QueenZeppelin 12.05.2005 16:06 |
I'm about to say something that will doubtlessly piss many of you off, I'm aware of that, but it's been carefully thought out......and I know I'm not the only one who thinks this..... A Night at the Opera is overrated and detracts from Queen's other studio works. The 1975 album, generally considered by fans and critics alike to be Queen's crowning achievment and masterstroke, seems to be overhyped and draws attention away from other albums that are equally as good and (in my opinion) even better. Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon is disposable novelty, Seaside Rendezvous the same, Sweet Lady is abominable and Good Company sub-par. This leaves you with Bohemian Rhapsody, You're My Best Friend, Prophet's Song, I'm In Love With My Car (and even that was sub-par as far as a Queen rocker goes) and Death On Two Legs. I love all of those songs, but their presence doesn't necessarily equal an entirely solid album. To me, Sheer Heart Attack and News Of The World blow A Night at the Opera away. Sheer Heart Attack was an incredibly solid album that showed how eclectic Queen could be and how well they could pull it off, but without compromising their hard-rock roots. It's tough to find a weak link on the entire album. No wonder it was recently voted the sixth greatest British album of all time by Kerrang! Magazine readers. News Of The World, while maybe not as "concept" album-esque as their previous albums to that point, had so many incredble songs all in one place. Only Queen could pull off making an album where anthems like We Will Rock You and We Are the Champions AREN'T the best tracks on the album. Spread Your Wings, It's Late, Sheer Heart Attack, Get Down Make Love, Sleeping On the Sidewalk.....almost every song on that album knocks my dick in the dirt every time I listen to it. I'm not saying A Night at the Opera was bad--it was awesome. But there were other albums where Queen were just as eclectic, just as solid but also kept their hard-rock roots intact and strong--something A Night at the Opera doesn't really capture. To me, it shows a lot of Queen at their lightest, and to me, many other Queen fans and critics alike, it was when Queen were at their heaviest that they were at their best. I think that's why they were so much better in concert-- it was Brian May and Roger Taylor unleashed, ready to give every song their all with guitar and drumming power. Like I've said, they could still be eclectic but keep a rock sound to it. To me they didn't keep their rock roots intact on ANATO, and to canonize this album distracts from other compositions that were stronger and capture both the power as well as the essence of Queen much better. Discuss! |
Thunderbolt of God 12.05.2005 16:10 |
I totally agree - my favourite albums are A Day at the Races and Queen II. So many of the songs on ANATO have better predecessors: Bohemian Rhapsody - March of the Black Queen Death on Two Legs - Flick of the Wrist Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon - Bring Back That Leroy Brown The list goes on... |
wstüssyb 12.05.2005 16:12 |
Queen II-ADATR (IMO!!!) were the best of the 70's. But that is just me. |
Boy Thomas Raker 12.05.2005 16:38 |
Good post QZ, but while SHA is an amazing album, ANATO is the album where Queen hit their creative stride. It would be just as easy (I won't) to call Leroy Brown disposable novelty as Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon or Seaside Rendezvous. But all of those songs found Queen mining new territory, and doing it tongue in cheek. I think Sweet Lady is a great Queen rocker with more guitar subtlety than 99% of the fans pick up on, and personally think that Good Company is the most under-appreciated guitar song EVER, regardless of band. That is utter genius. I hear where you're coming from though. BoRhap brought more focus to the band, and because of that other albums get lost in the shuffle. Well thought out though. |
QueenZeppelin 12.05.2005 16:40 |
Hm, yes, I see where your coming from but it seemed like the novelty was in greater abundance in ANATO then in Sheer Heart Attack or News Of The World. |
mike hunt 12.05.2005 18:53 |
i'll agree to disagree with queenzep. anato is queen truly at their creative peak. queen were never just a hard rock band, if you want that go listen to AC/DC. i agree sheer heart attack is as good, also queen2, i think their first six you could go back and forth with, debate forever which one is the best, there's no right or wrong answers, my first 6 are queen2, anato, sha, adatr, and queen, notw, those 6 change alot. MY point? i think it's a typical queenzoner to call anato overated, it kind of shows who i'm talking queen with, people who know very little about queen. |
written_in_the_stars 12.05.2005 20:37 |
I think ANATO was a great album, but I do believe it isn't the only Queen masterpiece. To me, Queen and Queen II also are, as well as SHA, ADATR and, later, Innuendo. I don't think ANATO is overrated but I have the feeling that the other masterpieces didn't get ALL the credit they actually deserved - but that's only my opinion. |
djaef 12.05.2005 22:11 |
wstüssyb wrote: Queen II-ADATR (IMO!!!) were the best of the 70's. But that is just me.I think you'd find a LOT of fans agree with you on that assessment. They're the two best albums the band ever made. :) |
Crazy LittleThing 12.05.2005 23:23 |
QueenZeppelin wrote: I'm about to say something that will doubtlessly piss many of you off, I'm aware of that, but it's been carefully thought out......and I know I'm not the only one who thinks this..... A Night at the Opera is overrated and detracts from Queen's other studio works. The 1975 album, generally considered by fans and critics alike to be Queen's crowning achievment and masterstroke, seems to be overhyped and draws attention away from other albums that are equally as good and (in my opinion) even better. Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon is disposable novelty, Seaside Rendezvous the same, Sweet Lady is abominable and Good Company sub-par. This leaves you with Bohemian Rhapsody, You're My Best Friend, Prophet's Song, I'm In Love With My Car (and even that was sub-par as far as a Queen rocker goes) and Death On Two Legs. I love all of those songs, but their presence doesn't necessarily equal an entirely solid album. To me, Sheer Heart Attack and News Of The World blow A Night at the Opera away. Sheer Heart Attack was an incredibly solid album that showed how eclectic Queen could be and how well they could pull it off, but without compromising their hard-rock roots. It's tough to find a weak link on the entire album. No wonder it was recently voted the sixth greatest British album of all time by Kerrang! Magazine readers. News Of The World, while maybe not as "concept" album-esque as their previous albums to that point, had so many incredble songs all in one place. Only Queen could pull off making an album where anthems like We Will Rock You and We Are the Champions AREN'T the best tracks on the album. Spread Your Wings, It's Late, Sheer Heart Attack, Get Down Make Love, Sleeping On the Sidewalk.....almost every song on that album knocks my dick in the dirt every time I listen to it. I'm not saying A Night at the Opera was bad--it was awesome. But there were other albums where Queen were just as eclectic, just as solid but also kept their hard-rock roots intact and strong--something A Night at the Opera doesn't really capture. To me, it shows a lot of Queen at their lightest, and to me, many other Queen fans and critics alike, it was when Queen were at their heaviest that they were at their best. I think that's why they were so much better in concert-- it was Brian May and Roger Taylor unleashed, ready to give every song their all with guitar and drumming power. Like I've said, they could still be eclectic but keep a rock sound to it. To me they didn't keep their rock roots intact on ANATO, and to canonize this album distracts from other compositions that were stronger and capture both the power as well as the essence of Queen much better. Discuss!Hmmmm . . . one of the guys from Motley Crue (Nikki Sixx maybe?) was quoted a while back on brianmay.com to have said a very similar thing (in caps) "almost every song on that album KNOCKS MY DICK IN THE DIRT every time I listen to it." about Queen II. Strange coincidence or is positively EVERYONE using that term to describe Queen's work? ;-) |
Grantcdn 12.05.2005 23:46 |
A Night At the Opera was One of their finest...but I think A Day at the Races was tremendously over-rated...but had some great songs Tie Your Mother Down, Somebody to Love, White Man and Millionaire Waltz...after that it got weaker in a hurry....Seaside Rendezvous was way better than Good Old Fashioned Loverboy which is a struggle for me to listen to......other great albums were SHA, Queen 1, NOTW, Jazz, Innuendo and I still love the Miracle... |
boy of destiny 13.05.2005 01:41 |
Actually I tend to agree. I think Q2, ADATR and NOTW are all much more complete albums. |
willem-jan 8923 13.05.2005 02:46 |
Crazy LittleThing wrote:Either that, or we have Motley Crue members posting on this website.QueenZeppelin wrote: I'm about to say something that will doubtlessly piss many of you off, I'm aware of that, but it's been carefully thought out......and I know I'm not the only one who thinks this..... A Night at the Opera is overrated and detracts from Queen's other studio works. The 1975 album, generally considered by fans and critics alike to be Queen's crowning achievment and masterstroke, seems to be overhyped and draws attention away from other albums that are equally as good and (in my opinion) even better. Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon is disposable novelty, Seaside Rendezvous the same, Sweet Lady is abominable and Good Company sub-par. This leaves you with Bohemian Rhapsody, You're My Best Friend, Prophet's Song, I'm In Love With My Car (and even that was sub-par as far as a Queen rocker goes) and Death On Two Legs. I love all of those songs, but their presence doesn't necessarily equal an entirely solid album. To me, Sheer Heart Attack and News Of The World blow A Night at the Opera away. Sheer Heart Attack was an incredibly solid album that showed how eclectic Queen could be and how well they could pull it off, but without compromising their hard-rock roots. It's tough to find a weak link on the entire album. No wonder it was recently voted the sixth greatest British album of all time by Kerrang! Magazine readers. News Of The World, while maybe not as "concept" album-esque as their previous albums to that point, had so many incredble songs all in one place. Only Queen could pull off making an album where anthems like We Will Rock You and We Are the Champions AREN'T the best tracks on the album. Spread Your Wings, It's Late, Sheer Heart Attack, Get Down Make Love, Sleeping On the Sidewalk.....almost every song on that album knocks my dick in the dirt every time I listen to it. I'm not saying A Night at the Opera was bad--it was awesome. But there were other albums where Queen were just as eclectic, just as solid but also kept their hard-rock roots intact and strong--something A Night at the Opera doesn't really capture. To me, it shows a lot of Queen at their lightest, and to me, many other Queen fans and critics alike, it was when Queen were at their heaviest that they were at their best. I think that's why they were so much better in concert-- it was Brian May and Roger Taylor unleashed, ready to give every song their all with guitar and drumming power. Like I've said, they could still be eclectic but keep a rock sound to it. To me they didn't keep their rock roots intact on ANATO, and to canonize this album distracts from other compositions that were stronger and capture both the power as well as the essence of Queen much better. Discuss!Hmmmm . . . one of the guys from Motley Crue (Nikki Sixx maybe?) was quoted a while back on brianmay.com to have said a very similar thing (in caps) "almost every song on that album KNOCKS MY DICK IN THE DIRT every time I listen to it." about Queen II. Strange coincidence or is positively EVERYONE using that term to describe Queen's work? ;-) I fully agree about the opinion that ANATO is not better then most of their 70's albums. I still have Queen II on top of my list (closely followed by Queen I) |
Oberon 13.05.2005 03:06 |
mike hunt wrote: i'll agree to disagree with queenzep. anato is queen truly at their creative peak. queen were never just a hard rock band, if you want that go listen to AC/DC. i agree sheer heart attack is as good, also queen2, i think their first six you could go back and forth with, debate forever which one is the best, there's no right or wrong answers, my first 6 are queen2, anato, sha, adatr, and queen, notw, those 6 change alot. MY point? i think it's a typical queenzoner to call anato overated, it kind of shows who i'm talking queen with, people who know very little about queen.I think that's a very good point - the first six albums all have very different characteristics and ingage the listener in different ways. ANATO/ADATR are closer together than any of the others, and that has been acknowledged by the band. But then you put Innuendo into the mix, and you see that they were turning back to the 70s model - some awsome intricate numbers (Innuendo, SMGO) with some "fun" or "delicate" numbers (IGSM, Delilah, Bijou). You could indeed argue this stuff for hours (and we probably will) but all that means (and proves) is that Queen were a great group who wrote excellent and varied music (and I'd still include HS and FG in that!!!! - Ducks...) |
daniboy 13.05.2005 06:16 |
Am i the only one or did someone else saw that he didnt mention Love of my life??? |
Fenderek 13.05.2005 06:41 |
It's NOT their best (SHA for me), but it's definitely ONE OF the best. Unlike many other albums this one is an entity, AN ALBUM rather than few songs just put together |
Boy Thomas Raker 13.05.2005 09:27 |
Another factor that has been overlooked so far is that it's the definitive Queen album in terms of production. Things that were hinted at in the first 3 albums came to fruition due to the fact that they had the studio time and money behind them for the first time. Whether Good Company is a better song than Leroy Brown is arbitrary. The fact that Brian recorded Good Company in 3 weeks to give it the jazzy feel seperates it from Leroy Brown. They got to tap all of their creative juices for the first time on ANATO. |
alibat 13.05.2005 10:20 |
Its not so much that ANATO is overated, more that some other albums are underated, especially NOTW, Jazz and Queen II. SHA and ADATR are equals to ANATO in my mind. Its status has a lot to do with the fact that it was the bands breakthrough album and included BoRap. Queen are not the only band to have their other albums put in the shade by one album. Most people hail Led Zep IV as their best, and it includes the best known Zep track Stairway to Heaven. But Zep II and Physical Graffiti are just as good, PG possibly being their best ever album. |
Hitman 13.05.2005 10:43 |
Naaaaaaah i'm too lazy on a friday afternoon to list all the good points on ANATO, but for my taste and my music standards i really think that ANATO is better than Sheer heart attack and News of the world (also considering that news of the world is very different in sounds and "time") though we are talking about three amazing albums! well, the world is interesting cos we have different opinions |
Slightly Dazed 13.05.2005 12:05 |
ANATO rocks!! I love every song off that album! Where as the other albums there is at least one song I dont love! |
Manic 13.05.2005 14:52 |
Great thread! To me, every album Queen have done has their strengths and weaknesses (even the much maligned Hot Space). I personally find it difficult to nominate a favourite, it varies from Innuendo to Jazz to Q2 etc depending on the mood I'm in. There is no doubt that the inclusion of Bohemian Rhapsody, with the impact that had on Rock music, is the reason ANATO is held in such reverence, but that doesn't mean it doesn't deserve to be. Rip them all to MP3, load playlist and hit SHUFFLE. It's amazing how fresh the songs sound when you don't know what's coming next. |
mike hunt 13.05.2005 15:17 |
i'll agree with one of the last post 'alibat,' hit the nail on the head saying 'anato' wasn't overated, but alot of other queen albums were simply way underated. to me to call anato overated is simply not right, do you realize i don't remember anato being mention to offen with the likes of 'nirvana's nevermind' or gun's roses. even bon jovi albums get mentioned before anato on alot of list, so don't give me this shit about anato being overated, it's way underated, a masterpiece in every way. i think what queenzep is trying to say is, the first six queen album's are underated, also innuendo, the game and jazz you could make the case were underated. |
Mr.Jingles 13.05.2005 15:33 |
I agree with you in some points. A lot of people complain that the 80s albums had too many "refills", but turns out to be that the 70s album had their share of refills as well. |
mike hunt 13.05.2005 15:56 |
i agree with the last, but i have to disagree with Mr. jingles a bit. i don't think the first six queen albums had much filler at all, jazz has one or two filler (more of that jazz), but generally speaking anato doesn't have any filler that i could see. some say 'good company,' to me that's a joke, the song is brilliant, i think people say that because it's sandwiched between three of queen's best. |
QueenZeppelin 13.05.2005 16:12 |
alibat wrote: Its not so much that ANATO is overated, more that some other albums are underated.I completely agree. I wasn't really trying to say that ANATO was overrated overall, but to me, Queen had several equally as good albums (probably better) that didn't get as much credit. I in no way meant that ANATO was a "bad" album. It's incredible. But when people are compiling lists or whatever, it's always this one that gets the most credit, and not some of their other works. |
QueenZeppelin 13.05.2005 16:13 |
And I didn't mean to forget Love Of My Life. It's one of my favorite Queen songs. :( |
Little_Queenie 13.05.2005 17:38 |
I wouldn't agree ANATO is overrated. It can't be, it's one of the best albums in rock history, imho. But I totally agree Queen made more albums, just as good, if not better, and for me those are Queen ll and ADATR. But they are all great (i mean first five - six), and it's all matter of taste. I guess my fave is Queen ll. But SHA is also great... Anyway, ANATO is NOT overrated, it's rated high as it should be. |
brENsKi 13.05.2005 17:50 |
Thunderbolt of God wrote: I totally agree - my favourite albums are A Day at the Races and Queen II. So many of the songs on ANATO have better predecessors: Bohemian Rhapsody - March of the Black Queen Death on Two Legs - Flick of the Wrist Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon - Bring Back That Leroy Brown The list goes on...i would agree with this totally - and as a heretic against the Church of the Opera - i will bring my own matches and kindling for my ritual burning but Races and queen II absolutely blow Opera away - imho |
NTL 14.05.2005 08:17 |
Ive always found 'opera' quite difficult to listen to from start to finish, it seems quite a mish-mash and I personally dont think it flows very well, which is why I am always baffled when Bri goes on about how it was meant to be listened to from start to finish and how well everything flows together. Out of all of queens albums I would say the three I listen to the least are AKOM, The Game and ANATO. |