| Mercury-Alive 25.04.2005 16:14 |
What was the setlist en how was the show? Any differences? |
| hcrvelin 25.04.2005 16:43 |
At wegotit site it says same as Antwerpen. |
| Jjeroen 25.04.2005 22:13 |
Just returned home from Dortmund. Indeed it was the same setlist again. (Unfortunately again NO Long Away). A quick review? Of all the gigs i've seen (not regarding Brixton) this was definately not only the most expensive but also the least good one. It was a bit of a disappointment realy. Since the shows were getting better every night, I expected more. Dortmund today simply did NOT have the fire of the previous shows last week. Also the sound was pretty bad. Paul could barely be heard at more then one occasion and also he seemed to have voice problems again. He did not reach the high notes and 'screamed' more then at previous shows. (He was not singing as good as even when the band still was on his 'infection-scedule'). Add to that a seated concert was a wrong choice for this show. (Not a soul in the audience sat down for a second by the way! ;-) But all in all it made the atmosphere a bit boring. The audience itsself in the first place was realy old generally. Every now and again I got the idea that the band was doing a benefit for a home of the elderly. But then again: the audience DID respond! (Though Germans -they clap a lot! ;-)- apparantly always will remain 'the quiet ones' when compared to audiences in other countries...). Because of the quietness of the audience though, one could hear better what was realy going on musically. Normally that would be a plus. But now I discovered that they are using even more 'tape' in the show then I already knew or thought. For instance: it was now very obvious to hear that the big audience participation bits, the sing along-parts (example the chorusus of WWRY) have 'audience-sound and audience-vocals' already on tape coming from the stage speakers! I also got the impression that the band did not feel that much into it becáuse it was a seated concert. I guess they realy need the interaction and feel the energy to give the same back. And I'm a bit pissed off at the security as well. At one point (I believe it was right before Love Of My Life) Brian invited us to come towards the stage. "Let's see how many of you will come down here", something like that. About a dozen people were in front of the stage within seconds but me and my friends got held by security and pushed back to our exact seats. Conclusion: no, it was not a bad show at all. I'm absolutely sure everybody that was there for the first time had an awesome evening. And rightfully so! But looking back at the previous gigs it could have been better and at least we expected more of it. Tomorrow (...oops, no, that's TODAY actually. In a couple of hours...) Rotterdam! Standing again, in Holland (Queenland nr 1!) ánd my personal conclusion of this leg of the tour... MUST be a good one! ;-) ...*sigh* I don't want this tour to be over! The past four weeks are among the best of my life. But I'm afraid the day after tomorrow I'll have to go back again to normal everyday life :-/ Until July that is! ;-))) |
| YourValentine 26.04.2005 02:31 |
There must be one concert which is the least enjoyable, so you have Rotterdam to look forward to. I never noticed this taped audience noise, I wonder what that is good for. See you in Cologne, Jeroen! |
| pegamode 26.04.2005 04:22 |
Hi, I cannot agree jeroen completely. My seat was on the first ranking right to the stage and the sound was amazing. I've been to so many concerts and until yesterday the best sound I heard so far was at Bruce Springsteen concerts, but yesterday the sound was even better. Though a friend of mine was seated just about 50 meters left to me and he said that the sound was not so very good, so blame the Westfalenhalle. So, I'm just happy having had the right place with a bombastic sound. Roger's drum sound was far the best I've ever heard. The show itself was really amazing, though I'd wished some more "power songs". It was a shame that the whole concert was seated, but don't understand me wrong, for me it was one of the best concerts I've ever seen. Roger played like he was twenty years old, and Brian was in a good shape, too. The background vocals were really fantastic ... good job, Jamie and Spike (who sang most of the background vocals). So, why haven't they met Paul Rodgers years ago ??? In my opinion they did it right and the show must go on. I hope that this wasn't the last tour of them. Don't blame me for this ... I loved Freddie for being a musical genius and I still love him for all that he has done to the music worldwide, but this new guy is really amazing, too, and since yesterday Queen is for me still alive. Best wishes, Sascha |
| tirex 26.04.2005 04:27 |
jeroen, i think i saw you....wasn´t it on the area north 2? and had a little discussion with the security?? did you wear a black shirt? btw....my review comes a little bit later cause i had no voice, big headache and must go to work in a few hours...now i´m putting the pictures from my camera to my pc...and after that i put my recording of the show as well to my pc and have to convert it.... |
| tirex 26.04.2005 04:37 |
pegamode....in one point, i´m not with you....Paul ruined the Queen songs....all the Queen songs are better singing by Roger or Brian, Paul did not have the voice for it...Paul did not have any charisma or magnetism in any way...he is born to sing alright now or the other free or bad company songs....but not the Queen songs...ok it was the first 2005 concert for me and the next i go is the open air concert in cologne...i hope it will be better and more songs played....and guys of Queen: the merchandise is too expensive |
| The Mir@cle 26.04.2005 05:17 |
Tirex, I saw a Paul in good shape... And a Paul in good shape rocks, I can tell ya!!! |
| pegamode 26.04.2005 05:52 |
@tirex : I think everyone has to decide for himself if he likes the way Paul Rodgers sings the Queen songs. It's just his own way, and Brian and Roger also sing the songs far different than Freddie did, but I think that's the way it should be. Freddie was Freddie and noone should try to imitade him. It was my first concert on that tour and I was really impressed of how good the Queen songs sound with Paul on vocals. I cannot say if he was better on the concerts before, but when he was, it impresses me quite a lot more. In the end there will be people who like this guy and people saying 'go away'. That's the same as there are people who don't like Freddie's voice (who throws the first stone on them ??? just kidding). I'm just happy that Brian and Roger decided to do the tour, because in all the years I couldn't understand why both of them did their solo tours and played a lot of Queen songs, instead of touring together. Ok, some of you might say, that they (Brian and Roger) should sing all songs, but in my opinion the way they chose is the better one. But that's just my personal opionion. So to everyone, just go to the concerts, decide yourself and if you love it, hope for more of them, and if you hate it, listen to all the beautiful stuff they did with Freddie. |
| Jjeroen 26.04.2005 06:29 |
tirex wrote: jeroen, i think i saw you....wasn´t it on the area north 2? and had a little discussion with the security?? did you wear a black shirt?Yeah, that probably was us! ;-) Indeed bloc north 2. But I'm not the guy with the black shirt though (I'm the one with him, wearing the white Freddie-shirt), that was Ducksoup. We indeed had an agrument with security. Twice even! First time they wanted to kick us out because we had a camera with us (eventually they only destroyed the tapes and let us back in), and the second time because of what I wrote above: Brian invited us to come down, we went down but security refused to let us pass... Well, of course -though I did not like it ;-) with the camera they were right. Tough luck. But refusing us to leave our seats on invitation of the artist himself, realy pissed me off. Btw Barb: is it common for German security to be so agressive?? I never had any problems with those guys anywhere. You know, when I get caught with my camera I just give in. No need to argue, here's the camera and I'm back off to enjoy the show. Now two German gigs in one week and at both occasions I had problems. Of course they are right about the camera, again, that's just breaking the rules. But that's not reason to start yelling and hitting/pusing people (Frankfurt) or just picking them up by the elbows and litterly dragging them outside (Dortmund), is it? |
| Mr. Scully 26.04.2005 06:33 |
I've also noticed that the German security was really strict and aggressive. In Budapest they were also very strict but didn't use any violence at all :-) Prague/Vienna/Brixton were without any problems at all I think. |
| YourValentine 26.04.2005 07:04 |
I am shocked, Jeroen. Of course, that's not right - it's totally illegal. In Frankfurt and Munich it was not even written on the tickets that it's forbidden to bring any cameras and recording equipment. They did take my digicam in Frankfurt and in Munich but they were friendly and assured that they are insured etc. No way can they destroy your tape, take away batteries, memory sticks or other parts of your equipment and not give it back, that's definitely against the law. You have every right to complain to the promoter and ask for a refund. By no means can they send you out of the venue unless you are drunk, rioting, disturbing the peace or a danger for the security of other people. Of course, they cannot touch you, push, hit or use any other form of violence, that's a criminal offence. I heard of other people who were caught filming and they only were told to stop, no tapes or cameras were taken. I am ashamed that this happened to you in my country. I will definitely write an email to the promoter and tell them what I think about their security. I am sure they only dared to behave like this because they noticed you are from another country and not familiar with German law - what a shame. |
| Eliza 26.04.2005 09:04 |
I'm quite shocked at this! I've been at the Munich concert and I didn't have probs at all! At the entrance the security took a quick look at my camerapocket to play safe that no professional recording or photo equipment will be brought into the Olympiahall, but that was it. They allowed me to pass without any further controls. And even in the hall I saw several people filming with their digicams. Can't say that the Munich security has been very strict. No people dragging outside or something similar. Still pretty upset! :-( |
| tirex 26.04.2005 09:11 |
i saw the the whole discussion and i can´t believe as a german, that they do it with you....i say sorry for that, everybody is welcome in my country !!!!!... |
| Scirocco1977 26.04.2005 11:21 |
I don'T think it has anything to do with being German... But a lot with being German security. I know some very ugly stories about security. They once beat the living shit outta my brother. They broke his jaw and he was covered in blood and all... The next day the disco had a complete different security. But my brother still sees this guy once in a while. He's still there, still hoping to beat some innocent guys up... Back to topic: DId anyone notice the following: Roger played the first part of Innuendo.... I mean the drum part... my neighbour even started shouting "One, two, three, four..." But then ROger stopped. What a pity. |
| Scirocco1977 26.04.2005 11:30 |
So I am not completely stupid... good to know. |
| tirex 26.04.2005 12:42 |
i think it was before FBG, or? |
| Sunshine 26.04.2005 12:56 |
YourValentine wrote: I am shocked, Jeroen. Of course, that's not right - it's totally illegal. In Frankfurt and Munich it was not even written on the tickets that it's forbidden to bring any cameras and recording equipment. They did take my digicam in Frankfurt and in Munich but they were friendly and assured that they are insured etc. No way can they destroy your tape, take away batteries, memory sticks or other parts of your equipment and not give it back, that's definitely against the law. You have every right to complain to the promoter and ask for a refund. By no means can they send you out of the venue unless you are drunk, rioting, disturbing the peace or a danger for the security of other people. Of course, they cannot touch you, push, hit or use any other form of violence, that's a criminal offence. I heard of other people who were caught filming and they only were told to stop, no tapes or cameras were taken. I am ashamed that this happened to you in my country. I will definitely write an email to the promoter and tell them what I think about their security. I am sure they only dared to behave like this because they noticed you are from another country and not familiar with German law - what a shame.That's so german! To sue everybody's ass off. I mean, you're not allowed to bring in camera's and recorders and if you do so you must feel the consequences. It's as simple as that! Imagine if they have to stock 15.000 camera's when everybody brings one to the concert. It's impossible. Those security guys are doing their job, nothing more, nothing less.... |
| Scirocco1977 26.04.2005 13:54 |
sunshine wrote:Actually, sueing everybody's ass off is quite the American style and not the German. We tend to have silly leaders but we are no great in sueing.YourValentine wrote: I am shocked, Jeroen. Of course, that's not right - it's totally illegal. In Frankfurt and Munich it was not even written on the tickets that it's forbidden to bring any cameras and recording equipment. They did take my digicam in Frankfurt and in Munich but they were friendly and assured that they are insured etc. No way can they destroy your tape, take away batteries, memory sticks or other parts of your equipment and not give it back, that's definitely against the law. You have every right to complain to the promoter and ask for a refund. By no means can they send you out of the venue unless you are drunk, rioting, disturbing the peace or a danger for the security of other people. Of course, they cannot touch you, push, hit or use any other form of violence, that's a criminal offence. I heard of other people who were caught filming and they only were told to stop, no tapes or cameras were taken. I am ashamed that this happened to you in my country. I will definitely write an email to the promoter and tell them what I think about their security. I am sure they only dared to behave like this because they noticed you are from another country and not familiar with German law - what a shame.That's so german! To sue everybody's ass off. I mean, you're not allowed to bring in camera's and recorders and if you do so you must feel the consequences. It's as simple as that! Imagine if they have to stock 15.000 camera's when everybody brings one to the concert. It's impossible. Those security guys are doing their job, nothing more, nothing less.... |
| Sunshine 26.04.2005 14:04 |
Scirocco1977 wrote:Well, my experiences with German guests is that they take their holidaycatalog with them on holiday and they check what's in the hotel and what's not. That's so typical German, no other nationality does that 'cept the German. And I see simularities what's happening here...sunshine wrote:Actually, sueing everybody's ass off is quite the American style and not the German. We tend to have silly leaders but we are no great in sueing.YourValentine wrote: I am shocked, Jeroen. Of course, that's not right - it's totally illegal. In Frankfurt and Munich it was not even written on the tickets that it's forbidden to bring any cameras and recording equipment. They did take my digicam in Frankfurt and in Munich but they were friendly and assured that they are insured etc. No way can they destroy your tape, take away batteries, memory sticks or other parts of your equipment and not give it back, that's definitely against the law. You have every right to complain to the promoter and ask for a refund. By no means can they send you out of the venue unless you are drunk, rioting, disturbing the peace or a danger for the security of other people. Of course, they cannot touch you, push, hit or use any other form of violence, that's a criminal offence. I heard of other people who were caught filming and they only were told to stop, no tapes or cameras were taken. I am ashamed that this happened to you in my country. I will definitely write an email to the promoter and tell them what I think about their security. I am sure they only dared to behave like this because they noticed you are from another country and not familiar with German law - what a shame.That's so german! To sue everybody's ass off. I mean, you're not allowed to bring in camera's and recorders and if you do so you must feel the consequences. It's as simple as that! Imagine if they have to stock 15.000 camera's when everybody brings one to the concert. It's impossible. Those security guys are doing their job, nothing more, nothing less.... They're so much looking for rules and strictness.. |
| Scirocco1977 26.04.2005 14:17 |
THAT might be true... looking for rules. THat's why you see so many old people looking out of their windows and reporting everything to the police... But sadly, you get fucked a lot in this country if you don't take care. Therefore, It is wise to fight for your right... |
| tirex 26.04.2005 15:04 |
keep cool guys...the headline is "Dortmund review / setlist?"...peace please friends |
| teleport8 26.04.2005 15:11 |
Actually in Munich the security at the entrance checked me and wanted to know what I have in my jacket. I said it's just a camera (even showed it), and they let me pass. I was also taking photos close to a security man, which was no problem neither. People who smoked got problems, though. |
| Scirocco1977 26.04.2005 15:44 |
hey teleport...can you please contact me... someone is interested in your pictures... scirocco1977@yahoo.de |
| runner70 26.04.2005 15:55 |
Put those english/german clichees in another thread please - don't wanna start to tell my experiences with British people goin on holiday ;-)~ |
| S@turn 26.04.2005 16:29 |
Okay, we are back from Dortmund, and reading this gave me a big smile.. Jeroen, too much (almost)Queen might give you indeed disappointments now and then. I have seen a nice show, yes, I have seen better, the sound was realy bad,that's true. I have seen better concerts, because I saw Queen alive and that's a fact as well. I have seen better security, because when we walked in my girls' handbag was checked, I am not sure that the security even found out the color of it. Maybe you wear a t shirt with "schlag mich" on it? :) And of course you should right away complain when something like that happens without any reason, as in any civilized country that is not allowed. Security has not the same rights as police and as well no one never has the right to violate other peoples' possessions. I dont know for all countries, but for sure in Germany and in Holland that is not allowed. Paul Rodgers did what he can, snd so did Roger, Brian and not to forget Danny, Jamie and Spike (very much at the background). Paul Rodger sang his own songs with the spirit, he knew what he sang. Brian and Roger did so in the Queen songs, and well, the audience was never silence, clapping and cheering all the time. In the old days (yes, we are of that slightly getting grey generaion that can talk about how it realy was then!) it was (hard) rock, now a family meeting like Brian said (hilarious, he excuesed for having used the F word (we gonna fucking rock you *or something like that*), with his comment he noticed the people on it more then if he simply had pretended it had not happened. At Rogers' singing the audience around us sang so loud that we could not hear Roger proberly anymore. We had a wonderful time, it was great that we went and tho we wanted it all, we got what they could give and that was a hell of a lot! H@ns@bine (a full report follows at the usual places, later) |
| YourValentine 28.04.2005 12:15 |
I received a reply from bb promotion in response to my complaint about the security in Dortmund. They generally apologise for any misconduct of their security personnell and promised to look into the matter. They want to get back to me. The email was signed with a full name, so it's at least someone taking responsibility. In particular I complained about the attacks against you, Jeroen and I demanded at least a formal and official apology. Let's see what happens. Other German audience members have complained, too. |
| moonie 28.04.2005 13:12 |
Because of the quietness of the audience though, one could hear better what was realy going on musically. Normally that would be a plus. But now I discovered that they are using even more 'tape' in the show then I already knew or thought. For instance: it was now very obvious to hear that the big audience participation bits, the sing along-parts (example the chorusus of WWRY) have 'audience-sound and audience-vocals' already on tape coming from the stage speakers! It could have been the mikes onstage picking up the crowd and blasting it back through the pa. even if it was quiet were you were I bet it wasn't down the front so that could be an explanation for what you heard. |
| Jjeroen 28.04.2005 13:59 |
Woh, Barb! The work you did ;-) I intended just to forget about it. But very typical that you heard more complaints about the security! To all the German people: thanks for the compassion, but no need to appologise! I know this is not typical German behaviour ;-) I live very near to the border and I go to Germany very frequently (shopping, going out etc...). I LOVE Germans! Realy! I never knew, until I moved to where I live now, just how friendly and relaxed Germans actually are! When I go out in Germany everybody is so much more friendly as in Holland! Oh, by the way: in Dortmund they were not agressive towards me, but towards my friend. They had seen him film and when we thought they were coming over to us, he gave the camera to me and I moved away for a couple of meters. It was him they dragged outside by the elbows. Untill, of course, I followed and handed them over the camera. The guy that destroyed the tape then, was not a German security guy by the way! He was an Englishman and 'with the tour'. I could use an apology from the guy in Frankfurt, though! Tsss... I read Brian's comment on the audience in Dortmund today. The part about him inviting the people on the floor realy made me frown. If only he knew!! Maybe I should write him an e-mail about it... -------------------------------------- To craggsa: No, what I heard was definately not the audience bouncing back through the speakers! I've got a musically trained hearing and I could clearly distinguish the 'familiar' voices! Also: during God Save The Queen -and this CAN be heard at every show and also some bootlegs when one's got a good hearing- there was a massive crowd singing along through the speakers. Sure not so many people outside England know all the words to the English national anthem! ;-) |