| lasparri 27.04.2005 04:42 |
I know that Brian May believes, and he has declared that he has became more and more spiritual since Freddie and his Dad passed away. Roger is completely atheist and so is John Deacon. What about Freddie? In his last songs he talked about God but I don't know whether it was just for the songs or it had a deeper meaning in his life. Regards. |
| Mr.Jingles 27.04.2005 08:34 |
I think Freddie was one of those who believed in God as a higher being, although he never followed any specific kind of faith. I think the same thing goes for Brian. Btw, when did John Deacon say he was an atheist? Also Roger has said many times that he despises extremely religious people, although that doesn't necessarily mean that he's an atheist. He could possibly be agnostic, but then again I don't know. |
| djaef 27.04.2005 08:36 |
lasparri wrote: Roger is completely atheist and so is John Deacon.Roger and me would get on just fine... But I doubt you are right about John Deacon. I read he sent his kids to a local Catholic school. Not the typical action of an atheist... What is your source? |
| Fenderek 27.04.2005 08:48 |
I know that John's wife is devoted Ctaholic. is he religious? Dunno- maybe it was his wife's idea to send kids to Catholic school- and he didn't have much too say... but I've never heard about him being an atheist. |
| Scott_Mercury 27.04.2005 09:15 |
I have a real hard time believing any member of Queen is atheiest. Most people who have attained a high level of success usually don't just feel they "lucked out". Roger's tune "These are the days of our lives" (which by the way, I feel has Freddie-ism's all over it.... but lets just call it Roger's tune 100%)... to me, sounds like it could be on the Christian radio network. Don't get me wrong... Love the song... but it may be the most mello Queen single. |
| FriedChicken 27.04.2005 10:33 |
You could also believe in God, and hate religion. I don't believe, God is gay |
| The Fairy King 27.04.2005 10:34 |
Your God is? ;) |
| Mr Fred 27.04.2005 11:57 |
Of course I believe, Jesus is our saviour. |
| doremi 27.04.2005 12:05 |
Freddie I know used to pray at bedtime according to Jim, and though Freddie's born faith from his family was Zoroastrian, (which was followed for his funeral), he celebrated Christmas..with his family and friends from what I've heard. I don't think he practiced any specific religion, but I think Freddie was deeply spiritual and belived in God and had faith. Brian somehow seems somewhat the same as Freddie to me. John I thought was religious. Roger, I had no idea was..an atheist? Since when? I know Roger acts the cynic, and the tough sarcastic wiseguy..but I have read many times that that is ALL a cover..and that he is VERY intense and emotional about things and takes things very close to heart. |
| jcrawford79 27.04.2005 15:20 |
I think John is atheist (at least that's my conclusion) because on link in an interview he states he doesn't believe in any form of afterlife. |
| jcrawford79 27.04.2005 15:23 |
This is the specific link link |
| RainMustFall2 27.04.2005 15:46 |
John sounds really boring in that interview. I think he sounds really depressed, actually. |
| RainMustFall2 27.04.2005 15:48 |
By the way, this is from Brian's post on April 5: "we are all just God's creatures, every one of us..." |
| Boy Thomas Raker 27.04.2005 16:19 |
In a somewhat related note, there've been a number of stories in recent days about the new Pope and his hatred of rock music (unlike his predecessor, who liked all kinds of music and actually had 'The Game' CD in his music collection.) He says that rock concerts produce a kind of "worship" that isn't healthy as it's not "Christian worship." In the same article, the source mistakenly said Pope Ben didn't like a number of groups, including Queen! it was an aide who mentioned names of 'evil' groups.) He'll like them even less after they played days after JPII's death. |
| doremi 27.04.2005 18:23 |
BHM 0271 wrote: In a somewhat related note, there've been a number of stories in recent days about the new Pope and his hatred of rock music (unlike his predecessor, who liked all kinds of music and actually had 'The Game' CD in his music collection.) He says that rock concerts produce a kind of "worship" that isn't healthy as it's not "Christian worship." In the same article, the source mistakenly said Pope Ben didn't like a number of groups, including Queen! it was an aide who mentioned names of 'evil' groups.) He'll like them even less after they played days after JPII's death.The Devil You Say! “The Devil You Say” 4/26/2005 By Arlene R. Weiss This is from the source: NEW YORK DAILY NEWS in an article by Sheryl Connelly and Paul D. Colford called “Bet you didn't know”, “The New York Daily News reports that Joseph Ratzinger of Bavaria, now the new Pope, Benedict XVI, recently made this statement.” quote: “He has called rock 'n' roll evil, saying it is full of "diabolical and satanic messages." He singled out the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Queen and the Eagles as especially evil.” End quote and source. Part of MY answer to the new Pope's "opinion" of rock music and Queen! Quote "Live Aid, as everyone knows, was a watershed, the biggest, most successful benefit concert…ever. And guess who just a sampling were that day of some of the many music artists who selflessly donated their time and of course music performances..to the day to raise millions of funds for famine relief in Africa? Gee Mr. Pope…Paul McCartney of The Beatles, The Rolling Stones’ Mick Jagger, Keith Richards & Ron Wood, Led Zeppelin, and Queen, (the very artists you singled out in your statement quoted above)." "Because of Band Aid, Live Aid, the purposeful actions of the many rock & pop music artists who stepped up to the plate in support of a good cause and the hour at hand, and the ongoing relief organizations that resulted from both events, many a man, woman, and child…in Africa is alive today because of the food provided to them from those rock & roll charity events." "whether it’s Queen’s Brian May and Roger Taylor co-organizing with and performing at Nelson Mandela’s ongoing worldwide 46664 AIDS benefit concerts to raise awareness and funds to fight and find a cure for AIDS,....Rock & Roll…is the one conscience we can all count on. It never ceases to be the mind, body, spirit, soul, and most of all..heart, that cries out in defiance and anger at injustice…and does not idly sit by. It fights and acts with the most powerful voice of all, music. If the Pope can’t see that, he misses one of God’s greatest gifts to man, the gift of song, of music…that can, has, and will continue to inspire, to make a difference, walking, even running, with outrage, with anger, with tears, with joy, with hope, with faith…because “rock & roll never forgets” (to quote rocker Bob Seger) and rock & roll never stops sharing, caring, giving, and continues to challenge and battle "evil" so that good...as one rock song says… “A Change Is Gonna Come.” Rock On!" This entire copyrighted Quoted text above are from.... link copyright 4/26/2005 By Arlene R. Weiss |
| djaef 28.04.2005 00:16 |
Scott_Mercury wrote: I have a real hard time believing any member of Queen is atheiest. Most people who have attained a high level of success usually don't just feel they "lucked out".What *are* you on about? What does feeling that someone "lucked out" have to do with atheism? I'll answer you since you obviously don't know. The answer in nothing. Atheism has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with luck, success or any form of life satisfaction. Atheism is purely a belief that God does not exist. Atheists are not nihilists. Atheists can be very moral, loving, balanced, emotional, even very spiritual. They just don't believe in God. Of course, individual atheists will have many individuals beliefs and leanings (even nihilism), but the core definition remains. Religion, as far as I'm concerned, is a despicable waste of time, and I think Roger would totally agree with me on that one... I personally don't care at all what any member of Queen thinks / thought about religion. I'm just interested in the music. |
| deleted user 28.04.2005 00:25 |
I was sent to a catholic school and my parents were/are not religous. They don't go to church or pray or anything. |
| lasparri 28.04.2005 05:37 |
Arlene Wrote: Freddie I know used to pray at bedtime according to Jim, and though Freddie's born faith from his family was Zoroastrian, (which was followed for his funeral), he celebrated Christmas..with his family and friends from what I've heard. I don't think he practiced any specific religion, but I think Freddie was deeply spiritual and belived in God and had faith. ================================================= I didn't know Freddie beleived, probably he got closer to the faith when he realised he was going to die. The truth is that Brian says that Freddie wrote the song "the miracle" because he wanted to believe that it was possible that a miracle saved his life. I have the idea, however, that in the early days he didn't beleive and in fact, after liestening to songs like "Seven seas of Rhye" it seems like a flirt with devil. |
| Soviet girl 28.04.2005 13:06 |
If Freddie had been an atheist why then he wrote such TRULY RELIGIOUS songs like: *Liar (looks like the prayer to God) *Jesus (Freddie almost retells the Bible) *Mad The Swine *My Fairy King (I know that the real zoroastrians say that this song is dedicated to the zoroastrian God - Ahura Mazda - and is full of zoroastrian religious signs) *All God's People etc. ? |
| gmhmagic 28.04.2005 14:16 |
I Believe in Freddie! ;) |
| MadeInMadhouse 28.04.2005 19:00 |
I know That Freddie was Zoroastrian, I read In Ahundova Book That Brian, Roger and John are Anglicans, Probably they Believe in God all Powerfull and in Jesus, but they are not an religeous exhivicionist, they Believe and love God in their own way.. not like the people who makes a propaganda about the religion and etc etc, I think the Catholic religion and others have many protocols,and many of them contains nonsense things that made people quit this religion, there are no inscription in the Bible or that Rock music is the EVIL music, where religious people take that atrocity from?, is a Sin lie? is a Sin judge without know?, is not a sin love every people and every creatures of the earth without judge, without any discrimination.... ROGER IS RIGHT in his song The Key "A Sensible Religion Is A Contradiction In Terms". . . Loving God is doing good acts!and not doing Bad things to yourself and others... thats simple! Religions are protocols, is like everything is bad in excess!! The Church are poluted by sinners!! |
| The Real Wizard 28.04.2005 23:38 |
jcrawford79 wrote: I think John is atheist (at least that's my conclusion) because on link in an interview he states he doesn't believe in any form of afterlife.Just because someone doesn't believe in an afterlife doesn't mean they deny the existence of some kind of God or higher power. Beautiful article, Arlene! |
| jcrawford79 28.04.2005 23:43 |
Which is precisely why I said "my conclusion." I agree that the statement doesn't marry him to atheism with absolute certainty; however, it makes it far more likely than otherwise. |
| vanush 29.04.2005 05:30 |
48) With six children you must often give them advice...what has been the most important piece of advice you have given them? NO IDEA |
| Fairy 29.04.2005 07:12 |
I think you can't write such marvellous, heartfelt songs about God and the spiritual aspects of life if you don't believe, or at least hope, in a superior being. If you listen closely to the messages of his songs, you can see that Freddie is a very spiritual person - he was even in the early years, but probably his illness brought him closer to these aspects of life. I think it happens to most people: when times get hard that's when we turn our attention to something that goes beyond our earthly life. I love you Freddie! Fairy |
| djaef 29.04.2005 08:17 |
Fairy wrote: I think you can't write such marvellous, heartfelt songs about God and the spiritual aspects of life if you don't believe, or at least hope, in a superior being.I think when you DON'T believe in God, an afterlife, rebirth or anything like that, you can (as just as easily as anyone else) write incredibly deep, heartfelt songs about life itself, because then it has even more value. How many overly religous folk have one foot on Earth and one in Heaven / Paradise? Sprituality is not about God or religion. It is about the unknown, the mysterious, the deepness within humankind. It requires no belief in anything except the wonderousness of life itself. |
| MercuryArts 29.04.2005 10:09 |
Is Roger really an atheist? I do know that he does not like organized religion. But does that mean he isn't spiritual? I was raised a Catholic but I haven't followed that or any organized religion for many years. But I never lost faith. I am spiritual just not religious. |
| doremi 29.04.2005 13:07 |
It doesn't matter to me if any member of Queen did, or did NOT believe in God. How a person lives and practices their life and treats others while in this life is what matters. Also I agree that just because someone does NOT believe in an afterlife (which many religions do not), does not necessarily make them atheist. And just because someone is atheist, does not mean they are not a spiritual, good person. Also...alot of so called religious people, whatever religion or God they follow, since they DO believe there is an afterlife, they use that as an excuse to treat people terrible and live their lives as nihilists because they figure, what the hell, I will live again anyhow...so I can do whatever I want, no matter how awful now. Look at some of the Catholic doctrine where as long as a Priest gives you last rites and you confess, it absolves you of everything bad you have done. Look at Judaism where if every year you atone for your sins on Yom Kippur, it absolves you of everything bad you did all year. And on and on with many religions. (BTW I am Jewish and I love God, but I abhor alot of hypcrasy in my own religion). But I am very spiritual and I do beleive in God, but I really don't practice my religion per say. I think overall, if Freddie, Brian, Roger, & John practice their lives treating people and this world as they themselves wish to be treated...with humanity and kindness, that's what matters. Look how Brian & Roger have launched a personal crusade to fight and find a cure for AIDS with their ongoing charity work with Nelson Mandela, The Mercury Phoenix Trust, & The Terrance Higgins Trust. Look how Freddie & John & the whole band when they were together in 1986, donated some of the money from The Magic Tour to charity (I forget which of the concerts..in June 86 I think). Look how all of Queen participated in Live Aid, Freddie at Fashion Aid, Brian & Roger donated money from the 1000th performance of WWRY to the Tsunami Relief. God...and spirituality, are by example and deed. Some people think God is alive and a part of humanity....and I think the members of Queen definitely have more than given back to and graced humanity by example and deed...so that's good enough for me. |
| doremi 29.04.2005 14:26 |
Rabid Wolverine wrote: Freddie mentioned God in a lot of his songs, so it's my personal belif and feelings that he did believe in God he just didn't feel like getting bogged down with an organized religion like others here have pointed out, he probably felt that they were all corrupt and misleading or something. I hate religion. I'm with Roger on the evangelical zealot types they are a bunch of pushy morons, but it doesn't mean he doesnt believe in God, I believe and like I said I detest organized religion. Also how does anyone know what John thought, he barely spoke and made his feelings known about anything.You're right on target. I am fed up with organized religion and its hypocritical, corrupt doctrine as well. But I have faith, I believe in and I love God. Yes, Freddie did mention God quite a bit in his songs from Jesus to The Miracle, to Innuendo. And as I said, according to Jim Hutton & Peter Freestone, Freddie prayed nightly. We have no right to judge Freddie, John, Brian, or Roger by who or what or if they believe in God or practice religion. We can judge them as I said in my post above, by their word and deed as wonderful people who give back, who use their music not only to entertain and heal (which is fine in and of itself for its spiritual, uplifting gifts), but for the endless humanitarian acts that they selflessly give. They have human failings as we all all do...but they TRY to do and usually DO the RIGHT thing as good people. They constantly give of themselves to others to make this world a better place. That's what elevates them in my eyes and heart. I saw a movie once where someone said, judge with your HEART, not with your eyes. Well, I judge Freddie, Brian, Roger, & John with my heart...by their hearts. :) |
| Fairy 29.04.2005 18:20 |
djaef wrote:You have a good point. Maybe I'm wrong...I just have this feeling that anyone who is so sensitive to the wonders of life, who perceives that there is something wonderful and mysterious about it, and who praises all the miracles of nature so wholeheartedly, should somehow at least hope that everything is planned and governed by a superior being or force, with or without an afterlife. I don't mean official religions. I don't follow any official religion, but I'm highly spiritual.Fairy wrote: I think you can't write such marvellous, heartfelt songs about God and the spiritual aspects of life if you don't believe, or at least hope, in a superior being.I think when you DON'T believe in God, an afterlife, rebirth or anything like that, you can (as just as easily as anyone else) write incredibly deep, heartfelt songs about life itself, because then it has even more value. How many overly religous folk have one foot on Earth and one in Heaven / Paradise? Sprituality is not about God or religion. It is about the unknown, the mysterious, the deepness within humankind. It requires no belief in anything except the wonderousness of life itself. All God's People is probably the song that tells us the most about how Freddie may have felt about God, at leastin his final years. Fairy |
| Fairy 29.04.2005 18:24 |
And about Brian: he wrote Teo Toriatte. Could it mean anything about his views of God or the afterlife? Ps. Some have pointed out that it doesn't matter how Queen members feel about God. Of course that's their own business! It doesn't change anything for us, but it's interesting to know their views anyhow. Fairy |
| The prophet's song 29.04.2005 18:33 |
Before I make any judements, could someone please tell me what the mustafa song is about. It goes on about "allah" which means god in some language. By the way, that song is very catchy |
| Fairy 29.04.2005 19:01 |
One last thought: the song Innuendo is very explicit about the subject. It's a loud plea from the human mind which is trying so hard to figure out what this is all about. I feel Freddie hoped in something, but he couldn't be sure, as most people are not. So he begged God to reveal himself. It's a powerful expression of the struggle with the unknown, to which I can totally relate... Fairy |
| The Real Wizard 30.04.2005 00:02 |
Fairy wrote: One last thought: the song Innuendo is very explicit about the subject. It's a loud plea from the human mind which is trying so hard to figure out what this is all about. I feel Freddie hoped in something, but he couldn't be sure, as most people are not. So he begged God to reveal himself. It's a powerful expression of the struggle with the unknown, to which I can totally relate...Aren't Innuendo's lyrics by Roger? |
| Little_Queenie 30.04.2005 03:11 |
Yes, they are. But nevermind... I totally agree with Arlene, in every single word. It doesn't matter what religion are you part of (if any at all), what counts are our acts. Being a real human is to believe in your stands, and to respect other's oppinions, and not to harm anyone on purpose. I'm a cathoclic, but don't like the church. It's only human institution, full of hypocrisy and contradictions. But I do believe in God, as a higher being, in nature itself, in universe, you can call it whatever you want. And I believe if you are good person through your life, that's what counts. And members of Queen actually were (in my oppinion). Btw, don't really like this new pope, didn't hear tihs about him hateing rock'n'roll till now, so this is another thing on my list why I don't like him. JPll was great pope, and trully good man. And really modern and non conservative (at least for his age and role in church). Too bad this new pope is such a conservative old fool:(( |
| ANAGRAMER 30.04.2005 06:03 |
They may not be conventionally religious - and probably have not lead particularly religious lives but, listen to "is this the word" and deny that they are not spiritually gifted |
| Scott_Mercury 30.04.2005 08:40 |
INNUENDO'S LYRICS ARE BY: FREDDIE MERCURY. INNUENDO'S MUSIC IS BY: FREDDIE MERCURY. Jim Hutton, Mary Austin, Peter Freestone, and Brian May have all credited this song to Freddie in various books and interviews. All have said Freddie referred to it as "wait until you here my BoRhap for the 1990's." For some reason, there is this conspiracy on who wrote that song, and I don't see why. The chords, the lyrics... the "lets have a flamanco guitar solo here" are nothing like Roger. |
| NTL 30.04.2005 08:56 |
Come on, we are talking about four highly educated intelligent men, so why on earth would they belive in God ?. |
| Fairy 30.04.2005 11:03 |
Yes I too have heard Innuendo was written by Freddie. And it does sound like his song...both the music and especially the lyrics. Fairy |
| alphabeth 30.04.2005 21:27 |
They were intelligent enough to know that all these organized religions are just made up stories and lies and that no one knows anything about our existence. |
| mike hunt 01.05.2005 02:06 |
i believe freddie wrote the music for innuendo, and freddie and roger wrote the lyrics. my opinion on god? well, i believe in an afterlife and a higher power, but like some here said, organized religion is a sham, of course if you hear preachers and schools telling you christianity is real and the rest of the religions are lies, that's what you'll believe, it's called brainwashing. it's pretty clear, freddie and brian were spiritual men. i don't believe roger was an atheist, i think he didn't like organized religion. |
| Mariam 03.05.2005 03:43 |
link The real story of Freddie Mercury Chapter 6 |
| AC 03.05.2005 04:58 |
Mariam wrote: link The real story of Freddie Mercury Chapter 6The best lies about Freddie Mercury. Chapter 0-165 |
| GregM 03.05.2005 07:59 |
To go back to the beginning of this thread with the Deacon interview...Holy shit, is he ALWAYS like that? My God, how mind-bogglingly dull! |
| Voice of Reason 2018 03.05.2005 11:03 |
And, of course, you can be spiritual without being religious... |
| deleted user 03.05.2005 12:14 |
mustapha might be a hint |
| Soviet girl 19.05.2005 12:48 |
Dear Thomas Quinn, does the song Liar retell something? Listen to it one more time, listen to Freddie's voice - how he sang it. "Father, please forgive me, I know you'll never leave me. Please will you direct me in a right way?" Ain't it a prayer? Or Somebody To Love: "God, what you're doing to me? I have spent all my years in believing you, But I just can't get no relieve, Lord!" What is that? Ah? |
| flash00. 19.05.2005 17:06 |
hmmm interesting.... |
| 7Innuendo7 19.05.2005 22:44 |
*interesting topic* do they believe in God? or, does God believe in them? from our end it's all a hologram |
| Scott_Mercury 19.05.2005 23:27 |
How did Freddie end just about every concert?? "goodnight and god bless" |
| Bob The Shrek 20.05.2005 01:49 |
I use the expressions 'Jesus Christ' 'Lord help us' 'For Gods Sake' etc etc - that does't make me a believer. They are just words. |
| deleted user 20.05.2005 11:19 |
I think every person belive in a god in their own way. It may be called different in each religion but still it's pretty much the same. I don't think any man or woman on the planet doesn't belive in anything. They may say they are atheist but I don't belive in that. Maby they just don't want to follow the directions every religion has. They want to belive in their own way. I don't know about the religion Queen members have.. but I'm sure they all belived in their own way. Maby Roger just didn't know he belived in someone ? That's a possibilitly. I'm sure a lot of people doesn't think about religion every day or maby never. |
| Fenderek 20.05.2005 11:22 |
Soviet girl wrote: Dear Thomas Quinn, does the song Liar retell something? Listen to it one more time, listen to Freddie's voice - how he sang it. "Father, please forgive me, I know you'll never leave me. Please will you direct me in a right way?" Ain't it a prayer? Or Somebody To Love: "God, what you're doing to me? I have spent all my years in believing you, But I just can't get no relieve, Lord!" What is that? Ah?have you ever heard about adopting the style...? You can sing (or write) a song that sounds just like aprauer, because that's a very unniversal thing and will benefit the song, the message, whatever. Doesn't mean that a person is religious at all... |
| av 21.05.2005 13:40 |
Think about how long this topic has been running. DROP IT, PEOPLE!!! |
| Q4E 22.05.2005 00:55 |
after one concert I heard him( Freddie) say "God Bless You" |
| Queenlover1971 16.04.2013 19:04 |
John Deacon is not atheist he is a catholic I dont know were you people are getting your information from |
| waunakonor 16.04.2013 20:00 |
Back in these days, three pages was considered an excessively long topic. |
| Stelios 18.04.2013 06:11 |
jcrawford79 wrote: This is the specific link linkCan you give a new link to that John Deacon's interview, becouse this dosen't work. |
| kosimodo 18.04.2013 12:50 |
This thread is from the OLD testament..... |
| thomasquinn 32989 19.04.2013 06:40 |
Queenlover1971 wrote: John Deacon is not atheist he is a catholic I dont know were you people are getting your information fromYou're reviving a topic from EIGHT YEARS AGO just to write this? I don't know where you're getting your info from either, because it's John's WIFE who is a Catholic. As far as I'm aware, John never made any public statement on his religious views. |
| jrowe1994 22.02.2019 10:58 |
When you talk about Freddie Mercury believing in God actually I don't think he did. Because here's the reason why he was born of the zoroastrian religion which I read up on it and to me it's really foolish. Freddy never mentioned anything about God just singing a song about God doesn't mean that you believe in him or her singing a song about the Lord Jesus Christ doesn't mean that you believe in him. In order to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ you have to be baptized in him and dedicate your life and put your faith in him and know that he was your savior that died on the cross for you Freddie Mercury didn't even ponder that he didn't even think about Christianity by any means. |
| jrowe1994 22.02.2019 11:02 |
Somebody interview Freddy one of his friends interviewed him and they said do you think you that you will go to heaven when you die he said no I don't want to Hell's much better look at all the interesting people you're going to meet down there. And what I have to say about that is as a Christian man what I have to say is is that you're not going to meet anybody interesting down there Freddie accept Satan and you getting tortured and the Flames are never going to go out and you're going to suffer down there. |
| jrowe1994 22.02.2019 11:10 |
So the songs that Freddie Mercury made that were referring to Jesus or God he didn't believe in that I can just tell you that right now. He even mentioned going to hell being a good thing, and in his zoroastrian faith the only way to get to heaven is if you do something good on this Earth. Those are really completely false because you don't get to Heaven by Good Deeds you get to Heaven by putting your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and living your life for him which I do and I'm a Christian I still sin I'm not perfect not by any means. Freddie Mercury even mentioned and one of his live concerts on YouTube that his glove had real diamonds in it he said he got it from the Devil and he told Brian he's like oh they don't believe me he said that Satan gave him his voice which he was a complete idiot to believe that. So I believe Brian May believe in God yes I do I believe that he believes in God which is good. Rodger Taylor doesn't have already talked to Rodger Taylor about it him and I have had, differences he's an atheist yes but did you know that atheists believe in God as well because in atheism they say they don't believe in God but yet they actually do they just don't want to believe that they believe that that's why atheism is foolish and doesn't make any sense. |
| thomasquinn 32989 22.02.2019 11:26 |
1) You are a sick fuck for reviving a years-old topic just to spew your ravings. 2) Your remarks are so ungrammatical, incoherent and just plain stupid (atheists really believe in god, and all that crap) that I have a hard time believing you are not mentally ill and/or extremely intoxicated. 3) Your remarks about religion are not just bigoted and intolerant, they are also theologically unsound. You don't appear to know much, if anything, about the meaning of religious practices. Just one example: your claims about baptism being a prerequisite for truly believing in Jesus is incredibly unsound - not in the last place because baptism is about purification before god, something that has nothing to do with Jesus, who is said to have required baptism himself. If you want to go and arrogantly proclaim how your faith is the only one that's right and true, then you should at least make sure that you actually know what your faith entails. You fail all across the board. As do so many reactionary pushers of bastardized Christianity. If anything, you prove that starry-eyed judgmental religiosity is the domain of the mentally unstable and intellectually challenged. |
| spiralstatic 22.02.2019 15:18 |
jrowe1994 wrote: did you know that atheists believe in God as well because in atheism they say they don't believe in God but yet they actually do they just don't want to believe that they believe that that's why atheism is foolish and doesn't make any sense.We’re now enlightened! *That’s* why *atheism* is foolish & doesn’t make any sense... thanks for making me do an actual laugh out loud! xxx |
| miraclesteinway 23.02.2019 09:11 |
After the slight derailment by a fundamentalist..... Montserrat Caballe is on printed record as saying Freddie believed in God, but wasn't religious. The quote I think is something like she was raised a Catholic, and they spoke about that, and in that conversation Freddie said he believed in a higher being. I'm *not* sure in what context he said it, and probably never intended for the conversation to be made public. It could even have been an off-the-cuff remark. Jim Hutton did say Freddie said prayers before he went to sleep at night in his last days. John's youngest son is a staunch Catholic and so is John's wife. Cameron is a Catholic LGBT activist which is not as unusual as it sounds but isn't common. That doesn't speak to John's personal views on religion, but it's interesting nonetheless. Roger, who knows what he believes in, but he's quoted in Magic Years during One Vision recording session as saying "I don't like religion it tends to fuck people up", and on the Happiness? EPK he says he hates very religious people, - probably meaning he hates it when the very religious try to get on their high horse with him or countries ruled by religion make laws to oppress people, and all of these things that religion is very good at doing. Whether he believes or has believed or even thought of the existence of God as a possibility, who knows. Brian as far as I know hasn't said he believes in God, but he says he finds it likely that some kind of God exists. As far as I know not one of them is religious |
| Dr Magus 23.02.2019 11:07 |
I must say I've never subscribed to the corpse on a stick theory. Responsible for causing misery and suffering for countless millions through the ages. Still, not as much as the paedo-worshipping death cult that calls itself Islam. |
| bucsateflon 23.02.2019 11:51 |
miraclesteinway wrote: As far as I know not one of them is religiousthat is one more plus for them! no wonder. |
| Sebastian 23.02.2019 13:08 |
Which god? Odin? Yahweh? Allah? Zeus? Osiris? Mentioning someone in a song doesn't mean you worship them and doesn't mean you believe they're real - as far as I'm concerned, whoever penned the lyrics to the 'Pokerap' doesn't believe in Pikachu or Jigglypuff, they just wrote some stuff for imaginary characters and that may very well be what Frederick did on 'Mustapha', 'Great King Rat', 'Mad the Swine', etc. John's wife is/was a Catholic, which may explain why at least some of their kids are as well. John himself may have been agnostic or atheist or whatever... Brian, as far as he's said in interviews and stuff, seems to be more of a pantheist or perhaps a deist. By the way, he tends to use expressions such as 'oh, my God' and stuff, but that doesn't mean he actually believes in any personal god (let alone the one worshipped by Jewish and Christian believers), it's a figure of speech - if I say that yesterday was Friday, it doesn't follow that I believe in (or worship) the goddess Frigg, Odin's wife. Frederick was raised in one faith but that doesn't mean he observed it, his funeral may have been chosen according to his parents' beliefs rather than his own (as it's often the case with funerals - mine may very well be a Catholic mass even though I despite that horrible religion). Whatever Montserrat said could've also been twisted, either deliberately or subconsciously, either by her or by whoever printed the interview, etc. Quote-mining is a common phenomenon: he could've said something like 'if there's some sort of higher power I hope it helps me get through this' (he wouldn't say that, but it's just a hypothetical example) and then Montserrat could've misread it as 'hey, he's a believer!' (also keep in mind her English wasn't flawless, nor was his Spanish/Catalan, therefore loads of stuff could've been lost in translation). I'm not saying Frederick didn't believe in anything supernatural, I'm saying an isolated quote doesn't constitute sound evidence either way. As for Roger... again, hard to tell. You can easily hate religion but still believe in a higher power (which could make him a deist, although not necessarily), and you can easily use expressions such as 'Good Lord!' without necessarily believing in any specific 'Lord' (just as you can say 'oh, shit' without necessarily referring to any specific shit). He could be deist, pantheist, atheist, apatheist, anti-theist... only he (and those who know him personally) would know for sure and it may have changed throughout his life. |
| thomasquinn 32989 23.02.2019 13:52 |
Sebastian, your remarks about deism are uncharacteristically offhand and inaccurate. Deism specifically refers to the concept of a creator-god who is responsible for setting in motion all the mechanics of the universe, but does not have any involvement with the universe after the moment of creation. Many forms of believing in a higher power of some sort exist that cannot accurately be referred to as either deism or theistic religion, for example animism. Also, anti-theism and atheism are functionally identical - anti-theism literally meaning "the movement against god" and atheism "the movement of no god". The trouble arises when atheists seek to shift the definition in order to claim that agnostics are really atheists, which is not just arrogant and disrespectful, but above all bad semantics. Oh, and while we're at it with semantics - Allah = Elohim = Jahweh. All Abrahamic religions share the same deity, which is also the reason that Jews and Christians are not considered godless by Islamic standards (as opposed to, for instance, Hindus), and that Islam and Judaism were not usually regarded as equally 'barbaric' as other religions by Europeans throughout medieval and modern history. If you want to get really deep down and into it, the use of the term "Elohim" in the Old Testament, and especially the context in which it is used, makes it very difficult to call Judaism, and by consequence Christianity and Islam, strictly monotheistic, as it would be translated as something like "the kin of El", with El being a well-documented pre-Judaic Semite deity, and occurs in a number of passages that clearly imply a plural number of gods (Genesis 6:1 speaks of "The Sons of the Gods" who beget children with the daughters of man. Later theologians changed it to "the Sons of God", but aside from being grammatically wrong, it doesn't fix the problem. So much for believing that Jesus was God's only son and maintaining scriptural literalism and inerrancy at the same time, protestants... |
| aristide1 23.02.2019 14:21 |
Stick to facts, names, numbers, memory and other autistic abilities of yours, Sebastian. Leave reasoning and intuition to the less gifted general population. It's literally painful to watch you thinking on abstract notions. |
| Sebastian 23.02.2019 15:04 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: Sebastian, your remarks about deism are uncharacteristically offhand and inaccurate.I mentioned deism three times: - 'Brian, as far as he's said in interviews and stuff, seems to be more of a pantheist or perhaps a deist.': There I'm not defining or trying to define 'deism' in any way, nor am I contradicting what you mention. I'm just saying he *perhaps* may be a deist (the use of that word, 'perhaps', implies that he could also very well be something else). - 'You can easily hate religion but still believe in a higher power (which would make him a deist)': I concede that it wouldn't necessarily make him a deist, so I could've (should've) been more precise there. A deist doesn't necessarily hate religion and not everyone who hates religion but still believes in a higher power is a deist. It's one of the possibilities and, again, he (or anybody else) could be a deist without necessarily hating religion, etc. - 'He could be deist, pantheist, atheist, apatheist, anti-theist...': I'm not trying to define any of those, just listing the possibilities. The ellipsis implies there are, as you correctly point out, other labels which could be used and which don't necessarily correspond to those. thomasquinn 32989 wrote: All Abrahamic religions share the same deityIt could be argued that they share the same title for that deity (with some translations here and there) but it's not the same. To some, it's an all-loving creator who hates gays and non-baptised; to others, it's an all-loving creator who drowns everyone; to others, it's an all-loving creator who's alright with child rape as long as it's without a condom; to others, it's an all-loving creator whose words have been twisted; to others, it's an all-loving almighty creator who couldn't foresee Adam's betrayal; and so on. aristide1 wrote: Stick to facts, names, numbers, memoryWhy should I do what you say? aristide1 wrote: and other autistic abilities of yours, Sebastian.I'm not autistic (as far as I know), but the fact you're trying to use that as an insult reveals (yet again) what an imbecile you are. aristide1 wrote: Leave reasoning and intuition to the less gifted general population.Anybody is entitled to use reasoning and intuition. Even imbeciles (e.g. you). aristide1 wrote: It's literally painful to watch you thinking on abstract notions.You didn't watch me thinking, you watched what I wrote after/while thinking and you characteristically resorted to idiotic claims, again. |
| aristide1 23.02.2019 15:50 |
Sebastian wrote: ... he tends to use expressions such as 'oh, my God' and stuff, but that doesn't mean he actually believes in any personal god (let alone the one worshipped by Jewish and Christian believers), it's a figure of speech - if I say that yesterday was Friday, it doesn't follow that I believe in (or worship) the goddess Frigg, Odin's wife. ... you can easily use expressions such as 'Good Lord!' without necessarily believing in any specific 'Lord' (just as you can say 'oh, shit' without necessarily referring to any specific shit). .Only someone with a slight mental retard could insist on extensively explaining that 'Good Lord!' and 'Oh, my God!' are not the expression of believing. Or someone who thinks the others are mentally retarded. |
| Sebastian 24.02.2019 03:48 |
'Extensively'? The fragments you quoted add up to 92 words. That's less than a minute and a half of my time, which is 2.5% of an hour, 0.10% of a day, 0.014% of a week, 0.0034% of a 30-day month, 0.00028538812% of a non-leap year. Not extensive by any means. |
| matt z 26.07.2019 23:55 |
Wow, not really the greatest exchange of words ever, was it? Thanks for the info, Thomasquinn. While I'm not fond of religious texts, thank you for pointing out more inconsistencies with modern translations, and piquing my interest in such things again. (If only for knowledge to defend myself against groups professing to be "this" or "that" flock and not adhering to said tenets) I figure people ought to invoke such things as a basis for "righting" the wrong about said tenets. If only there was some way we could use the brains of Spock and Captain Kirk to foil the ignorance of the Red State USA with regards to laws, religion, environment etc that invoked the bible.. since they disgustingly wave that thing around all the time. As for whether the band believe in any higher power, who knows? I feel like the two still performing "want to believe" and do so so much that it becomes a quality of their work. Not simply Brian's phrase "Adam's a gift from God" (which he capitalizes) but in references to (us), "We're all God's people". (it's been used in social media not relating to the song specifically). Also Brian's insistence upon and admiration of studying the cosmos. I feel he's smart enough to know that we may not entirely comprehend things as they are, nor a nexus point. Yet his admiration of creatures great and small, phenomena, and consideration for animals and somewhat for the environment (Exactly how much time CAN someone devote to numerous causes while being 72 and touring?) shows a man concerned either with the well being of "humanity" (i.e. people with compassion) as opposed to the lot of the rest. However much of this is debatable to nature vs nurture environmental causes, who's to say (i.e. a broke ass person in another country who repeatedly kills endangered animals for $, while their country also plunders the tax coffers for its own elected bodies... who knows) - who's to say whether his decision to be a good person is geared in his surroundings and good success and wishing the world to reflect that.. .or whether its geared toward selfless goals. Anyways.. I found this looking for the GOING SLIGHTLY MAD parody.... this was an interesting thread. |
| bucsateflon 27.07.2019 06:34 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: 1) You are a sick fuck for reviving a years-old topic just to spew your ravings. 2) Your remarks are so ungrammatical, incoherent and just plain stupid (atheists really believe in god, and all that crap) that I have a hard time believing you are not mentally ill and/or extremely intoxicated. |
| matt z 27.07.2019 06:48 |
Sorry for reviving a six week old revival. It's a fair topic though Bizarre that that jrowe fellow thought there was "only one God" who was essentially Jesus Christ and that no one could believe in any other as any professed idea. Or else they didn't believe in any God. personally one of my earliest hurdles was... wait wait wait. .."what about the other family members before (an "oath ") or what about my heritage of people from before white dudes came around here across the sea? U mean they all went to hell? Ah but. ..u know, just those foolish ideas you have when you're 6 after saying prayers sharing a room with ur older brother. |
| dysan 27.07.2019 08:51 |
Observation: You can't judge a song mentioning 'god' or religion as signifying the views of the writer. It's merely plot a device. Shorthand. |
| The Real Mary Austin 27.07.2019 11:40 |
Fear not! I cometh to tell you the truth. „Dear God, all the people that you made in your image, see them fighting in the street, cause they can't make opinions meet about God.“ (Andy Partridge/XTC) |
| dysan 27.07.2019 12:05 |
He also wrote Helicopter about fancying a lady in a Lego helicopter so I rest my case. |
| RobbyBloodshed 27.07.2019 18:18 |
dysan wrote: Observation: You can't judge a song mentioning 'god' or religion as signifying the views of the writer. It's merely plot a device. Shorthand.Agreed. That’s like saying James Gandolfini was actually a mobster because of a character he portrayed as Tony Soprano or that because Glenn Danzig from the Misfits sings “Skulls” he actually wants to hang skulls on his wall. Just all part of being an artist of any kind, any subject that interests you is fair game for your material. Doesn’t mean you actually believe in it. |
| juspijolma 02.08.2020 12:29 |
When you talk about Freddie Mercury was born of the zoroastrian religion which I read up on it and to me it's really foolish. Freddy never mentioned anything about God just singing a song about God doesn't mean that you believe in him or her singing a song about the Lord Jesus Christ doesn't mean that you believe in him. In order to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ you have to be baptized in him and dedicate your life and put your faith in him and know that he was your savior that died on the cross for you Freddie Mercury didn't even ponder that he didn't even think about Christianity by any means. To get your children interested in god i recommend link |
| Astin 10.08.2020 08:12 |
I'm not sure. Sometimes I believe that Good really exsist. link |