| agneepath! 11994 29.04.2005 15:49 |
Hi folks Rather than choosing the easy way and request / beg / demand, try to find other Queen fans and trade concerts. Its easy! Let me give you a real example. Last weekend, a fan from Spain wanted bootlegs from the current Tour. We agreed a deal. I would send him about 12 discs and the 46664 DVD. I needed shows from various years - and so we traded. It cost me about £1-90 to post the discs to Spain (not a lot really - enough to buy Fish and Chips) The best Bit: We had receieved each others discs within 5 days! Cheap, quick, easy and you make friends too. I can now add another good contact to my list and we'll trade again soon. |
| agneepath! 11994 29.04.2005 17:41 |
How long would it have taken for me to download 6 concerts in flac? It took less than 5 days for 12 discs to arrive from Spain. "Cheap, quick, easy and you make friends too." |
| inu-liger 29.04.2005 17:46 |
I'm trading 2 DVD's with a guy named Roger (not Roger Taylor, sorry!), because he has videos I want. It's sometimes easier to trade than to be frustrated with no downloads available for that particular item (or if the item is no longer in shops, etc.) |
| agneepath! 11994 29.04.2005 19:25 |
"So, for me the best option is downloading. And it's already the 21th Century, the Post Services are more and more old-fashioned, the Internet is the future. We can't fight against it" would have to agree with you there. south america seems to be a no go area for many traders. couple of guys I know have had packages "lost" over there. Does South America deserve that repuation? |
| djaef 29.04.2005 19:50 |
I was going to do a trade with that particular Spanish gentleman you speak of, but you beat me to it :) It doesn't help when I am in Australia. Does anyone down under need any 2005 tour concerts to trade for good quality Queen concerts from yesteryear? I like trades, it's just difficult to find anyone who wants what I have. |
| jericho05 30.04.2005 13:11 |
In the 80's and early 90's I traded concerts through the mail, amassing thousands of hours of bootlegs on cassette. The internet was virtually unknown and many of my contacts came through notice pages in magazines and then word of mouth. These days downloading is fairly easy, and rewarding considering how little work is involved. On the other hand I still make the occasional trade via post and there is nothing that beats the excitement of a brand new package in your mailbox. Sometimes traders will add personal touches and letters to the mix. So yes, trading is a viable alternative and will be long after bootleg sites are shut down. Rob |
| bitesthedust 01.05.2005 04:14 |
Agneepath! wrote: How long would it have taken for me to download 6 concerts in flac? It took less than 5 days for 12 discs to arrive from Spain. "Cheap, quick, easy and you make friends too."exactly..... If anyone UK based is interested in a trade, feel free to email me: christopher_mason_17@hotmail.com |
| Saint Jiub 01.05.2005 12:35 |
The trading alternative is the hub. My experience with running a bootleg tree: 5-10 % of packages are lost or broken. International shipments average 3 weeks. Trading on the hub is quick, modern, streamlined and easy. |
| brENsKi 01.05.2005 16:32 |
i don't think it works some people are a little too conceited and smug for their own good! the whole "i've got houston, and i ain't sharing it" attitude really sucks. no-one is asking those that have a complete houston to just "give it away" but i offered the best part of 20gb of queen concerts to anyone who could do me houston 77, liverpool 73 and golders green 73 (all complete) and i got one taker - who has since not followed up his initial interest it would appear that these three concerst are perhaps holding too much currency around here - let's face it - you buy ONE CD from a fair and you won't trade it for 20gb of more concerts? bizarre!!! let's face it - to buy 20gb of concerst will cost a darn sight more |
| Maz 01.05.2005 23:52 |
<B><font color=#ff7f00>Brenski</b> wrote: but i offered the best part of 20gb of queen concerts to anyone who could do me houston 77, liverpool 73 and golders green 73 (all complete)Since you acknowledge that your 20GB came from the hub, is it not fair to assume that any collector who has those 3 shows would also have most of your 20GB? I don't think that is fair to blame collectors like you do. |
| Maz 01.05.2005 23:56 |
Rafael Moreira™ wrote: Finally someone believes me! South America is HORRIBLE for trading! Too expensive, too slow... And if I'm going to receive something from another country, the government can simply "steal" it and give it to its owner only if the owner accepts to pay an tax. They choose the packages randomly. That's why I prefer downloading than trading. And soon the connections will be so fast that people will be able to e-mail their video bootlegs, I can bet all my collection that the most of you will see it happening before we die. It already happens in some universities in the USA, doesn't it? ;-)You prefer downloading because it requires nothing from you. Your excuses toward trading - poor postal systems, takes too long, government theft - may be legitimate, but that does not mean you can't trade. Many users trade online, through such things as MSN, so what's your excuse now? All I hear from you, Rafael, are excuses as to why you can't do something, yet I don't hear any offers for you to share. Ask all you want, but why should people listen if you don't help out yourself. |
| iGSM 02.05.2005 02:01 |
< Yeah, through T-carriers...but they will be a long time from being available to Joe-Blow and certainly won't be cheap. T5 can transfer approx. 400 mb per second. |
| djaef 02.05.2005 02:42 |
iGSM wrote: T5 can transfer approx. 400 mb per second.Whoahhh.. Smoking!! |
| brENsKi 02.05.2005 03:44 |
it would still be rare there ain't many people out there with 20gb of live gigs to trade i've also got about another 10 gb of studio rare - ie outtakes, bbc, de lane lea, and other oddities you're nota talking about thousands of people trading 20gb - just a handful - that means it remains rare |
| brENsKi 02.05.2005 10:35 |
Mr. X wrote: is the stuff mp3-sourced?about50% |
| tilomagnet 02.05.2005 12:30 |
Rip Van Winkle wrote: 5-10 % of packages are lost or broken.Maybe you are unable to make a nice package that survives transport I don´t know. My own experience is totally different. I´ve never lost any package and I´ve never received any broken discs from a trader nor have I ever received complaints that the discs I sent have arrived damaged. Never. Rip Van Winkle wrote: International shipments average 3 weeksThat is simply not true. I live in Germany, from here to the U.S it takes 5-7 days, to most other European countries 2-4 days. I´ve sent out packages to Japan, Australia and Brazil and it never took more than 2 weeks, in most cases the discs arrived significantly earlier. I don´t think the differences to other European postal services are great. |
| Maz 02.05.2005 14:46 |
I read plenty, Rafael, but it's all the same.
Rafael Moreira™ wrote: You should read more before saying shit. If you had read other topids you'd know that my broadband began to work this friday, but the network isn't set yet, so I'm on my dad's computer, which has only gigs that I've downloaded this weekend and are still available on QZ, and that I'm gonna upload Tokyo 9th May 1985 on RapidShare for anyone who wants when my network is working perfectly, which may take a few days.That paragraph alone has three excuses (plus the insult). Stop making excuses for yourself and start doing something about it. If you want to trade, then either send through the mail (amazing how many other people actually do it) or trade online. Your computer and network not up to the task? Then wait. But all I see on QZ are your excuses intermixed with requests for material. I gave you suggestions on how to trade, but it seems you are the one who should read more, Rafael. |
| Roy ® 02.05.2005 15:00 |
<B><font color=#ff7f00>Brenski</B> wrote: it would still be rare there ain't many people out there with 20gb of live gigs to trade i've also got about another 10 gb of studio rare - ie outtakes, bbc, de lane lea, and other oddities you're nota talking about thousands of people trading 20gb - just a handful - that means it remains rare20gb, that are about 30 concerts in flac. Pffff i think there are a plenty off people who own more than 30 concerts. Even I own more than 30 concerts. And I'm collecting for an half year now. Mr.X., what is also rare. I know that for example Housten and Drammen are rare. Could you mention more examples. |
| Maz 02.05.2005 15:13 |
Rafael Moreira™ wrote: Would YOU trade your "rarities" with someone who only has mp3 to offer?That's not the point (really, re-read my posts). There are many other posters on QZ who are in the same situation as you. Try finding them and working out trades. Maybe they have stuff you don't have, and vice versa. Rafael Moreira™ wrote: Anyway, this section is called "Sharing the Music - Request", so it's made to request.And this thread it titled "The Alternative is ... Trading." And it's made to give advice on trading (fancy that). You complained as to why you can't trade, I offered alternatives to your excuses. Rafael Moreira™ wrote: If you haven't been damaged, stop complaining and please leave me alone.Interesting comment considering I never used profanity toward you. |
| wstüssyb 02.05.2005 15:37 |
I've traded for a while with over 200+ shows, Queen-Solo and about 50 for LZ, a pretty nice size collection( comparable to MrScully's, enough to drive my wife insane with how much I have) for this tour I prefer MP3, it's a nice tour, good to hear the songs, but nothing to get over excited about, I never complain about the qauilty of these shows while trading is nice when you want so much, but for a few casual shows, d/l is the nice option |
| Maz 02.05.2005 15:58 |
Rafael Moreira™ wrote: If I don't want to trade, why do you insist in tell me different ways and reasons to trade?If you don't want to trade, then why even post in this thread about trading? Here I thought this thread was about trading and the various problems associated with it. Guess I was wrong. |
| AC 02.05.2005 17:24 |
Since I'm a real bastard and I'm already hated by half of this board, I would like to point out what happens in this thread: link A person uploaded a torrent with 19 concerts in mp3 and SOMEONE complained because he already had 3 of them and requested them separated on rapidshare. Not even a "thank you", just a request. Such a great person. |
| Roy ® 02.05.2005 17:29 |
AC wrote: Since I'm a real bastard and I'm already hated by half of this board, I would like to point out what happens in this thread: link A person uploaded a torrent with 19 concerts in mp3 and SOMEONE complained because he already had 3 of them and requested them separated on rapidshare. Not even a "thank you", just a request. Such a great person.You are completely right. |
| brENsKi 02.05.2005 17:29 |
If you don't want to trade, then why even post in this thread about trading? Here I thought this thread was about trading and the various problems associated with it. Guess I was wrong.seems pretty pointless trying to trade anything in here. I've never asked for a single freebie on QZ - i'm not a cheeky f**ker - but what i don't understand is the unwillingness to trade concerts with those who genuinely have something to offer. One example is that I feel i made a significant contribution around here over Christmas with the Bo Rhap Story. I sent about a dozen digital crystal clear DVDs - direct from TV all over the planet during december - to qzoners and people of the alt.music.queen list. I wasn't looking for stuff in return - a couple of nice people sent some CDRoms (thanks)- but i could easily have said "i'll exchange it for houston", but i didn't - stupid me huh? i'll remember not to be so fucking naive next time - you get nothing for being nice!. the documentary would probably be only available to most as a crap quality mpg file if i hadn't sent a dozen copies to Europe, UK and USA - at my own time and expense - these in turn have been copied and sent on to others - it was the oNE condition i asked everyone i sent a copy to. Sad thing is how precious some people can be - "Houston is rare, it should stay that way" - and how quickly some forget. fine, and the next time people email me asking for copies of whatever documentary i will reply "it's rare it should stay that way" sorry for being bitter - but all i was looking for was trades for three concerts, but i suppose if there's a law that stays they have to stay rare then who the fuck am i to argue - or share f-all with anyone from now on for that matter? liverpool 73, golders green 73 and houston 77 in their complete forms - it's not as if i'm asking the earth - just a fucking trade! or what about if one or two of those i sent the bo-rhap/freddie's millions dvd to had a copy of these and returned the favour? not likely huh? people forget too damned quick around here mbrennan@blueyonder.co.uk |
| Teo_torriate04 03.05.2005 05:18 |
Hey Martin. I can assure you that I appreciate your generosity, as I'm sure the people who benefitted by way of receiving copies of your stuff through me do. I too sent out numerous copies of the Bo Rhap/ Freddies Millions DVD over Xmas, some were traded, as I'm just starting out on the collecting path, but I was also happy to send copies to people who had nothing to trade. Rest assured that If I ever come across what you're looking for (unlikely I know, but it could happen), you'll be the first to know. P.s. If you read this Jmi, typing this has reminded me that I promised you a copy of the Bo Rhap DVD ages ago. Sorry my friend, I'll get on to it tonight !! |
| Rick 03.05.2005 05:59 |
RvB wrote:I'm not Mr.X, but I can give you more examples:<B><font color=#ff7f00>Brenski</B> wrote: it would still be rare there ain't many people out there with 20gb of live gigs to trade i've also got about another 10 gb of studio rare - ie outtakes, bbc, de lane lea, and other oddities you're nota talking about thousands of people trading 20gb - just a handful - that means it remains rare20gb, that are about 30 concerts in flac. Pffff i think there are a plenty off people who own more than 30 concerts. Even I own more than 30 concerts. And I'm collecting for an half year now. Mr.X., what is also rare. I know that for example Housten and Drammen are rare. Could you mention more examples. - Kanazawa 1979, VG+, audience - Liverpool 1977, complete soundboard recording - Champions Shoot 1977, first generation - Rotterdam 1979, alternate source - Milwaukee 1975, complete, excellent quality - Philadelphia 1977 (second night), only 5 or 6 songs in excellent quality Just to mention a few... |
| brENsKi 03.05.2005 06:52 |
Rick wrote:where did i say they were all FLAC?RvB wrote:I'm not Mr.X, but I can give you more examples: - Kanazawa 1979, VG+, audience - Liverpool 1977, complete soundboard recording - Champions Shoot 1977, first generation - Rotterdam 1979, alternate source - Milwaukee 1975, complete, excellent quality - Philadelphia 1977 (second night), only 5 or 6 songs in excellent quality Just to mention a few...<B><font color=#ff7f00>Brenski</B> wrote: it would still be rare there ain't many people out there with 20gb of live gigs to trade i've also got about another 10 gb of studio rare - ie outtakes, bbc, de lane lea, and other oddities you're nota talking about thousands of people trading 20gb - just a handful - that means it remains rare20gb, that are about 30 concerts in flac. Pffff i think there are a plenty off people who own more than 30 concerts. Even I own more than 30 concerts. And I'm collecting for an half year now. Mr.X., what is also rare. I know that for example Housten and Drammen are rare. Could you mention more examples. the majority of theta 20gb (about 65%) is mp3 the same applies to the rare/demo stuff theres 120+ concerts there this doesn't included the other gbs of video, midis, pictures, solos, instrumentals, and interviews - all told approx 65gb |
| Rick 03.05.2005 09:54 |
<B><font color=#ff7f00>Brenski</B> wrote:65% mp3? Damn, 65% crap.Rick wrote:where did i say they were all FLAC? the majority of theta 20gb (about 65%) is mp3 the same applies to the rare/demo stuff theres 120+ concerts there this doesn't included the other gbs of video, midis, pictures, solos, instrumentals, and interviews - all told approx 65gbRvB wrote:I'm not Mr.X, but I can give you more examples: - Kanazawa 1979, VG+, audience - Liverpool 1977, complete soundboard recording - Champions Shoot 1977, first generation - Rotterdam 1979, alternate source - Milwaukee 1975, complete, excellent quality - Philadelphia 1977 (second night), only 5 or 6 songs in excellent quality Just to mention a few...<B><font color=#ff7f00>Brenski</B> wrote: it would still be rare there ain't many people out there with 20gb of live gigs to trade i've also got about another 10 gb of studio rare - ie outtakes, bbc, de lane lea, and other oddities you're nota talking about thousands of people trading 20gb - just a handful - that means it remains rare20gb, that are about 30 concerts in flac. Pffff i think there are a plenty off people who own more than 30 concerts. Even I own more than 30 concerts. And I'm collecting for an half year now. Mr.X., what is also rare. I know that for example Housten and Drammen are rare. Could you mention more examples. |
| Rick 03.05.2005 10:47 |
Mr. X wrote:In other words: mp3-sourced shows are crap!RvB wrote:Sorry Rafael, But I also have to agree. Don't become a leach, who's begging and even not thanking. It's just mp3 shows aren't rare.AC wrote: Since I'm a real bastard and I'm already hated by half of this board, I would like to point out what happens in this thread: link A person uploaded a torrent with 19 concerts in mp3 and SOMEONE complained because he already had 3 of them and requested them separated on rapidshare. Not even a "thank you", just a request. Such a great person.You are completely right. |
| TheGame 07.05.2005 01:05 |
Anyone knows what the number one rare concert is? I mean, what's the most difficult concert to get? I've always wanted to know this. I'm also looking for the Drammen concert, but have no clue what i must give for this rare concert. |
| Lisser 11.05.2005 09:52 |
If I had something you all wanted, I'd share it with you. If someone wanted to give me something but told me I couldn't share it, then I'd not take it. I like to share. |
| pka50f2 11.05.2005 15:30 |
Most of the traders don't accept mp3 sourced shows because of their poor quality. divx shows are no more welcome. I've traded more than 300 cds during two last years and had very few problems with it. |
| Penetration_Guru 11.05.2005 16:51 |
I think Lisser may have something a number of us would like to share... |