| worldvision 14.06.2005 08:48 |
"Some young kid was with him on the road then," Simmons said. "I asked him about his friendship with children, and he said to me that they were the only people he trusted. He told me that his best friends were Freddie Mercury (of the rock band Queen), Diana Ross, Elizabeth Taylor and whoever this little kid was. They were the only people who didn't want anything from him, and they loved him for himself." link |
| Serry... 14.06.2005 09:36 |
"My father told me just keep good company" |
| doremi 14.06.2005 11:10 |
Was...Michael had a falling out with Freddie when they were working on 3 songs together, "State Of Shock", "Victory", and one I never have heard the name of. Jackson completed "State Of Shock" with Another co-writer and Freddie never filed for any legal credit or royalties so the song is NOT published lisiting Freddie with any credit for writing the song. "Victory" was never recorded or published. Jackson claimed he caught Freddie doing some snow in the recording studio..and that was what caused their falling out. Personally, while if that story is true, I do NOT condone what Freddie did and it was STUPID, had Freddie lived...the weights of circumstance and STUPIDITY certainly reversed themselves...and now I would say that Freddie would have been much better off, without the albatross of Jackson's stigma around his neck. The only good Jackson did for Queen, was suggesting they release AOBTD as a single. Whoopie...any person with some sense could have done that. Guess my disgust for Jackson is apparent here. Ironic the song AOBTD, those words..could be applied to Jackson's life eh? |
| Serry... 14.06.2005 11:33 |
Arlene R. Weiss wrote: Was...Michael had a falling out with Freddie when they were working on 3 songs together, "State Of Shock", "Victory", and one I never have heard the name of.There Must Be More To Life Than This? Hmm... I think you've heard this name on album called 'Mr Bad Guy' :) |
| doremi 14.06.2005 12:17 |
Serry... wrote:Sergey I do NOT have Mr. Bad Guy since it's out of print.. (and I can't afford the full FM solo collection), BUT...I thought ONLY Freddie wrote that song. See this. Let me know.Arlene R. Weiss wrote: Was...Michael had a falling out with Freddie when they were working on 3 songs together, "State Of Shock", "Victory", and one I never have heard the name of.There Must Be More To Life Than This? Hmm... I think you've heard this name on album called 'Mr Bad Guy' :) link |
| greaserkat 14.06.2005 12:28 |
Arlene R. Weiss wrote: Was...Michael had a falling out with Freddie when they were working on 3 songs together, "State Of Shock", "Victory", and one I never have heard the name of. Jackson completed "State Of Shock" with Another co-writer and Freddie never filed for any legal credit or royalties so the song is NOT published lisiting Freddie with any credit for writing the song. "Victory" was never recorded or published. Jackson claimed he caught Freddie doing some snow in the recording studio..and that was what caused their falling out. Personally, while if that story is true, I do NOT condone what Freddie did and it was STUPID, had Freddie lived...the weights of circumstance and STUPIDITY certainly reversed themselves...and now I would say that Freddie would have been much better off, without the albatross of Jackson's stigma around his neck. The only good Jackson did for Queen, was suggesting they release AOBTD as a single. Whoopie...any person with some sense could have done that. Guess my disgust for Jackson is apparent here. Ironic the song AOBTD, those words..could be applied to Jackson's life eh?If Freddie was alive I dont think he would be supportive of Michael and back him up on everyting he was going through and is going through after the trial. They wer really close for quite a while. I dont think Freddie would turn his back on Michael for these SO CALLED accusations on him. |
| Serry... 14.06.2005 12:58 |
Arlene R. Weiss wrote:Well, try this - it's Freddie & Michael duet demo version of this song:Serry... wrote:Sergey I do NOT have Mr. Bad Guy since it's out of print.. (and I can't afford the full FM solo collection), BUT...I thought ONLY Freddie wrote that song. See this. Let me know. linkArlene R. Weiss wrote: Was...Michael had a falling out with Freddie when they were working on 3 songs together, "State Of Shock", "Victory", and one I never have heard the name of.There Must Be More To Life Than This? Hmm... I think you've heard this name on album called 'Mr Bad Guy' :) link |
| Penetration_Guru 14.06.2005 13:28 |
I can sell you a Mr Bad Guy CD for less than the full price of the FM box. And the "other vocalist" was an unknown called Jagger... If you research a bit deeper instead of rushing to the "new topic" button every time your train of thought changes lines, you can find out LOADS of interesting stuff. I'm willing to bet that if you search for "Freddie Mercury" & "Michael Jackson" in google you'll get a link to that track on page 1 of the results. |
| doremi 14.06.2005 13:28 |
Sergey...my heart is breaking it's SO BEAUTIFUL!!!! WHERE can I get this? It's stunning, exquisite, their singing and the orchestartion underscores the meaningful lyrics. Sergey...is FREDDIE playing the piano on this demo? Thank you sweetie! XXXXXXX I would LOVE to also hear Freddie's SOLO version on Mr. Bad Guy, when I can buy it. And no thanks PenetrationGuru, I would rather give my hard earned money to a NICE person or to the record company that released this than to a sarcastic git. |
| Penetration_Guru 14.06.2005 13:30 |
wrong, but there are two decent sites on page 1 with lots of information! That you could "find"! And tell us about! In your breathless teenage fashion! At the age of 44.... |
| doremi 14.06.2005 13:53 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: wrong, but there are two decent sites on page 1 with lots of information! That you could "find"! And tell us about! In your breathless teenage fashion! At the age of 44....1) I did NOT say other vocalist (which I know is Mick Jagger). I said other co-writer whose name I have somewhere on "State Of Shock". 2) I do not have technical knowledge of music or video software, so that is why I do not know how to saerch for it...since I only know how to click on a post, like Sergey put here or that others post. I have no technical capability or knowledge to music or video software and the ONLY program that my computer will even open and upload/download are Mp3'S Windows version6 I think and that is IT! So I usually go on legal sites like Yahoo Launch and music artist websites, who already have their videos and music MP3's on there and I just click on it to listen to it or watch it. Also...for instance take this demo: Well, try this - it's Freddie & Michael duet demo version of this song: link Now, it says on it, it's from link. Now how the heck would I know a duet with Freddie & M.J. would be on some ...David Bowie music site? I hane never been taught how to use music software and filesharing, and I am technically illiterate in most computer stuff as well. I can only type in Word. NOTHING else. I have no cle how to use lotus, excel, photoshop, Quark, how to do graphics, yada yada. |
| *Lisa* 14.06.2005 13:55 |
Freddie originally sang "There must be more to life than this" with Michael, but it wasn't released. I've actually heard it, and if you want to hear it you need to go on a site called Planet Mercury. On the site, click on Michael Jackson and Freddie Mercury Comparisons. This page gives you a list of loads of things they have in common! About half way down the page is the link to hear the song. You then need to right-click and click open or save target as. |
| NOTWMEDDLE 14.06.2005 14:02 |
Arlene R. Weiss wrote:The Mr Bad Guy album is on the 3 disc Mercury set called Solo which is available in the US, Canada and such.Serry... wrote:Sergey I do NOT have Mr. Bad Guy since it's out of print.. (and I can't afford the full FM solo collection), BUT...I thought ONLY Freddie wrote that song. See this. Let me know. linkArlene R. Weiss wrote: Was...Michael had a falling out with Freddie when they were working on 3 songs together, "State Of Shock", "Victory", and one I never have heard the name of.There Must Be More To Life Than This? Hmm... I think you've heard this name on album called 'Mr Bad Guy' :) |
| doremi 14.06.2005 14:09 |
NOTWMEDDLE wrote:I am WELL aware of the crappy 3 disc version which I have stated on QZ many times. I do NOT want that.Arlene R. Weiss wrote:The Mr Bad Guy album is on the 3 disc Mercury set called Solo which is available in the US, Canada and such.Serry... wrote:Sergey I do NOT have Mr. Bad Guy since it's out of print.. (and I can't afford the full FM solo collection), BUT...I thought ONLY Freddie wrote that song. See this. Let me know. linkArlene R. Weiss wrote: Was...Michael had a falling out with Freddie when they were working on 3 songs together, "State Of Shock", "Victory", and one I never have heard the name of.There Must Be More To Life Than This? Hmm... I think you've heard this name on album called 'Mr Bad Guy' :) I want the 10 disc 2 DVD 120 page UNEDITED/COMPLETE complete with interviews and all demos version. Not that bastardized edited chopped up version. Also...I thought about why Freddie is listed as the SOLE composer of this song. Since He & M.J. had a falling out and M.J. did NOT give Freddie any songwriting and publishing/intellectual property credit on "State Of Shock", apparently, Freddie felt he could (and i agree SHOULD) do the same on "There Must be More To Life Than This", especially if Freddie perhaps had a more pivotol role in composing it. BTW...I am NOT a fan of M.J. and I am not thrilled with his singing on this...Freddie's voice is what soars..so I am certain that Freddie's solo version is even more stunning. Anyway...does Freddie play piano on this demo? |
| PieterMC 14.06.2005 14:26 |
I rather never hear Michael Jackson singing There Must Be More to Life Than This again. Once was more than enough. |
| wembley86 14.06.2005 14:41 |
michael jackson and freddie best friends that's like saying that freddie was 12 years old. freddie thought michael was a little odd. with all those animals at his house. i think if they were freddie would of not cared about the court result. he never really watched the news. and that people is my two cents. "SCANDLE" |
| brENsKi 14.06.2005 14:43 |
Arlene R. Weiss wrote: I would LOVE to also hear Freddie's SOLO version on Mr. Bad Guy, when I can buy it. And no thanks PenetrationGuru, I would rather give my hard earned money to a NICE person or to the record company that released this than to a sarcastic git.Arlene, if you wnat my copy..let me know i am in America in July and I can post it from California ...don't worry i won't rip you off price-wise - just what ever you re prepared to pay |
| doremi 14.06.2005 15:14 |
Well agter hearing, several times the demo duet version of M.J. & Freddie singing "There Must Be More To Life Than This". Verdict: Michael Jackson: Guilty of trickly dated boy band sounding vocals and cashing in on a legendary singer from the world's greatest band. Freddie Mercury: Innocent of being misled to collaborate and having his immense talents, songwriting, musicianship, and singing gifts misappropriated to a mindless hypocrite FOOL who duped him into this collaboration. End result. Glad Freddie released this song, without Wacko Jacko, solo on his Mr. Bad Guy record and ditched the very un "thrilling" M.J. |
| Serry... 14.06.2005 15:51 |
Arlene R. Weiss wrote: Sergey...is FREDDIE playing the piano on this demo?Probably. He played on 'Mr Bad Guy' version. When you'd get the FM Solo Box Set - you'd hear wonderful live piano take when Freddie was tried to play it. |
| doremi 14.06.2005 15:56 |
Serry... wrote:Sergey, thanks. Michael sounds awful but Freddie shines through. I'm sure I would enjoy Freddie's solo version better.Arlene R. Weiss wrote: Sergey...is FREDDIE playing the piano on this demo?Probably. He played on 'Mr Bad Guy' version. When you'd get the FM Solo Box Set - you'd hear wonderful live piano take when Freddie was tried to play it. Here is Freddie & M.J. doing "State Of Shock" link I think it SUCKS.......that Freddie did not get his proper legal and artistic songwriting and publshing credit for this song. This is also the first time I ever heard Freddie singing this. Hell I even love the version that Tina Turner & Mick Jagger did at Live Aid. I just do NOT like M.J. "Thriller" was THE only record I ever bought by him, and one year after I bought it I hated it and couldn't see what I had evre liked about it or M.J....long before he became wacko Jacko. He surely never was and never will be a Freddie. Sorry, lousy imitation but only the Original will do. |
| Serry... 14.06.2005 16:12 |
There's another demo of TMBMTLTT - around 2 minutes only - sung only by Michael with Freddie saying a couple of words in the background ("that's right"). It's a real crap, IMHO. |
| Penetration_Guru 14.06.2005 16:15 |
Your schizophrenic, aren't you? One minute it's "achingly beautiful" the next it's a travesty of artistic suicide. Oh, and google isn't a program, it's a website. You found us (somehow), you can find it. link there. I look forward to your thanks (swiftly followed by bad Arlene's whining, natch). |
| doremi 14.06.2005 16:15 |
Serry... wrote: There's another demo of TMBMTLTT - around 2 minutes only - sung only by Michael with Freddie saying a couple of words in the background ("that's right"). It's a real crap, IMHO.LOL. Sergey, THIS is why when and if I ever have the money I do NOT want the butchered watered down 3 CD FM box set, but I DO want the Complete 10 CD 2 DVD FM box set. link It lists all the demos you are referring to that Freddie did of this song with vocals and without..just Freddie playing the piano. (GOD he can play the piano...) BTW Thanks much for all your help all the time too! :) |
| doremi 14.06.2005 16:17 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: Your schizophrenic, aren't you? One minute it's "achingly beautiful" the next it's a travesty of artistic suicide. Oh, and google isn't a program, it's a website. You found us (somehow), you can find it. link there. I look forward to your thanks (swiftly followed by bad Arlene's whining, natch).I listened to it 3 times...and the beautiful part is the song itself, the melody, the orchestration, the arrangement, the piano part, the meaningful lyrics...and Freddie'vocals. But Michael Jackson SUCKS. And haven't you ever listened to a song or record more than once, and it either grows on you and you like it MORE, or at first you like it, then it grates on you or you notice things you don't like about it? Gee, I didn't know you had joined the Scott_Mercury fan club, dictating what I am allowed to think and say. You are SO pathetic. I watch your posts to other QZoners and you are as sh*TTY to them. You must be a miserable sad git, who gets jollies off of bullying and being rude to people. |
| teleman 14.06.2005 16:37 |
Arlene R. Weiss wrote: Well agter hearing, several times the demo duet version of M.J. & Freddie singing "There Must Be More To Life Than This". Verdict: Michael Jackson: Guilty of trickly dated boy band sounding vocals and cashing in on a legendary singer from the world's greatest band. Freddie Mercury: Innocent of being misled to collaborate and having his immense talents, songwriting, musicianship, and singing gifts misappropriated to a mindless hypocrite FOOL who duped him into this collaboration. End result. Glad Freddie released this song, without Wacko Jacko, solo on his Mr. Bad Guy record and ditched the very un "thrilling" M.J.Considering the time period I would think it was Freddie exploiting the ridiculous level of success M.J. was having at the time. Queen were almost forgotten in North America from '82 to '89 while M.J. was at the top of the industry worldwide. (There's no accounting for taste) Quite likely they entered into this collaboration with mutual benefit expected. My ears are grateful for anything without M.J. Still, I doubt that M.J. led Freddie down any garden path |
| kdj2hot 14.06.2005 18:21 |
Freddie and Michael had a falling out? Freddie wasnt shy about talking about Mike somewhere in the middle of this 1984 interview. link I don't know, it seems like anyone saying Freddie and MJ had a falling out is just talking out their ass. I could see how their schedules could've conflicted, especially after Freddie knew he didn't have long to live. |
| doremi 14.06.2005 18:30 |
kdj2hot wrote: Freddie and Michael had a falling out? Freddie wasnt shy about talking about Mike somewhere in the middle of this 1984 interview. link I don't know, it seems like anyone saying Freddie and MJ had a falling out is just talking out their ass. I could see how their schedules could've conflicted, especially after Freddie knew he didn't have long to live.It was Michael who ended the friendship/professional collaboration with Freddie. Freddie spoke with regard to Michael as he was not the one that ended things (and maybe Freddie too, didn't air personal dirty laundry or feuds and had some integrity!). But Michael ended things when he walked in on Freddie doing cocaine in the recording studio. Which now, when you look at things though what Freddie did I think was STUPID, Micheal Jackson is still hypocritical considering that M.J. has been in rehab for addiction to painkillers and of course M.J.'s other problems. |
| Mercuryworks 14.06.2005 22:59 |
In the end it is probably best that they split cause Micheal could have pulled another Paul McCartney on Queen (if you know what that means) What it means is Some point in time Micheal screwed Paul over |
| Mr Drowse 15.06.2005 05:20 |
I thought Bubbles was. ;) |
| GreatKingSam 15.06.2005 05:51 |
A few things... it was Paul McCartney who gave Mike the idea to invest in a groups back catalogue. So, Mike got smart and bought rights to The Beatles. Paul doesn't really have anything to whinge about, he's just jealous. And, I have a book at home, something I consider one of the better bio's on Freddie, with a lot of input from Barabara Valentine (if that is something we can trust as such, I don't really know). But in this, she says that Michael walked in on Freddie in his bathroom, sitting on top of the toilet, cutting a line of the white stuff. And finally Arlene... I see you are judging Michael's amazing music ability on how much you dislike him as a person. Obviously, this is the most fairw way to judge his music. Regardless of being possibly the greatest dancer we may ever witness on this planet, an amazing voice, regardless of what you say otherwise, and one of the greatest performers who IS right up there with Freddie. And it would seem you are also narrow-minded when it comes to comparing him to Freddie also. You cannot compare the two. They might be in the same job, but its like comparing a defender to a striker in football - they both may be brilliant but both do completely different things. I would say neither is better than the other. Both have brilliant voices, both have amazing stage presence and persona, both were loved and hated by the public, both had personal problems... different genres, different upbringing etc have contributed to the similar differences between them. And Thriller is a great album, and disliking it musially for a hate for the person is stupid. Saying Michael Jackson is rubbish is like saying the BEatles did nothing for music. Bollocks, absolute bollocks. And State Of Shock, if I refer to my vinyl single of it, was actually a Jacksons song, and was written and composed mainly by the Jacksons. It just so happens Fred had a little hand in helping them with a few words. The most he did was sing on it. I'm sure Bowie may have helped with Cool Cat, but it doesn't mean he was credited. Grow up. |
| GreatKingSam 15.06.2005 05:54 |
And as for having a dig at him for his addiciotn to painkillers... Freddie used drugs for recreational use, which is something I do not condone whatsoever, regardless of if you are using it innocently or to make money. Michael, believe it or not, was going through a hard time back in the early 90's when this happened, due to another dirty family trying to rinse him of money with empty scandals and lies.Clearly you've never heard of anyone getting addicted to something thorugh extreme stress and worry? Matthew Perry (Chandler in Friends) got addicted to painkillers when he had personal and health problems, and lost a lot of weight like Mike, and also went into rehab, like Mike. But I spose it's alright for him cause you don't hate him? Digging people for personal problems is very incosiderate. Have some compassion. |
| kdj2hot 15.06.2005 06:30 |
That doesn't make since to me because Paul Mcartney, Mick jagger and Slash have drug histories. I don't know, I'm not saying it's not true it just doesn't seem like it would be the only reason a severed working relationship in the music industry would occur. |
| GreatKingSam 15.06.2005 06:32 |
Problem is, people do not neccessarily make up stories, but it's like Chinese whispers. Someone heres one thing, innocently dramatises it, and then it gets passed on and passed on and passed on and the final story is completely different to what actually happened. Like an mp3... the more it gets copied and passed on, the more the quality declines. |
| Aura Marina 15.06.2005 09:03 |
Serry... wrote:Great Montage, Congratulations for the fan that made it!Arlene R. Weiss wrote:Well, try this - it's Freddie & Michael duet demo version of this song: linkSerry... wrote:Sergey I do NOT have Mr. Bad Guy since it's out of print.. (and I can't afford the full FM solo collection), BUT...I thought ONLY Freddie wrote that song. See this. Let me know. linkArlene R. Weiss wrote: Was...Michael had a falling out with Freddie when they were working on 3 songs together, "State Of Shock", "Victory", and one I never have heard the name of.There Must Be More To Life Than This? Hmm... I think you've heard this name on album called 'Mr Bad Guy' :) |
| GreatKingSam 15.06.2005 09:46 |
OK, maybe I was a little vindictive there, but I can't stand people having stupid thoughts for crap reasons. I'm all for OPINIONS, but saying "that album is shit cause he's a f*cking child molestor" or whatever is ridiculous. That's not an opinion, that's just being single-minded. |
| doremi 15.06.2005 11:47 |
GreatKingSam wrote: OK, maybe I was a little vindictive there, but I can't stand people having stupid thoughts for crap reasons. I'm all for OPINIONS, but saying "that album is shit cause he's a f*cking child molestor" or whatever is ridiculous. That's not an opinion, that's just being single-minded.I NEVER, EVER, EVER said that I did not like "Thriller" because of Jackson's problems,issues. 1) Why do people constantly NOT thoroughly read my posts? 2) Why do people put words in my mouth that I never said? I said that I bought "Thriller" in 1985, was bored with it by a year or 2 after I bought it already and I did not find the music appealing anymore, which was LONG before Jacksons' problems. (lOOK ON PAGE 1 FOR TMY POST) I said I got rid of my "Thriller" album about 1987 when I no longer found the music appealing. GEEZ!!!!!! Also...What you said about Matthew Perry..when did I say anything or give my opinion on his abuse of prescription painkillers. That's right. I NEVER DID OR HAVE...But NOW I will. I think he is a weak person with problems..and he, Perry has not been in rehab not just once, but MANY times. He never learns. And I feel the same about, Elizabeth Taylor who has been in rehab a zillion times for..alcohol, prescription drug addction, etc. Or gee, Billy Joel, Robert Downey, Jr. Corey Feldman, Eric Clapton, Whitney Houston, Charlie Sheen (who almost lost his lovely wife and 2 babies cuz he can't stay sober) and the list goes on. Do NOT put words in my mouth. I do NOT condone any people, everyday people, or celebrities who abuse drugs, prescription or illegal, or alcohol. .....I do have compassion and understanding for people who recognize that they DO have a problem, seek help, and LEARN from their mistakes, and get and STAY sober. But the repeat offenders who keep falling off the wagon, and ..I hate when they say stuff about "they are only hurting themselves..they are only self destructive". BULLOCKS. In the USA we have Alanon, and Alateen which are support groups for FAMILIES and FRIENDS of alcoholics and drug abusers, whose lives have also been adversly affected by their relatives' drug and alcohol abuse, and the traumas that it causes on their loved ones and friends. |
| deleted user 15.06.2005 12:46 |
Reminds of an interview, Freddie was talking about how Michael shot up with thriller and how he blew his chance, he turned down a chance to work with Michael on that project. |
| David Lee Rocks 15.06.2005 15:46 |
Old news. Learned this years ago... |
| Suigi 15.06.2005 17:28 |
GreatKingSam wrote: Problem is, people do not neccessarily make up stories, but it's like Chinese whispers. Someone heres one thing, innocently dramatises it, and then it gets passed on and passed on and passed on and the final story is completely different to what actually happened. Like an mp3... the more it gets copied and passed on, the more the quality declines.I think you mean "the more it gets copied and encoded..." |
| GreatKingSam 16.06.2005 06:16 |
Actually, I know I mean copied and passed on. Same difference in the scheme of what I was talking about do you not think? Copy an mp3 (gets encoded), passed on, mp3 gets copied again (re-encoded), passed on, copied again (re-re-encoded), passed on... |
| 7Innuendo7 16.06.2005 20:04 |
"the vessel of genius is the most fragile" Freddie NEVER sold out on his music or his friends OJ Simpson -- walks Robert Blake -- walks Michael Jackson -- walks Martha Stewart -- six months @ Camp Cupcake, dear! |