| bgordon88 13.04.2005 16:25 |
This is the truth :- Queen I thru to NOTW were simply the best albums produced by a rock band ever. They were original, exciting, well crafted and contained musicianship the like of which we are unlikely to see again in our lifetimes. After that we got a fair crop of decent songs and Queen were still worthwhile but the golden years were over. I don't think this is often put so bluntly but I do think Roger and Brian would agree. |
| Lester Burnham 13.04.2005 17:07 |
Your opinion does not equal fact. But nice try anyway. |
| doremi 14.04.2005 13:43 |
Totally disagree...if anything Queen reached their Pinnacle with Innuendo..as good if not better than ANATO. Innuendo showcased their depth as lyricists, their evolution, maturity, and growth as songwriters, conceptualists, musicians, artists...I also LOVE AKOM, The Works. Everything they did was golden... |
| Live Killer 14.04.2005 14:05 |
I personally like the 5 first albums the most. Queen changed style into mor popping and thats maybe the main reason why I don´t like the later stuff that much. I´t would have been great if queen would have made an album that would have sounded more like the seventies, sometime later in their career. |
| doremi 14.04.2005 14:19 |
Changing their sound is what made them golden to me. I don't expect an artist to stay stuck in the same genre or sound for decade after decade. Gee, even Bowie went from Glam, to philly blues/soul, to pop. Most artists who are true ARTISTS...want to evolve, grow, spread their musical wings so to speak. I like their music as much from 1991, as 1973, as much as 1986 as 1975. It's all good, just different stages and chapters of their growth as music artisans. I like that Queen experimented with and were interested in different forms of music. A few times they didn't quite nail it like Hot Space...hey but then there are tons of musical genres..MANY of which they tried..and only disco was just so so for them. And even parts of Hot Space I like, even if it's not ART. But Innuendo...evrything on it is a masterpiece. The Game 9whic has rockabilly w/ CLTCL), AKOM and The Works are pop..but at its most sparkling and gorgeous...so who cares. It's all GREAT to me. Queen are consummate artists and if Freddie had lived, who knows what other treaures they would have brought us. |
| deleted user 14.04.2005 18:07 |
arlene wrote: Changing their sound is what made them golden to me. I don't expect an artist to stay stuck in the same genre or sound for decade after decade. Gee, even Bowie went from Glam, to philly blues/soul, to pop. Most artists who are true ARTISTS...want to evolve, grow, spread their musical wings so to speak. I like their music as much from 1991, as 1973, as much as 1986 as 1975. It's all good, just different stages and chapters of their growth as music artisans. I like that Queen experimented with and were interested in different forms of music. A few times they didn't quite nail it like Hot Space...hey but then there are tons of musical genres..MANY of which they tried..and only disco was just so so for them. And even parts of Hot Space I like, even if it's not ART. But Innuendo...evrything on it is a masterpiece. The Game 9whic has rockabilly w/ CLTCL), AKOM and The Works are pop..but at its most sparkling and gorgeous...so who cares. It's all GREAT to me. Queen are consummate artists and if Freddie had lived, who knows what other treaures they would have brought us.I agree completely. Queen were great because they were fabulous in the 70s AND in the 80s. |
| bgordon88 14.04.2005 18:41 |
I know they were great at times in the late 70s and 80s but these were not the "Golden Years". I would say 40% excellence in this period as opposed to 95% on the first 5 albums. One exception :- On Innuendo they may have crept back up to 70% ;-) |
| doremi 14.04.2005 18:47 |
But think of the songs from the 80's EVEN that are NOT on Innuendo..that are masterworks of songwriting and invention. Save Me, AKOM, Who Wants To Live Forever, One Vision, Is This The World We Created, CLTCL, Las Palabras De Amor...ALL Gems right up there with the best of the 70's stuff. |
| bgordon88 15.04.2005 06:55 |
"Save Me, AKOM, Who Wants To Live Forever, One Vision, Is This The World We Created, CLTCL, Las Palabras De Amor...ALL Gems right up there with the best of the 70's stuff. " OK - so my advice is to buy all the albums up to NOTW, Innuendo and the Platinum Collection. I reckon that would be a good enough collection for most people. |
| Bob The Shrek 15.04.2005 07:14 |
'But Innuendo...evrything on it is a masterpiece.' Delilah?????? Surely not....... |
| RohemianBapsody 15.04.2005 07:49 |
I liked the fact they would change their musi, but bloody hell the first time I listened to The Game took me by surprise. |
| deleted user 15.04.2005 12:17 |
Bob The Shrek wrote: 'But Innuendo...evrything on it is a masterpiece.' Delilah?????? Surely not.......Grrrrrr. I LOVE Delilah!!!! It's a great song... |
| Bob The Shrek 15.04.2005 12:43 |
Dust Biter - you carry on loving it, nothing wrong with that - I just question whether it can be regarded as a masterpiece and, in my opinion only, it isn't. |
| Bob The Shrek 15.04.2005 12:46 |
Rabid Wolverine wrote: I love Delilah, and all of Queens albums were ground breaking and genius, yes even Hot Space.Good God - statements like that could start me drinking again. Anyone else need rose tinted glasses, I have some going cheap. |
| doremi 15.04.2005 13:18 |
Bob The Shrek wrote:Well if a person were objective, and looked at Hot Space not necessarily as if they liked the music, but from a perspective that, yes, artistically speaking..it was a HUGE artistic and creative stretch for Queen...evolving and spreading their wings...charting NEW music genres and experimenting beyond their fan bases' expectations..yes..it IS groundbreaking. Just because some of us do not like the sound of it, or it didn't work out, does NOT take away the FACT that Queen tried a VERY challenging, NEW way to express themselves creatively and din't want to stay stuck in a rut of the same old same old...genre of music or what fans and record executives expected and wanted from them. For that Queen has my UTMOST respect.Rabid Wolverine wrote: I love Delilah, and all of Queens albums were ground breaking and genius, yes even Hot Space.Good God - statements like that could start me drinking again. Anyone else need rose tinted glasses, I have some going cheap. |
| Bob The Shrek 16.04.2005 02:01 |
Why should I be objective about how 'groundbreaking' and 'genius' Hot Space was - I paid my money to be entertained by my favourite ROCK band and was bitterly disappointed, end of story. Last weekend I moved to Sheffield, South Yorkshire and (entirely my own fault, btw) all my cd's, dvd's, svcd's, bootlegs, you name it, were stolen. Not just Queen, but my Rush collection, Dream Theater, Floyd and so on....so, I have to go out and get them all again. Hot Space will not be on my shopping list. |
| bgordon88 17.04.2005 14:23 |
...Hot Space was full of decently written pop songs. No more no less. Ir certainly wasn't golden. People said to me at the time that the album could have been anybody and lacked didn't have much of the "Queen" style about it. |
| brENsKi 17.04.2005 15:37 |
arlene wrote: Totally disagree...if anything Queen reached their Pinnacle with Innuendo..as good if not better than ANATO. Innuendo showcased their depth as lyricists, their evolution, maturity, and growth as songwriters, conceptualists, musicians, artists...I also LOVE AKOM, The Works. Everything they did was golden...this is exactly why opinions are nothing more than opinions imo - queen II was the finest album they made, innuendo was good but not great and please don't start on AKOM and the works - they are only marginally less bad than Hot Space - all three are crammed full of 80s synths, and non-instument-instumentation - pap! |
| deleted user 17.04.2005 17:49 |
Could you please stop trashing Queen's 80s output, Brenski? If you only like 70s music, then change you favorite band and become a Led Zeppelin fan! By the way, Queen II isn't their finest album. Its good but it pales completely against A Night At The Opera and A Day At The Races. These two are REALLY their finest hour. If you prefer Queen II, then you are really only a desperate heavy metal fan. |
| bgordon88 17.04.2005 18:29 |
Queen II is great. It's right up there with ANATO - it is not heavy metal by any means. It certainly rocks. It could be called progressive but that is no bad thing. Freddie's got stuck in a rut later on when he could only right about falling in and out of love - how boring. Queen II was Freddie at his lyrical best painting a picture of a landscape full of faeries, ogres and black queens. It is the essence of what the band originally intended Queen to be before commercial pressures compromised this style. |