| djaef 28.05.2005 23:16 |
I feel like having a rant here. I can't believe how impolite so many people are here. Let me come with a few examples. My recent Hammersmith Complete torrent (link. The torrent file was downloaded over 250 times, yet only 7 people bothered to say thank you. roblov posted the video to the same show. (link The torrent file downloaded 188 times, and NOT A SINGLE PERSON SAYING THANK YOU. Other torrents fare better (Kassel with 269 torrent downloads gets a whole 11 thank you's) The recent Milkaukee 75 got about 25 thank you's, but considering it was downloaded 336 times, that's not a great deal.. I could go on and find many other examples, but I'm sure you get the point. People go out of their way to share high quality, and in some cases quite rare Queen boots, only to have hundreds of freeloaders just take them without even the decency to say thank you. If people don't realise the good quality downloads will dry up in this sort of climate, they should wake up and smell the roses. The same goes with not seeding once you have completed the download. Richard will introduce a sharing ratio soon, and that will sort the problem out, but it's incredible common decency can't do the job. I am currently seeding 4 shows. If everyone did the same, there would never be a problem with any of the torrents posted here. We need to develop a sharing spirit here if we want this place to thrive. Even if you haven't got a lot to share, you can at least say thank you to the people that do, and continue to seed when you have downloaded something. Otherwise, this place will go to the dogs. |
| TheGame 29.05.2005 00:47 |
I always say thank you when I download stuff, and think it's the least i can do when somebody are sharing stuff here. I try to upload and help as many as possible here, but my bandwith has it's limitations. I can't be blamed for having a crap upload speed, and i'm sure other people are in the same position. BUT, the ratio seeders/downloaders are too low. I'm sure many of the downloaders have good upload speed also, so if everyone would seed no matter the speed, the totalt upload speed would be faster also. A win-win situation. |
| djaef 29.05.2005 01:26 |
TheGame wrote: I always say thank you when I download stuff, and think it's the least i can do when somebody are sharing stuff here. I try to upload and help as many as possible here, but my bandwith has it's limitations. I can't be blamed for having a crap upload speed, and i'm sure other people are in the same position. BUT, the ratio seeders/downloaders are too low. I'm sure many of the downloaders have good upload speed also, so if everyone would seed no matter the speed, the totalt upload speed would be faster also. A win-win situation.Sure. I'm in a similar situation. My upload speed isn't anything to write home about, but I always say thank you, and I always seed when I am finished and when requested. Simple courtesy. |
| Serry... 29.05.2005 02:57 |
Yeah... Some people became too much arrogant around there :( My parents taught me when I was a kid to say 'thank you' any time when it's has to be said. I've posted here recently very rare snippets of video from Moscow after-party show and just a couple of 'thanks' got back. Though this video is really damned rare and can be bought only from some collections of Russian Queen fans. |
| gaspar 29.05.2005 03:27 |
djaef, you're right 100%. I'm a nwebie here, but I've learned to say thank you and to seed one o two days at least,this is what my adsl quality allows. I've got few shows, so my little contribution to forum was: to upload mp3 format and to upload with rapidshare. It isn't a better idea? Who needs the files he'll got 'em. |
| Fat Lizzy 29.05.2005 03:42 |
Sorry I couldn't say thank you for the Hammersmith (and video)torrents, I already had them both. But boy... You got this problem right by it's balls and SHARE RATIO RULES! Well that was al I wanted to say about this. Thank you. |
| Fat Lizzy 29.05.2005 03:52 |
Addition: THE SEEDERS AT HAMMERSMITH 79 AND MUNICH 2005 LEFT TOO :@ Losers... |
| The King Of Rhye 29.05.2005 04:28 |
I do try to at least give a little thank you or some such thing when I dl something from somebody....as for torrents, those just dont seem to work for me.... |
| Roy ® 29.05.2005 05:00 |
Djeaf, you are completely rigth. When i'm downloading some show. I always say thank you. At this moment i'm seeding 4 older shows. Stockholm Copenhagen Barcelona London 75 (swedish broadcast) More seeders are welcome ;) |
| YourValentine 29.05.2005 05:10 |
I agree about the disappointing behaviour of 90% of the downloaders here. But it has always been like this. When we had the mp3 server only a very small fraction of the downloaders ever posted a thank you on the notice board or in an email. With the BitTorrents people must register to QZ to download the torrent file. Most of them never post on the notice board at all. It does not mean they are all ungrateful leeches, many don't speak English or are too shy to post on this (chaotic and sometimes very unfriendly) message board. I can assure you that there are thousands of happy fans who download what you share, you only never know. If you need more feedback for what you share, BitTorrents is the wrong method. On Dimeadozen you have the same situation- hundreds of downloads and just a few thank you posts. A sharing ratio is the only way to force people to keep seeding their downloads, I agree. I am sure Richard will create this feature as soon as he can. It avoids the grab and run policy to a certain extent. However, it won't keep people from selling stuff they get for free or from taking all they can at the minimum sharing ratio and never give something back. You will always have a certain portion of people who abuse your generosity. It's better to focus on the ones who appreciate what you do. |
| rachael mae. 29.05.2005 05:12 |
I always make the effort to say thankyou.. Right now I'm seeding only 3 shows but I hope it can help some people out: New Jersey 9.8.82 Life Is Real 23.02.78 Live In Paris 28.08.84 Live In Dublin Sometimes I wonder if I'm seeding right though, as it always says my upload ratio is like 0 bytes.. |
| djaef 29.05.2005 05:29 |
YourValentine wrote: I agree about the disappointing behaviour of 90% of the downloaders here. But it has always been like this. When we had the mp3 server only a very small fraction of the downloaders ever posted a thank you on the notice board or in an email. With the BitTorrents people must register to QZ to download the torrent file. Most of them never post on the notice board at all. It does not mean they are all ungrateful leeches, many don't speak English or are too shy to post on this (chaotic and sometimes very unfriendly) message board. I can assure you that there are thousands of happy fans who download what you share, you only never know. If you need more feedback for what you share, BitTorrents is the wrong method. On Dimeadozen you have the same situation- hundreds of downloads and just a few thank you posts. A sharing ratio is the only way to force people to keep seeding their downloads, I agree. I am sure Richard will create this feature as soon as he can. It avoids the grab and run policy to a certain extent. However, it won't keep people from selling stuff they get for free or from taking all they can at the minimum sharing ratio and never give something back. You will always have a certain portion of people who abuse your generosity. It's better to focus on the ones who appreciate what you do.Thoughtful post YV, you are completely right. I don't get hung up on getting thank you's but I'm sure everyone agrees, it is nice. But yes, we should share because we love spreading the music not because we want acclaim. It's a nice feeling simply to share the music :) |
| wesi72 29.05.2005 05:52 |
I think saying thanks is just politeness, but it's not just on this board that people forget. I've posted stuff on EZTree, STG and Traders Den and got loads of downloads, but not many thanks. It also bugs me when people complain about stuff they are getting for free...if you don't want it then delete it. As for ratios, unfortunately I think the problem will get worse as more and more UK ISPs introduce transfer limits. BT will shortly be limiting me to 30GB a month. I try to upload about twice as much as I download but may have to rethink that policy (or do more good old fashioned vining of shows!). Also, if you are on a torrent which has just been seeded, quite often you can be on a ratio of more than 1 or even 2 by the time it's completed downloading. My ratio on Hammersmith complete was 2.3 as it completed the download. Can I just stop then? Again, people should seed for a few hours after completion, keep the torrent file and look out for reseed requests. Ratio's will help, but will not solve the problem. |
| Froz1 29.05.2005 05:58 |
I have downloaded quite a bit from here - I would share stuff if I actually had anything to upload - I have been seeding quite a lot of stuff recently though. I would seed more, for longer but due to only having about 3gig usable harddrive space, when it gets full I have to stop seeding files and burn them to disc, otherwise I wouldn't be able to download much myself. Being only 20 years old, and only ever having been to 1 queen gig (birmingham 2005 and awaiting to go to the Hyde Park gig) my queen collection is small, comprising only of released material. Even though I haven't posted thank yous in every thread that i've downloaded from, it doesn't mean i'm an ungrateful leech, from now on though i will say thank you, as i do appreciate the effort that everyone is putting in. I would like to say a massive THANK YOU to all who have uploaded concerts and such, and long may it continue. |
| bobmaster 29.05.2005 07:11 |
i agree. i downloaded a few videos off the same person in different threads but just said thank you in one of the threads, so i dont know if that counts as being guilty. but definately, a simple thank-you post doesn't cost anything and i'll keep it in mind as well in case i forget. and i hope everyone else keeps it in mind as well and please keep uploading videos as there are a lot of grateful people here |
| bokkepoot 29.05.2005 07:12 |
I have downloaded almost all the torrents. I try to re-seed them as much as possible. I'm sharing, on request, lots of old torrents (like the whiteadmin announces). This is what I can do for the torrent community. It is impossible to share everything at the same time, but I let to rolate it. Everytime where I read that the downloads are stuck at xxxx%, I jump in to help. Hopefully more people can help with re-seeding. |
| onevsion 29.05.2005 07:24 |
I always thank someone for sharing when i'm downloading. |
| Richard Orchard 29.05.2005 07:55 |
Ratio's. Not that far away i hope. Probably about a month or so. Then we will see how we go. People with a low ratio and who make no attempt to fix this up will be banned from the tracker. |
| Richard Orchard 29.05.2005 07:59 |
I might also add a "thank you" function. so that people who don't necessarily want to leave a message, can at least say "thanks". |
| bokkepoot 29.05.2005 08:11 |
This is great news Richard !!! On a few torrents i'm under 1.0 index seeding, but I try to help the community with bringing back old torrents. Please forgive me when I'm "quick" away after downloading. I burn all the torrents as raw folder to a backup DVD. I have already burned 15 DVD's full of queenzone torrents. On request, I bring them back to keep "death-torrents" alive. |
| Richard Orchard 29.05.2005 08:15 |
It is going to be easier to see which torrents are seeded / which aren't in the new system as well. |
| bokkepoot 29.05.2005 08:22 |
Really great Richard. It is much easier to jump in if needed. Not everybody is as crazy as me to burn all the raw data on DVD-recordables for the pleasure of others, so I appreciate this new function. What is shared to the Queen community must be available for anyone, anytime. I try to help you all with "reanimating death torrents" |
| djaef 29.05.2005 08:36 |
Bokkepoot, I think what you do is awesome. I'm not as organised as I'd like to think. I already have trouble backing up my own collection :) I like to fiddle with track names etc as well, so often I ruin any chance of myself reseeding. Thank God for people like you. I try to seed a lot in the days after I download because I know I'm sometimes no good for reseeding later on. |
| Libor2 29.05.2005 10:24 |
I'm sure, that ratio index is going to be the good step. Great, Richard. |
| deleted user 29.05.2005 10:25 |
Thank you for share with us and thank you for your great idea, a share ratio, I AGREE We most share all our torrents |
| AC 29.05.2005 10:29 |
Crazy Little Thing Called Me wrote: What's a ratio system? How does it work? Just interested.... Will this work for rapidshare too?When you use BitTorrent you are downloading a file and at the same time you are sharing the part you've already downloaded. Share ratio means quantity of download vs. quantity of upload. With this, you can easily see if a person downloaded many MBsbut was such a bastard to not let others download from him. And it doens't work with Rapidshare, as you don't upload anything to other users... you can leech shamelessly with it :-) |
| thesilvers 29.05.2005 10:34 |
I am sorry that I usually don't say thank you, it is not that I am not gratefull because I am, I think that hammersmtih audio and video are awesome.I really hope more rare Queen stuff comes out, don't let people like me keep you from sharing, it just never occured to me (which is dumb cause I am usually a polite person and all). I also agree that a share ration and even a minimum posting level would be good things. Two other bit torrent sites use those and I think it keeps everyone on the up and up and it also creates more of a community. well thats my two cents. |
| matt V 29.05.2005 11:06 |
I try and keep my torrent window open as much as is possible while sharing a computer with others. I am currently seeding six concerts but I never see folks downloading from me...why is that? Is it that i have a configuration problem? I also try to say thankyou most times but must confess that I have been guilty of not thanking folks all the time. Anyways I really just wanted to know why I dont see people downloading from me. Any help will be appreciated. Matt |
| AC 29.05.2005 11:15 |
Crazy Little Thing Called Me wrote: ahhh, I see...I don't use this torrent thing anyway but isn't that a l;ittle unfair? I mean, some people could be downloading a LOT from queenzone but really appreciating it, saying thank you in every thread. They just mightn't have stuff to share that isn't already on queenzone...or they could just be sharing stuff using rapidshare... anyway, thanks for the info!!You didn't understand. With BitTorrent, while you are downloading a file, you are also uploading it. Basically, you have to share what you downloaded. And that is fair. |
| Serry... 29.05.2005 11:17 |
I don't think Richard need to ban persons with low ratio index. It's an old discussion about torrents, but reasons are the same: - connection with traffic limit - paying for spending time in the Internet - using non-home computer (you can't leave window open for the days, now I'm downloading Milan '84 - I've got about 60 Mbs and uploaded over 120 Mbs, but I can't leave open window anymore, though it's my home computer). And on other hand this guy/gal would post something really rare like studio version of 'Hangman' - and he/she'd be banned because of low ratio of previous downloads? Unfair, IMHO. There are some old torrents which can be download (thanks to seeders), but upload rate is 0, and person who's downloading such torrent would be banned? Unfair again. |
| bitesthedust 29.05.2005 11:32 |
the_hero wrote: and you still wonder why I stopped sharing although I had fun doing it in the beginning? I wonder if you remember the topic of Dennis (he's banned now) once, where he asked people to just share together. Basically it was me and Rev doing all the uploading and once in a while a thank you dropped by. Rick, who was against uploading Houston, eventually agreed and gave people the chance to listen ot such a great concert, but still there were people complaining cause there was a tiny error in the song 39 and the tracklisting was shite. But hell don't even dare to say htank you for giving you the opportunity to hear it.With regards to Houston 1977, I downloaded the 6 part version and thanked Rip Van Winkle for uploading this rare gem. All the concerts I've obtained via Queenzone (including trades) I've always thanked those involved. |
| CMG 29.05.2005 11:32 |
The only thing I can say is thank you. My love for Queen has this big present from you guys out there. The stuff you share. |
| Penetration_Guru 29.05.2005 11:45 |
I don't post thanks anywhere - I contribute by a) seeding EVERYTHING until it's back above 1 AT LEAST b) trying to find interesting stuff to share THis makes me not ideal, but my conscience is clear. Share Ratios are not perfect, but they will greatly help - and the chances of someone being banned for uploading a mega-rarity are virtually nil, as it's not the people who have mega-rarities who are the problem. |
| Fenderek 29.05.2005 11:53 |
I'm trying to leave the window open as long as it's possible, BUT I'm using computer at work- so very often more than 12 hours is not possible (overnight). BUT whenever I can- I leave it over weekend or something. And we've got a long weekend right now :) Don't know- the ratio thing seems like a really good idea :) |
| Goo 29.05.2005 12:01 |
I've been really bad with the thankyous, so I apologize for that, and now that I realize their importance, I will definitely change my ways. For everyone who I've downloaded stuff from (not that many people, but that's ok), I really am very grateful for what you've given us, and I'm just sorry I didn't say so. I think I'm pretty good with the seeding though . . . I seed overnight sometimes, and I always make sure that the amount of time I seed for exceeds the amount of time it took me to download the file. |
| bitesthedust 29.05.2005 12:09 |
Richard Orchard wrote: Ratio's. Not that far away i hope. Probably about a month or so. Then we will see how we go. People with a low ratio and who make no attempt to fix this up will be banned from the tracker.What about those of us who only use Rapidshare? |
| Penetration_Guru 29.05.2005 13:43 |
If you use rapidshare, you upload it once and everyone that wants it can take it. If you use torrent, everyone can only get it as long as others do the right thing. |
| AC 29.05.2005 13:45 |
And before I forget again, I apologize for not saying "Thank you" as much as in the past. Now I'm busy and always forget to do it, but it's not an excuse. So, for the past downloads, THANK YOU. |
| wesi72 29.05.2005 13:46 |
Thank you's also help bump up topics and attract more people on them. I think Dime a dozen only ban if a person's ratio is less than 0.25, which everyone should be able to do. If people sell stuff on EBay I'd ban them as well. |
| bitesthedust 29.05.2005 14:11 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: If you use rapidshare, you upload it once and everyone that wants it can take it. If you use torrent, everyone can only get it as long as others do the right thing.yes I know that - I mean are those who use Rapidshare going to be monitored too? |
| deleted user 29.05.2005 14:19 |
I must say that sometimes I forget so say thank you, but I don't want to be impolite. In the future I promise to thank more than I do. I'm so sorry :(. So a big thanx to all to sharer. |
| Mr Mercury 29.05.2005 19:46 |
Serry... wrote: I don't think Richard need to ban persons with low ratio index. It's an old discussion about torrents, but reasons are the same: - connection with traffic limit - paying for spending time in the Internet - using non-home computer (you can't leave window open for the days, now I'm downloading Milan '84 - I've got about 60 Mbs and uploaded over 120 Mbs, but I can't leave open window anymore, though it's my home computer). And on other hand this guy/gal would post something really rare like studio version of 'Hangman' - and he/she'd be banned because of low ratio of previous downloads? Unfair, IMHO. There are some old torrents which can be download (thanks to seeders), but upload rate is 0, and person who's downloading such torrent would be banned? Unfair again.Actually Serry, your post is very well thought out. Not being able to share some "holy grail" stuff because your share ratio from before is crap is a bit unfair, I suppose. But then thats BitTorrent sharing for you. Regarding torrenting stuff, would it not be better to stick to just flac files for audio similar to what DimeADozen does? I cant quite see the point of sharing MP3 stuff especially when they can be put up on RapidShare. That way would certainly cut down on the amount of leechers from the tracker. |
| Mr Mercury 29.05.2005 20:04 |
bitesthedust wrote:No because RapidShare is nothing to do with the QZ Tracker. It is basically a file hosting site for those who wish to send large files to one another.Penetration_Guru wrote: If you use rapidshare, you upload it once and everyone that wants it can take it. If you use torrent, everyone can only get it as long as others do the right thing.yes I know that - I mean are those who use Rapidshare going to be monitored too? |
| deleted user 29.05.2005 21:14 |
Yes it is nice to say thanks to all those who share their wares for us. But what would also be nice is for the uploaders to be honest about the stuff they upload. Now here is an example of the type of person I'm talking of. I downloaded the video clip for I Want It All from Belfast. The uploader, otbennett, claimed the quality was "Excellent". However when I watched it I thought it was not excellent, just very good and gave a good critic about it. And what did I get in return? A mouthfull of shit thats what. Here's the thread link |
| daveboy 30.05.2005 07:01 |
thank you all to everyone again |
| bigV 30.05.2005 08:02 |
My 2 cents: I can't say that I'm the most active member of QueenZone, but I read and post on occasion. I download stuff and I share as much as technology permits - my computer is an ancient piece of junk and my download/upload speed can't even begin to compare to most of yours. I help out whenever I can by posting songs and/or bootlegs. There is a fine line from sharing to leeching and I try not to cross it. And if for some reason I have offended anyone by not expressing my gratitude, I apologise. I am extremely grateful. You guys are great! Like Brian May said - the spirit of Queen is still alive and you are all a proof of that. Thank you! V. |
| deleted user 30.05.2005 08:33 |
the_hero wrote: Are you talking about the same Otbennett that sold stuff he downloaded here on e-bay.. hmm not a very good example thenI believe that may be so. Thankfully his type are few and far between. And a massive thank you to all who shared their stuff again. |
| icmrocha (The Man From Planet Marzipan) 07.06.2005 08:06 |
Mr Mercury wrote:That's right, but IMO people that download from Rapidshare should thank the uploaders just as well... I don't use torrents, and I always thank people for uploading in RS.. If politeness end, then there will be no sharing at all in a nearby future...bitesthedust wrote:No because RapidShare is nothing to do with the QZ Tracker. It is basically a file hosting site for those who wish to send large files to one another.Penetration_Guru wrote: If you use rapidshare, you upload it once and everyone that wants it can take it. If you use torrent, everyone can only get it as long as others do the right thing.yes I know that - I mean are those who use Rapidshare going to be monitored too? |
| Mr Mercury 07.06.2005 08:40 |
<b><font color=black> Ivanonymous </b> wrote: That's right, but IMO people that download from Rapidshare should thank the uploaders just as well... I don't use torrents, and I always thank people for uploading in RS.. If politeness end, then there will be no sharing at all in a nearby future...Thats equally correct, Ivan. A simple thanks to all who share, whether it be RS ot torrent, would be nice. My response was because someone had asked whether RS would be monitored like torrents will be. |
| Moustache 25.07.2005 11:13 |
I think that everyone that has the oppunity to download such great gigs can make at least one minute of time to say 'thanks'... I always do and I find it quite normal to do so... but I say it again: so all of you guys sharing the amazing stuff: THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!! grtz!!! |
| Stonie 25.07.2005 13:35 |
Why don't we have something like an hide option where the torrent is hidden and only by replying to the post you will get to see the torrentfile and will be able to download it. So everybody has to post before downloading! I see this a lot on all kinds of forums that share files/music and so on... I also see when there are only 2 seeders (and I am one of them) in the morning before I go to work and 10 leechers. When I'm back there are only 3 seeders and all leecherz are gone. And this can't be a good thing... BTW can somebody please reseed: "Queen + Paul Rodgers - It's Bliss! - Filaforum, Milan 05 April 2005" I'm stuck at 99,7%... Thank you for the person who is willing to help me out! |
| Val 25.07.2005 14:36 |
I had, unfortunately, no rare concert or interview or ANYTHING related to Queen (except Official released), when I joined QZ. It was one of the better experience I've made, and I would like to thanks all the QueenZoners who share the new concerts I have now. So, a GREAT thank to ROGER 37, The Hero, Fjac1980, The Lord of Darkness, Ale_Pisa, Don Gerolamo, Djaef... (I must forgot some extra people!!!) Thanks to all for making me discover a new world of Queen (I was born in 1987;-( ) |
| spod 25.07.2005 16:39 |
I must admit I have been guilty of not thanking people for downloads in the past - for which I now humbly apologise. Thanks to everyone here who make all this wonderful Queen material available to us all. As for torrents, I do tend to move stuff around which throws the torrents off - but I am currently trying to keep 4 or 5 torrent downloads where they are and keep the torrent up and running. I currently have, Buffalo, Boston, Imagine Hyde Park vids and Liverpool 73 and the Demos torrents open if anyone is looking for them. |
| Holden Caulfield 25.07.2005 17:48 |
I am as well among the people that don't post a thank you. I am very honest when I say that this is not out of laziness or ungratefulness. It is merely that starting the download is just a click and I always have 20+ windows opened.... I know it is not an excuse, but I am just trying to explain it. I recently posted a big thank you on the Queen Hub Messageboard. It is the same thing over there. I am thankful for everyone that shares something, but I don't get around thanking everybody personally. When it comes to torrents I try to keep them open for quite a bit when I'm finished (usually about 75% upload). So I will really try and post "thank you"s from now on. But if forget sometimes, be sure that I am grateful. Keep it up guys!! Btw, same goes for the people maintaining this forum/site and other Queen sites. Cheers, HC |
| CMG 25.07.2005 18:08 |
Yes, the people behind this site have made a lot of people happy. |
| gnomo 26.07.2005 04:40 |
... just to add my two cents, FWIW. I don't download much from QZ because I have very limited access to broadband (a few daytime hours on workdays). My way to say thank you has always been to use the highest upload rate available and keep the torrent terminal open as long as I can, above share rate 1.5 at least - I generally stop at 2 or 2.5, depending on the speed. As a result, large downloads usually remain incomplete for me, because they take days for me, while everybody else downloads faster than me then disappears, and seeders rightfully remove the files once the request drops, to make room for new material. But I avoid asking for reseeds because I don't think it would be polite to do so - after all, I am at fault if I wasn't able to catch that golden moment and enjoy some kind soul's generosity, and I have no right to ask for more. That said (though this should be in the request forum): anyone please any suggestion where I can find at least a video of Foreign Sand? I'm looking for either the live footage from Nara or the official TV promo; I already have the TOTP-like Japan TV show, which IMHO is the weakest emotionally. THANK YOU VERY MUCH everybody! -- Gnomo |
| john bodega 26.07.2005 10:33 |
Why aren't we thanking Queen? |