| mike hunt 11.05.2005 04:18 |
don't believe me, don't give me this B.S that john deacon meant as much to queen than freddie and brian. just look at all the influeces, freddie's influece is endless, to many names to even try to mention. brian is the second most influencial. once in a while you hear roger's name mentioned and john never is mentioned by other musicians, so stop this B.S. it's all about who influenced the most musicians, it's pretty obvious that's freddie. even when i mention brian may's name to a music fan, they look at me like 'who's brian may,' that says it all. |
| RainMustFall2 11.05.2005 06:30 |
I believe without John, Queen wouldn't have an excellent bassist, and without Roger, Queen would have lost its highest vocals (e.g. opera of Bohemian Rhapsody). |
| Serry... 11.05.2005 07:56 |
Another One Bites The Dust is the best ever selling Queen single. That's it. |
| mike hunt 11.05.2005 13:08 |
all of you are full of it. i'm not saying roger and john meant nothing to queen, i know they contributed, but to say, john meant as much to queen than freddie is showing alot of ignorance, and saying john is the best bass player in the world is showing even more ignorance, john was a good but not great bass player, grow up people. i know john and roger were great songwriters and were talented, but know one ever mentions john as a great influence and roger is only sometimes mentioned. brian and freddie are the big infuences. don't believe me? check out any queen documentry, freddie is mentioned first, followed by brian. that's not an opinion, it's a fact. get over it. |
| Serry... 11.05.2005 13:10 |
Ringo Starr is not the best drummer ever, not many artists have got any influence from his works, but he still is Ringo Starr, one from The Beatles. Same about John. That's it. |
| mike hunt 11.05.2005 13:33 |
what's your point? to the one who say's john is the greatest bass player, your kidding right? he was a good bass player, nothing more, i never heard anyone mention him as an influence, that doesn't mean he sucks, but he didn't have his own style, like brian and freddie. ringo starr is a much bigger influence in music than john deacon. i don't wanna sound like a deacon basher beause he's actually a fantastic song writer, i like all his songs, but don't give me this B.S about queen couldn't have done it without him. listen to other bass players, like geddy lee and les clay and entwisle, now those are great bass players. |
| Going Back 11.05.2005 13:42 |
mike whats your point?? everyone has his own notion. if you think it was all about freddie and brian thats ok, but whats wrong when others think there was john and roger to? i dont get it whats the point of this topic, did you thought that everyone will say yeah youre so right about it, or were you just in a bad move? |
| mike hunt 11.05.2005 13:46 |
no bad mood here, i never said it was all freddie and brian, my point is people talk out of their (you know what) sometimes someone has to put them back in reality. |
| Serry... 11.05.2005 13:51 |
mike hunt wrote: what's your point? to the one who say's john is the greatest bass player, your kidding right? he was a good bass player, nothing more, i never heard anyone mention him as an influence, that doesn't mean he sucks, but he didn't have his own style, like brian and freddie. ringo starr is a much bigger influence in music than john deacon. i don't wanna sound like a deacon basher beause he's actually a fantastic song writer, i like all his songs, but don't give me this B.S about queen couldn't have done it without him. listen to other bass players, like geddy lee and les clay and entwisle, now those are great bass players.So I'd put you back to reality too. Read again what I wrote above: RINGO STARR IS NOT THE BEST DRUMMER EVER bla-bla-bla THE SAME ABOUT JOHN. And now you tell me that I've said that he's the greatest bass player?! Ringo didn't influenced a lot of artists, The Beatles did, but not Ringo. That's reality. The other reality is the band chemistry - if John would be a wrong person, they could work with Mitchell or Groose! |
| mike hunt 11.05.2005 14:03 |
'mr. holland' said john was the greatest bass player ever. the fact is ringo starr with the beatles and solo is mentioned by other musicians alot more than john deacon. isn't ringo in the rock n roll hall, he might be, but i'm not sure. |
| Live Killer 11.05.2005 14:09 |
shut up mike... |
| Erin 11.05.2005 14:17 |
Bottom line is that the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. Each member played a crucial role in making Queen the greatest band ever..:-) |
| JDL2nd 11.05.2005 15:04 |
John Deacon is a very basic bassplayer. It makes me sometimes laugh, but I think he is great because it's briliant if you can earn milions of money without doing much. |
| Rick 11.05.2005 15:10 |
"freddie and brian were the most improtant members of queen" Oh important, I thought impotent... |
| Boy Thomas Raker 11.05.2005 15:24 |
The genius of John Deacon is he played for the song. Is he as "good" as Billy Sheehan of Mr. Big? Maybe not, but he had an inherent sense of what worked for the song, as did Roger, and Brian, and Freddie. That's why those four working together were more successful than any of their solo efforts. I know that Cozy Powell was a highly regarded drummer, but I hated the sound of his drums on Brian's solo stuff. That's why supergroups seldom work. |
| gmhmagic 11.05.2005 15:59 |
Mike, get yourself a life... you are on a Queen forum discussing about something on what you are extremely wrong... Queen is the only band in the world, in which all the members wrote a No. 1 hit. There might be many other bass players, as you have mentioned... but John Deacon was as importante as Freddie, Brian, or Roger... I love The Beatles too... but where´s Ringo´s No. 1???? |
| Little_Queenie 11.05.2005 17:37 |
mike hunt wrote: what's your point? to the one who say's john is the greatest bass player, your kidding right? he was a good bass player, nothing more, i never heard anyone mention him as an influence, that doesn't mean he sucks, but he didn't have his own style, like brian and freddie. ringo starr is a much bigger influence in music than john deacon. i don't wanna sound like a deacon basher beause he's actually a fantastic song writer, i like all his songs, but don't give me this B.S about queen couldn't have done it without him. listen to other bass players, like geddy lee and les clay and entwisle, now those are great bass players.You're so missing the point. I'm one of those people who claim Queen wouldn't be Queen without John, or Roger, or Bri or Freddie. Is John the best or the worst fuckin bassist in the world is totally irrelevant. Yes, of course Queen could do it without him. Or even without Brian. There are many other great guitarists out there. The thing is, IT WOULDN'T BE QUEEN ANY MORE. Plus, as someone already mentioned, without John Queen wouldn't be the only band in history who's all members wrote No1 hits. Of course they'd do it somehow, if you put it that way, theoretically they could do it even without Freddie. The rest three of them are all great musicians and they'd sure make some good music with some other singer. But Freddie was Freddie. And John is John. That's it. There are no compromises. If you make any, it's not Queen any more. End of story. |
| Slightly Dazed 11.05.2005 19:09 |
Without John there would be no songs, such as I Want To Break Free, therefore there would be no Queen dressing up in womens clothes! That would be devastating! Seriously though, every Queen member contributed to the group in their own way. |
| All I Hear Is Radio Gaga 11.05.2005 21:09 |
You know i love old music i know about all great bands and musicians. I play the guitar and i know a great musician when i see one, and those four guys, Roger, Brian, Freddie and John have (had) alot of talent. Their music wouldn't be what it is without anyone of them. Freddie said it himself, " We are are four equal guys" Point made ~H |
| goliath 11.05.2005 21:28 |
Freddie was great with or without Queen, how many great songs did Brian, John, or Roger have without Freddie. I'm going to see Queen with Paul Rodgers in July but it won't Queen because Freddie is not there. |
| iGSM 11.05.2005 22:35 |
Were The Beatles still The Beatles with Andy White/Jimmy Nicol/Pete Best? |
| Scott_Mercury 11.05.2005 22:47 |
IGSM- You are talking about Ringo not being there... Not nearly as important as John or Paul being gone. Freddie & Brian are like The Beatles John & Paul. |
| Grantcdn 11.05.2005 23:15 |
Yes I agree Brian and Freddie were the most significant followed by Roger and then John but all were significant members and contributors.......agree with Scott M. with the Beatles analogy.......Queen has gone full circle: it's funny how Brian and Roger had really started this thing way back with Smile and now it's still them keeping us rocking...just so glad they are doing new stuff....sad that we don't have Freddie but those are the cards that life dealt....Queen+ a new phoenix risen from the ashes... |
| cintiamarcelad@hotmail.com 11.05.2005 23:40 |
It´s like in every band in the world,it doesn´t matter how great all the members are to us, people always recognize the name of the lead singer or the guitar player. ex. U2=Bono-The edge/ Guns= Axl-Slash..and so on. Don´t make such a big deal, whe know who Queen were and who they are now, and that is enough. |
| jcrawford79 12.05.2005 03:34 |
Whoever said that John is not a great bass guitar player a few posts earlier apparently has limited knowledge of the bass guitar. John's bass lines rarely stayed on the root of the chord, as most traditional bass players do; rather, he wandered around other consonant tones within the chord structure, almost like creating a melody in the bass line. This is EXACTLY how Paul McCartney played bass and he is revered for his innovative bass lines....not to mention that John had a nack for writing great pop songs. |
| The King Of Rhye 12.05.2005 04:02 |
jcrawford79 wrote: Whoever said that John is not a great bass guitar player a few posts earlier apparently has limited knowledge of the bass guitar. John's bass lines rarely stayed on the root of the chord, as most traditional bass players do; rather, he wandered around other consonant tones within the chord structure, almost like creating a melody in the bass line. This is EXACTLY how Paul McCartney played bass and he is revered for his innovative bass lines....not to mention that John had a nack for writing great pop songs.I wholeheartedly agree with that!!! John was certainly not a flashy bass player, but he had some nice bass lines.....if anyone doubts that, just have a good listen to A Day At The Basses, er, I mean Races....hehe..... |
| Serry... 12.05.2005 07:17 |
Holland!!! wrote: Well, I still think John Deacon is one of the greates/thight playing bass players ever! Just look at songs as "the fairy feller's master-stroke, You and I, another one bites the dust, under pressure, spread your wings etc. etc. Those bass lines are incredible!!!Millionaire Waltz too! |
| mike hunt 12.05.2005 14:31 |
like i sai before john is a good, ok very good bass player, but don't be silly and say he was one of the best. like i said no one mentions john as a big influence and that's a fact. |
| mike hunt 12.05.2005 14:36 |
keep trying, if you try hard enough eventually someone will mention john as an influence, but you will be waiting a long time. |
| jcrawford79 12.05.2005 15:25 |
That's not a valid argument because people rarely mention bass players as influences unless the bass player also sings, writes most the the songs, or is the mouthpiece for the band. Merely playing the bass will typically not garner a large following. Besides, if you subscribe to Bass Player magazine, you will see that lots of bass players cite him as an influence. |
| INXS 12.05.2005 19:15 |
"John dominates business in the sense of legal dealings with other people," explains Brian May, "Which he's very hot on. He is the only one of us who can really keep up with what's going on. He doesn't let anybody off with anything. He knows more than anybody too, about the equipment. We have a very good crew now, but in the past John has been called on on many occasions at the last minute to fix things. He's a bass player and has a bass player's mentality in many ways. He's very solid and no nonsense. He's always got his feet firmly on the ground. He's needed particularly with Freddie and me because we tend to go off at tangents without any thought of where we're coming back to. Deacy will sit there and bring us back down." |
| jcrawford79 12.05.2005 19:27 |
That's interesting...where did that come from? |
| INXS 12.05.2005 19:47 |
link |
| mike hunt 15.05.2005 01:02 |
ok, john rules, i love mr. deacky, spread your wings, your my best friend, and many others. go john go. |
| Sonja 15.05.2005 04:46 |
It is in fact mostly the singer/songwriter/guitarist duo that has the biggest influence on other musicians, especially other singers and songwriters, duos like Lennon/McCartney, Strummer/Jones or Mercury/May. Freddie and Brian did most of the songwriting (May being a much better songwriter than Freddie IMO). But the songwriting is only a part of the whole complex, an important, if not the most important part of it, but it still needs more input to complete the whole thing. I think that if a band works well, it is the chemnistry between these particular members that makes the band work. Regarding the music in general, the whole thing "Queen", without splitting it into particular tasks, I think each member was equally important. And you can't compare Queen with The Beatles, such as John and Ringo. The Beatles were another band at another time and Ringo did mean a hell of a lot. Whether he was a great drummer or songwriter or singer or not - he had personality! Probably more than any other Beatle. He was Ringo. If you mention Ringo Starr, you don't have to add anything because everbody knows who you're talking about and everybody loves him as a Beatle. |
| mike hunt 17.05.2005 08:52 |
john was very important (i knew i could spell it) to queen. |
| The Real Wizard 18.05.2005 14:00 |
JDL2nd wrote: John Deacon is a very basic bassplayer.You've never listened to The Millionaire Waltz and You're My Best Friend carefully, have you? John was a brilliant bassist. But yes, I have to agree that he's nowhere near the level of guys like Geddy Lee and Chris Squire. |
| Peta 18.05.2005 15:04 |
Yes, I agree. Freddie and Brian were the most important members of Queen and also the most well known members. I know a lot of people who know Brian and Freddie but not Roger and John. Brian is very great guitaist, singer and song writer. Before and after Freddie death he also did the most interviews and he was seen the most. Usually in the most band guitarists are 2nd most important members. Bass-players the least. |
| Yogurt 18.05.2005 23:44 |
I think Roger is important. He does a good job on the drums. If Roger or John weren't there, then Queen wouldn't exist. Besides, I got into Queen when I saw Roger's picture on the Sheer Heart Attack Album. |
| mike hunt 19.05.2005 01:58 |
yes, i have listened to 'millionare waltz' and 'best friend', 'fairy fellers' and all the rest, if you listened to what i said, john is a very good but not an all time great, that's my only point. the way i see it, freddie is argubly the greatest front man ever (top 3) brian is a top ten or fifeteen of the greatest rock guitarist ever, Roger and john are much lesser, roger is a top 40 drummer and john is lucky if he makes the top 50, meaning their great, but not on the same level as freddie and brian, that's my only point. |
| Killer_Queenie 20.05.2005 15:55 |
To me there is a difference between being an important member of Queen and an influential member of Queen. Each member had equal importance to the band, maybe not solely based on music but John's handling of finances was important to the band for example. Freddie and Brian wrote the majority of the songs and the majority of the well known "hits" which Queen are reknowned for but we all know what input both Roger and John had to albums with their own songs and ideas. Obviously Freddie, being the icon he is, will have had a larger influence on music than John who is virtually unknown to the average person on the street. However, if you talk about Queen's music influencing then you need to take the band as a whole as that was what they were; 4 people who made bloody good music! |
| mike hunt 20.05.2005 16:52 |
i can't disagree with the last, i agree 100 percent, but i love getting some of the people on this board going. |