune. I notice it every time. But his overall performance of that song, and the entire set list, his voice, showmanship...all make that a momentary miniscule molehill. |
| Lester Burnham 19.07.2005 12:55 |
You bastards. Freddie was the very definition of perfection! How dare you criticize him! YOU try getting up in front of thousands of people every night and try not to fuck up! Good lord, you'd think you people never sang in a rock band before! You should be burned alive at the stake! I hope you... Eh, my sarcasm wore out. |
| Lord Fickle 19.07.2005 13:05 |
The occasional unexpected 'yodle' must be every professional singers nightmare, but it happens, and they forget it and get on with the show. Freddie was one of the greatest vocalists of our time, but everyone fucks up once in a while. The worst one I heard Freddie do was on the original boot of Milton Keynes, during Fat Bottoms, when he went right off during the line "Ain't no beauty queens in this lOOOcality". Fortunately, it was repaired for the official release. |
| Mr.Jingles 19.07.2005 13:21 |
Yodeling was completely prohibited for rock/pop singers until Jewel came along... ...then it was OK to yodel as long as there were a nice pair of melons to look at. |
| Lord Fickle 19.07.2005 13:23 |
Yodel or yodle - now there's a question! |
| mercuryrocks 19.07.2005 13:34 |
FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: His voice fucked up all the time. he sucked liveDo you mean that?? If you do, are you musical at all? I think not! |
| Sharon G. 19.07.2005 13:35 |
Freddie was the greatest rock singer of all time.! |
| Mr.Jingles 19.07.2005 13:37 |
Sharon G. wrote: Freddie was the greatest rock singer of all time.!...FOR ME TO POOP ON!! Sorry, I just couldn't help doing a Triumph, The Insult Comic Dog impression. |
| its_a_hard_life 19.07.2005 13:40 |
dont give me bullshit about freddies voice being shit u cant even sing so dont even think about critising fred HES THE BEST SINGER IN THE WORLD AND FANTASTIC LIVE SO FUCK OFF WHOEVER SAYS FREDS NOT U NEED TO STOP BEING A PRICK AND START TO LISTEN CARFUL SO WHAT IF HE WAS OUT OF TUNE IN ONE SENTENCE LIKE U CAN DO ANY BETTER!!!!!! flick of the wrist and your dead baby blow him a kiss and your madddddddddddd |
| its_a_hard_life 19.07.2005 13:43 |
Lester Burnham wrote: You bastards. Freddie was the very definition of perfection! How dare you criticize him! YOU try getting up in front of thousands of people every night and try not to fuck up! Good lord, you'd think you people never sang in a rock band before! You should be burned alive at the stake! I hope you... Eh, my sarcasm wore out.THANK U LESTER THERE SHIT WHOEVER SAYS FREDDIE CANT SING LIVE NEED HEARING PLUGS.... flick of the wrist and your dead baby blow him a kiss and your maddddddddddd |
| wstüssyb 19.07.2005 13:48 |
*swoossh* |
| brENsKi 19.07.2005 13:57 |
<font color=black>The Lord Of Darkness wrote: And there are people who think Earls Court is Queen's best performance.not exactly - there are great performances but earls court probably has the best sound quality....and the added nervousness of the band coupled with an interesting setlist makes it a great boot to have - but not their best performance |
| Sharron .G 19.07.2005 13:59 |
Everyone fucks up on stage sometimes... if one or 2 mishaps = sucks then... Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Mick Jagger (out of tune all the fucking time), Pete Townsend, Kiss (whole band sings like dog shit live), Pink Floyd (Gilmour's vocals only sound good live when compared to Waters), Lynyrd Skynyrd (always drunk), Creed (self explanitory), Pearl Jam (see Creed) , Ozzy Osbourne (can't quadruple track is weak voice live), and Steve Tyler all eat donkey balls. I have seen footage of fuck-ups from these listed bands in the last 3 months. I can't believe the Stones are touring again... for the last 20 years, live, Mick and Keif sound like they are playing 2 different songs...every song. |
| doremi 19.07.2005 14:04 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: Yodeling was completely prohibited for rock/pop singers until Jewel came along... ...then it was OK to yodel as long as there were a nice pair of melons to look at.LOL! |
| radio_what's_new 19.07.2005 14:05 |
FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: His voice fucked up all the time. he sucked liveGo wash your mouth, freddie sucked live??? The reason why Queen became so big was the larger than life perfomance freddie gave on stage. His voice is one of the finest in rock history. |
| deleted user 19.07.2005 14:19 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:It's great footage. A nice view on the ADATR tour and it is 2 hours of pure entertainment. Offcourse all in all. But not close to one of their best performances<font color=black>The Lord Of Darkness wrote: And there are people who think Earls Court is Queen's best performance.not exactly - there are great performances but earls court probably has the best sound quality....and the added nervousness of the band coupled with an interesting setlist makes it a great boot to have - but not their best performance |
| its_a_hard_life 19.07.2005 14:20 |
radio_what's_new wrote:U GO RADIO U GO RADIO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO!!!!FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: His voice fucked up all the time. he sucked liveGo wash your mouth, freddie sucked live??? The reason why Queen became so big was the larger than life perfomance freddie gave on stage. His voice is one of the finest in rock history. TELL THEM WHERE TO STICK IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCKING LOONYS.... flick if the wrist and your dead baby blow him a kiss and your maddddddddd |
| mercuryrocks 19.07.2005 14:21 |
radio_what's_new wrote:I so agree with you here, radio_what's_new!! Well said!FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: His voice fucked up all the time. he sucked liveGo wash your mouth, freddie sucked live??? The reason why Queen became so big was the larger than life perfomance freddie gave on stage. His voice is one of the finest in rock history. |
| NOTWMEDDLE 19.07.2005 14:40 |
Sharron .G wrote: Everyone fucks up on stage sometimes... if one or 2 mishaps = sucks then... Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Mick Jagger (out of tune all the fucking time), Pete Townsend, Kiss (whole band sings like dog shit live), Pink Floyd (Gilmour's vocals only sound good live when compared to Waters), Lynyrd Skynyrd (always drunk), Creed (self explanitory), Pearl Jam (see Creed) , Ozzy Osbourne (can't quadruple track is weak voice live), and Steve Tyler all eat donkey balls. I have seen footage of fuck-ups from these listed bands in the last 3 months. I can't believe the Stones are touring again... for the last 20 years, live, Mick and Keif sound like they are playing 2 different songs...every song.Even Geddy Lee screwed up singing on stage. Waters wore headphones to sing in tune as of 1977 to sing in tune. Many artists would flub lyrics and such, even Robert Plant. |
| doremi 19.07.2005 14:54 |
I'll tell you about f**k ups. I have seen The Allman Brothers band more times than you can count. Sometimes they are so f**king brilliant, you wish the concert would never end. er...then you have times such as when Gregg Allman's voice was so hoarse or out of tune that you couldn't hear him,( or didn't WANT to) or they had ass wipe Johnny Neel in the band for about 2 years who played the siganture piano part of Jessica... ...on a crappy SYNTHESIZER that makes Hot Space sound like Beathoven... ...or the whole band was fighting and looked like they wanted to kill one another on stage, or the last time I saw them, when Dickey (the name is so fitting!) Betts was still with them and he was so drunk and stoned that he never played a lick on guitar the entire night and leaned on his amp while smoking. THAT's when I stopped going to see them, at $40 bucks a ticket, quite some years ago. |
| marcio17@queenzone.com 19.07.2005 15:48 |
i totally agree with Arlene R. Weiss and dymciril, everyonemakes mistakes, but Freddie was beyond......anyway it is not very decent talking bad things about a dead man, isnt it? |
| Wet Willie 19.07.2005 15:52 |
Lester Burnham wrote: You bastards. Freddie was the very definition of perfection! How dare you criticize him! YOU try getting up in front of thousands of people every night and try not to fuck up! Good lord, you'd think you people never sang in a rock band before! You should be burned alive at the stake! I hope you... Eh, my sarcasm wore out.Son, I think you need to have a drink. Freddie was the first to aknowledge a bad show. if you listen to as many bootlegs as I have, you'll discover very quickly that some shows can be ssen as the "take the money and run" or if you prefer "Tonight I'm bored doing this again". Every performer - if on long tours - can feel this. It's normal to be bored once in a while. So, have a drink and don't take Freddie so seriousely. |
| rc 19.07.2005 16:00 |
so he screwed up, who gives a damn? |
| Lester Burnham 19.07.2005 16:07 |
Chrirons wrote:Son, I think you need to realize I was being sarcastic and only mocking the inevitable sycophants who were going to come in and defend Freddie (edit: like our dear friend Sharon G. below me). I thought that was painfully obvious by my closing line.Lester Burnham wrote: You bastards. Freddie was the very definition of perfection! How dare you criticize him! YOU try getting up in front of thousands of people every night and try not to fuck up! Good lord, you'd think you people never sang in a rock band before! You should be burned alive at the stake! I hope you... Eh, my sarcasm wore out.Son, I think you need to have a drink. Freddie was the first to aknowledge a bad show. if you listen to as many bootlegs as I have, you'll discover very quickly that some shows can be ssen as the "take the money and run" or if you prefer "Tonight I'm bored doing this again". Every performer - if on long tours - can feel this. It's normal to be bored once in a while. So, have a drink and don't take Freddie so seriousely. |
| Sharon G. 19.07.2005 16:13 |
I would have paid to watch Freddie stand and recite the ABC's on stage.!!!! |
| onevsion 19.07.2005 17:03 |
FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: His voice fucked up all the time. he sucked liveLOL |
| luthorn 19.07.2005 17:36 |
FYI Freddie didn't suck live, he sucked cock. |
| Suigi 19.07.2005 17:50 |
If he stank live, then I say move along, get another bootleg. He's allowed to have the occasional off-night. 'Sides...even on his Monday worst, he still beats everyone pants-down. |
| Tim June 19.07.2005 19:22 |
Freddie Mercury was so good. I like Paul Rodgers very much, but Freddie Mercury is a own disciplin, he acts like a god. I don't believe in religion but if there is something special outside , I'm shure Freddie have it. There are a just a few in Rock, like Jim Morrison, John Lennon, Paul Di' Anno, Nina Hagen or even Johnny Rotten there have this magic flair and stood for themselves. Naturally, Fred messed up his voice live sometimes... he doesn't sing high keys at all, but consider how surprising wonderful and really exciting Paul sounds on the European tour... and how much better Freddie was. Never seen Freddie live - is my biggest loss in my life, forever. Excuse me for my horrible English, I'm not a native speaker. |
| Smitty 19.07.2005 19:28 |
In Earl's Court I liked when Freddie, Roger, and Brian were singing "Find me Somebody to Love..." and they were all off time so it was like "find me-me so-somebody t-to lo-love..." |
| Tim June 19.07.2005 19:39 |
"Somebody to love" from Earls Court (video) is one of my all time Queen favourites. Especially the line "I'm okay I'm alright" brings shivers down my spine. Milton Keynes SOMEBODY TO LOVE is great but Earls Court sounds in my ears even better. Also Doing Alright is a real killer. Excuse me for my bad grammair and words, I'm a lazy German. |
| Wet Willie 20.07.2005 03:19 |
Son, I think you need to realize I was being sarcastic and only mocking the inevitable sycophants who were going to come in and defend Freddie (edit: like our dear friend Sharon G. below me). I thought that was painfully obvious by my closing line.Son, I'm glad we're on the same team. Mine's a large Guiness, please. What are you having? |
| Atheïst 20.07.2005 07:33 |
I am quite surprised that no one gives the credit to Paul Rodgers for singing absolutely on key at all times during the two concerts I have seen (antwerp and arnhem). Immediately after the show in Antwerp I really felt that Paul Rodgers might even be a better singer than Freddie was live. But Freddie just had something more than just a nice voice. |
| Wet Willie 20.07.2005 08:06 |
davidcoppens wrote: I am quite surprised that no one gives the credit to Paul Rodgers for singing absolutely on key at all times during the two concerts I have seen (antwerp and arnhem). Immediately after the show in Antwerp I really felt that Paul Rodgers might even be a better singer than Freddie was live. But Freddie just had something more than just a nice voice.Not agreeing on that one David ;-) I was at the Antwerp gig and though it was nice to see B&R play, Paul is good on most tracks... but AKOM did get the hairs on my neck twisting and turning. That's the only song he - included in the set list - he shouldn't have done. And... what does Freddie have more than just the nice voice??? ;-) |
| @ndy38 20.07.2005 08:24 |
Freddie was a fantastic singer live.... end of story its only natural for him to fuck up occasionaly |
| Atheïst 20.07.2005 09:33 |
Why did AKOM make your hairs stand up? He was not out of key as far as I heard, it was just not fast enough. Compare the current version of AKOM with the one of Wembley 86 and it is obvious that at wembley it is played far faster, making the whole song more energetic (same holds for most songs actually, maybe because Paul does not like singing at a high speed) |
| Bobby_brown 20.07.2005 09:36 |
Freddie didn't want to repeat the CD performance. He was seeking something new everytime, so it's normal if in the middle of that excitement he fucked up the performance. I think that the only Queen member that never screwd a live performance was John Deacon so... It's just rock'n'roll, enjoy it!! Take care |
| Farlander 20.07.2005 09:43 |
Freddie was NOT a good singer live. He was constantly out of tune, he squeaked all over the place, his enunciation was very poor, and list goes on. Honestly, I wouldn't even know it was the same guy singing on the albums, where it was absolute perfection. Don't get me wrong, Freddie put on an amazing live show, but the actual singing was simply not that good. |
| its_a_hard_life 20.07.2005 09:48 |
Farlander wrote: Freddie was NOT a good singer live. He was constantly out of tune, he squeaked all over the place, his enunciation was very poor, and list goes on. Honestly, I wouldn't even know it was the same guy singing on the albums, where it was absolute perfection. Don't get me wrong, Freddie put on an amazing live show, but the actual singing was simply not that good.you fool i wish you never wrote that you make me so sick from what you have just said HE WAS THE BEST LIVE AND HE CAN SING BETTER THEN ANYONE OF US HERE ON QUEEN SITE SO LEAVE FREDDIE ALONE IN PEACE HES ALREADY BEEN THROUGH ALOT FOR GOD SAKE! |
| Wet Willie 20.07.2005 10:09 |
davidcoppens wrote: Why did AKOM make your hairs stand up? He was not out of key as far as I heard, it was just not fast enough. Compare the current version of AKOM with the one of Wembley 86 and it is obvious that at wembley it is played far faster, making the whole song more energetic (same holds for most songs actually, maybe because Paul does not like singing at a high speed)it's not the speed of the song, more the way Paul sung it. I know he'd had a few throat problems the two or three previous shows, and that may be the reason. But I got the feeling he couldn't quite get the high(ish) notes. He seemd to be struggling a little. I was with a couple of friends and we all seemed to agree. Just one song is not bad - especially when we're used to a certain type of voice singing these songs. So hats off to Paul, but he didn't quite get it out of the bag on AKOM. |
| sdferertg 20.07.2005 10:11 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: I just caught Freddie's voice going completely out of tune on the Earl's Court '77 performance of 'Death On Two Legs'.And during The Millionaire Waltz... And during Prophet's Song... Great concert anyway! But not the best in my opinion 'cause Freddie wasn't in top shape and he had some mic problems. Houdoe, GaLiLe0 |
| Wet Willie 20.07.2005 10:12 |
Farlander wrote: Freddie was NOT a good singer live. He was constantly out of tune, he squeaked all over the place, his enunciation was very poor, and list goes on. Honestly, I wouldn't even know it was the same guy singing on the albums, where it was absolute perfection. Don't get me wrong, Freddie put on an amazing live show, but the actual singing was simply not that good.Did you see Queen live, then? If all you got as reference for the live recordings is Live Killers, I agree (to a point). But get your hands on these and you'll sing a different tune - I promise: 1: Milton '82 2: Budapest '86 3: Koln '74 4: Japan 1975... I forgot the date on that one. |
| tilomagnet 20.07.2005 10:41 |
IMO Freddie's best vocal performances were during the Crazy Tour, he's in incredible voice on the shows I've heard so far, much better than he was during the Live Killers tour earlier in the same year. |
| sdferertg 20.07.2005 10:41 |
tilomagnet wrote: IMO Freddie's best vocal performances were during the Crazy Tour, he's in incredible voice on the shows I've heard so far, much better than he was during the Live Killers tour earlier in the same year.Indeed. Houdoe, GaLiLe0 |
| queen25465555 20.07.2005 11:23 |
how can you call youereselfs queen fans everytime i come on this forum you are complaining and critising every thing queen do have done there songs there personalitys everything about queen i admit queen arent perfect but you just comlain and mock everything they do and how can you say about freddies voice messes up not f$5k up you idiot what you think elvises and bonos voice never messes up and how you can say the songs on the killer queen album are better than queens origonal is shamefull you dont have the write to call youreselfes queen fans and paul rodgers is a good singer and you would have complained who thay had |
| queen25465555 20.07.2005 11:25 |
and freddie was voted the best singer on vh1 |
| luthorn 20.07.2005 11:55 |
One thing worth noting is that Freddie actually sang live, unlike modern artists who use pre-recorded tapes and lip sing to help themselves sing better. I would never pay money to go to a show to watch some fuck sing to the tape. I'd rather watch Freddie 'fuck up' all night long, though he rarely did, than watch some dip shit lip sing flawlessly. |
| Mr.Jingles 20.07.2005 12:02 |
Some Queen fans take things too damn seriously. Freddie was human, and like one he (rarely) made mistakes while singing live. So what if we make fun of his "vocal malfuncitions" a bit. Lighten up people!! |
| Gunpowder Gelatine 20.07.2005 13:11 |
Better vocal malfunctions than wardrobe malfunctions, though! Anyway, to everyone getting so defensive...a singer can't perform thousands of shows and never make mistakes, unless they're a robot. It's just physically impossible to be perfect with those odds. Freddie was an amazing singer and performer, but even he makes mistakes! |
| on my way up 20.07.2005 13:15 |
I consider freddie to be the best.Maybe paul rodgers is always in tune,but to me he fucked up Bohemian Rhapsody at the end(I don't know if he does that in every concert but it surely was in antwerp),he wanted to impress people but he lost the right emotion and just ruined that great version.Freddie knew very good to play with words during his songs.Always at the right time he would sing something(like during a kind of magic:a little bit of magic,everyone)the emotion you get is great.He did also sing very different songs during one show(staying power followed by somebody to love for example)he easily makes the switch.Paul for one can't sing as many different styles(like' a kind of magic 'proves)when his voice was great he was the absolute best(live aid,budapest,milton keynes,crazy tour especially newcastle and so many other great gigs where he is astounding).Another important thing is his incredible power:listen to the best versions of now I'm here and other rockers.At wembley he is far from great but still good enough.It's normal that his voice becomes tired.The best you can do is look at his tribute concert.Noone did it as good as freddie and they could choose whatever song they wanted.Robert Plant was really bad there!although I must admit there is probably only one man who can sing his songs like he does:-) |
| Boy Thomas Raker 20.07.2005 13:51 |
For those of you who are sports fans, Tiger Woods won the British Open on the weekend. He won the tournament by 5 shots, a rout against the worlds best golfers. He also hit a lot of really bad shots. The goal is to aim for perfection, to expect it and nitpick on the screwups is unfair. I somehow doubt that there's a topic on "Tiger's shot fuck-ups last weekend." |
| The Fairy King 20.07.2005 19:24 |
Great topic people! :D Nothing to add though, i'm sucky in remembering his fuckups :P Anyway, he was only human, and his voice sucked on stage from time to time, that makes it even better hehehe :) ps. its_a_hard_life and the other Stepford's? *points at u and laughs* |
| bleeding heart show 20.07.2005 19:59 |
Is it becoming a trend these days for the so called "hard core" fans to negatively criticize the band ? |
| Mr.Jingles 21.07.2005 00:05 |
C.old A.qua T.omato wrote: Is it becoming a trend these days for the so called "hard core" fans to negatively criticize the band ?Correct .. and it's also becoming a trend of hard core fans to feel offended for pointing out funny mishaps on stage. Let's get a sense of humor, guys. |
| JasmineXWarrior 21.07.2005 01:04 |
I haven't been here in a really long time. Where did all the Stepford fans come from? Did the other site throw up and leave them all here or something? |
| Mr Drowse 21.07.2005 03:57 |
Freddie was a great singer and a great entertainer. Of course he always sounded perfect on the studio records since he had the possibility to do the various takes over and over until he found the way his vocals sounded perfect. But live it's always a different story. Due to permanent touring and stress on the vocal chords his voice was not always in perfect shape. What should Freddie do these nights? Should he cancel the concert and let his fans down? No. Instead he faced the challenge and overcame his fears of not being able to hit the right note everytime. In fact very brave. Naturally on these nights you'll hear some different singing than on the nights he was in good shape. But when he was having a good night it was perfect and Freddie always knew to represent the songs in a slightly different live rendition. Most nights he was great in my opinion. |
| Saint Jiub 22.07.2005 00:39 |
This is the best wind up thread in along time ... and it was done without continually spreading and perpetuating misinformation. |
| wstüssyb 22.07.2005 00:42 |
It's also one of the best reading topics as well =) |
| My Melancholy Blues 22.07.2005 04:10 |
I also soon noticed it when I first saw that video. Well...singing politely with being accurate to every inch of the score would sound monotonous on the live stages especially while heavy numbers, thinking that one should sing heavy ones emotionally and strikingly over the sounds of electric guitars and drums. About that time, I feel he too strained himself trying to express his emotion as strikingly as he could. But his "over-singing" would be okay because it's Rock...imo, it doesn't matter in the passage of that tune. And again I think Ealrs Court concert is one of their greatest ones from many viewpoints. |
| rwon041 23.07.2005 22:26 |
Hmmm, I tend to agree that live he wasn't that good. (In response to someone saying he sucked live). I mean he's a good singer live undoubtedly but only in the studio did he really come to life. Now inevitably there will be an avalanche of people trumpeting how good he was live and stuff but singers like Axl Rose and Chris Cornell do sound almost as good live as in the studio, for example the Guns & Roses Live Era 87 - 93 cd is amazing, Axl Rose's voice is almost perfect. Now Freddie Mercury, while still sounding very good live, is nowhere near what he was in studio. He usually sings an octave lower and lets Roger Taylor take over the high stuff in We Are The Champions, Another One Bites The Dust. He never does his falsetto on stage either. This is no way detracts from his aura or mystique, he is the best singer ever, but only in the studio. Peace out. |
| mike hunt 24.07.2005 00:39 |
how can you take a person seriously, when you bring up axle rose as a singer, he was one of the worst singer ever live and studio. so disregard the last comments. |
| mike hunt 24.07.2005 00:57 |
i think the person who originally wrote this discussion was simply bringing up some harmless fuck ups, in no way did he say freddie sucked live, i think anyone paying attention knows freddie had his ups and downs, but way more ups, 'live aid' was simply one of the best live performes ever from a rock singer, the rainbow in 74 was one of the best i'v seen, and to put down a great singer by comparing him with crap singers like axle rose and rushes geddy lee (even though i love rush) is show alot of ingnorance, any show from 74 to 77 and 80 to 82 were simply among the greatest any rock singer has ever done from my perspective, but people get a grip, axle and geddy are not in the same world as freddie, wake up. |
| john bodega 24.07.2005 01:35 |
As is to be expected he was better earlier in the show than later. For instance, (I'll just say Wembley '86 because most people have seen it?) during One Vision his voice is in better shape and sounds better than in Big Spender (near the other end of the show). he even hits those crazy high notes he missed in Budapest. Ok - not album quality but cut the guy a break, he was 40 and it was a LONG LONG European tour. As for Earls Court - brilliant show. Despite pitch problems (during songs like Death on Two Legs) it's a great bloody show, the guy was on fire. On some tracks, I swear the band is playing at album quality (even if the singing wavers from time to time). Consider Bring Back that Leroy Brown. It almost sounds like a karaoke track. Seriously, I would pay no mind to Freddie's voice fuck ups. Go and pick on that twit Robbie Williams. A Walking Fuck-up. |
| Mr.Jingles 24.07.2005 10:04 |
You're right Mike Hunt. My intention was never to diss Freddie or diminish his talent. He was still the best frontman and live performer who has ever existed. I mean, Pele, Maradona, Platini, Cruyff, have all missed penalties. Does that make them less talented players than what we consider they were once? |
| rwon041 25.07.2005 06:39 |
Mike Hunt Did I even remotely suggest that Axl Rose was a better singer than Freddie Mercury or seem to be putting him down by merely mentioning Rose's name? No. All I said was that Axl Rose sounded almost as good live as in the studio whereas Freddie Mercury does not. |
| willem-jan 8923 25.07.2005 07:01 |
rwon041 wrote: Mike Hunt Did I even remotely suggest that Axl Rose was a better singer than Freddie Mercury or seem to be putting him down by merely mentioning Rose's name? No. All I said was that Axl Rose sounded almost as good live as in the studio whereas Freddie Mercury does not.Did you ever listen to bootlegs? I am sure this live era CD is full of overdubs. On bootlegs, Axl sounds very very poor. Actually, one of the worst live-singers I know. |
| mike hunt 25.07.2005 11:52 |
yes, he is one of the worst, i don't care if people disagree on plant or mercury or paul rodgers, even labrie from dream theater as someone mentioned, but axle? you obviously don't know the art of singing, as far as freddie, anyone who knows about queen knows freddie never wanted to sound like the record, in his own words he said "that's boring" actually i think he sounds better at times live, listen to 'play the game' at the bowl, or 'sheer heart attack' are examples of him sounding better live. |
| Mr.Jingles 25.07.2005 12:09 |
I have to say that Axl had his good and bad moments. He could be a hell of a great performer if he felt like it, as well as a complete mediocre asshole if he wasn't in the mood to perform. |
| Lester Burnham 26.07.2005 02:21 |
Chrirons wrote:Jack and Coke for me, please.Son, I think you need to realize I was being sarcastic and only mocking the inevitable sycophants who were going to come in and defend Freddie (edit: like our dear friend Sharon G. below me). I thought that was painfully obvious by my closing line.Son, I'm glad we're on the same team. Mine's a large Guiness, please. What are you having? |
| Sharron .G 26.07.2005 09:19 |
I can't believe people up above have put Freddie and Asshole Rose in the same sentence. Asshole Rose = the luckiest person, with small talent, who simply by chance ended up in a one time huge band. There are people replying on this topic right now whose voice would hold up better on tour than the always late, drunk, and hoarse Asshole Rose. |
| rwon041 26.07.2005 19:34 |
I wasn't aware that Axl's voice was nowhere near as good in bootlegs, and I concede that if this is the case, then he obviously isn't as good live as Freddie. And I believe that I do know a reasonable amount about singing as well, not wishing to incite more negative discussion but I was a bit irked with the disparaging comments saying I know nothing about singing. I wasn't aware that the GnR live cd was (likely to be) heavily overdubbed. At the tribute concert I think Axl did a rather good rendition of the heavy part of Bohemian Rhapsody, he hit the high notes and was on pitch. I disagree regarding stuff like Play The Game at the bowl concert. It sounds much better in studio IMO. And the Live Killers cd also has overdubs if you read that website that has a rather in depth analysis of the recordings from the album, especially on Don't Stop Me Now. Slightly off topic, but does Justin Hawkins sing as high live as he does on the album? I'm rather curious. Peace out. |
| deleted user 27.07.2005 00:17 |
I heard it cracking at the Wembley performance on the 12th, and he wouldn't sing as high as normal. And his voice cracks when he says sunshine on To Much Love Will Kill You..but I still love him... and I love his swearing at the wembley... |
| luthorn 27.07.2005 23:49 |
rwon041 you are right about the performance of Axle at the tribute concert. I think he did great! I am not a fan of GnR in particular but I like to listen to them sometimes. In any way Freddie had a great voice. |
| Bort Flancrest 30.07.2005 21:41 |
The fact that he sung songs differently is what makes listening to bootlegs interesting. If he sung just like the albums, with the band all playing like the albums, why would we bother listening to them live? |
| mike hunt 31.07.2005 09:05 |
that's a great point, queen never tried to sound exackly like the album, anyone who knows anything about the band knows this, and i still think queen's live version of 'sheer heart attack' and 'somebody to love' will give the studio versions a run for it's money, but anyone who actually thinks axle is a great singer obviously knows very little, and by the way, i cringed when i heard axle fuck up those queen classics. slash was the true talent of "roses" just because brian praises axle doesn't mean shit, he praises everyone, including robbie williams, britney spears and the rest of the crap. thank god he chose a great singer in paul rodgers to sing these classics. to end this, wannabe queenzoners never seem to amaze me, the majority of ya know nothing about music, the next thing "41" will say is "joey ramone" or "cobain" was a greater guitar player than hendrix, clapton or brian may, it would be typical. oh, i'm sure you think "cobain" was a better singer than mercury. wake up people, your reading the "rolling stone" to much. get a grip. i also have fav fuck ups, but to say freddie wasn't a great live singer, give me a break. axle=sucks. |
| ARMANDO MARTINEZ 31.07.2005 19:23 |
Good Heavens,Axl Rose is a "screamer" not a singer! (For those who live in México, there is this T.V. show called "El chavo del ocho"-"The kid from No. 8", there is a sidekick of the main character called "la chilindrina" -Don't ask what it means-every time she started weeping,it got me thinking about Axl Rose's singing skills!ha, ha.)He screams as if somebody was squeezing his nuts real hard! By the way,He is just a Freddie Mercury wanna-be!(he has stated Freddiee's influence on him several times)That's why he's nowhere to be found nusically speaking! Freddie is dead but he's truly ALIVE, Axl is alive but he's truly DEAD! "Don't take ofence at my innuendo" |
| PainPleasure 31.07.2005 22:10 |
FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: His voice fucked up all the time. he sucked liveAre you mad? Go out there and try singing in front of 70000 people and come back doing stupid comments like that...asshole. |
| rwon041 31.07.2005 23:41 |
"wannabe queenzoners never seem to amaze me, the majority of ya know nothing about music, the next thing "41" will say is "joey ramone" or "cobain" was a greater guitar player than hendrix, clapton or brian may, it would be " Mike Hunt, no one on this forum has even come even close to suggesting anything like you've mentioned. Majority of us know nothing about music, somehow implying that you know a great deal more than the rest of us? You might not mean that but then again you might, in which case, get over yourself. PainPleasure, I totally agree with you that the guy who said Freddie sucked live is wrong but calling him an asshole? lol, depth of feelings run pretty deep round here. Ok then, general synopsis. Freddie Mercury was a really good live singer, much better than Axl Rose. I personally think that he couldn't have sung the songs like he did on the albums because that would be too difficult for him as they encompass alot of falsetto and really high notes in head voice and that obviously puts a great strain on his vocal chords, I mean looking at the queenconcerts.com website and the incredible number of live shows he performed it's not suprising that he wouldn't want to try sound as good as the albums for the sake of preserving his voice. There are a few times when he was spot on, such as Live Aid, and I think that since he knew the whole world was watching he put in a great vocal performance. Newcastle 1979 was also a good show. But more often than not, if a song had a really high note on the album (i.e. Under Pressure, falsetto on Somebody To Love) then he wouldn't do it, as it was too hard for him to produce on stage each time. Peace out everyone. |
| mike hunt 01.08.2005 01:09 |
"Martinez" you bring up the point i'm trying to make, "41" and some others don't get it, there's a difference between singing and screaming, some think axle's smreaming and high pitch wining is somehow singing, when in fact he's screaming, even when freddie is not hitting those high notes, and his voice is cracking, at least he's singing, it's easy for a screamer to scream than a singer to somehow be perfect. as far as thinking i'm better than the rest of queenzoners is simply not true, some yes, maybe even most, but not even close to all. you didn't hear me try and put down the original "fuck up" poster, why? because i know Mr. jingles knows his shit, even if he somehow agreed with you. |
| ARMANDO MARTINEZ 01.08.2005 14:07 |
I totally agree with your point of view Mike Hunt! |
| FriedChicken 01.08.2005 20:46 |
FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: His voice fucked up all the time. he sucked live Go wash your mouth, freddie sucked live??? The reason why Queen became so big was the larger than life perfomance freddie gave on stage. His voice is one of the finest in rock history. Come on, being a fan doesn't mean you cant be criticing. He never sang the high notes and always muffled them aways by singing a lower note. And a lot of his high note singing sounded like screams, especially in the later years (Magic tour: Lap of the Gods, and Hammer to Fall for example) And performance is not just singing. Robert Plant is also a great performer, but he wasn't great live. I didn't mean that Freddie sucked, that was a wrong choice of words. But he definatly wasn't the great singer he was in the studio. And definatly isn't one of the best live singers of all time. I do think he has one of the nicest souding voices of all time. But thats too different things |
| rwon041 02.08.2005 19:16 |
amen to that FriedChicken. I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY AXL ROSE WAS BETTER THAN FREDDIE, I'm just saying his live voice sounded more like his studio voice. And Mike Hunt, your forum contributions are always a good read so keep them coming. |
| Maruga 02.08.2005 20:47 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: I just caught Freddie's voice going completely out of tune on the Earl's Court '77 performance of 'Death On Two Legs'. Pay attention to the part where he says... " You're just an overgrown SCHOOHHOL BOHHHY!! "Maybe your favourite singer is Robbie Williams, ASSHOLE!!!. All singers when they perform live they're out of tune. If you watch Live 8, maybe you saw Roger Waters sang very out of tune. From Chile. |
| Penis - Vagina 03.08.2005 02:05 |
I didn't realize Roger Waters was actually performing from Chile. They did an amazing job making it look like a real reunion though. But that would explain being out of tune, you know, with the satellite delays and all.. But Freddie's screw-ups make him all the more charming in my opinion. I'll never understand why his piano flubs were left intact on the albums though. Ever heard the karaoke mix of Don't Stop Me Now? The fruity monster-toothed bastard must have really been having an off day. Charming though. |
| Little_Queenie 03.08.2005 07:34 |
FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: His voice fucked up all the time. he sucked liveYou've always been such a joker :)))) |
| Mr.Jingles 03.08.2005 09:24 |
Maruga_Mercury wrote:Geez, chill out!! Just because I point out that Freddie fucked up on stage, doesn't mean that I think he's a horrible singer.Mr.Jingles wrote: I just caught Freddie's voice going completely out of tune on the Earl's Court '77 performance of 'Death On Two Legs'. Pay attention to the part where he says... " You're just an overgrown SCHOOHHOL BOHHHY!! "Maybe your favourite singer is Robbie Williams, ASSHOLE!!!. All singers when they perform live they're out of tune. If you watch Live 8, maybe you saw Roger Waters sang very out of tune. From Chile. C'mon, this is one of the most interesting threads that we've had in a long time, because it takes us away from the now so cliche posts about "Freddie being the grestest frontman/singer of all time", which by now are getting boring. I seriously think he was indeed the greatest frontman ever, but it doesn't hurt anyone to remember a funny mishap when Freddie had a rooster moment. |
| Maruga 03.08.2005 13:58 |
Well, i think Freddie was, is and will be the most spectacular singer, no just for sing, that includes a lot of other stuffs (movement, show, etc.) Axl Rose is an example of a singer who sing out of tune. Freddie mix the movements with an spectacular voice, and that is very unique. Greetings from Chile. |
| Freddie F 06.08.2005 05:25 |
Give me only one singer who never had fuck-ups on stage! Roger Daltrey, Robert Plant, Mick Jagger, every great singer had fuck-ups! In the studio, you have plenty of other chances to re-do your vocal tracks, but not live and that's why live work is always the ultimate test of truth for a singer, and Freddie was simply a winner. His bum notes will always be better than Axl Rose's great ones (this guy doesn't match even Ozzy Osbourne, needless to say). |
| Killerfan 08.08.2005 01:56 |
now that is REALLY awaste of time.Yes Freddie was guilty of the occasional clunker,vocally,but most singers wouldn't even attempt to sing Queen's music.Freddie's vocals are at a very high register and to sing night in and night out perfectly while running around ,Dude get real!The world knows Freddie was one of the gfreatest rock vocalist ever.That said,I wish Queen would have utilised backing vocalists for there tours after '74 I really think as great as they were live there studio music relied heavily on harmonies and they just couldn't reproduce that live,I think there live performances sounded a bit like something was missing and it was usually the rich harmonies.If I have heard correctly they are using back-up singers on the current tour.Correcrt me if I am wrong. |
| kagezan1313 09.08.2005 15:48 |
One singer who never fucked up on stage? I'll give you 2: Milli and Vanilli! Vocal cords are controlled by muscles and muscles get fatigued eventually. If you want studio-perfect sound, stay home and listen to the LP. If you want to see the human beings behind the music, go to a live show. Freddie gave his all every night - who gives a shit if his mortal instrument couldn't keep up with his immortal will. |
| doremi 09.08.2005 17:07 |
I just read in USA Today that on the Opening night of Coldplay's USA tour in Connecticut a few days ago, singer Chris martin FORGOT the words to one of his own songs. So...shit happens. :-) |
| Mr.Jingles 10.08.2005 10:39 |
I can't believe people are still offended about this topic. I've mentioned countless of times that I think that Freddie was without a doubt one of the greatest singers of all time, but yet still people just get all frisky. |
| Bijou in Queen's crown 10.08.2005 11:14 |
For God's sake. Freddie Mercury was known for being a briliantly powerful live singer. Occasionley he had a few hiccups like on 'Who Wants To Live Forever?' at Wembley '86. So what? 'Singers' now couldn't sing live for their life so stop critiscing every little thing! |
| deleted user 10.08.2005 20:05 |
PainPleasure wrote:Niek never claims to be a good singer, Freddie does.FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: His voice fucked up all the time. he sucked liveAre you mad? Go out there and try singing in front of 70000 people and come back doing stupid comments like that...asshole. |
| deleted user 10.08.2005 20:11 |
Little_Queenie wrote:He's honestFriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: His voice fucked up all the time. he sucked liveYou've always been such a joker :)))) |
| mike hunt 11.08.2005 02:16 |
it's funny someone mentioned "who want's to live forever," when his voice cracked in the beginning of the song, that's a great example of a fuck up, but, it's still one of my favorite live songs ever. he makes up for that one bad moment in great style, i think freddie's operatic voice was at it's strongest for the remainder of that song. |
| isly 12.08.2005 11:16 |
Thank you baby! |
| isly 12.08.2005 11:19 |
Thank you lee, but take it easy, do you want to go under a heart attack as well? |
| isly 12.08.2005 11:24 |
Dear sulphur, you're great at details, so go on selective wit. You're a musician, aren't you? |
| isly 12.08.2005 11:33 |
baby your english is perfect because real! |
| isly 12.08.2005 11:41 |
dear thee fairy............i enjoy your bathconcert everyday, this is one political-social and even surprising issue! don't cry for fre every time, you'll gonna be tired! |
| Fenderek 12.08.2005 11:47 |
Oh, summer holiday has started... |
| isly 12.08.2005 11:50 |
dear, be quite, everybody knows your favourite participation to N.Y jazz durin' D.Shurr live. I saw you looking good with those splendid ears of your!A wonderful sight |
| ..Aymz.. 12.08.2005 11:51 |
Nobody is FANTASTIC singing live. Its all the techno business which make them sound fab on records. Its cuz they have to shout in the microphone for ppl at the back to hear. |
| isly 12.08.2005 11:59 |
i'd like so much to know them! |
| isly 12.08.2005 12:03 |
what a kind of messy am i doing, but i'm havin fun, i really love you, everybody, i love, looooooooove youuououoouououououououououo! |