doremi 11.04.2005 13:29 |
I was reading "The Eye" the weekend arts & entertainment section of London's newspaper The Times at Borders Books & Music in Rockville, Maryland Sunday, and there is a Hilarious reference in an article which discusses Kurt Cobain...about Kurt being a weeny...in Kurt's own admission that he felt he was inferior to Freddie Mercury as a frontman. In the 4/9/2005 edition of "The Eye" is a Cover Story about James Dean, which then discusses how certain entertainment idols that died...compared with their living contemporaries. Some examples they used were: Ian Curtis versus Bernard Sumner Here's the Kurt Cobain one. Kurt Cobain versus Eddie Vedder Quote "Grunge thrust both of these Seattle frontmen into the limelight. When one decided to take his own life, all that remained was a heap of rambling, incoherent self-pity. But that's enough of Cobain's suicide note. After 1994, Pearl Jam's Vedder finally accepted that there was no shame in being the singer in a mainstream rock band." "And Cobain? What a shame Courtney (Love) didn't Tipp-Ex the bit where he said he killed himself because he wasn't as good a frontman as Freddie Mercury." "Verdict: It's not good to top yourself, let alone because they never called you Mr. Fahrenheit." Ok maybe it is in bad taste, but it IS TRUE to an extent...and sarcasticaly pokes fun at what a doofus Kurt Cobain was, taking his own life when he had so much to live for, and when in his suicide note, he whined that he couldn't compare to Freddie as a frontman, (I believe as I recall, Cobain's ACTUAL suicide note did NOT say Kurt literally killed himself because he wasn't as good a frontman. Of course this article is trying to be sarcastic and funny, it exaggerates)... (But as I recall in the ACTUAL suicide note Cobain whined about how he envied Freddie for loving and adoring his audiences and thus, Freddie derived love, adoration, and energy off and from the audiences, something Cobain said he was incapable of and said he couldn't comprehend or feel.) |
Negative Creep 11.04.2005 13:36 |
It wasn't a suicide note though, it was merely a rough letter that was intended to made into a press release stating that he was retreating from the music business. |
bigc 11.04.2005 13:37 |
Kurt Cobain. idolised by mindless teens wanted to be alternative |
GreatKingSam 12.04.2005 04:36 |
A pointless article. He didn't even compare himself as a frontman to Freddie. he just said he couldn't continue like Freddie, becuase the adulation fom loving fans that kept Freddie strong didn't mean anything to Kurt anymore. |
The Fairy King 12.04.2005 07:45 |
bigc wrote: Kurt Cobain. idolised by mindless teens wanted to be alternativeIndeed, i think he's waaay overrated. He wrote some nice poptunes but that's it really. |
doremi 12.04.2005 11:47 |
I have ALWAYS hated the whole grunge movement and its leader Cobain & Nirvana. People who made music that was full of whining despair, despondency, depressing...coming from a bunch of spoiled middle class kids who had everything. Freddie LOVED life, embraced it, wanted so very much to live, had friends, family, his music... and fate took it away just like that when he became ill with AIDS. Cobain had everything to live for, music, fame fortune, fans, family, a wife,...a new baby daughter who selfish idiot that he was he left fatherless, everything to live for, and he kills himself. I am not very religious but I believe in God and I have faith. I don't understand, no matter how hard (or in Cobain's case how easy) life is, why someone takes their own life... and I think about people everyday who have cancer, horrible diseases, live in war torn countries, with famine and abject poverty...and Freddie...all who loved life so very much...in spite of the pain and suffering they endured. Freddie worked and made music almost until the day he died. He LOVED making music and sharing it with the world. He had no choice..A terrible disease ended his life. Cobain, if he idolized Freddie so much..should have had the intelligence, when he thought of committing suicide...to reflect on what Freddie went through...and how Freddie had NO choice, even though Freddie WANTED to live despite his disease putting him through horrible unimaginable pain and suffering...and so he died from an awful disease. Cobain should have put this in perspective and appreciated all that he had, lord knows whatever emotional pain Cobain had or issues he needed to resolve within himself, could not compare to Freddie's body being ravaged by AIDS...Cobain should have gotten some good counseling and help if he was having emotional problems...and chosen...life. Think about the daughter he could have seen grow up... What a cowardly loser. Angers me so. Freddie..on the other hand was brave, and full of hope, light, life, music, inspiration, and faith until he passed. Freddie IS an inspiration...and a heartfelt mindful lesson for us all...of embracing the gift of life...even in the face of adversity. |
Negative Creep 12.04.2005 11:59 |
erm... OK. ?? |
Sonja 12.04.2005 12:17 |
arlene wrote: I have ALWAYS hated the whole grunge movement and its leader Cobain & Nirvana. People who made music that was full of whining despair, despondency, depressing...coming from a bunch of spoiled middle class kids who had everything. Freddie LOVED life, embraced it, wanted so very much to live, had friends, family, his music... and fate took it away just like that when he became ill with AIDS. Cobain had everything to live for, music, fame fortune, fans, family, a wife,...a new baby daughter who selfish idiot that he was he left fatherless, everything to live for, and he kills himself. I am not very religious but I believe in God and I have faith. I don't understand, no matter how hard (or in Cobain's case how easy) life is, why someone takes their own life... and I think about people everyday who have cancer, horrible diseases, live in war torn countries, with famine and abject poverty...and Freddie...all who loved life so very much...in spite of the pain and suffering they endured. Freddie worked and made music almost until the day he died. He LOVED making music and sharing it with the world. He had no choice..A terrible disease ended his life. Cobain, if he idolized Freddie so much..should have had the intelligence, when he thought of committing suicide...to reflect on what Freddie went through...and how Freddie had NO choice, even though Freddie WANTED to live despite his disease putting him through horrible unimaginable pain and suffering...and so he died from an awful disease. Cobain should have put this in perspective and appreciated all that he had, lord knows whatever emotional pain Cobain had or issues he needed to resolve within himself, could not compare to Freddie's body being ravaged by AIDS...Cobain should have gotten some good counseling and help if he was having emotional problems...and chosen...life. Think about the daughter he could have seen grow up... What a cowardly loser. Angers me so. Freddie..on the other hand was brave, and full of hope, light, life, music, inspiration, and faith until he passed. Freddie IS an inspiration...and a heartfelt mindful lesson for us all...of embracing the gift of life...even in the face of adversity.Cobain was a weak person and had a shitty life since he was a kid. I don't think that's something to get angry about. Cobain was a complete psycho suffering from depression. I don't believe that it had anything to do with Freddie Mercury. At least not with the PERSON Freddie Mercury, perhaps with his ROLE as one of the best lead singers in history. But certainly not with him personally or with his desease or his life style or his attitude. |
bigc 12.04.2005 12:36 |
ok Cobain had depression.poor guy doesnt mean you start doing heroine tho, does it? |
bigc 12.04.2005 12:36 |
ok Cobain had depression.poor guy doesnt mean you start doing heroine tho, does it? |
doremi 12.04.2005 12:58 |
Sonja wrote:Read this thoroughly...this IS what I said. I said Cobain SHOULD have gotten some GOOD counseling to help him with his depression and emotional issues...arlene wrote: I have ALWAYS hated the whole grunge movement and its leader Cobain & Nirvana. People who made music that was full of whining despair, despondency, depressing...coming from a bunch of spoiled middle class kids who had everything. Freddie LOVED life, embraced it, wanted so very much to live, had friends, family, his music... and fate took it away just like that when he became ill with AIDS. Cobain had everything to live for, music, fame fortune, fans, family, a wife,...a new baby daughter who selfish idiot that he was he left fatherless, everything to live for, and he kills himself. I am not very religious but I believe in God and I have faith. I don't understand, no matter how hard (or in Cobain's case how easy) life is, why someone takes their own life... and I think about people everyday who have cancer, horrible diseases, live in war torn countries, with famine and abject poverty...and Freddie...all who loved life so very much...in spite of the pain and suffering they endured. Freddie worked and made music almost until the day he died. He LOVED making music and sharing it with the world. He had no choice..A terrible disease ended his life. Cobain, if he idolized Freddie so much..should have had the intelligence, when he thought of committing suicide...to reflect on what Freddie went through...and how Freddie had NO choice, even though Freddie WANTED to live despite his disease putting him through horrible unimaginable pain and suffering...and so he died from an awful disease. Cobain should have put this in perspective and appreciated all that he had, lord knows whatever emotional pain Cobain had or issues he needed to resolve within himself, could not compare to Freddie's body being ravaged by AIDS...Cobain should have gotten some good counseling and help if he was having emotional problems...and chosen...life. Think about the daughter he could have seen grow up... What a cowardly loser. Angers me so. Freddie..on the other hand was brave, and full of hope, light, life, music, inspiration, and faith until he passed. Freddie IS an inspiration...and a heartfelt mindful lesson for us all...of embracing the gift of life...even in the face of adversity.Cobain was a weak person and had a shitty life since he was a kid. I don't think that's something to get angry about. Cobain was a complete psycho suffering from depression. I don't believe that it had anything to do with Freddie Mercury. At least not with the PERSON Freddie Mercury, perhaps with his ROLE as one of the best lead singers in history. But certainly not with him personally or with his desease or his life style or his attitude. But what I went off on, was that Freddie had a terrible, raging, terminall illness, which put him though horrible physical...and emotional pain and suffering...you can bet Freddie's physical state wreaked havoc on his emotional state as well and that he was depressed..with a REAL reason..yet he loved life, loved making music until he died. He was brave and solderied on til the end. I do understand that people with Clinical depression think their life is often worse than it is. But Cobain was an idiot. He did TONS of heroin, which he admitted in his diary...made his emotional and physical state...worse and became a ddownward spiral of self destruction. Cobain had a newborn baby daughter that he left fatherless because he was an idiot. He should have sought help instead of zoning out on drugs and alcohol. Look at Freddie..when he got AIDS, he quit smoking, drinking, and drugs...and hoped that a Cure would be found, but in the meantime, he NEVER gave up HOPE! Cobain, people like Ernest Hemingway (who also compounded his depression by bei |
Negative Creep 12.04.2005 13:14 |
Arlene.... why on earth do you feel any need to post paragraphs on something you don't actually know about? Yawn... |
doremi 12.04.2005 13:24 |
Negative Creep wrote: Arlene.... why on earth do you feel any need to post paragraphs on something you don't actually know about? Yawn...Go take a nap since apparently I am keeping you awake... |
bigc 12.04.2005 14:39 |
yup I havent compounded my depression. I still dont do drugs even though most people I know do. I socially drink,but thats about it. |
doremi 12.04.2005 14:44 |
bigc wrote: yup I havent compounded my depression. I still dont do drugs even though most people I know do. I socially drink, but thats about it.Seriously...you ARE doing the right thing. Clinical Depression CAN be helped with proper treatment and a GOOD therapist. If treatment does not work, get a NEW therapist and try different prescibed medication. But PLEASE do NOT go off on alcohol and drugs. That can make a NON clinically depressed person emotionally unstable and suicidal. Cobain was a fool. You can be SMART! and live a happy and normal life. Think of Freddie, and how much he embraced the life he did have. Well you do that. Life is too short to not make the happiest and most of it. |
Sonja 12.04.2005 16:52 |
Seriously... I'm not the biggest fan of Cobain but do you really think that someone as desperate as Kurt was that he's about to kill himself thinks about others who are dealing with a deadly desease and whether it's unfair to others who want to live but can't? I don't think so. I think someone that kills himself is VERY sick. And how desperate can someone be that he finds that suicide is the only way out... I think it's rather sad than selfish. As for loved ones... who was there in Kurt's life apart from Francis-Bean? Courtney? She did heroin during her pregnancy so she's not much better than Kurt. |
bigc 12.04.2005 17:05 |
arlene wrote:I dont intend to. when I drink its hardly binging. I dont even drink spirits, just a few pints on a hot day is nice, or a friday evening or saturday night. but thats it.bigc wrote: yup I havent compounded my depression. I still dont do drugs even though most people I know do. I socially drink, but thats about it.Seriously...you ARE doing the right thing. Clinical Depression CAN be helped with proper treatment and a GOOD therapist. If treatment does not work, get a NEW therapist and try different prescibed medication. But PLEASE do NOT go off on alcohol and drugs. That can make a NON clinically depressed person emotionally unstable and suicidal. Cobain was a fool. You can be SMART! and live a happy and normal life. Think of Freddie, and how much he embraced the life he did have. Well you do that. Life is too short to not make the happiest and most of it. |
Leppar 13.04.2005 13:15 |
Kurt was a prat. Vastly overated and thought he was the biggest thing since sliced bread AND had the nerve to mock people better than him ie Axl Rose. Axl is 100 times the man Kurt would EVER have been. |
GreatKingSam 14.04.2005 05:46 |
I personally think Kurt Cobain was a pretty decent guy. Just lived the rock and roll lifestlye, and wasn't really ready for such immedaite and outrageous fame. All this, coupled with perhaps not the easiest upringing, drove him to suicide (if you believe Courtney Love didn't kill him). I don't think this makes him any less a person for killing himself. Just becuase some of you don't agree with his motives for taking his own life, doesn't make them invalid fomr Kurt's point of view. He didn't want to continue, simple as that. He was no more arrogant than anyone who has been thrust in the limelight suddenly and constantly. This was his way of dealing with his thoughts. He was just being a personality. And Axl Rose is a complete idiot, to suggest he is a better man than Kurt is ludicrous. Just because Axl is still alive doesn't give him the upper hand, it just means he's got more time to do silly things, like sack his band. Anyway... I'd hope most of you would have heard of a footballer called Paul Gascoigne. I recently read his autobiography, and he suffered form very bad depression, alcoholism, compulsive obsessive dissorder, had many many twitches etc. As a child, his dad was very ill and this scarred him, he witnessed a few friends of his, at varied ages, die before him (car accidents etc). All this scarred him, as he blamed himself. His footballing injuries left him isolated though which he turned to alcohol to remedy his problems. COnstant spending of his money, problems with his wife and the inability to admit his problems to anyone didn't help him at all. Does this make him a better or worse person than Kurt? Paul felt some similar feelings to Kurt, but obviously different situations caused these. The main different is, although Gazza thought about suicide, he thought it perhaps too selfish. Now, Paul used his football (much like Freddie his music) to try and live his life. Would you honestly say Paul Gascoigne would have been any less a man if he would have ended his life? Or would he have just done it to get out of his problems? |
GreatKingSam 14.04.2005 05:46 |
I personally think Kurt Cobain was a pretty decent guy. Just lived the rock and roll lifestlye, and wasn't really ready for such immedaite and outrageous fame. All this, coupled with perhaps not the easiest upringing, drove him to suicide (if you believe Courtney Love didn't kill him). I don't think this makes him any less a person for killing himself. Just becuase some of you don't agree with his motives for taking his own life, doesn't make them invalid fomr Kurt's point of view. He didn't want to continue, simple as that. He was no more arrogant than anyone who has been thrust in the limelight suddenly and constantly. This was his way of dealing with his thoughts. He was just being a personality. And Axl Rose is a complete idiot, to suggest he is a better man than Kurt is ludicrous. Just because Axl is still alive doesn't give him the upper hand, it just means he's got more time to do silly things, like sack his band. Anyway... I'd hope most of you would have heard of a footballer called Paul Gascoigne. I recently read his autobiography, and he suffered form very bad depression, alcoholism, compulsive obsessive dissorder, had many many twitches etc. As a child, his dad was very ill and this scarred him, he witnessed a few friends of his, at varied ages, die before him (car accidents etc). All this scarred him, as he blamed himself. His footballing injuries left him isolated though which he turned to alcohol to remedy his problems. COnstant spending of his money, problems with his wife and the inability to admit his problems to anyone didn't help him at all. Does this make him a better or worse person than Kurt? Paul felt some similar feelings to Kurt, but obviously different situations caused these. The main different is, although Gazza thought about suicide, he thought it perhaps too selfish. Now, Paul used his football (much like Freddie his music) to try and live his life. Would you honestly say Paul Gascoigne would have been any less a man if he would have ended his life? Or would he have just done it to get out of his problems? |
Óli Gneisti Sóleyjarson 14.04.2005 11:39 |
Was it smart of Cobain to use drugs? No, but depression can fuck up your mind so I wouldn't be too quick to judge. |
dixie 14.04.2005 11:49 |
i thought Cobain died because he was so fcuked up on heroin because of his depression he killed himself. none of this comparing himself to freddie. cobain died as a martyr to many people but to me he wrote about 4 good songs smells like teen spirit COME AS YOU ARE litium heart shaped box apart from these songs cobain did nothing |
Leppar 14.04.2005 13:44 |
Wake up and smell the coffee GreatKingSam Kurt was a big headed prat who thought the world owed him everything - no one respects him. Suicide is the easy way out and if you use drugs you deserve everything you get. Oh and Axl is a class act and a SUPERSTAR - something Kurt NEVER was. Also Axl had a shed load more talent than the worthless Cobain. |
doremi 14.04.2005 14:06 |
Cobain was a coward as I said who made things worse with his substance abuse. I hate grunge, Nirvana, & Cobain..that music and Cobain were and are a terrible, negative role model for young impressionable kids who look up to rock stars. What was he thinking? If show business and music were too stressful for him..all he had to do was retire and live out his days being the father his daughter should have had. He was financially set for life. All he did was whine about the stresses of th music business. Hey walk a mile in millions of everyday people's shoes who work 2-3 jobs trying to feed their family, pay their bills, just to put a roof over their head. That's stress. Cobain should have gone into rehab, sobered up, retired and lived a nice life collecting royalties and getting good mental health therapy. No offense but I never felt sorry for him. ALOT of people have REAL problems like cancer, poverty, war, famine, and they WANT to live. GROW up you whiner. Then he complains about how sick heroin made him in his diary. Ya think! Again, he should have retired, sobered up and gotten help. I feel no pity for this loser. I DO feel pain and distress for Freddie, who wanted so to live...and endured over half a decade of deteriorating pain and suffering. Freddie even was going blind in the end, and living on pain killers. Yet he NEVER complained, not once. Freddie loved life, loved and continued to make the best music of his life. He remained a good friend, colleague to his bandmates and friends and family, and he always had and never gave up HOPE... A wonderful and POSITIVE role model for us all. |
mike hunt 14.04.2005 14:13 |
arlene, that's way to harsh, your right people have problems and he was one of those troubled ones. you don't know how he was feeling when he pulled that trigger, anyway, i to was never a nirvana person (grossly overated) but don't judge so harshly, you must remember everyone reacts differently to problems. |
egret 14.04.2005 14:31 |
You know, for a board that takes profound offense at any disrespect to the memory of Freddie Mercury, many people seem quick to speak ill of the dead who don't have defenders here. |
The Real Wizard 15.04.2005 03:13 |
egret wrote: You know, for a board that takes profound offense at any disrespect to the memory of Freddie Mercury, many people seem quick to speak ill of the dead who don't have defenders here.Good observation. Simply put, nobody here can possibly imagine what pain was eating Kurt alive when he pulled that trigger. However, I do think it was cowardly for him to choose his feelings over his daughter's feelings, who would never have a father growing up and for the rest of her life. But again, then there are the theories of Courtney killing him... |
GreatKingSam 15.04.2005 05:09 |
Dear Leppar and Arlene... how dare you tell me, or those who have defended Kurt to grow up, smell the coffee or whatever. And for what reason? Becuase we weren't so quick to judge others that we don't really know on the basis that we hate their music? Obviously this is the most adult and fair way to do so. Is it not down to the person in question at the end of the day. Some take different events in different ways. For example, one of my best friends dad died last Friday evening of a sudden and unexpected heart attack. No nineteen year old shoud go through this. Both myself and him have taken this as a sign that life is too short. But perhaps things got too much for Kurt, despite your obvious preconceptions, and he didn't take it a sign to buck his ideas up, but to end his life, to stop his personal pain and fears. Freddie was a great man yes, and we'll be plessed as a nation - world even - to have another pure and decent entertainer and person walk this Earth again. We all know that. But just because he was so greta, you have no right to quash other peoples problems regardless of how important or inferior you consider them to be due to how much you dislike grunge or whatever other pointless reason. A few years ago, another family friend of ours found herself a new man and father to her two children. He had sufered from serious depression, and was now recovering well. He was a top bloke, met him a few times at a couple of parties and weddings etc. Every thought he was passed his days. Unexpectedly a few months after meeting him, they came home from the school run one afternoon to find him hanging from the roof in their study. He had not been happier. Does this make him less of a person? May you suffer for saying otherwise. Perhaps sometimes, no matter how well peopole can cover things up, there is still only one way out. Perhaps it is the most selfish, but that isn't really for us to decide, as for those who take their own life, it is exactly that - their OWN life, and they may do with it what they please. Be it treat it well, or waste it. |
doremi 15.04.2005 12:13 |
I'm not suffering, Cobain's fatherless daughter is and will the rest of her life. And did you know that psychiatrists say that the NUMBER one person who suffers after a suicide, is any child..who then becomes ten times more likely to ALSO then suffer depression, blame them selves (for which they should NOT), and also become suicidal. What a terrible hand to deal his child. Ernest Hemingway came from relatives who suffered depression and committed suicide, so did he, so did his grandaughter Margeaux...and so the awful cycle continues. Also, I was not blaming Grunge or any type of music for Cobain's actions. I just was pointing out that that particular form of music also sends a bad messsage to young impressionable youth because its lyrical content is so full of negative imagery, depression, sometimes even violence and suicide...not somthing I would want to listen to or want my child listening to if I had a child. Just like Rap...I repsect all forms of music...but Rap also sends a bad negative message to young impressionable youth about glorifying violnce, especially against women and police. |
bigc 15.04.2005 13:35 |
yeah. i dont want to sound cynical.but if Kurt was still alive...I doubt Nirvana would be half as big. |
The Real Wizard 15.04.2005 17:20 |
bigc wrote: yeah. i dont want to sound cynical.but if Kurt was still alive...I doubt Nirvana would be half as big.You're absolutely correct. Most people had never heard of the band until April '94. Looking back now, Cobain got a hell of a lot more press than the Rwanda massacres happening around the same time. This was also the case on the 10th anniversary. My local newspaper one day last April had Kurt on the front page, and Rwanda was mentioned on page 15. Just sickening, really. |
newcastle 86! 16483 16.04.2005 22:20 |
who cares there both dead and gone............get on with it loosers |
Victoria 17.04.2005 01:32 |
arlene wrote: I'm not suffering, Cobain's fatherless daughter is and will the rest of her life. And did you know that psychiatrists say that the NUMBER one person who suffers after a suicide, is any child..who then becomes ten times more likely to ALSO then suffer depression, blame them selves (for which they should NOT), and also become suicidal. What a terrible hand to deal his child.You are assuming too much. How do you know the emotional/psychological stance of the fatherless Cobain daughter? Do you know her personally? This I highly doubt. May I also ask your reference to that stat? Here's one for you: Seventy percent of all statisics are made up on the spot. She wasn't even two at the time her father commit suicide. Infants at this age are not suffering from influences of suicide. They are too young to comprehend the magnitude of such events. They have no concept of mature emotions. Though they can experience personal truama, they will not "suffer" from the truamas of others. Being fatherless does not automatically make you messed up or doomed to their fate. Though his example is unfortunate, the outcome may not neccesarily be depression or devistation. Perhaps it taught to be an optimist. Look for the positive angle to everything, and let that elevate you to a better standing. Moral outlook (including susceptibility to depression or suicide) is formed in your upbringing and your environment. When you only look at parental suicide (or whatever) as "monkey see, monkey do", then you are only looking at it the way you want to. It is supportive of your argument. Though genetic make-up is partially in play of one's personality, therapy/counseling or supplimental/chemical influence will alter with such aids. Perhaps Miss Cobain is not so bad off as you make her to be. If she was properly taken care of, then she should grow to be a healthy, happy person. ----------- *WARNING: the following message is in no way meant to offend. It is an amiable question/comment that is not a personal attack or rebutal, but rather a curious inquiry* I agree with you that the majority of rap (:P imho) holds immoral messages, I wonder if you are aware of a song by The Black Eyed Peas, "Where is the Love?". It is most definately not promoting violence or corrupt society. In fact, it is the exact opposite. The message is a good one. I think you'd like it, if you'd listen to it. By a stretch, it's like the rap version of "Is this the World We Created?". I am most definately not saying they are in the same leagues. "Where?" is more simple in my opinion. The essential message is the only connection I am making here. :) |
Victoria 17.04.2005 02:27 |
Wouldn't it seem more traumatic for a kid like Sean Ono Lennon, than the Cobain daugther? Lennon was such a positive, loving parent. To have a good-willed father assassinated, versus his taking his own life would be far worse, to me. The involvement of outer players such as strangers would complicate the matter. That would make such little sense (if any) to a child. How confusing. |
RainMustFall2 17.04.2005 09:36 |
<h3><font color=#A2FF0>Fairy King</font> wrote:I'm sure a guy who wrote a song called "Moist Vagina" was really interested in writing pop tunes.bigc wrote: Kurt Cobain. idolised by mindless teens wanted to be alternativeIndeed, i think he's waaay overrated. He wrote some nice poptunes but that's it really. |
bigc 17.04.2005 09:57 |
well more so than if he'd called it moist cunt |