| LisaP1965 22.06.2005 14:46 |
Hi this is my first time posting so be gentle with me...I was wondering why there are different versions of Freddie's death??What I can't understand is why the doctor told the people at the house that it would be a few days before Freddie passed when from what I have read is that they called the doctor to come over when freddie went into a coma and his breathing became shallow..that is a sign that the organs are shutting down and that death is near..Plus Mary said that she pretty much stayed by Freddie's bedside but in Jim's book he hardly talks about her..was there hard feelings between them..I'm not trying to get something started I just can't understand all the different stories..plus you must give Mary credit, she didn't write a book but maybe she has enough money thanks to freddie.. |
| deleted user 22.06.2005 16:02 |
... Freddie died in Logan Place without any doctors or Mary |
| Lord Fickle 22.06.2005 16:06 |
LisaP1965 wrote: I'm not trying to get something started...You just wait! LOL! ;) I haven't read Jim's book, but maybe Mary didn't want to be included, or maybe he just wanted to concentrate on his own memories of events? Don't know about the doctor - perhaps he was called twice? Whatever happened, sadly, the end result would have been the same. |
| Suigi 22.06.2005 16:09 |
I STILL BELIEVE! FREDDIE IS CRYOGENICALLY FROZEN UNDERNEATH THE STATUE!!! HE WILL RISE AGAIN! LIKE THE PHOENIX- *gets smacked* OK, I'll be fine. |
| flash00. 22.06.2005 21:26 |
hey lisa welcome!! ive read the hutton book imo i think jim was a little bit jealous of freddie and mary i think he thought he should of been left the house which mary got from what i remember didn't mary slap jim!! hmm, was dave clark there i cant remember i dnt think he was was he? thought it was jim,joe fanelli and peter freestone, |
| Smitty 22.06.2005 21:56 |
flash00. wrote: i think jim was a little bit jealous of freddie and mary i think he thought he should of been left the house which mary gotYou do get that feeling, but if he is sour because of that he would be an ungrateful little...ugh...but Freddie left him enough money to have it so he'd never have to work again in his life. But I've only read excerpts online (because I'm so very cheap ;).) and I have heard things like how Hutton thinks that his relationship with Freddie was a lot more deep that Freddie's relationship with Mary. That may be true. Hutton also talked about how he loved that house. It almost makes you think that Mary didn't want Jim Hutton around in the house as an influence to her kids...maybe? |
| kdj2hot 22.06.2005 22:24 |
I read that Freddie wet himself then Jim and Phoebe debated if they should change him. (This is from Jim's account) Jim Hutton claims he said he said something like "If we don't he'll probably go apeshit when he wakes up" then they changed him, Jim said he felt Freddie slightly try to lift his leg to help out, then he said he was gone,. That was the last thing he did. I don't know about the coma thing either, what's the definition are you using for coma because he wasnt out of it 24/7, the night before the release came out Jim said Freddie told him "Soon everyone will know". Now I didntb read Jim's book, all my info comes from this excerpt of something written by Jim link |
| flash00. 23.06.2005 14:32 |
imo we all know how private freddie was and i think freddie wouldn't be too happy at jim hutton writing a book about there relationship and more, ive read the book and the impression i get is that freddie wanted rid of jim on a lot of ocassions after arguements etc and even when they hadn't been fighting and he used to get mary to do the dumping but always at the last minute he felt sorry for him and changed his mind i mean freddie even moved jim out of his bedroom into a spare room permanent! so ya dont have to be einstien to figure out that the relationship was long gone!!!... jim got the same amount as (employee)peter freestone in the will half a million quid, and mary got the lot and future earnings, that was the real love of his life. |
| doremi 23.06.2005 15:04 |
I'm a bit confused. I read excerpts as well from Jim's book and the part about Freddie wetting himself, and so Jim and Pheobe went to change Freddie..but Freddie had passed away already. So wouldn't that make Jim and Pheobe the last people with Freddie? Why do some sources say Dave Clark was the last person with Freddie? I also have heard incorrect accounts of either Mary or Freddie's parents even being the last ones by his bedside before Freddie passed or as he passed away. Which story is accurate? |
| teleman 23.06.2005 16:15 |
Nobody will ever know for sure except for those who were with him. Anyone who writes a book, knowing he was a private person, is a self serving parasite. Nobody needs to know about Freddie's last moments. Dying is an intimate and personal event. Anyone wanting the details is a voyeur. |
| flash00. 23.06.2005 18:19 |
arlene i'll check i have hutton's book and freestones, his parents wernt there or mary they phoned mary to come she arrived just after, and he was still alive when he wet himself b/c wen they tried to move him etc one of his bones broke and he was in terrible pain, |
| LisaP1965 23.06.2005 18:37 |
I know in Jim's book he says that he took Freddie to the bathroom and Freddie was cross with him and he carried him back to the bed and when he laid him down he heard a crack and Freddie went into a panic...That is such a terrible thing to think about...Freddie must have suffered terribly at the end of his life..Jim wrote about the look on Freddie's face when he died...a look of joy..I have loved queen since the seventies when I was growing up..I have just lately wondered about Freddie's life...I love the whole story behind the music stuff...It's hard to think Freddie would have been 59 years old this birthday... |
| doremi 23.06.2005 19:05 |
Hey Mick Jagger and Paul McCartney are BOTH in their 60's, still look great, and ROCK their asses off! That's what I would like to think Freddie would be doing if he were still alive. |
| Fairy 24.06.2005 05:40 |
Guys, we are all curious about anything that has to do with Freddie, but isn't this going a bit too far? What do we care about him going to the bathroom, about Jim and Peter changing him etc.? Personally I wouldn't like to know my friends would be discussing these things about me if I was the sick one. And yes, if Freddie was still living he would be making the most of life, in whatever way he'd see fit. He used to say that you always need to find something new to do, to drive you forward. |
| kerfuffle87 24.06.2005 06:02 |
Arlene R. Weiss wrote: Hey Mick Jagger and Paul McCartney are BOTH in their 60's, still look great, and ROCK their asses off! That's what I would like to think Freddie would be doing if he were still alive.same here :) though he's most probably still rocking wherever he is ;) |
| flash00. 24.06.2005 13:58 |
kerfuffle87 wrote:yup i agree!!! freddie and kenny everett partying all night lol, i also think he would be furious at them telling the world about him peeing the bed and so on.. but thats whats sell books personal info etc..Arlene R. Weiss wrote: Hey Mick Jagger and Paul McCartney are BOTH in their 60's, still look great, and ROCK their asses off! That's what I would like to think Freddie would be doing if he were still alive.same here :) though he's most probably still rocking wherever he is ;) |
| LisaP1965 24.06.2005 15:11 |
Hi, I was not trying to get into personal info on Freddie...I too feel he would really be upset with his FRIENDS for telling such personal things..I just think the whole thing is sad...at least Mary stayed true... |
| flash00. 24.06.2005 15:56 |
LisaP1965 wrote: Hi, I was not trying to get into personal info on Freddie...I too feel he would really be upset with his FRIENDS for telling such personal things..I just think the whole thing is sad...at least Mary stayed true...dont worry lisa its human nature to want to know things, i'm interested in freddie's last weeks/moments to try and understand more of the true pain and suffering which he battled thru etc.. rarther than reading something like oh freddie died! but there are some people who actualy enjoy and get off on horrible/suffering stories.. so dnt worry i know where ya coming from, |
| flash00. 24.06.2005 16:04 |
hey lisa actualy you should try and get a copy of hutton's book because it is a good read with some funny moments but its very sad, peter freestone's book is a good read too it goes in to great detail about freddie's home and spending...wow the spending!!!! lol |
| LisaP1965 24.06.2005 16:36 |
Hi flash..I have the firestone book, but I can't seem to find the mercury and me book..I have just read excerts from it on the internet..What made me post was all the different stories I have read about Freddie's death..one his family was there, one they were not called because the doctor said he had more time..blah blah blah..Just seems weird..I guess different people remember it differently.I just hope Freddie is at peace.. |
| flash00. 24.06.2005 21:58 |
Barry © wrote: "Why do some sources say Dave Clark was the last person with Freddie?" Some sources said when Freddie died that Kenny Everett was even there.yea i agree with ya, and neither were there, i read last week on a usa site that george michael was visiting freddie in his last days etc.. which is a load of crap as he only met freddie once at live-aid 2nd; at queens 20th in 1990. it just shows what stories get made up, |
| flash00. 24.06.2005 22:02 |
LisaP1965 wrote: Hi flash..I have the firestone book, but I can't seem to find the mercury and me book..I have just read excerts from it on the internet..What made me post was all the different stories I have read about Freddie's death..one his family was there, one they were not called because the doctor said he had more time..blah blah blah..Just seems weird..I guess different people remember it differently.I just hope Freddie is at peace..lisa try this link as you can still buy mercury and me(hutton) link |
| Stoner 11.11.2007 06:27 |
LisaP1965 wrote: Hi, I was not trying to get into personal info on Freddie...I too feel he would really be upset with his FRIENDS for telling such personal things..I just think the whole thing is sad...at least Mary stayed true...These creeps who told such personal things about Freddie after his death deserve to be locked up for slander. God all the sudden all these perverts come out of the woodwork to tell everything little bit of dirt they know on the man. And that woman Mary is also a sicko parasitic bitch. She obviously didn't care about him or she wouldn't have started talking about his "homosexuality" IN DETAIL after he died. Wasn't that something that if it was true, he really wanted to keep private? |
| mizz_smash 12.11.2007 01:52 |
flash00. wrote: imo we all know how private freddie was and i think freddie wouldn't be too happy at jim hutton writing a book about there relationship and more, ive read the book and the impression i get is that freddie wanted rid of jim on a lot of ocassions after arguements etc and even when they hadn't been fighting and he used to get mary to do the dumping but always at the last minute he felt sorry for him and changed his mind i mean freddie even moved jim out of his bedroom into a spare room permanent! so ya dont have to be einstien to figure out that the relationship was long gone!!!... jim got the same amount as (employee)peter freestone in the will half a million quid, and mary got the lot and future earnings, that was the real love of his life.Thats the first thing i thought when i read about the book: how mad Freddie would have been about his personal life being published by someone who he loved. I mean, i reckon jim only did it for the money, attention and symapthy. Even though Freddie and mary broke up, really they will always love each other, no matter what other realation ships formed. RIP Freddie...counting down the days to the anniversary of that fateful day when you left us. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 12.11.2007 09:04 |
mizz_smash wrote: Thats the first thing i thought when i read about the book: how mad Freddie would have been about his personal life being published by someone who he loved. I mean, i reckon jim only did it for the money, attention and symapthy. Even though Freddie and mary broke up, really they will always love each other, no matter what other realation ships formed.Jim, it seemed to me, wrote the book as a way to validate his time with Freddie. In public, Freddie referred to Jim as his gardener and, according to Jim, in private referred to him as his husband. Considering Freddie stated publicly that what he and Mary had was very much like a marriage and that she was the one person he trusted above others, I'd say the hostility toward Mary in Jim's awful book is yet another indication of Jim's (justified?)insecurity. We'll never know for certain how Freddie felt about Jim, but I think it's pretty clear how Freddie felt about Mary. And how she felt/feels about him. |
| Stoner 13.11.2007 14:38 |
Jim and Freddie were probably never even lovers. That sicko probably wrote that book because he wanted people to think they were lovers. He probably fantasized about Freddie. Ever had someone you can't stand spread rumors around about you that they dated you, even slept with you and even goes into great detail everything you supposedly did together-- when actually you never even gave the person the time of day? I have. It's totally disgusting. If you happen to still be alive, it eventually gets back around to you so you can at least defend yourself, at the utter horror and embarassment of the person who told the lies. |
| Ms. Rebel 13.11.2007 16:38 |
My Mini Mercury wrote: Jim and Freddie were probably never even lovers. That sicko probably wrote that book because he wanted people to think they were lovers. He probably fantasized about Freddie. Ever had someone you can't stand spread rumors around about you that they dated you, even slept with you and even goes into great detail everything you supposedly did together-- when actually you never even gave the person the time of day? I have. It's totally disgusting. If you happen to still be alive, it eventually gets back around to you so you can at least defend yourself, at the utter horror and embarassment of the person who told the lies.Waaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Very interesting theory. x'D But the answer is NO. Freddie and Jim were lovers. |
| Micrówave 13.11.2007 16:40 |
My Mini Mercury wrote: These creeps...... who dig up 2½ year old threads are pretty clever with the search button. |
| Dusta 13.11.2007 19:02 |
I rather got the same impression! Matter of fact, I got PRECISELY that impression. Nice to know it was not just myself.
magicalfreddiemercury wrote: Jim, it seemed to me, wrote the book as a way to validate his time with Freddie. In public, Freddie referred to Jim as his gardener and, according to Jim, in private referred to him as his husband. Considering Freddie stated publicly that what he and Mary had was very much like a marriage and that she was the one person he trusted above others, I'd say the hostility toward Mary in Jim's awful book is yet another indication of Jim's (justified?)insecurity. We'll never know for certain how Freddie felt about Jim, but I think it's pretty clear how Freddie felt about Mary. And how she felt/feels about him. |
| Stoner 14.11.2007 02:57 |
Micrówave wrote:Hey, I'm fairly new to this board. I didn't get to be in on these threads when they were new so I have to dig them up. I think they are interesting topics and if I hadn't just simply dug someone else's threads up I only would have started my own and they would have been duplicates. We don't want that to happen do we?My Mini Mercury wrote: These creeps...... who dig up 2½ year old threads are pretty clever with the search button. |
| Micrówave 14.11.2007 11:01 |
My Mini Mercury wrote: Hey, I'm fairly new to this board. I didn't get to be in on these threads when they were new so I have to dig them up. I think they are interesting topicsReally? This particular one interests you? I wonder What exactly interests you in this thread. Have you recently lost all bodily functions and are curious what you're fixing to go thru? Are you worried (here, 2007) about how Freddie handled his estate and affairs in 1991? That's creepy. Perhaps you could dig up the thread that discusses which hand Brian wipes his aas with? I think that's an interesting topic and we certainly wouldn't want to create another thread, do we? |
| deleted user 14.11.2007 15:56 |
Coma? I'm not sure. The doctor was there giving him a shot of morphine for a broken bone "we lifted him and heard a loud crack and Freddie yelped in pain" according to Jim's book he was allergic to morphine but that's not what killed him, the doctor was "just about to leave when Joe ran out to bring him back to Freddie" when he died. In Jim's book, he did say that Mary was away and they had called when it happened. But all reports show that Freddie died of bronchial pneumonia resulting from AIDS, But as far really as anyone knows, Jim and Phoebe(peter freestone)were in the room, that was it. All accounts are from 'Mercury and Me' And Peter 'Phoebe' Freestones book which I have not read. |
| deleted user 14.11.2007 16:01 |
My Mini Mercury wrote: Jim and Freddie were probably never even lovers. That sicko probably wrote that book because he wanted people to think they were lovers. He probably fantasized about Freddie. Ever had someone you can't stand spread rumors around about you that they dated you, even slept with you and even goes into great detail everything you supposedly did together-- when actually you never even gave the person the time of day? I have. It's totally disgusting. If you happen to still be alive, it eventually gets back around to you so you can at least defend yourself, at the utter horror and embarassment of the person who told the lies.Ok, this is bullshit, all interviews with others in Freddie's life CONFIRMED that Jim and Freddie were Lovers, Freddie has been photographed with the ring Jim gave him several times and also in many videos! I'm also positive that Jim has been considered a liar, and I'm convinced that the book is real! Read it and look at the pictures and watch the interviews, then tell me who's a horrible person. |
| Stoner 15.11.2007 08:08 |
Micrówave wrote:Perhaps you could dig up the thread that discusses which hand Brian wipes his aas with? I think that's an interesting topic and we certainly wouldn't want to create another thread, do we?NOW THAT YOU MENTION IT I WONT HAVE TO DO ANY DIGGING I'LL JUST ASK YOU. WHICH HAND IS IT? I'VE ALWAYS BEEN CURIOUS. |