Fairy Fellers 02.06.2005 13:14 |
Why most of people (90%) upload concerts in mp3 format? I hate mp3... |
Fat Lizzy 02.06.2005 13:17 |
There are 2 simple reasons for that: 1: They don't want to take the time to upload 600MB FLAC format concerts. 2: People are requesting (or whining) about putting the concerts up in MP3 format cus: - 1 - They say they can't use torrents. - 2 - They don't want to take much time to download. |
fjac1980 02.06.2005 13:34 |
OTHER REASON: 3- SLOW INTERNET CONECTION. |
Fairy Fellers 02.06.2005 13:35 |
I see...thanks for quick reply. |
Fairy Fellers 02.06.2005 13:44 |
mp3 is shit |
poshoklo 02.06.2005 13:53 |
or just decode the mp3 into flac... easy... |
Fairy Fellers 02.06.2005 13:56 |
Convert mp3 to FLAC has no sense. |
kyassor 02.06.2005 14:02 |
poshoklo wrote: or just decode the mp3 into flac... easy...A turd wrapped in gold is still a turd - can't see why you do this, it's a waste of time |
kyassor 02.06.2005 14:07 |
Nice to see the flac v mp3 arguement back - not seen it for a few days ;-) They are like gravy and custard - both lovely but depends what you are having with them. If I'm having chips I prefer gravy - if I'm having apple pie I prefer custard If I'm listening on a decent music system I prefer flac - if I'm listening on my iPod I prefer mp3 |
tilomagnet 02.06.2005 14:07 |
kyassor wrote:Exactly.poshoklo wrote: or just decode the mp3 into flac... easy...A turd wrapped in gold is still a turd - can't see why you do this, it's a waste of time |
Jay Mantis 02.06.2005 14:17 |
This of course might turn into a discussion again but I still can't hear no difference between a 320 kbps mp3 file and a FLAC file. So that's a reason for me to like mp3 just as much. |
teleman 02.06.2005 14:20 |
One easy consideration ... bandwidth limitations. I am curious enough to want to hear some things I've heard about. However, due to bandwidth considerations, I prefer MP3 files. When I have something worth sharing it will be in a bandwidth friendly format. If not for that and for those with slow connections, I think we would all prefer the higher quality format. BTW to all who have shared music which I've downloaded a HUGE Thank You |
Fairy Fellers 02.06.2005 14:22 |
[Jay] wrote: This of course might turn into a discussion again but I still can't hear no difference between a 320 kbps mp3 file and a FLAC file. So that's a reason for me to like mp3 just as much.Yes, but a lot of concerts uploaded here have 128 kbps. |
deleted user 02.06.2005 15:17 |
shes a poet and didnt know it! :P i hate flac, iv always got to convert my flacs to mp3 to get em onto a CD! one i can listen to! |
richie moshpit 02.06.2005 15:50 |
if you don't like mp3 then go flac yourselves |
agneepath! 11994 02.06.2005 16:38 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:Thomas Quinn - Queenzone's favourite diplomat.taylorgaga (Begg) wrote: shes a poet and didnt know it! :P i hate flac, iv always got to convert my flacs to mp3 to get em onto a CD! one i can listen to!If that's the fact, you must be an utter retard. You can just download a plugin to burn FLAC to cd! The fucking plugins are about 50kb! |
Manic 02.06.2005 17:01 |
Begg, If you're using Nero, go to link and download the Flac plug-in. It gives you details of where to extract the plug-in to depending on the version of Nero you're using. It allows you to burn Flac files to Audio CD and play them in Nero media player. |
brENsKi 02.06.2005 17:40 |
kyassor wrote:eh???? that's almost copyright theft...you've almost got my sig thereposhoklo wrote: or just decode the mp3 into flac... easy...A turd wrapped in gold is still a turd - can't see why you do this, it's a waste of time |
kyassor 02.06.2005 17:43 |
<B><font color=#ff7f00>Brenski</B> wrote:Sue me then - and then the people I nicked it from years ago will sue you :-)kyassor wrote:eh???? that's almost copyright theft...you've almost got my sig thereposhoklo wrote: or just decode the mp3 into flac... easy...A turd wrapped in gold is still a turd - can't see why you do this, it's a waste of time |
kyassor 02.06.2005 17:46 |
taylorgaga (Begg) wrote: i hate flac, iv always got to convert my flacs to mp3 to get em onto a CD! one i can listen to!I copy my flac version on to a cd so I have the higher quality version to keep and then convert them to mp3s for my iPod - if you are only copying on to a cd then why convert to mp3 first ? Possibly it could be your lack of knowledge that is stopping you, not anything to do with flac ? |
roblov 02.06.2005 19:24 |
I add this again because it might be helpful... *** Quote *** An audio CD is digitally recorded at 44100 samples per second, each sample is given a 16 bit resolution. So when multiplying both number we get that each second of music of a (mono) track takes 705600 bits. If you multiply this by 2 (the number of channels in a stereo recording) you get 1411200 bits of information for one second of a stereo music track. If you divide this by a typical encoding quality use d to create mp3 (128000 bits per second) you get: 1411200:128000 = 11,025 That means that each second of a stereo track in a n audio CD takes, approximately, eleven times more space in your hard disk than the corresponding mp3 (if it has been enconded @ 128kbps.) This compression is achieved at the cost of the attenuation of many of the frequencies that the human ear is not likely to hear. That´s why mp3 encoding is "lossy". Once you made that change you can´t take it back. Flac, on the contrary, is not lossy. When you uncompress a FLAC file, you get a wav file with each and every frequency of the original sound file which was compressed to make the FLAC file. *** Quote *** The text before explains the difference in quality between the flac and the mp3 formats. Of course, if the frequencies contained in the flac file are in such a narrow band so that the mp3 file made from it contains that frequency band almost unaltered, differences will not be noticed by an untrained ear. In general, even those sounds that seem very acute to us correspond to a frequency that´s well below the ear´s hearing limit and the mp3 file might get most of the frequencies almost unaltered. The bandwidth issue for transmiting through internet is, of course, important. If you don´t believe me, check out the format and bitrate any online radio uses. Well, this is a nice topic for discussion. Anyone who knows about this be kind to share your knowledge. Roblov. |
Wilki Amieva 02.06.2005 19:44 |
taylorgaga (Begg) wrote: shes a poet and didnt know it! :P i hate flac, iv always got to convert my flacs to mp3 to get em onto a CD! one i can listen to!Two words: Use Nero. |
onevsion 02.06.2005 19:48 |
To me, the only downloads i'm interested in are the ones in the FLAC format. When I trade i do not accept mp3 sourced boots. Most traders won't accept them. Mp3 for bootlegs is crap! |
Fairy Fellers 02.06.2005 20:36 |
Ducksoup wrote: To me, the only downloads i'm interested in are the ones in the FLAC format. When I trade i do not accept mp3 sourced boots. Most traders won't accept them. Mp3 for bootlegs is crap!You are right, I agree at all. |
Saint Jiub 02.06.2005 21:51 |
This contiuous battle is like Highlander set in Northern Ireland: The "There can only be one" battle pits the catholics against the protestants. The mp3 adherents represent the protestants, while the catholics represent the flac adherents because of their holier than thou attitute (theirs is the only true faith). |
Saint Jiub 02.06.2005 21:59 |
Fairy Fellers wrote: Why most of people (90%) upload concerts in mp3 format? I hate mp3...Because flac is not worth the extra effort for most people who only see a slight improvement with flac on audience recordings. Should you not be thankful for the downloads you have available on flac, rather than be disgruntled at what is available in mp3? |
NOTWMEDDLE 03.06.2005 00:21 |
MP3 is the only way I can hear the shows. My father installed a firewall on my computer because he is PARANOID that hackers will ruin the computer so I cannot download rapidshare nor bit-torrent because we have had computer hijacked by assholes! |
Rick 03.06.2005 02:04 |
Many people don't share FLAC files, because they want to trade with lossless concerts, so they convert the FLAC-files to mp3. So they can share and trade at the same time, nice, isn't it? |
poltergeist 03.06.2005 02:29 |
Ducksoup wrote: To me, the only downloads i'm interested in are the ones in the FLAC format. When I trade i do not accept mp3 sourced boots. Most traders won't accept them. Mp3 for bootlegs is crap!I'm not a trader but if I were and I traded with you, I'd just convert the mp3s to flacs and none of you flac-traders-mp3-haters would ever notice. |
riku_queencdr 03.06.2005 02:34 |
poltergeist wrote: I'm not a trader but if I were and I traded with you, I'd just convert the mp3s to flacs and none of you flac-traders-mp3-haters would ever notice.poltergeist: How wrong can you be.. Have you ever heard of frequency analysis??? Or spectral view on audio editing software?? You need only 5 seconds of wav format audio file to tell if the source is mp3 based or not. It will take roughly 2-3 seconds to check this. |
poltergeist 03.06.2005 02:49 |
riku_queencdr wrote:if it's *really* the case you could just edit the mp3s with those extra frequencies that only dogs hear :). The point is that many of the flac lovers hear have no idea about the real difference between a flac and a high quality mp3, they just like it because...[their bussiness]. Anyway if they have to make a frequency analysis to find out if it's mp3 or not, that says it all. Hell, a 320KB/s lame encoded mp3 is as close to perfection as a human ear can get.poltergeist wrote: I'm not a trader but if I were and I traded with you, I'd just convert the mp3s to flacs and none of you flac-traders-mp3-haters would ever notice.poltergeist: How wrong can you be.. Have you ever heard of frequency analysis??? Or spectral view on audio editing software?? You need only 5 seconds of wav format audio file to tell if the source is mp3 based or not. It will take roughly 2-3 seconds to check this. |
Mr Drowse 03.06.2005 02:59 |
MP3! MP3! MP3!just love 'em cause i cannot use anything else :( |
riku_queencdr 03.06.2005 03:16 |
audio CD->mp3->wav->mp3->wav->mp3->wav->mp3->wav-> about 5% left of music/audio, really bad "metallic" sound audio CD->flac->wav->flac->wav->flac->wav->flac->wav-> The whole 100% of CD quality music/audio is still present. Exactly the same sound quality as on the original CD, unless there have been some copy errors during the conversions. Got it now?? Your next comment will be "I make the mp3 conversion only once, this kind of "chain" is not happening.." I can tell you that great number of people do like to burn the mp3 concerts on audio CD and then delete the original mp3s. When they want to trade a bootleg for the next time in mp3, they make a new conversion from the audio CD that contains ALREADY LOSSY version of the show. The next one does the same and the person after 5-6 trades gets an awful quality copy of the concert. Maybe on the first 320kbp mp3 encoding you can't hear the difference, but if you do the conversion many times, you will hear it. In most cases people don't do this on purpose but they simply don't have a slightest idea how mp3 works. They just do it because they can make the files smaller and easier to trade online. With FLAC this is not happening. You can make the conversion as many times as you want as FLAC format works a bit like winzip. It only packs the audio, doesn't remove anything. FLAC is NOT lossy. |
Rick 03.06.2005 05:07 |
riku_queencdr wrote: audio CD->mp3->wav->mp3->wav->mp3->wav->mp3->wav-> about 5% left of music/audio, really bad "metallic" sound audio CD->flac->wav->flac->wav->flac->wav->flac->wav-> The whole 100% of CD quality music/audio is still present. Exactly the same sound quality as on the original CD, unless there have been some copy errors during the conversions. Got it now?? Your next comment will be "I make the mp3 conversion only once, this kind of "chain" is not happening.." I can tell you that great number of people do like to burn the mp3 concerts on audio CD and then delete the original mp3s. When they want to trade a bootleg for the next time in mp3, they make a new conversion from the audio CD that contains ALREADY LOSSY version of the show. The next one does the same and the person after 5-6 trades gets an awful quality copy of the concert. Maybe on the first 320kbp mp3 encoding you can't hear the difference, but if you do the conversion many times, you will hear it. In most cases people don't do this on purpose but they simply don't have a slightest idea how mp3 works. They just do it because they can make the files smaller and easier to trade online. With FLAC this is not happening. You can make the conversion as many times as you want as FLAC format works a bit like winzip. It only packs the audio, doesn't remove anything. FLAC is NOT lossy.Riku, I 100% agree with you. In other words: FLAC is for trading and sharing, and mp3 is only for sharing. How easy is that? |
Serry... 03.06.2005 05:44 |
Rick's comment is absolutely right and perfect! There are two kind of fans: who's downloading for burning on CD and then trade and who's downloading for listen on PC and forget about it. Why should I, who's not much into Queen lives, download 700 Mbs if I'm not gonna trade?! Do I care if audience recorded Dortmund '78 would sounds bad in both - flac or mp3? No I don't care. I'd download 80 Mbs, listen to the show, think "Wow! That was cool!" and that's it. I'm not gonna listen to most of the concerts for more than one time. And besides this you need to understand that there are a lot of fans who have some other interests in life, some duties and who doesn't want to spend time on buying each week new hard-drive for more shows in FLAC (CD-Rs might ruin one day). So if someone would offer me mp3 bootleg - I wouldn't refuse. I have them for fun, not for trading. |
Fat Lizzy 03.06.2005 06:37 |
fjac1980 wrote: OTHER REASON: 3- SLOW INTERNET CONECTION.I said that... They don't want to take much time; that kinda refers to a slow internet connection. |
riku_queencdr 03.06.2005 07:06 |
I don't mind people uploading shows in mp3. It's perfectly fine for me but I do get people bitching at me when I don't accept mp3 sourced bootlegs. If you guys download only for your own use, it's your choice and I respect that but there are loads of people who download mp3 sourced stuff here and then try to trade it on audio CDs. ..and Serry; eventhough you trade music, it doesn't necessarily mean you sit 24/7 at a computer or copy CDs all the time :) You know, there are people who trade and collect but are still able to go to work every morning, take care of their family and children & other duties. Even a hard drive can get damaged, so I tend to copy the FLAC shows on DVDR and hope it doesn't wear out in the coming years.. I just wanted to point out what the difference between FLAC and mp3 is and how these formats treat audio files. Some people claim there is no difference between mp3 and FLAC but this certainly isn't the case. |
Serry... 03.06.2005 07:26 |
riku_queencdr wrote: I don't mind people uploading shows in mp3. It's perfectly fine for me but I do get people bitching at me when I don't accept mp3 sourced bootlegs. If you guys download only for your own use, it's your choice and I respect that but there are loads of people who download mp3 sourced stuff here and then try to trade it on audio CDs. ..and Serry; eventhough you trade music, it doesn't necessarily mean you sit 24/7 at a computer or copy CDs all the time :) You know, there are people who trade and collect but are still able to go to work every morning, take care of their family and children & other duties. Even a hard drive can get damaged, so I tend to copy the FLAC shows on DVDR. I just wanted to point out what the difference between FLAC and mp3 is and how these formats treat audio files. Some people claim there is no difference between mp3 and FLAC but this certainly isn't the case.Yes, I see your point. But I just want some people know that there are a lot of fans who doesn't care about this difference in formats. Like me, for instance. About trading: no, no, no - I didn't mean this :) I just wrote that I wouldn't buy new hard-drive for my home PC just because there's no free space for shows in flac. I have other things to buy firstly and other duties to do instead of research of place for gigabytes of flac shows for my own using. But of course people who's bitching about your rules of trading are not right. It's up to you - in which format you want it to trade. One thing that I can't understand - why people (I don't mean you) came here with statements like 'RapidShare and mp3 are sucks, shit, crap etc.' - no-one asks such guys to download concerts in mp3. If you're trader - you can trade show you need and don't shout here "Oh, shiiiiit, again in mp3!". I'd agree to hear studio version of 'Hangman' in damned RealAudio with low bitrate and wouldn't cry about "oh this is not in the flac, so I'm not gonna download this untill someone upload it in flac" :) |
Saint Jiub 03.06.2005 09:46 |
riku_queencdr wrote: If you guys download only for your own use, it's your choice and I respect that but there are loads of people who download mp3 sourced stuff here and then try to trade it on audio CDs. wear out in the coming years.riku_queencdr wrote:On one hand, you deride mp3 users for polluting the trading pool, but on the other hand you say how easy it is to prevent mp3 users from polluting the trading pool.poltergeist wrote: I'm not a trader but if I were and I traded with you, I'd just convert the mp3s to flacs and none of you flac-traders-mp3-haters would ever notice.poltergeist: How wrong can you be.. Have you ever heard of frequency analysis??? Or spectral view on audio editing software?? You need only 5 seconds of wav format audio file to tell if the source is mp3 based or not. It will take roughly 2-3 seconds to check this. |
great king rat 1138 03.06.2005 10:18 |
The problem that I have with FLAC is that I, along with millions of other people in the UK, have a monthly transfer limit on my broadband connection, and if I were to upload or download shows in Flac, three shows would wipe out my connection for the month, and the internet is for more than just bootlegs! As soon as there's such a thing as cheap unlimited broadband (that isn't AOL), then flac will be great, but until then, I'm perfectly happy to have stuff in mp3 format, as long as it's a decent bitrate, for my own use and to share with my friends |
roblov 03.06.2005 12:50 |
riku: what software do you use for spectral analysis? I´d like to get one that is able to make a spectrum of wav and mp3 files. I like the technical side of digital audio and would like to compare wavs and mp3s quantitatively. Thanks in advance, Roblov. |
tilomagnet 03.06.2005 13:46 |
roblov wrote: riku: what software do you use for spectral analysis? I´d like to get one that is able to make a spectrum of wav and mp3 files. I like the technical side of digital audio and would like to compare wavs and mp3s quantitatively. Thanks in advance, Roblov.I´m using a spectral analyzer called Analfreq to make sure that the concert is not mp3 sourced. Here is some info how to detect mp3 sources with spectral analyzers:link Or you could also use for example Cool Edit Pro/Adobe Audition. It can display a spectral analysis of a wav file as well. I´ve used both Analfreq and CEP and it´s really easy to identify mp3 sources. Usually all the higher frequencies from 16khz on are missing. If a file has been converted to mp3 and reconverted again several times even more information has been lost and these files look very bad with all the frequencies above 10khz or so being cut. |
tilomagnet 03.06.2005 13:53 |
riku_queencdr wrote: I don't mind people uploading shows in mp3. It's perfectly fine for me but I do get people bitching at me when I don't accept mp3 sourced bootlegs. If you guys download only for your own use, it's your choice and I respect that but there are loads of people who download mp3 sourced stuff here and then try to trade it on audio CDs.I totally agree with that. |
Saint Jiub 03.06.2005 14:21 |
but evidently it is easy to detect and avoid mp3's |
tilomagnet 03.06.2005 15:32 |
poltergeist wrote: Anyway if they have to make a frequency analysis to find out if it's mp3 or not, that says it all.What kind of argument is that? How should anyone be able to tell if a show he received in a trade is mp3 sourced or not just from listening to the concert? If you can´t compare it to a true non mp3 sourced copy it´s impossible to find out. That´s why you need a spectrum analyzer. MP3 sources usually have some digi noise and small gaps between tracks, but that could also be a result of bad editing or copying. |
riku_queencdr 05.06.2005 17:17 |
I use CoolEdit Pro 2.1 |