dimcyril 09.05.2005 10:07 |
does anyone else agree with me that made in heaven is a weak queen album? mother love, let me live and too much love are great it's a beautiful day is ok made in heaven [song] is average my life has been saved is awful heaven for everyone - i prefered the shove it version with roger's middle 8 you don't fool me - crap winter's tale - far too syrupy i was born to love u - the freddie version suited the song more. innuendo is the best queen album in my opinion, follwed by day at the races, the works queen 2 nato and SHA |
Benn 09.05.2005 10:12 |
Interesting. I thought that I was Born To Love You was simply the most exciting thing I had heard from Queen since I heard the first playing of the Innuendo single on radio......... An OK album, but certainly not rubbish like The Works. :-) |
GiantSpider 09.05.2005 11:04 |
I think that MIH is a good album (Considering Fred was dead it aint at all bad). Let Me Live, I Was Born To Love You & IABD Reprise are great classic rock songs with You Don't Fool Me being a Hot Space esque song and still being better than most of the crap on Hot Space. Mother Love being (very) moving & It's A Beautiful Day being optimistic. Overall a good album. Not quite ANATO or SHA but hey, not much was. |
Last Cyborg 09.05.2005 11:11 |
I don't get the constant You don't fool me / Hot Space comparisons. So it has a catchy bass line, so what. The actual feel of the song is very dark and moody (like mother love), nothing like the light, happy, fluffy pop of Hot Space. |
john bodega 09.05.2005 12:22 |
Hmmm. The only song on this album that I actually do not like, as in - I will not listen to it, is My Life has Been Saved. The instrumentation is just too damned full on. A Winter's Tale - the main complaint about this track is that it's too sentimental. What I like about the song IS it's sentimentality, because too few of us ever just sit back and say 'oh that's nice'. You don't have to be one of those born again Christians who smile at everything and do volunteer work at the orphanage just to appreciate the nice moments of life buddy. It never hurts, in a song catalogue of 140+, to just have one song (his last one he wrote I might add) where he just goes 'the scenery in Montreaux is beautiful and I think I'll write about it'. As for the music itself - it's bloody beautiful. I get a feeling it's drawn from something a little sadder than the lyrics imply, but oh well - we'll never know. My only complaint with A Winter's Tale is the karaoke-style percussion. I actually think less synth, less drums and more piano might've worked in it's favour. But oh well. I could give a big fat recital on each song and tell you why I like it or don't like it, but as I said there's only one song on Made in Heaven that I just won't listen to. |
john bodega 09.05.2005 12:23 |
And people who hate You Don't Fool Me - to be honest, I see it as a latter day AOBTD. Imagine it rocked up like AOBTD was on stage, and then see if you hate it. |
Lester Burnham 09.05.2005 12:42 |
This album holds a bit of a special place in my heart, as it was the only "true" studio album from Queen that I actually bought on the day of its release. For you older fans out there, it's the equivalent of rushing out to the record store on the day of release of, say, A Night At The Opera or Jazz. Something like that. But I actually stumbled onto it accidentally. I was putzing around sometime in November 1995 and went into my local record shop to buy The Beatles' Anthology 1, which I had really been looking forward to. As usual, I had to buy more than one album (it's a problem with me - I can't just buy one CD), so I walked around the store a bit more, then decided I would check on Queen to see if they released anything new. This has been a bit of a running joke with me - I'll look through many of my favorite bands' sections and have a little laugh while waiting for the new Who album to come out, even though the last studio album they released was in 1982. Well, it's funny to me... Anyway, I decided to humor myself and checked out Queen. Imagine my surprise when... hey, a new album?! Immediately, I snatched it up and purchased it, then exited the store as I waited for my mom to pick me up (wow, this was ten years ago... how time flies). I looked at the song titles on the back and tried to imagine how they would sound. 'Mother Love' and 'You Don't Fool Me' seemed like such odd titles, and I couldn't possibly imagine any Queen album with those songs on them. I think I was secretly hoping for an Innuendo-type album, and saw those titles and trepidation started to hit me. As I'd done my research on the band through books (no Internet in my house until about 1998), I knew that 'Made In Heaven', 'Born To Love You', 'Heaven For Everyone', and 'Too Much Love' were already solo songs. I found this interesting, as I'd only heard that last song on Brian's Back To The Light, but started to wonder in what context the songs would be presented. When I got home, I put the cassette (not CD; I didn't have enough money) on and listened to it all the way through. 'Beautiful Day' was a gorgeous mood setter; the title track was just a pounding, majestic affair (great slide solo, too). 'Mother Love' did not disappoint; I thought it was a very emotive, powerful song, and I didn't even know that it was Freddie's last vocal. 'My Life' was... interesting. I knew it was the B-side of 'Scandal', but I could tell from the production sound that it was a different recording, even though I'd never heard the original before. It just seemed to sound very '1995' and not '1989'. 'Born To Love You' followed, and I was thrilled that there was finally a rocker on the album. 'Heaven For Everyone' was great, but I thought it went on a bit too long; I always prefered Brian's version of 'Too Much Love', but was blown away with Queen's version when the drums and guitar kicked in. Still gets me every time. 'You Don't Fool Me' I really didn't like at first, but grew to love it thanks to the guitar solo; I think it just prattles on a bit, but that was before I heard the ten minute 'Late Mix'. 'A Winter's Tale' was a lovely way to end the album, and I really think it could've done without the reprise of 'Beautiful Day'. There's one song I left out, which is 'Let Me Live'. When I first heard this, it immediately became my favorite song. Everything about this song is perfect: the gospel vocals, the laid-back instrumentation, Brian's soaring guitar solo, Brian, Roger, and Freddie each singing a verse each, and the piano. Oh god the piano. That little riff at the end of the song still sends shivers up my spine. I listened to that song over and over, so much so that it became my mom's favorite song as it was the only thing I played. To me, the album conjures up a mix of emotions: grief, as I discovered under what circumstances the songs were recorded, and the lyrics certainly don't try to disguise that, but also a sense of melancholy. It's a very |
PieterMC 09.05.2005 13:01 |
I think it's an excellent album. |
Sonia Doris 09.05.2005 13:14 |
made in heaven is a wonderful album! cookies anyone? |
pcgenius9 09.05.2005 13:19 |
To be honest, and its only an opinion, a true fan would not rubbish the bands work. simply because you prefer other albums doesn't make this one rubbish. ...although i tend not to listen to you dont fool me. |
Lisser 09.05.2005 13:25 |
Lester, that is a brilliant description of MIH!!! I think it's a GREAT album!! |
Scott_Mercury 09.05.2005 14:30 |
I, like Lester. also bought the cassestte of Made in Heaven on the day of its release. Then only Queen album I ever did that with. |
Queen& 09.05.2005 14:39 |
gr8 album one of the best |
Going Back 09.05.2005 14:43 |
i think made in heaven is queens best album. my life has been saved is best song for me on this album. i like all those songs and i don't get it how can you say that a winters tale is a crap?? you are not a real queen fan... |
Little_Queenie 09.05.2005 15:04 |
Rubbish???!!? I don't think so. Not a chance. It's good album, actually more than good, imo. The only song I don't like is "You Don't Fool Me".. It's not one of my faves, definitely, but MIH is far from being rubbish. |
k-m 09.05.2005 15:29 |
It's a good album. Not excellent, not brilliant, but surely not weak or even average. I think "Made In Heaven" is a fitting epilogue to Queen's history. My favourite songs are the beautiful and NOT over-sentimental "A Winter's Tale", the catchy "You Don't Fool Me" and the incredibly moving "Mother Love". Cover versions are usually better than the original ones (maybe except the over-arranged "I Was Born To Love You"). "It's A Beautiful Day" introduces well into the atmosphere of the album, "Let Me Live" is a nice revival of Queen's earlier days with good vocal parts from Brian and Roger and "My Life Has Been Saved" brings a bit of optimism after the depressing "Mother Love". Not a milestone in the history of rock, but a good tune with a few very emotional moments. You don't hear such albums everyday. |
Serry... 09.05.2005 16:49 |
That's your own opinion and depends on each other's tastes. I don't know what's the reason for researches of weakest/worst Queen album, leave it to the press. |
I Can Hear Music 09.05.2005 17:02 |
absolutely NO rubbish. And think of the way Freddie wanted this album to be released after he died. |
NOTWMEDDLE 09.05.2005 17:38 |
MIH is to me what Let it Be was to The Beatles. It is an album that is subjected to controversy. I bought MIH on street date on CD and loved it. Unfortunately, my fellow North Americans disagreed. |
Adam Baboolal 09.05.2005 17:58 |
I also love this album. Freddie's vocal tone at the time (80's onwards) and those lovely ballads. I like it just the way it is. Peace, Adam. |
Forever88 09.05.2005 18:14 |
it's my favorite album next to the miracle and innuendo. the stuff done when freddie was ill was probably the best stuff they did. |
Mr.Jingles 09.05.2005 18:33 |
Considering the circumstances that the band was dealing with, Queen couldn't have possibly come up with anything better than 'Made In Heaven'. It's one of my favorite Queen albums. |
teddybear 09.05.2005 18:35 |
I like this album alot, but the DVD release of the short films ........well let's not "go there" (how horrible they were !!) |
Slightly Dazed 09.05.2005 19:00 |
I love Made In Heaven!! How can you say its rubbish. Its my 4th best album, after ANATO, Innuendo, ADATR. |
TheGame 09.05.2005 19:41 |
I liked your review Frog! First of all, this album is far away from rubbish. It's just not good, In my mind it's fuckin brilliant. And thinking about the situation behind the album, it makes it even greater. The short films didn't work for me. I think the album deserved better videos, but that's my humble opinion. |
s.m. 09.05.2005 22:04 |
Lester Burnham wrote: This album holds a bit of a special place in my heart, as it was the only "true" studio album from Queen that I actually bought on the day of its release.i agree with this probably why it´s so special to some of us anyway, i like that album very much mother love and you don´t fool me are my favorites |
Grantcdn 09.05.2005 22:17 |
It's would be a great album for other bands but a weak album for Queen in my opinion...The only songs I liked were the new ones....the rehashing of Freddie songs and b-sides that didn't make it was a bit lame (partly because I couldn't get excited over songs I've heard before with slight differences)....but the HUGE weakness for me was that there were no heavy rocking songs (and there were rocking songs on every Queen album!!), hardly any guitars...it didn't feel like a Queen album that way...more like a Freddie tribute album....at least if they did "She blows hot and cold" there would be one rocking track......having said that I love Mother Love and I really liked Let Me Live, You Don't Fool Me, A Winter's Tale, It's a Beautiful Day etc (everything that was truly new....so it was half of a great album...plus some b-sides....) |
Rafael Macedo 10.05.2005 00:23 |
The vocals on Mother Love are amazing... onr the best in mi opinion... I was a litle dissapointed when in found out that some of the songs were remakes of solo material... But still i consider it a great album... but i think that this record dont have a conceptual line, unlike the rest of the queen catalogue... |
Saint Jiub 10.05.2005 01:37 |
It is in my top 5 of Queen studio albums. |
Roger Moore 10.05.2005 08:26 |
MADE IN HEAVEN is a compilation of lost tracks. It´s not the last Queen album we all have been waiting for. Only three tracks are taken from INNOENDO sessions. Nobody knows why Hollywood Records didn´t insist on releasing each and every song they did in 1990 and 1991. Greg Brooks is busy for about 5 years now with Queen´s definit song collection. Last songs like Self made man sound really promising, but all we get are old video clip compilations or another GH album. What does it take to open the Queen archive to the public, Mr Brooks? |
Brianmay1975 10.05.2005 09:15 |
Good Lord, we changed the favourite word of this forum! "Rubbish" instead of "crap"! The average Queenzone vocabulary is getting wider! Man, that's what I call good news! :) -------------------------------------------------- And no, I don't think MIH is rubbish. It's actually a quite nice album, so sad and serene, it's just that it's so different from any other album they've done. But I guess every Queen album is somehow different from all the others - that's what makes them so great after all, the fact they didn't repeat themselves. Patti Russo: "There are musical genres and there are Queen". Better get used to that... |
Brianmay1975 10.05.2005 09:45 |
Roger Moore wrote: MADE IN HEAVEN is a compilation of lost tracks. It´s not the last Queen album we all have been waiting for. Only three tracks are taken from INNOENDO sessions. Nobody knows why Hollywood Records didn´t insist on releasing each and every song they did in 1990 and 1991. Greg Brooks is busy for about 5 years now with Queen´s definit song collection. Last songs like Self made man sound really promising, but all we get are old video clip compilations or another GH album. What does it take to open the Queen archive to the public, Mr Brooks?When GB came on this board attacking some great posters, I strongly disagreed and told him to get out of here. I don't like Greg's arrogance and the way he treats real fans is simply disgusting. BUT no one can blame him and him alone for the fact that the archives are still closed. Queen Productions are more to blame than him... |
Mr.Jingles 10.05.2005 09:47 |
Personally, anyone who doesn't appreciate the effort that the whole band put into 'Made In Heaven' doesn't deserve to be called a Queen fan. Keep in your mind that Freddie went back in the studio to record as much as possible despite the fact that his illness was physically taking all over him. Yet, that didn't stop Freddie mentally from giving the best of himself. Very few people can have so much willingness to carry on with life while having a foot inside the grave. We all should be thankful for that. Now about Brian, Roger, and John re-working previously done tracks. God, can you blame them for that? They could have put out 'Mother Love/A Winters Tale' as a single, but they chose to do a whole album, and did an excellent job because all the new versions sound better than the originals. Oh, and 'You Don't Fool' me ROCKS!! Sure it might sound very EuroPop for Queen, but it's one hell of a fuckin' great song. The guitar solo is AWESOME!! The only thing shit about 'Made In Heaven' were those artsy/indie looking video clips. |
Brianmay1975 10.05.2005 09:49 |
Agree 100% |
dimcyril 10.05.2005 10:03 |
a true fan? so questions pc genius9 i'd like to inform said genius that i own every single note that queen has ever recorded [and that includes solo work] every band has dodgy albums. the beatles did [ how about Beatles For Sale for starters], the stones certainly did. i find it incredible that people think you aren't a true fan if you happen not to be too keen on a small section of their work. i admit maybe 'rubbish' is too harsh a word, i was having a bad day. i think it was withdrawal symptoms from the gig in cardiff on saturday night. i also admit that freddie being dead didn't help. but i don't believe, and this is only my opinion, made in heaven is the finest album in the queen collection. i do however like nearly everything else. also i must say i loved made in heaven when i first heard it, but i don't think that the passage of time has been very kind to it. |
dimcyril 10.05.2005 10:43 |
just read my previous post, and before anyone pulls me up on it, it should read every note they released not every note they recorded. there is of course a major difference that the people here would be sure to pick up on |
dimcyril 10.05.2005 10:53 |
in response also to 'anyone who doesn't appreciate the effort, doesn't deserve to be called a queen fan' post what utter twaddle and laughable as well i'm glad they released it for mother love, let me live and TMLWKY but the rest of it isn't that amazing in my opinion. [but i'm sure they put alot of effort into it, okay?] paul mc cartney must have put alot of effort into some of his albums such as pipes of peace and london town, and i don't like them much either [less than made in heaven.] this doesn't stop me from being a massive fan of paul mccartney. nobody can get it right all the time. |
mike hunt 10.05.2005 11:00 |
yea well, i love made in heaven, the album cover, the music, and the way, 'a winter's tale,' is amazingly beautiful, his voice shines in that one. for some reason people seem kill one song on every album, on this one it's 'you don't fool me,' i'll disagree, i think it's a jammin tune. |
pcgenius9 10.05.2005 12:25 |
i suppose you have to remember that made in heaven didn't have the valuable input of freddie. yes he recorded the vocals, but the mixing etc. was done without his valuable input. |
brENsKi 10.05.2005 12:32 |
GiantSpider wrote: Overall a good album. Not quite ANATO or SHA but hey, not much was.queen II was |
brENsKi 10.05.2005 12:38 |
John Lydon wrote: The rest of the album shows that the group could come together and work though Freddie's illness, and i also get the sense therewas a lot of fun moments during the recording, despite the circumstances. You can tell that Freddie was having fun in IWBTLY, but is very serene on TMLWKY. Johni don't want to make an outlandish statement here but (john stuart please confirm one wa or another) weren't the Freddie solo tracks reworked from the original masters? ie the vocals were lifted directly from MIH, IWBTLU, and didn't they do the same for FM's vocals off the Cross' HFE and the original vocals from MLHBS? i'me sure i read this somewhere, that the original vocal masters were cut/mixed into new backing tracks if so then - they weren't really coming together through his illness for most of it |
brENsKi 10.05.2005 17:52 |
John Lydon wrote: I knew all about the trakcs being mainly worked on after Freddie's death, i just meant that it was amazing how they could have recorded anything that fantastic given Freddie's health. Johnbut tHAT's what's makes Innuendo even better - it was made oup of the final complete songs recorded by freddie, when he was dying whereas most of made in heaven is either previous solo tracks vocals lifted and new backing tracks added or old sessions that hadn't been "good enough" for previous albums even IABD is from an 80s album - i think it was left off HS? |
Saint Jiub 10.05.2005 23:49 |
dimcyril: Jingles has a habit of spouting off opinions and presenting them as unrefutable fact. |
Roger Moore 11.05.2005 07:36 |
i think the songs on MIH came from those ones: It´s a beautiful day-MIRACLE Let me live-WORKS Too much love-MIRACLE My life has been saved-MIRACLE You don´t fool me-INNUENDO Winter´s Tale-INNUENDO Mother Love-INNUENDO Heaven for everyone-SHOVE IT Born to love you-MR BAD GUY Made in Heaven-MR BAD GUY |
brENsKi 11.05.2005 08:42 |
Roger Moore wrote: i think the songs on MIH came from those ones: It´s a beautiful day-MIRACLE Let me live-WORKS Too much love-MIRACLE My life has been saved-MIRACLE You don´t fool me-INNUENDO Winter´s Tale-INNUENDO Mother Love-INNUENDO Heaven for everyone-SHOVE IT Born to love you-MR BAD GUY Made in Heaven-MR BAD GUYi read somewhere in here that iabd was hs sessions? |
kerfuffle87 11.05.2005 09:00 |
Lester Burnham wrote: This album holds a bit of a special place in my heart, as it was the only "true" studio album from Queen that I actually bought on the day of its release. For you older fans out there, it's the equivalent of rushing out to the record store on the day of release of, say, A Night At The Opera or Jazz. Something like that. |
Adam Baboolal 11.05.2005 09:14 |
<B><font color=#ff7f00>Brenski</B> wrote:Both wrong. It's from The Game. I remember I pinpointed this purely by the recording tone and Freddie's vocal tone, also. And a few months later, Brian pretty much confirmed it with the help of egor from the archive.Roger Moore wrote: i think the songs on MIH came from those ones: It´s a beautiful day-MIRACLE Let me live-WORKS Too much love-MIRACLE My life has been saved-MIRACLE You don´t fool me-INNUENDO Winter´s Tale-INNUENDO Mother Love-INNUENDO Heaven for everyone-SHOVE IT Born to love you-MR BAD GUY Made in Heaven-MR BAD GUYi read somewhere in here that iabd was hs sessions? Peace, Adam. |