| brENsKi 11.06.2005 16:00 |
is hangman the only queen-written track to be performed live but never released commercially as a studio version? |
| Serry... 11.06.2005 16:20 |
"Impromptu" from Live At Wembley '86 (it's not studio album so...) and some other band improvisations (most of them are based on the same theme though). |
| brENsKi 11.06.2005 16:26 |
<font color=#FF399> Linda Of The Valley wrote: who cares? :Poooh get you !!! - someone given you too many blue m&ms today girl? ;-) i was asking because queen's live gigs usually comprised "standards" in the setlist ie:- current album tracks crowd faves cover versions greatest hits hangman didn't fit as it didn't come from any release and i couldn't think of any others (that were genuine queen songs (and not ad-libs) |
| bitesthedust 11.06.2005 16:32 |
no I think that's the only one Brenski.... |
| kirkpatrickuk 11.06.2005 17:28 |
We Will Rock You (fast) was never recorded as a studio version. |
| Mercuryworks 11.06.2005 17:41 |
kirkpatrickuk wrote: We Will Rock You (fast) was never recorded as a studio version.No that is on a BBC session |
| FriedChicken 11.06.2005 19:18 |
I believe WWRY fast was also recorded for News of the World. Anyway, Hangman is the only Queen song played live that was not released |
| brENsKi 12.06.2005 04:18 |
thought so. cheers |
| John S Stuart 12.06.2005 06:42 |
FriedChicken: I believe WWRY fast was also recorded for News of the World. No - that is not correct. Only the fast BBC version exists. No studio fast version was recorded. |
| Negative Creep 12.06.2005 06:57 |
The BBC version IS a studio version. |
| bitesthedust 12.06.2005 11:13 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:But for all intents and purposes, it is a bbc sessions studio version. Therefore, Hangman is the only song to be played live but never released.Negative Creep wrote: The BBC version IS a studio version.No, it counts as 'live', as it wasn't recorded in a multi-track studio fashion. |
| brENsKi 12.06.2005 11:34 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:Caspar, there's plenty of multi-tracking on the guitars - i can hear THREE different leads (at the same time)on the intro aloneNegative Creep wrote: The BBC version IS a studio version.No, it counts as 'live', as it wasn't recorded in a multi-track studio fashion. |
| Negative Creep 12.06.2005 13:21 |
It wasn't a live, straight to 2 track live broadcast. They recorded the tracks at Maida Vale to an 8 track machine prior to them being broadcast... allowing them to record the backing tracks as many times as it took them to nail it & then overdub the chosen take of each track to completion. Theyre not overly overdubbed, but theyre not live. |
| John S Stuart 12.06.2005 14:24 |
Negative Creep: The BBC version IS a studio version. we all know that - and my previous answer clearly states: FriedChicken: I believe WWRY fast was also recorded for News of the World - No - that is not correct. Only the fast BBC version exists. No studio fast version was recorded. that clearly means no news of the world or emi fast version exists. but - strnage as it sounds - the bbc version counts as a live version - because the band recorded live over backing tapes. the bbc version was recorded in one day at maida vale over the original emi version. (you can even hear the same "ah" 3 -5 seconds into the intro) by contrast, contrary to popular belief, ther is no emi session of the fast we will rock you. OTHER than the bbc - there is no studio fast version. but i think you knew that all along too. |
| Negative Creep 12.06.2005 14:41 |
You didn't say there wasn't a version recorded during the NOTW sessions, you said there was no studio version. THERE IS. They did NOT record over backing tracks for this BBC session. Apart from the slow WWRY, they started from scratch in Maida Vale. |
| whynot 12.06.2005 14:45 |
See what a fool I've been is another track that wasn't recorded but played live. |
| Negative Creep 12.06.2005 14:47 |
"but - strnage as it sounds - the bbc version counts as a live version - because the band recorded live over backing tapes. the bbc version was recorded in one day at maida vale over the original emi version. (you can even hear the same "ah" 3 -5 seconds into the intro) by contrast, contrary to popular belief, ther is no emi session of the fast we will rock you. OTHER than the bbc - there is no studio fast version." Youve contradicted yourself there. First off, theyve recorded over the emi version, then you say there is no emi version. If theres no emi version, how the fuck could they record "over" it. |
| Sebastian 12.06.2005 15:52 |
> See what a fool I've been is another track that wasn't recorded but played live. There are at least two studio versions of that one > but - strnage as it sounds - the bbc version counts as a live version - because the band recorded live over backing tapes. Wrong as well: as you said, there were no backing tapes of fast, therefore they definitely recorded a backing tape for that (as somebody else mentioned, there are double and triple tracked guitars); and... even if it was just the band "live" over backing tape it can't count as live version, or for that effect I can say that there's a live version of the opera section of Bo Rhap, at least in instruments: piano, bass and drums were recorded live, then Roger overdubbed his timpani playing live over the backing tape. > the bbc version was recorded in one day at maida vale over the original emi version. Not quite. Probably the percussion of the slow version is from Wessex sessions (that's why you can hear the "ah" loop). But at least the vocals are "new", in fact the producer and the engineer mentioned how they were asked to sing. |
| John S Stuart 12.06.2005 15:52 |
Negative creep - a couple of words of advice. First - stop swearing - its neither big nor clever. Second - stop being so pedantic. Queen recorded we will rock you at emi. (i forget the exact studio but it is on the sleeve notes). this was the slow version. no fast version exists in the emi/queen archive as it was not recorded. but it did exist in the bbc archive. they then took a copy of the emi slow version tape to the bbc at maida vale and recorded the new bbc session over it (ie overdubs). that is why you can still hear the opening "ahh" in the same place. that is neither contradictory - or controversial. they then proceeded to record a second new version - which has since become known as the fast vesrion. this was a bbc exclusive - and does not exist elsewhere. so why are you being so argumentive over a very simple sequence of events? there is no need to get so heat up, because as you can see, apart from the bbc - there is no studio version. what is the problem with that? |
| John S Stuart 12.06.2005 16:06 |
John S: > the bbc version was recorded in one day at maida vale over the original emi version. Seb: > Not quite. Probably the percussion of the slow version is from Wessex sessions (that's why you can hear the "ah" loop). But at least the vocals are "new", in fact the producer and the engineer mentioned how they were asked to sing. we know for absolute fact that queen only spent one day at the bbc maida vale studio 4 on 28th oct 1977. Apart from the obviuos backing tracks they took into the studio with them - this session was recorded on that day only. hence i was CORRECT to say - the bbc version was recorded in one day at maida vale over the original emi version. That is what i meant by saying - the bbc version was recorded in one day at maida vale over the original emi version. but somehow i guess you knew that too. Queen: Unreleased, BBC Radio Session, 28 October 1977 Recorded 28.10.1977. Broadcast 14.11.1977. Studio Maida Vale 4, John Peel Show, Produced by Jeff Griffin, Engineered by Mike Robinson. Officially erased by the BBC. Spread Your Wings It’s Late My Melancholy Blues We Will Rock You |
| brENsKi 12.06.2005 16:06 |
whynot wrote: See what a fool I've been is another track that wasn't recorded but played live.wrong - sorry to disappoint you it's the b-side of seven seas of rhye ( ithink it was originally intended for II, but didn't fit in) i had the original uk SSOR single (eons ago!) and it was definitely a different version to the BBC job |
| Penetration_Guru 12.06.2005 16:31 |
It doesn't matter what kind of backing track they stuck under it - WWRY (words & melody) was performed live & recorded. Leaving just Hangman. All the arguments above distract from the original question. There is only one SONG performed live but not released. |
| Saint Jiub 13.06.2005 00:44 |
John S Stuart wrote: Negative creep - a couple of words of advice. First - stop swearing - its neither big nor clever.Does one choice word warrant an arrogant condescending attitude? Oh weell you are usually better than this. At least P_G finally injected some sense into this debate. |
| John S Stuart 13.06.2005 04:45 |
Rip Van Winkle: Does one choice word warrant an arrogant condescending attitude? Oh weell you are usually better than this. No - you are right - it does not. but i am in pain, i am ill, i am tired, and more to the point - i am grumpy. and i thought (and perhaps i miss-interpret) that this was a case of nit-picking for the sake of being a smart-ass (i still stress i may have been wrong) rather than bringing genuine discussion points to the table. (i welcome the latter - but detest the former). under such circumstances, perhaps it would have been better to totally ignore such remarks, however, at the time, i thought "this is taking the piss", so perhaps was a little heavy-handed in my reply. if i offended, i apologise, but i still think that most readers knew exactly what i meant by saying - no studio version - meant OTHER than bbc, and the only reason i wrote that was to help clear away some long-standing queen-mythologies - in that some pople still believre a fast version was recorded within the emi studio environment. i did not mean to stir up any hornet's nest in any way, but if i did, again i apologise. |
| Saint Jiub 13.06.2005 08:26 |
Wow - now i feel guilty for responding. I over reacted. The other anti-profanity topics got my knickers in a bunch. |
| John S Stuart 13.06.2005 11:02 |
Rip Van Winkle: Wow - now i feel guilty for responding. I over reacted. The other anti-profanity topics got my knickers in a bunch. nah - you're right enough, so no need to feel guilty. i guess i could have been a bit less grumpy too, but, it seems that (again in my opinion), some people are tyring to be smart just for the sake of being smart - or in other threads spamming for the sake of attention. but no matter how annoying i think these mails are becoming, you are right, no need for me to take it out on others. sod medication - i need a good drink!!!! |
| brENsKi 13.06.2005 11:12 |
John S Stuart wrote: but no matter how annoying i think these mails are becoming, you are right, no need for me to take it out on others. sod medication - i need a good drink!!!!austin nichols - wild turkey |
| Mercuryworks 15.06.2005 00:21 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: is hangman the only queen-written track to be performed live but never released commercially as a studio version?Techanically Hangman was released not worldwide but was released This next thing is quoted from John S Stuart himself "Trident One-sided 10" acetates: Hangman Rock 'n roll (Jailhouse Rock) Jesus Keep Yourself Alive" Now my memory may be horrible but I remember someone or John saying Hangman was released when Freddie and Roger were working in a market in the early days where Roger sold Freddie's coat or something. Now as I said my memory may be horrible about this but John or someone said the John S Stuart owned a copy of this. (Note to John: I know you may get mad about me for this but as I said I dont remember so It may not be true.)But I do hope it is released someday and speaking of this John if do have but you dont want to share it someday, then maybe you can tell us what live version is closiest to it, you dont have too just asking. Next WWRY (fast) well to close the studio thing or live thing well Brenski's question was <font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: is hangman the only queen-written track to be performed live but never released commercially as a studio version?another quote from John "Queen: Unreleased, BBC Radio Session, 28 October 1977 Recorded 28.10.1977. Broadcast 14.11.1977. Studio Maida Vale 4, John Peel Show, Produced by Jeff Griffin, Engineered by Mike Robinson. Officially erased by the BBC. Spread Your Wings It’s Late My Melancholy Blues We Will Rock You" It is a "Queen: Unreleased, BBC Radio Session" Unreleased so technically the real unreleased song is WWRY (fast) but it was released ibto the bootlegs market not commercially |
| deleted user 15.06.2005 14:11 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:I know someone who downloaded Queen 2 (!) and burned it onto a disk. When we were listening to it in the car I was surprised to find that there was another song after SSOR - which she informed me was called "See What A Fool I've Been". I was a bit miffed about that, because it's not on my original-shop-bought Queen 2. But then I'd rather buy them legally than download them. Is there any other way of getting SWAFIB other than buying the SSOR single? (I have it live)whynot wrote: See what a fool I've been is another track that wasn't recorded but played live.wrong - sorry to disappoint you it's the b-side of seven seas of rhye ( ithink it was originally intended for II, but didn't fit in) i had the original uk SSOR single (eons ago!) and it was definitely a different version to the BBC job |
| Penetration_Guru 15.06.2005 15:52 |
your friend presumably downloaded the Hollywood reissue of Queen 2 - which is also the answer to your question. |
| Mercuryworks 15.06.2005 16:58 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: is hangman the only queen-written track to be performed live but never released commercially as a studio version?Again techinally other queen songs never released are 'Lover' 'Vagabond Outcast' plus the three originals disclosed in Freddie's letter to Celine Daley one of these, "Universal Theme", was a Bulsara-Bersin guitar instrumental, which leaves three songs - "Boogie", "One More Train" and "FEWA" I count those because some Queen songs are written solely by Freddie and if you say anything about it being Pre Queen well so was Doin' Alright and it is usually credited to Queen And I am guessing these were played live because Vagabond Outcast is played on the Ibex - Sink Club bootleg |
| great king rat 1138 16.06.2005 08:54 |
whynot wrote: See what a fool I've been is another track that wasn't recorded but played live.Sorry, but it was - there are two different studio versions of this song - one from a BBC session and one which appeared on the Hollywood CD version of Queen II. |
| Penetration_Guru 16.06.2005 16:00 |
Mercuryworks - there are a few assumptions in your post, such as every song written would be played live ..and all these songs are justifiably "Queen" songs. Without hearing them we don't know for sure, but I've always been led to believe taht "Lover" became a Queen song - Liar. It's entirely possible that other songs were cannibalised |
| Mercuryworks 16.06.2005 20:07 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: Mercuryworks - there are a few assumptions in your post, such as every song written would be played live ..and all these songs are justifiably "Queen" songs. Without hearing them we don't know for sure, but I've always been led to believe taht "Lover" became a Queen song - Liar. It's entirely possible that other songs were cannibalisedI know what you are saying but I have a picture of a setlist from the Wreckage I do not know if this is true but these are my sources link "Despite the arduous rehearsal, no-one seems to recall Wreckage's debut at Ealing College, but a typewritten setlist for the gig (by Richard Thompson) has been recently auctioned. Richard Thompson wrote out these set-lists in October 1969. All titles on the larger of the two were written by Freddie, while the smaller document refers to their debut Ealing gig. Miracoulusly, one of the tracks has survived: Green. The song was taped at the flat in Barnes, on a little Fidelity two-track recorder. "Green" was a melodic, medium-paced ballad, whose tone would recall "Mad The Swine" and some of the more reflective material he wrote towards the end of his life. "There's a sudden change in me...", sings Freddie. "I believe my time has come. Any moment I'll be drifting to the sun... Green, turning Green. Rapidly changing through the bassline, turning Green." Apart from pre-Queen titles like 'Lover', which Freddie later turned into 'Liar', the newly discovered 'Vagabond Outcast' and the three originals disclosed in Freddie's letter to Celine Daley ('Without You', 'Blag-A-Blues', 'Cancer On My Mind'), there are, at least, other four unknown tracks, whose words and melodies can only be imagined, unless any other tapes miraculously surface. 'Universal Theme', probably a Bulsara-Bersin guitar instrumental, 'Boogle', 'One More Train' and 'FEWA', which was an acronym for "Feelings Ended, Worn Away", as Chris Chesney recalls." |