QueenZone discussion #547405
It didn't take too long: complete Houston 77
| riku_queencdr 25.05.2005 09:29 |
Please check this link: link and then see website: link I still wonder how Trancer can go on and on with this selling thing. It's simply amazing. I know other traders who have been threatened to get sued by Queen's lawyers but he just sells more and more.. This is exactly the reason why I still think certain recordings should not be available on the internet for free download. Go ahead, stone me to death for saying it but that's simply a fact. I do support sharing but when it comes to hard to find shows like this, there is always someone who wants to make money with it. One more reason for collectors to keep certain shows for themselves... |
| agneepath! 11994 25.05.2005 09:51 |
Are they actually selling an mp3 sourced version of Houston? Trancer's been taking the piss for years. Most fans are very surprised about how he gets away with selling official material. |
| agneepath! 11994 25.05.2005 09:58 |
"I do support sharing but when it comes to hard to find shows like this, there is always someone who wants to make money with it" I do understand but I think one of the reasons why Richard set up the Bit Torrent server here was to put the likes of Trancer out of business. |
| Libor2 25.05.2005 10:39 |
I think, more the shows are the usual ones, the less posibility to sell them. And if some people don't look around (if it isn't somewhere cheaper or free), it's apparently their fault and not the problem of sharing bootlegs for free. |
| Saint Jiub 25.05.2005 10:54 |
Oh well, so a few fools fatten Trancer's wallet. I hope more rare shows get shared. Why throw the baby out with the bath water. Sharing does much more good than any damage Trancers might do. |
| Maz 25.05.2005 11:08 |
Still, how does he get away with it? |
| bohemian 11513 25.05.2005 12:08 |
Is there anything we can do? Sadly, I don´t think so... Anyway, Rip thanx one more time for sharing it!!! |
| YourValentine 25.05.2005 12:30 |
Houston is not a bootleg, Libor, it's a (stolen copy of) a soundboard recording. Considering this, maybe Trancer went to far this time. |
| Libor2 25.05.2005 14:14 |
YourValentine wrote: Houston is not a bootleg, Libor, it's a (stolen copy of) a soundboard recording. Considering this, maybe Trancer went to far this time.Oh, well, Barbara, indeed. But, all in all, it's the same kind of copyrighted material anyway (as bootlegs are). But you can be right here. We'll see, if it makes any difference. |
| tilomagnet 25.05.2005 15:38 |
I think the situation is similar to the Earls Court´77 audio/video. It´s not a bootleg as it was professionally filmed for a possible release, but it´s not an official release either. I wonder how this guy can go on selling all these recordings. Nobody seems to care about this really. |
| fjac1980 25.05.2005 16:10 |
houston 77 . I think that is official in part. Remember the video of My Melancholy Blues, that appear in "Rare live". Must be a reason cause is not edited completly as official album o video. But, Still don't know it. |
| Jjeroen 25.05.2005 17:04 |
Gone are the days that Ebay still kicked your balls if one was selling illegal stuff... The only way to stop this guy is to report his activities to Ebay themselves. And indeed looking at that website, it makes one wonder... I still remember too well specific websites that had to close down on order from officials for just publishing song LYRICS! |
| greantings 25.05.2005 18:15 |
Here's my suggestion: * Register a fake user on eBay and bid something like $90,000. * Report him to eBay. * Give him REALLY bad feedback (especially for trying to sell mp3 sourced music, downloaded for free on the Internet!). The best part is that he can't do anything about it, because after all HE'S the one who is not following the rules. IMHO, the only way to put people like this out of business is sharing hard-to-find recordings for free on the Internet. That way there's no market for selling stuff, especially not when you can get it for free... |
| icmrocha (The Man From Planet Marzipan) 25.05.2005 18:26 |
These guys that download concerts and sell them make me sick.... |
| tilomagnet 26.05.2005 02:38 |
humanoidboogie wrote: IMHO, the only way to put people like this out of business is sharing hard-to-find recordings for free on the Internet. That way there's no market for selling stuff, especially not when you can get it for free...I think this guy is the best example that this doesn´t work. The more concerts are on here(or somewhere else) for downloading the more he is going to sell and there are always people who don´t realize they aren´t official etc. |
| riku_queencdr 26.05.2005 03:38 |
I'ts only a fraction of world's Queen fans who visit this site. Most of them still browse ebay from time to time. We like it or not, sharing concerts like this will increase the number of sellers. Most fans don't even know about a place called Queenzone so they think their only chance to get this show is to buy it from ebay sellers. The majority of people don't care if a show is from mp3 or not. They don't know how mp3 works and are just happy to hear the show. They don't buy it for trading purposes but to listen to it. Too bad they end up getting an inferior copy with cuts on WWRY fast, '39 and White Man when there is also an error-free version around.. |
| riku_queencdr 26.05.2005 07:27 |
Those boot names are just something that Trancer came up with. Those are not "real" bootlegs (silver pressed) but cheap CDR copies, like the ones we all can make from the downloads here. He just creates nice artwork and prints some text/art on the labels, that's all. |
| scprof 26.05.2005 07:56 |
HUMANOIDBOOGIE has the right idea for this. Let's all put really bad feedback on e-bay for this person so his rating will plummet. His rating is currently at 94% so people will happily buy from him at the moment. Also if we leave link in for Queenzone then the people who are buying the stuff from him might download from here instead and stop giving him money. Which would be a shame. |
| scprof 26.05.2005 07:56 |
Made a mistake. His feedback rating is 99.4%!! |
| Jjeroen 26.05.2005 08:00 |
...nowadays it is not that easy anymore to take a fake-account on Ebay (new registry's need to fill in their credit-card number!) and second; if want to make his feedback drop, you first have to buy from this guy! Report it to Ebay and report it to QP. That's all that can be done. What another option is: look at the bidders and send them an e-mail telling them where to download the stuff for free. |
| Brianmay1975 26.05.2005 08:36 |
Err, guys if this is official material, how comes it was shared in here?... There's some point I just don't get. Obviously Trancer should be punished for selling official material, but if Houston 77 is indeed an official recording, then queenzone is in danger to be punished too for sharing it for free. Don't get me wrong, I downloaded the thing with great joy, but this discussion just makes me wonder... On the other hand, if also the Earl's Court video falls in the same category, then it means we have shared lots of non-allowed material in here: Hyde Park, Hammersmith Odeon (both 75 and 79), Music Box Munich 79, Pavillion de Paris, 46664 2005 and other professional video recordings I can remember of. So...? |
| tilomagnet 26.05.2005 09:06 |
Houston as well as the others is not an official product, but it was filmed to be released someday(maybe). The usual "bootlegs" are mostly audience recordings, made using amateur equipement, therefore none of them will ever be released officially of course. But in general it´s illegal to sell any unreleased material no matter if it´s a proshot or an audience recording. |
| tilomagnet 26.05.2005 09:11 |
Brianmay1975 wrote: Err, guys if this is official material, how comes it was shared in here?... There's some point I just don't get. Obviously Trancer should be punished for selling official material, but if Houston 77 is indeed an official recording, then queenzone is in danger to be punished too for sharing it for free.It´s a big difference if you put something for download here for free without making any profit for yourself or if you make some kind of business out of it by selling unreleased material like this guy obviously does. |
| Libor2 26.05.2005 11:28 |
In fact, every such material we could call "grey". It's not official (so no money are lost for companies), but it's also not permitted to put it out freely. So it's always on the band/management/label (or whoever owns the copyright), if they let this be, or if they stop it. QP in this case (ie. bootlegs or unofficial materials on QZ) "close their eyes" so far (they could, of course, always change their mind). But "closing eyes" applies only to unofficial material shared for free. If anything from this "grey" zone is selled for money, it's another situation, because someone tries to earn money from things, which definitely don't belongs to him. Here the reaction of copyright owner could be very different. Unfortunately, it could end with strong prohibition of any such material anywhere too (despite if it's offered for free or not). |
| Khizzy 26.05.2005 16:20 |
riku_queencdr wrote: Please check this link: link and then see website: link I still wonder how Trancer can go on and on with this selling thing. It's simply amazing. I know other traders who have been threatened to get sued by Queen's lawyers but he just sells more and more.. This is exactly the reason why I still think certain recordings should not be available on the internet for free download. Go ahead, stone me to death for saying it but that's simply a fact. I do support sharing but when it comes to hard to find shows like this, there is always someone who wants to make money with it. One more reason for collectors to keep certain shows for themselves...Trancer is a twat... he's got my recording of Roger Taylor live at Gloucester 99 (very rare recording) for sale on his site..... |
| Brianmay1975 27.05.2005 09:26 |
tilomagnet wrote:Thanks. Now I understand the way things go... After all, QP are not that bad :) I mean they do "close their eyes" to offering bootlegs on this board. Hmm, good for them...Brianmay1975 wrote: Err, guys if this is official material, how comes it was shared in here?... There's some point I just don't get. Obviously Trancer should be punished for selling official material, but if Houston 77 is indeed an official recording, then queenzone is in danger to be punished too for sharing it for free.It´s a big difference if you put something for download here for free without making any profit for yourself or if you make some kind of business out of it by selling unreleased material like this guy obviously does. |
| greantings 27.05.2005 11:24 |
I sent him a question on eBay, asking if his items were factory pressed CD's or CDR's and if they were sourced from mp3 or wma... No answer yet, funnily enough. ;-) |
| tilomagnet 27.05.2005 11:26 |
@Brianmay1975 Yes, trading live recordings is tolerated to some extent by record companies as long as no official material is traded and nobody is making any profit out of it for himself. That´s why so many people wonder why Trancer´s site is still open and he doesn´t seem to get in any trouble with his bootleg sales. |
| Maz 27.05.2005 11:55 |
Yes, but A) Trancer does not trade; he sells. B) This is not solely unofficial material. Look around and you will find him selling bootleg versions of the Tribute Concert, Cyberbarn, and Live at Brixton Academy. Record companies and artists put a blind eye to us because no money is being made on QZ. But why do they ignore someone who is blatantly making a profit on their vested interests, and are at times directly competing with the same product? |
| Charlie Gimbert 27.05.2005 22:24 |
riku_queencdr wrote: This is exactly the reason why I still think certain recordings should not be available on the internet for free download. Go ahead, stone me to death for saying it but that's simply a fact. I do support sharing but when it comes to hard to find shows like this, there is always someone who wants to make money with it. One more reason for collectors to keep certain shows for themselves...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz................ |
| Mr. Scully 30.05.2005 07:32 |
I myself did sell bootlegs in the past and I still do that sometimes, although only very very scarcely these days (average would be 5 sold CD's per month) and for marginal prices, compared to Trancer's. So I'm not the one who could blame Trancer for selling bootlegs. But he's not a fan, he's a dealer, a businessman who earns a lot of money on stupidity of people. I even bought two bootlegs from him in 1997 - my two most expensive bootleg CD-R's I ever had :-) ... and I also don't understand why Queen Productions ignore him... |
| bitesthedust 30.05.2005 08:33 |
Mr. Scully wrote: I myself did sell bootlegs in the past and I still do that sometimes, although only very very scarcely these days (average would be 5 sold CD's per month) and for marginal prices, compared to Trancer's. So I'm not the one who could blame Trancer for selling bootlegs. But he's not a fan, he's a dealer, a businessman who earns a lot of money on stupidity of people. I even bought two bootlegs from him in 1997 - my two most expensive bootleg CD-R's I ever had :-) ... and I also don't understand why Queen Productions ignore him...I bought 3 from him in 2003...Milton Keynes 1982 (then incomplete before the official release), Copenhagen 1978 & New Jersey 1982. Like Mr.Scully, these were expensive boots (I paid about £42 inc. p&p) - but the sound quality was excellent ! Obviously now I can trade and download from QZ there's no need to go back... |
| onevsion 05.06.2005 11:32 |
I agree with Martin. I think most of us at some point sold or bought a bootleg. I bought a bootleg from Trancer a long time ago (in 1998 i think) to start swapping concerts) I sold all my silverpressed bootlegs + trancers home made bootleg a few months ago (in total about 6 shows) Simply because i'm not interested in having silverpressed bootlegs anymore. It's the music that counts. That's why i only collect concerts... not silverpressed bootlegs Trancer is indeed making a bussiness out of selling home made cd-r bootlegs with other people's recordings. That's very wrong. I hope some real rare stuff (like Drammen 1982) will never be online. Trading is the only way to get those rare shows!!! Otherwise rats like Trancer are going to sell the rare recordings! |
| Saint Jiub 05.06.2005 13:29 |
Ducksoup wrote: I hope some real rare stuff (like Drammen 1982) will never be online. Trading is the only way to get those rare shows!!! Otherwise rats like Trancer are going to sell the rare recordings!You are just using Trancers as an excuse not share, and to preserve the trading clique. How many fools are there that buy from trancers and his kind? I bet it is miniscule compared to the sharing on the QueenHub and on QueenZone. Some traders focus on Trancers and his ilk rather than foucsing on the big picture and the joy that could be brought by sharing with others. I realize, that a lot of "rare" stuff has been "leaked" or shared the last fews years (starting with Monkberry?), and I am grateful, but there always seems to be some sort of backlash from someone in the trading community whenever something is leaked or is threatened to be leaked. Oh well, there are not too many concert jewels left that are must haves anymore. What is it about Drammen anyway? There are at least a dozen 1982 concerts in very good or better quality with similar set lists. I just do not see what is so special about that concert. |
| inu-liger 05.06.2005 14:02 |
Perhaps if we as a collective group brought Trancer's illegal website to the attention of Brian via his website('s e-mail address), then he can get his lawyers to get the ISP providing the hosting service for queencollector.com to shut down and delete the website, since he IS selling official material. That's the only possible solution I could think of, cos Trancer will just ignore our e-mails otherwise. |
| Rick 05.06.2005 14:05 |
Rip Van Winkle wrote:It's one of the best Hot Space-gigs, it's the only concert held in Norway in Queen's career and only a few people have it. That makes it so rare and so everybody wants it.Ducksoup wrote: I hope some real rare stuff (like Drammen 1982) will never be online. Trading is the only way to get those rare shows!!! Otherwise rats like Trancer are going to sell the rare recordings!What is it about Drammen anyway? There are at least a dozen 1982 concerts in very good or better quality with similar set lists. I just do not see what is so special about that concert. |
| Agr123456 05.06.2005 18:27 |
Totaly agree with Rip Van Winkle, we have a lot of boots from 1982, and if that gig was he only concert held in Norway in Queen's career, it doesn´t mean that is a rarity, well to me of course, it´s only a gig more... And soon or later will be online to download...FM+MJ tracks were rarities, The Mirtacle Demos were ratities, Hot Space Demos were rarities.....etc etc etc... |
| queenmagicvision 08.06.2005 02:47 |
why noone tells the real name of 'Trancer'? He is: JAMES MORAN from Katty, Texas |
| YourValentine 08.06.2005 04:55 |
Why don't you tell us your own name, queenmagicvision? You are a seller, too. |
| Jjeroen 08.06.2005 12:47 |
Rick wrote:...And let's not forget that 'Liar' was included in the setlist that night! The only time in this era that they played it; 11 (eleven!) minutes long and WHAT a rendition!!Rip Van Winkle wrote:It's one of the best Hot Space-gigs, it's the only concert held in Norway in Queen's career and only a few people have it. That makes it so rare and so everybody wants it.Ducksoup wrote: I hope some real rare stuff (like Drammen 1982) will never be online. Trading is the only way to get those rare shows!!! Otherwise rats like Trancer are going to sell the rare recordings!What is it about Drammen anyway? There are at least a dozen 1982 concerts in very good or better quality with similar set lists. I just do not see what is so special about that concert. |
| tilomagnet 09.06.2005 11:42 |
jeroen wrote:No, Liar was played during several early HS shows, Zürich or Frankfurt for example. But in Oslo it´s on a very unusual place in the setlist after BoRhap and before AOBTD. Also this show seems to have a guitar solo unlike most other early HS shows.Rick wrote:...And let's not forget that 'Liar' was included in the setlist that night! The only time in this era that they played it; 11 (eleven!) minutes long and WHAT a rendition!!Rip Van Winkle wrote:It's one of the best Hot Space-gigs, it's the only concert held in Norway in Queen's career and only a few people have it. That makes it so rare and so everybody wants it.Ducksoup wrote: I hope some real rare stuff (like Drammen 1982) will never be online. Trading is the only way to get those rare shows!!! Otherwise rats like Trancer are going to sell the rare recordings!What is it about Drammen anyway? There are at least a dozen 1982 concerts in very good or better quality with similar set lists. I just do not see what is so special about that concert. |
| bitesthedust 09.06.2005 13:46 |
tilomagnet wrote:Liar @ Frankfurt 1982 rules ! takes me back to the Osaka 04/04/1976 boot I own...jeroen wrote:No, Liar was played during several early HS shows, Zürich or Frankfurt for example. But in Oslo it´s on a very unusual place in the setlist after BoRhap and before AOBTD. Also this show seems to have a guitar solo unlike most other early HS shows.Rick wrote:...And let's not forget that 'Liar' was included in the setlist that night! The only time in this era that they played it; 11 (eleven!) minutes long and WHAT a rendition!!Rip Van Winkle wrote:It's one of the best Hot Space-gigs, it's the only concert held in Norway in Queen's career and only a few people have it. That makes it so rare and so everybody wants it.Ducksoup wrote: I hope some real rare stuff (like Drammen 1982) will never be online. Trading is the only way to get those rare shows!!! Otherwise rats like Trancer are going to sell the rare recordings!What is it about Drammen anyway? There are at least a dozen 1982 concerts in very good or better quality with similar set lists. I just do not see what is so special about that concert. |
| boggle 06.07.2005 04:31 |
Trancer is a twat... he's got my recording of Roger Taylor live at Gloucester 99 (very rare recording) for sale on his site..... If it is a rare recording how did he get it? |
| Fairy Fellers 06.07.2005 05:22 |
He downloads it here :o) |
| 3cc 06.07.2005 20:50 |
This is exactly the reason why people SHOULD share these shows. If no one will share them then people like me will be tempted to buy them thus supporting the sellers. |