| KillerQueen840 31.03.2005 10:30 |
I can't believe it. Terri Schiavo died, I am totally outraged. I can't believe some people can be so heartless. I really hope her family is doing alright. |
| LiveAidQueen 31.03.2005 10:33 |
Yeah, I just saw it on CNN. It sucks, but what can you do about it... |
| Erin 31.03.2005 10:35 |
At last, she is at peace. Here is what I don't understand. It is ok to starve someone to death but to administer euthanasia to a chronically ill person is wrong? |
| Krizzy 31.03.2005 10:36 |
This should've from day 1 been a private matter. I am sorry for her loved ones that she is gone but there was no quality of life and the whole media and government involvment was unfair to her and now that she is at rest may she find eternal peace. Kriz :^( |
| LiveAidQueen 31.03.2005 10:37 |
I just thought it was ridiculous they let her starve and go without water. If they wanted her to die, why couldn't it have been an easier death? It's a little harsh...It's just plain stupid. |
| Mr.Jingles 31.03.2005 10:42 |
Would anyone here putting themselves in Terri's position be willing to live like a vegetable for the rest of their life? If there were chances of bringing Terri back from her coma and live a normal life, then I could understand the point of those who are protesting to keep her alive. However, doctors said that there were no chances of bringing Terri back from her vegetation state. Btw, did anyone see last night that 'South Park' episode where Kenny goes into a coma and enters a vegetate state that stops him from going to heaven and becoming Keanu Reeves to stop Satan from invading heaven? Seems very odd that the episode aired one day before Terri died. |
| KillerQueen840 31.03.2005 10:54 |
I understand, but dehydration and starvation are one of the most painful ways to die. It is inhumane, even if she is mostly brain dead. Seriously, she has responded to different things such as a balloon passing by. She turned her head, followed it, and everything. Being on a feeding tube is not so much life support. She can breath on her own and do everything else necessary to live. A perfect example is how a baby relies on her mother to be fed. She is still a human and deserves respect even if she cannot (well, I guess now it would be right to say couldn't since she is gone..) do a lot of things. Her husband would not allow her to recieve therapy at all during her early stages. I am still disgusted. He could've just simply divorced her and allowed her parents to take care of her. He has a family of his own now, he should've let the people who cared for her the moment she was born take care of her now. Her husband must've had some infulence on why she had that accident. A young lady who is at a nice weight doesn't typical have a heart attack or stroke or whatever. I would keep going, but I am in writing lab right now, and will probably be forced to turn the monitor off at any moment. |
| Saint Jiub 31.03.2005 11:05 |
Yippie. Now maybe the news will be about something else rather than about a person who has been dead for 15 years. By the way, I recall that experts saying that she would not have felt pain but rather a euphoric state. |
| Lisser 31.03.2005 11:09 |
This was indeed a tragedy. I was totally against her starving to death. There was no clear solution to this. She had no quality of life in the state she was in but it is not up to anyone on this earth to say when and how she should die. It was a sad, sad situation. I take comfort in knowing she is in a better place now. I'm not sure if it was her time to be in that place today, when her heart stopped years ago, or sometime in the future. I do know that it is not up to me, a judge, her husband, or anyone else to decide when it was her time. I do not like how the whole thing was handled but there was nothing I could do but hope for the best. I pray that this does NOT happen again. Thomas, how can you say America's laws are stupid? Do you live here? I do not argue that every law on the books serves every citizen equally, that would be impossible in every country. Do the laws where you live make you completely happy? Is it legal to do LSD where you live? I am just wondering if it is bc you said you were going to try it. I'm starting to believe that you are predjudice against Americans, are you? I hope not. I am getting bored trying to convince you that 9 out of 10 things you say are insensitive. |
| KillerQueen840 31.03.2005 11:11 |
Lisser, I totally agree. That was very well put. |
| Mr.Jingles 31.03.2005 11:16 |
Although I agree that Terri deserved a dignified quick and painless death, I certainly do not agree with just letting someone starve to death. |
| Lester Burnham 31.03.2005 11:20 |
Now all the 24-hour news stations can go back to reporting about, you know, other news in the world. |
| LittQueenie 31.03.2005 11:26 |
Mr.Jingles and Lisser - well said. I am SO sad about this. This was a tragedy that would have NO happy ending. This poor woman and I feel SO sad for her family. But, I believe that she is at peace now and that is the most important thing. I am Catholic and the feeding tube issue is SO grey. On the one hand, it was inhumane to starve her to death, but then again she was in such a brain-damaged state that if it took a feeding tube to keep her alive, is she TRULY alive? No happy endings here, just questions and what ifs. The only person I don't feel sorry for is the husband - I don't why, but he gives me the creeps - here he is, the grieving husband, with the live-in girlfriend and 2 children with this woman??? Bullcrap. Why didn't he divorce Terri? He didn't want to give any power to her parents? He scares the crap out of me. But, at least this case has more and more Americans making out living wills with their wishes voiced so this kind of thing will not happen as often. I have one now! |
| Mr.Jingles 31.03.2005 11:31 |
Lisser wrote: This was indeed a tragedy. I was totally against her starving to death. There was no clear solution to this. She had no quality of life in the state she was in but it is not up to anyone on this earth to say when and how she should die. It was a sad, sad situation. I take comfort in knowing she is in a better place now. I'm not sure if it was her time to be in that place today, when her heart stopped years ago, or sometime in the future. I do know that it is not up to me, a judge, her husband, or anyone else to decide when it was her time. I do not like how the whole thing was handled but there was nothing I could do but hope for the best. I pray that this does NOT happen again. Thomas, how can you say America's laws are stupid? Do you live here? I do not argue that every law on the books serves every citizen equally, that would be impossible in every country. Do the laws where you live make you completely happy? Is it legal to do LSD where you live? I am just wondering if it is bc you said you were going to try it. I'm starting to believe that you are predjudice against Americans, are you? I hope not. I am getting bored trying to convince you that 9 out of 10 things you say are insensitive.I think Thomas makes a good point, but I can't tell you for sure if his comment was meant to be anti-American. Although I know that he makes some anti Republican/anti-conservative comments (some of which make sense to some extent), I have to say that IMO not all of them aren't meant to be taken in any way as anti-American. ...but anyways. I know you say that this is a tragedy Lisser, and I agree with you. However, the past 15 years for Terri have been a much bigger tragedy than her own death. She's in a better place now, and although it's terribly sad it's a relief in some way. Definitely you're right when you say that this should never happen again, but the sad truth is that it could possibly (probably perhaps) happen again. Let this be a lesson to everyone because although chances are the we won't have to face such a terrible thing, it could still happen to anyone. Euthanasia has been a subject of way too much controversy for decades, but little has been done to solve the problem, since lawmakers are still debating over the problem. Hopefully Terri Schiavo's case will make them realize how important it is to come to an agreement. A solution could be to make everyone sign a will or petition to decide their own fate in case that a state of illness makes them unable to give them the right to live or die. However, I don't know what would it take to make every single person sign such kind of petition. |
| Saint Jiub 31.03.2005 11:54 |
Now we can hear daily reports on whether Pope John Paul can speak and speculation on when he will say mass again. The US legal system is certainly not a model for the rest of the world. The US legal system is by the lawyers for the lawyers, and is not really about justice. It is more about who can stuff the better lawyers pockets. |
| Mr.Jingles 31.03.2005 12:09 |
Rip Van Winkle wrote: The US legal system is certainly not a model for the rest of the world. The US legal system is by the lawyers for the lawyers, and is not really about justice. It is more about who can stuff the better lawyers pockets.Don't forget Johnnie Cochran (R.I.P) Although I didn't like him much for getting a clear murderer out of jail, I have to admit that the guy was damn smart (sometimes in malicious ways, like many lawyers) to make people who seem completely guilty get away with murder. |
| Penetration_Guru 31.03.2005 12:48 |
1. Does the US media know there is a "rest of the world" to report about? 2. Any country whose President bangs on about the right to life, and the "strong protecting the weak" while simultaneously allowing the mentally infirm to be executed deserves some serious questioning of its laws... 3. Withdrawing treatment is allowed in many countries. Killing people isn't (except some rather countries that think it's ok to execute criminals). If you don't like such laws, ask your politicians to change them |
| Sonia Doris 31.03.2005 12:49 |
sad and happy news at the same time. i might say i'm glad that she passed away in silence and now her husband and her parents won't have to fight in court (only inside the family...) |
| Mr.Jingles 31.03.2005 13:38 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: 3. Withdrawing treatment is allowed in many countries. Killing people isn't (except some rather countries that think it's ok to execute criminals). If you don't like such laws, ask your politicians to change themThe problem my friend is that 99.99999% of politicians don't listen to people unless they're willing to take money out of their pockets and finance their campaigns. |
| deleted user 31.03.2005 14:00 |
I have found this entire issue completely outraging and I wonder just how barbaric this world has become. This is all I am going to say about any of it, because I choose not to get into debates with posters on this topic, nor do I feel like hearing anymore about it because it is extremely saddening. |
| *3*Playful as a pussycat 31.03.2005 14:01 |
Mr.Jingles79 wrote: Would anyone here putting themselves in Terri's position be willing to live like a vegetable for the rest of their life? If there were chances of bringing Terri back from her coma and live a normal life, then I could understand the point of those who are protesting to keep her alive. However, doctors said that there were no chances of bringing Terri back from her vegetation state. Btw, did anyone see last night that 'South Park' episode where Kenny goes into a coma and enters a vegetate state that stops him from going to heaven and becoming Keanu Reeves to stop Satan from invading heaven? Seems very odd that the episode aired one day before Terri died.very true...and yes i did see that South Park episode...it was a little harsh to be making fun of poor Terri in that way, but...damn...it was funny... |
| Mr.Jingles 31.03.2005 14:10 |
Playful as a pussycat wrote:I don't think that Trey Parker and Matt Stone were making fun of Terri Schiavo, but rather making fun of those handling Terri's fate and trying to enforce their views in the decision concerning whether to let her live or die. That's pretty much aiming to her parents, her husband, the government and the media.Mr.Jingles79 wrote: Would anyone here putting themselves in Terri's position be willing to live like a vegetable for the rest of their life? If there were chances of bringing Terri back from her coma and live a normal life, then I could understand the point of those who are protesting to keep her alive. However, doctors said that there were no chances of bringing Terri back from her vegetation state. Btw, did anyone see last night that 'South Park' episode where Kenny goes into a coma and enters a vegetate state that stops him from going to heaven and becoming Keanu Reeves to stop Satan from invading heaven? Seems very odd that the episode aired one day before Terri died.very true...and yes i did see that South Park episode...it was a little harsh to be making fun of poor Terri in that way, but...damn...it was funny... I didn't find the episode offensive at all. I think it was one of the most brilliant South Park episodes I've seen in a long time. |
| Mr.Jingles 31.03.2005 14:23 |
You have one side saying that Terri should live despite the fact that there are no chances of bringing her back to live a normal life, and condemning her to a state of vegetation for the rest of her days. Then there's another side saying that Terri shouldn't be living like a vegetable and the best thing to do is let her die despite the ethical and moral questions concerning not allowing someone to live. Those who oposse the idea claim this to be nothing but a murder. In the end the only person who has to the complete right to decide the fate of Terri Schiavo is NO ONE, but ONLY TERRI herself. Sadly, (and I mean VERY SADLY) her state won't allow her to make that decision. |
| Lisser 31.03.2005 14:35 |
I'm not offended by your opinions Thomas, but I do think they are insensitive and poorly conveyed. You have the right to say how you feel and I do respect that as I'm sure you respect what I say too....right? Of course you do. I have not consulted any medical professional about the effects of LSD. I just know from a personal experience I had my freshman year in college when I tried it. It was not pleasurable. If you want to try it, by all means do so. I hope you don't though. I agree in some manner that Bush is a hypocrite with regard to the issue of abortion, right to die, and the death penalty. I can only say that I feel he is seeing the life or death issue from two different angles. Bush does not believe that criminals have a right to live if they've taken another life. That is a personal belief he has that is represented my many other Americans, Americans that have more than likely voted him in to his current position as President of the United States. He is not the only person in the States who believes this. Bush does believe that abortions should not occur bc this is an innocent life that is not getting a chance. I am pro choice because I do believe it should be a personal decision and not the decision of our government. But do I feel like embryos should be ripped from the womb?? Absolutely not but I am against a government making that personal choice for me or anyone else. It is my opinion that both George Bush and Jeb Bush feel like Terri should "live" as long as it is possible to keep her "alive" no matter what your definition of alive is. I do wish that her husband would have divorced her and given put her care into the hands of her parents, but then I wish that back when it was determined that more than likely she would never recover that the decision be made then. I'm not clear on why this was allowed to go on for 15 plus years. I am fairly confident why Teri's husband would not divorce her. He stood and stands to gain a lot of malpractice lawsuit money and death benefit money when Teri died. Why else would he have two children and live with another woman while still married to Teri in her current state? If it helps to explain why Bush is hypocritical with regard to the right to live/right to die issue, that is how he is looking at it I feel, I could be wrong. He and many other Americans feel that if you take a life, your life should be taken from you as well...an eye for an eye. Many people do not agree with this and many people do. I find it sad that criminals are allowed to die more humanely than Terri was. I was totally against her starving to death, even if some research says she couldn't feel it. I don't like it. We put humans in jail for withholding food from animals. I just hope this doesn't happen again. I hope people can put in writing what their wishes are if they are ever in this situation. Mine have been put down on paper since I was 18. When you are under 18 here your parents make decisions for you. |
| Mr.Jingles 31.03.2005 14:37 |
Caspar and Marialyv You guys have just broken the Queenzone record for the fastest reconciliation after a deep argument full of insults. CONGRATULATIONS! |
| Lisser 31.03.2005 14:59 |
Thomas it is your right to have that opinion about putting people to death for killing another. The fact is is that is a popular opinion in the United States. It is also a popular opinion that the death penalty is unjust and inhumane. The country is pretty divided on it and not every state carries the death penalty. I have mixed feelings on it. I fear that many are put to death that are innocent. We could debate all day on issues, especially goverment regulations. It's not your opinions that I get slightly annoyed at...it's just the insensitve one-sided way you convey them. I won't pretend like I am trying to moderate you bc I am not. I'd like you to be a little more open minded about some things though. It is not your way or the highway. I would have never called B&Q a bitch no matter what she said to me. You can't expect her to know the tragedy of your grandmother. You've been here long enough to know that we are a big family here. It makes it hard to have a healthy debate when you tend to be so one-sided and close minded to other poster's beliefs. |
| Lisser 31.03.2005 15:15 |
And there is nothing wrong with being assertive, now being too aggressive isn't good. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being assertive. You should be comended for having your strong beliefs and values and sticking to them, just don't be a butthead about them! ;) I am the only one allowed to be a butthead!!!! bwuahahahahaa!!! |
| Mrs.Taylor 31.03.2005 15:19 |
I'm not getting into this debate but we had a similar thing a few years ago, with a young lad who was caught up in the Hillsborough disaster but in his case, his parents wanted to end his suffering and the legalities were to determine that no doctor would face prosecution for withdrawing his feeding tube. Me personally, I wouldn't want to exist like that. |
| Saint Jiub 31.03.2005 16:16 |
It is far better to let murderers rot in jail than to than to stoke the American legal circus and stuff lawyer's pockets. Where are all the poeple of Queenzone that rejoiced when Lacey Peterson's husband (and murderer) was sentenced to death? How many millions will all the appeals and counter-appeals for the death penalty cost. What a waste of time and money. Let the guy rot in prison and be done with it (and any other death row prisoner). Remember the American legal system is not about justice much of the time. It is about the best lawyer winning. Also, there are plenty of reliable stories of people being exonerated by DNA evidence before the government could snuff them out with the death penalty. |
| dragonzflame 31.03.2005 16:52 |
<font color="lime">KillerQueen840 wrote: I understand, but dehydration and starvation are one of the most painful ways to die. It is inhumane, even if she is mostly brain dead. Seriously, she has responded to different things such as a balloon passing by. She turned her head, followed it, and everything. Being on a feeding tube is not so much life support. She can breath on her own and do everything else necessary to live. A perfect example is how a baby relies on her mother to be fed. She is still a human and deserves respect even if she cannot (well, I guess now it would be right to say couldn't since she is gone..) do a lot of things. Her husband would not allow her to recieve therapy at all during her early stages. I am still disgusted. He could've just simply divorced her and allowed her parents to take care of her. He has a family of his own now, he should've let the people who cared for her the moment she was born take care of her now. Her husband must've had some infulence on why she had that accident. A young lady who is at a nice weight doesn't typical have a heart attack or stroke or whatever.I can't believe nobody's said this...that's unbelievably judgemental on the husband. I don't know where you heard the part about him not allowing therapy, but if you'd been following the case you would know that she ended up in PVS because she had a heart attack CAUSED BY AN EATING DISORDER. (Ironic really...)I don't say that he was a saint or anything but saying that her husband had "some influence on why she had that accident" is totally unfounded speculation. I fully believe that this should have been a private matter for the families and should never have gone through the media as it did. The whole situation was lose-lose for everyone. |
| LittQueenie 31.03.2005 17:34 |
I will put a new twist on this for now.....Michael Shiavo, Terri's husband, wouldn't even let her parents in to see her as she laid dying.....what a creep - and I thought my ex was heartless. This really makes me wonder what that guy is hiding.... |
| Mr.Jingles 31.03.2005 17:44 |
The bad part about sentencing some to life in prison instead of receiving the death penalty is that tax payer's money is being spent on keeping this bastard alive and with a certain degree of benefits. I agree that not everybody sentenced to death is guilty, but for those who are 100% clearly guilty of their charges sure deserve to be killed. |
| KillerQueen840 31.03.2005 17:59 |
dragonzflame wrote:Ya, I heard that she had an eating disorder, but her husband could've influenced that. He could've been abusive or something. He may seem like a nice guy, but one should keep his/her mind open to all posibilities. I mean, I know this should be private matters, but there still isn't that much background information out there on her husband. And you're right, I haven't been following it from the beginning, but that doesn't mean I know nothing. If I followed it from the beginning I would've been much too young to understand a single thing (and I wouldn't be surprised if someone threw out the insult, "Oh well you still don't understand a thing.". I am just giving my view, and that is all. I'm not forcing anyone to agree with me. And, I'm not a "judgemental" person. I listen to everyone, whether I agree with them or not. I feel that her husband should've divorced her and let her parents care for her. Since she was brain-dead, or according to some of you "dead," then the husband shouldn't have a problem with that. No matter what her husband did, I still think it's wrong to let her go like that. No one knows what really went on, I shouldn't have come out like I was accusing him, but that does make a lot of sense.<font color="lime">KillerQueen840 wrote: I understand, but dehydration and starvation are one of the most painful ways to die. It is inhumane, even if she is mostly brain dead. Seriously, she has responded to different things such as a balloon passing by. She turned her head, followed it, and everything. Being on a feeding tube is not so much life support. She can breath on her own and do everything else necessary to live. A perfect example is how a baby relies on her mother to be fed. She is still a human and deserves respect even if she cannot (well, I guess now it would be right to say couldn't since she is gone..) do a lot of things. Her husband would not allow her to recieve therapy at all during her early stages. I am still disgusted. He could've just simply divorced her and allowed her parents to take care of her. He has a family of his own now, he should've let the people who cared for her the moment she was born take care of her now. Her husband must've had some infulence on why she had that accident. A young lady who is at a nice weight doesn't typical have a heart attack or stroke or whatever.I can't believe nobody's said this...that's unbelievably judgemental on the husband. I don't know where you heard the part about him not allowing therapy, but if you'd been following the case you would know that she ended up in PVS because she had a heart attack CAUSED BY AN EATING DISORDER. (Ironic really...)I don't say that he was a saint or anything but saying that her husband had "some influence on why she had that accident" is totally unfounded speculation. I fully believe that this should have been a private matter for the families and should never have gone through the media as it did. The whole situation was lose-lose for everyone. |
| INXS 31.03.2005 18:26 |
If you’ve heard about Terri only through the news media, you’ve probably been led to believe that Terri was in a coma… that she was brain dead… that she was a vegetable… that she was on extraordinary life support… or that she wanted to die but her parents stubbornly didn't want to let it happen. Terri was NOT brain dead. She was NOT in a coma. She was NOT in a “persistent vegetative state.” And she was not on ANY life-support system. She merely received food and liquid through a gastro feeding tube because her brain injury prevented her from being able to swallow. In other words, Terri depended on food and water to stay alive—just like you and me! Terri could breathe for herself. She was not on a ventilator. Her vital organs were working fine, which means she was not hooked up to a machine. Furthermore, she was not dying or being “kept alive” by artificial means. She did not have a terminal disease, and she was able to feel pain when she starved to death. How Could Someone Do All This To Another Human Being?!? |
| Michael Allred 31.03.2005 18:27 |
<font color="lime">KillerQueen840 wrote: Ya, I heard that she had an eating disorder, but her husband could've influenced that. He could've been abusive or something. [/quote] I'm rather sickened of this kind of mentality, accusing the husband of all manner of evil things with absolutely NO basis for that opinion. Don't you think that if Michael was abusive, Terri's parents would've been shouting that in front of all those cameras? You don't need an abusive husband to have an eating disorder. How ridiculous. [quote] I feel that her husband should've divorced her and let her parents care for her. Since she was brain-dead, or according to some of you "dead," then the husband shouldn't have a problem with that. No matter what her husband did, I still think it's wrong to let her go like that. No one knows what really went on, I shouldn't have come out like I was accusing him, but that does make a lot of sense.He didn't divorce her because he knew her parents would've continued to play god and kept her "alive." She expressed to him that she did NOt want to "live" that way and he fought very hard to make sure her wishes were fulfilled. He could have given up very easily and just said "screw it, forget what she really wanted." He fought FOR HER. People should not forget that. |
| deleted user 31.03.2005 18:32 |
"I'm rather sickened of this kind of mentality, accusing the husband of all manner of evil things with absolutely NO basis for that opinion. Don't you think that if Michael was abusive, Terri's parents would've been shouting that in front of all those cameras?" Actually, I saw Terri's brother say on camera numerous times that he questioned the possibility of whether Terri's husband was guilty of domestic abuse. |
| LittQueenie 31.03.2005 18:32 |
Oh Oliver, that is horrible *wants to cry* - what you say does make sense - the hospital was also giving her a morphine drip via IV for the pain - pain for what? Obviously she did feel pain while starving to death - this is just horrible.... |
| Michael Allred 31.03.2005 18:34 |
Oliver wrote: If you’ve heard about Terri only through the news media, you’ve probably been led to believe that Terri was in a coma… that she was brain dead… that she was a vegetable… that she was on extraordinary life support… or that she wanted to die but her parents stubbornly didn't want to let it happen. Terri was NOT brain dead. She was NOT in a coma. She was NOT in a “persistent vegetative state.” And she was not on ANY life-support system.[/quote] Then what was she doing then? Playing basketball? Preparing for the Olympics? [quote] She merely received food and liquid through a gastro feeding tube because her brain injury prevented her from being able to swallow. In other words, Terri depended on food and water to stay alive—just like you and me![/quote] NOT just like you and me. Her "food" was a paste like substance. BTW, a feeding tube is indeed life support, she died after it was removed or did you not notice that? [quote] and she was able to feel pain when she starved to death.[/quote] That's not really true. People who starve actually end up feeling euphoria of some sort. [quote] How Could Someone Do All This To Another Human Being?!?My personal opinion is that Terri's parents were selfish. Their daughter was dead for all intents and purpose. They wanted her around so that they would feel better, regardless of what their daughter wanted. Tough, painful? No doubt about it but there comes a point when you need to say good-bye and let your loved one's suffering stop. |
| LittQueenie 31.03.2005 18:37 |
Oh, and I am sure that the "grieving" husband went merrily home to his girlfriend and their 2 children - how ironic, Terri was in fertility counseling and Michael got a settlement from that malpractice suit when that doctor did not detect the chemical inbalance from the eating disorder she was allegedly suffering from. Well, Michael has his kids now doesn't he? |
| Michael Allred 31.03.2005 18:38 |
LittQueenie wrote: Oh Oliver, that is horrible *wants to cry* - what you say does make sense - the hospital was also giving her a morphine drip via IV for the pain - pain for what? Obviously she did feel pain while starving to death - this is just horrible....No, giving morphine is kind of routine in cases like this. They know it's not going to worsen anything so they basically figure "what would it hurt?" When the autopsy is performed and the world knows just how damaged her brain was, I hope people will just realize they were wrong and move on. You shouldn't play god. Terri would've died a long time ago without the feeding tube. If you're so damn religious, then people should die a natural death, not perpetuate this grotesque masquerade of life when all that's there is flesh and bones with no mind or soul. |
| Michael Allred 31.03.2005 18:41 |
LittQueenie wrote: Oh, and I am sure that the "grieving" husband went merrily home to his girlfriend and their 2 children - how ironic, Terri was in fertility counseling and Michael got a settlement from that malpractice suit when that doctor did not detect the chemical inbalance from the eating disorder she was allegedly suffering from. Well, Michael has his kids now doesn't he?What, do you think Michael ENJOYED this? That he was eager for her to die because he hated her and wanted to punish her parents? What kind of twisted mind do you have? and that settlement? First off, most of it has been spent on her medical care and lawyers over 15 years because of this crap. Second, Michael has NO control over that settlement money because the judgment was to Terri NOT Michael. A Judge decided what that money was spent on, not Michael. Try again. |
| INXS 31.03.2005 18:53 |
If anybody really wants to know the real story about Terri please visit this website: link |
| Michael Allred 31.03.2005 19:12 |
Oliver wrote: If anybody really wants to know the real story about Terri please visit this website: linkYou should amend your post to say "If anybody wants to know one side of of the story.." |
| INXS 31.03.2005 20:17 |
Ok Michael Allred, I see you are the typicall guy that always has to have the last word....I wouldn't be surprised if you aren't really Michael Schiavo after what I've read in your posts.... |
| KillerQueen840 31.03.2005 20:18 |
I can't believe you! Do you really think he would be abusive infront of her? Do you really think they would let her parents know? That's not how abuse works. If people could easily tell someone that they were being abused, then abusive situations wouldn't exist. People get threatened so they won't tell anyone. It is secretive. Now I'm starting to go a bit off topic. And yet again, you must have not read what I wrote clearly. I'm not ACCUSING HIM. I am running through the POSIBILITIES. ..I give up. Whatever. |
| Daburcor? 31.03.2005 21:26 |
I hate to sound like a heartless bastard, But I think it's about damn time they let that poor woman die, As she SHOULD have 15 years ago. I know the family is sad, And that death is a terrible tragedy. HOWEVER, In my opinion it is criminal to keep someone in that state 'alive' for so long. Can you imagine knowing everything that is going on around you and not being able to do or say ANYTHING?! And that wasn't even the case with Teri! The parts of her brain that MADE her Teri are gone and have been for some time. It's good that they have finally let her go. And that's all I have to say on the subject. |
| YourValentine 31.03.2005 21:33 |
I understand the parents. I don't question their motives because it's not my business. I understand the husband and I don't question his motives, either. It's obvious that the fate of Terri is discussed worldwide because the family made it a public issue. Still, I think we should not take sides and continue the fight, now that the patient is dead. What surprises me is that none of the American posters seems to be annoyed by the incredible lack of respect of American courts shown by the Bush family in this whole tragedy. We get a court rule we don't like? Let's make a state law to overrule the court. The new law is unconstitutional? Let's make a federal law. I cannot remember a similar breach of the basic rule that the law has to be applied and cannot be changed in favour of one side in a current court case. And it's the President who does not respect this basic rule of law. How many judges ruled in favour of the husband? Are they all cynical murderers who do not protect an innocent life or did they apply the law of their country? How can peace be preserved in a democracy when court rules are not respected any longer and the parties get death threats after a court rule? It's a very severe disturbance of the inner peace of a country when legislative and executive overstep their rights because the President and his family have a certain religious belief and want to force their personal values on other people. |
| Lisser 31.03.2005 21:50 |
There is not peace in this country. |
| StrangeQuark 31.03.2005 22:48 |
LittQueenie wrote: I will put a new twist on this for now.....Michael Shiavo, Terri's husband, wouldn't even let her parents in to see her as she laid dying.....Probably because he was afraid they'd try to give her water or food or something. I don't blame him, really. And thank you Rip Van Winkle for saying what I was thinking; she died ages ago--her body only just now caught up. |
| The Real Wizard 31.03.2005 23:05 |
Rip Van Winkle wrote: It is far better to let murderers rot in jail than to than to stoke the American legal circus and stuff lawyer's pockets.Doesn't it also cost money to keep someone in jail? Michael Allred wrote: You shouldn't play god. Terri would've died a long time ago without the feeding tube. If you're so damn religious, then people should die a natural death, not perpetuate this grotesque masquerade of life when all that's there is flesh and bones with no mind or soul. YourValentine wrote: It's a very severe disturbance of the inner peace of a country when legislative and executive overstep their rights because the President and his family have a certain religious belief and want to force their personal values on other people.Excellent posts. Oliver, you and some other religious people here are obviously far removed from reality if you believe the majority of the content of that terrisfight website. Interesting how there was plenty of religious and emotionally-oriented stuff on the website, but only "convenient" scientific information. She was dead for 15 years. Accept it. Read Thomas' post at the top of page two of this topic. That is the scientific truth. I can't say anything else that hasn't already been said here. Of course it was a tragedy, and it was lose-lose. But 15 years? Far too long. |
| Maz 31.03.2005 23:19 |
YourValentine wrote: What surprises me is that none of the American posters seems to be annoyed by the incredible lack of respect of American courts shown by the Bush family .... How can peace be preserved in a democracy when court rules are not respected any longer and the parties get death threats after a court rule? It's a very severe disturbance of the inner peace of a country when legislative and executive overstep their rights because the President and his family have a certain religious belief and want to force their personal values on other people.A quick analogy: During the Great Depression in the 1930s, Franklin Roosevelt introduced the New Deal, a governmental policy of several programs aimed at helping the American People rise up from poverty and starvation. The problem was that several of the programs overstepped their legal authority and the Supreme Court struck them down as unconstitutional. FDR, frustrated that his programs were being defeated by the Supreme Court, initiated a new plan that would increase the size of the court. With more members, who would all be appointed by FDR, the New Deal would proceed unencumbered since the majority of the Supreme Court would support the president. This was clearly a case of the executive branch overstepping its bounds and showing a lack of respect, even if its intentions were for the benefit of the public. Now, FDR's Court Packing plan was ultimately defeated, but it shares many similarities with Bush's actions during the Schiavo case. American Democracy, as with most democracies, may overreact at times and attempt to change things in a very undemocratic manner. But eventually, we do "right the ship." For instance, the Patriot Act, a very contested and reactionary law passed following Sept 11, is now being reconsidered by Republicans and Democrats alike. Bush, De Lay, and others are simply reacting to their electorate and posturing for the voters. Personally, I think the Schiavo case has been overblown by certain congressmen and the media, and all of this undemocratic rhetoric will come to naught. |
| The Real Wizard 31.03.2005 23:26 |
Another thought: Millions of Americans were aware of one person's death today, but how many of those millions cared equally much for the 4,000 that died of AIDS in Africa today? Such self-righteous people and the media just make me want to vomit. |
| Lester Burnham 31.03.2005 23:34 |
Dan Corson wrote: I hate to sound like a heartless bastard, But I think it's about damn time they let that poor woman die, As she SHOULD have 15 years ago. I know the family is sad, And that death is a terrible tragedy. HOWEVER, In my opinion it is criminal to keep someone in that state 'alive' for so long. Can you imagine knowing everything that is going on around you and not being able to do or say ANYTHING?! And that wasn't even the case with Teri! The parts of her brain that MADE her Teri are gone and have been for some time. It's good that they have finally let her go. And that's all I have to say on the subject.This sums up my feelings exactly. Very well said, Dan. EDIT: and Sir GH, very well put. |
| Michael Allred 31.03.2005 23:59 |
Oliver wrote: Ok Michael Allred, I see you are the typicall guy that always has to have the last word....I wouldn't be surprised if you aren't really Michael Schiavo after what I've read in your posts....A mature and reasonable response. Just what I expected. |
| inu-liger 01.04.2005 00:43 |
I have been following the case, here in Canada, and would like to add my own comments, and replies as well to posts here first.
Penetration_Guru wrote: 1. Does the US media know there is a "rest of the world" to report about?They don't even report about Canada, even though we share like half the fucking north america continent with them, and are literally attached neighbours (by land). If they DO report about us, it's never anything positive that ALL Americans will hear about (you FOX News viewers know damn well what I'm talking about 2. Any country whose President bangs on about the right to life, and the "strong protecting the weak" while simultaneously allowing the mentally infirm to be executed deserves some serious questioning of its laws...Those countries need questioning of HOW they were stupid enough to elect those dumbarses they call "presidents" (no offense to Americans; but you know what I'm also talking about) 3. Withdrawing treatment is allowed in many countries. Killing people isn't (except some rather countries that think it's ok to execute criminals). If you don't like such laws, ask your politicians to change themWhile I myself support the death penalty for the most deserving of criminals (and am somewhat disappointed now that the US Courts have outlawed death penalties for teenagers, which means a lot of criminal murderers will soon be back out on the streets - it doesn't take a genius to figure out why), and am ashamed that Canada no longer has such a law (for many years now), I also at the same time cannot support withdrawing treatments that are beneficial to one's health and life, especially those whose responses to outside settings are very limited (to sum it up in one inconsistent line). ThomasQuinn wrote: A) No, I am not prejudiced against Americans, I just feel extremely let down by nearly all hypocrit governments that have destroyed an otherwise great country. The US is by far not the only country I detest for that. I detest the Israëli government, Saoudi Arabia's corrupt system, Iran's oppressive rule, Indonesia's pittiful excuse for a democracy, Turkey's human rights and political freedom, The Netherlands' (YES, my own country) government which refuses to change it's governing which well over 80% of the population opposes, etc.I myself detest the Islamic countries listed above as well, and that gives me a very bad impression of all Middle Eastern countries under Islamic rule (except the Palestinians, if it counts). I think Islamic Fundamentalists are some of the most fucked up people in the world, IMO. IMO Quebec also has some of the most fucked up people too, from this Canadian's view. It's like those Quebeckers are in their own world, so to speak (though that doesn't say much). As to the Americans, I don't detest the American people themselves. I may call the 50% of the country that re-elected Bush "idiots", or "stupid", but I think that the American gov't members themselves (and their unfair political and "law" system) are all a bunch of idiots who make all Americans seem like they're all the same (and for a country with a "melting pot" culture, that doesn't quite help matters either). Hence the various stereotypes that we're all familiar with worldwide. I think the American gov't is to blame for almost all the problems people have with the United States, but I can say the same thing about Canada too, cos both the former and current Prime Ministers, Jean Chretien and Paul Martin respectively, are both idiots as well. I'm surprised myself that the Liberals, who Paul leads, won the last election after the huge Sponsorship scandal that they're still in hot water for. Paul Martin fucked up a lot of things for us Canadians lately. For one, as far as I know, he did not |
| Saint Jiub 01.04.2005 00:49 |
Mr.Jingles79 wrote: The bad part about sentencing some to life in prison instead of receiving the death penalty is that tax payer's money is being spent on keeping this bastard alive and with a certain degree of benefits. I agree that not everybody sentenced to death is guilty, but for those who are 100% clearly guilty of their charges sure deserve to be killed.Guitar Hero also commented on the cost to house a murderer for life. It is far cheaper to keep a murderer in jail for life, than it is to pay for the appeals and counter appeals, the call to the governer and assorted legal gymnastics. Plus, the courts have a history of convicting the wrong person who is later cleared by DNA testing. |
| inu-liger 01.04.2005 01:14 |
NOTE: I am posting these quotes and my replies/comments AS I READ the posts, so forgive me if I am a bit behind.
Oliver wrote: Terri was NOT brain dead. She was NOT in a coma. She was NOT in a “persistent vegetative state.” And she was not on ANY life-support system. She merely received food and liquid through a gastro feeding tube because her brain injury prevented her from being able to swallow. In other words, Terri depended on food and water to stay alive—just like you and me! Terri could breathe for herself. She was not on a ventilator. Her vital organs were working fine, which means she was not hooked up to a machine. Furthermore, she was not dying or being “kept alive” by artificial means. She did not have a terminal disease, and she was able to feel pain when she starved to death. How Could Someone Do All This To Another Human Being?!?I knew those things too, and that's partly because of our free press here in Canada. The Americans' "press" media on the other hand only gives the Americans what the press (or powers of influence) wants them to believe. I knew that Terri wasn't completely "vegetative", and that she was able to laugh, and respond to things (but not in a direct verbal way at the same time, so to speak), and apparently she even tried to make speech. I don't personally believe for one second that she was 100% non-respondant to outside happenings. She may have never been able to give a direct sign that she was completely aware of the happenings around her, but at the same time she certainly didn't ignore them, if you can understand what I am saying. Michael Allred wrote: My personal opinion is that Terri's parents were selfish. Their daughter was dead for all intents and purpose. They wanted her around so that they would feel better, regardless of what their daughter wanted.I don't think they were being selfish, if you ask me. I think the husband is to blame for the whole situation. It's true that he could have at least tried to divorce her, but there may be a possibility something in the American's much-flawed law system prevents people from divorcing their brain-damaged significant others, because they can't get a direct approval from the brain-damaged or disabled individual in question. That's what I think; correct me if I am wrong on this. I know I certainly wouldn't want my wife (if I had one) divorcing me if I were to be put into a persistent vegetative state. I would give her approval to be with someone else of course beforehand IF I were to be in such a situation where I cannot respond to outside happenings (bar the possibility of getting divorced beforehand; THAT would be a different situation). Either way, I'd prefer to be kept alive myself, because I don't believe in euthenasia (csp?) unless it's for people who are actually feeling pain and will not live long but at the same time are having a long time in dying, rather than just dying quickly. I apologize if this may seem insensitive, as I do not like discussing the matters of euthenasia myself. But anyways, I personally believe Terri's husband was just in it for the money of course. And he's going to need it too, cos I personally don't see anyone wanting to hire him for any future jobs, cos every fucking American WILL know who this guy is for quite a while. That's just my opinion, so please don't jump on my back for that one. LittQueenie wrote: Oh, and I am sure that the "grieving" husband went merrily home to his girlfriend and their 2 children - how ironic, Terri was in fertility counseling and Michael got a settlement from that malpractice suit when that doctor did not detect the chemical inbalance from the eating disorder she was allegedly suffering from. Well, Michael has his kids now doesn't he?No comment(s). YourValentine wrot |
| inu-liger 01.04.2005 03:39 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:Really. I've read like 5 reports on her death, and the only thing they mentioned about the staff and the family members is that apparently Terri's brother was asked to leave because of his behaviour, 10 minutes before Terri's unjust death.LittQueenie wrote: I will put a new twist on this for now.....Michael Shiavo, Terri's husband, wouldn't even let her parents in to see her as she laid dying.....what a creep - and I thought my ex was heartless. This really makes me wonder what that guy is hiding....It wasn't her husband who wouldn't let her parents see her. It was the medical staff at the hospital's decision. Terri's husband is a cold-blooded murderer, plain and simple. ADDITIONAL NOTE: To correct myself, it turns out that Mr. Schiavo REFUSED to divorce her, so it seems that he WOULD have been able to divorce her after all. Ah, but NOOOOOOO, the cold-blooded shark just HAD to go for the fucking money, cos HE IS A FUCKING GREEDY BASTARD WHO CARES NOTHING ABOUT THE LIVES OF HIS *FUCKING FAMILY MEMBERS*!!! LET'S ALL BEAT UP HIS CURRENT LOVER SO THAT SHE CAN BE "VEGETATIVE" HERSELF, AND SEE HOW HE DEALS WITH IT!!!!! |
| inu-liger 01.04.2005 04:26 |
How do you know that she did indeed say what her husband claims is her wish in this situation as fact?? There's no concrete proof. It's his word and his word only. It's a shame there was no last will made by Terri before her accident |
| inu-liger 01.04.2005 04:30 |
I wouldn't be surprised if you turned out to be her horrible husband, TQ |
| Lady Cool Cat 01.04.2005 06:46 |
<font color="lime">KillerQueen840 wrote: I can't believe it. Terri Schiavo died, I am totally outraged. I can't believe some people can be so heartless. I really hope her family is doing alright.I feel the same. And you know what? The parents can't got ANYTHING they want!!! The parents want her buried, but the husband wants her to be cremated. And, they'll do asa the husband pleases. |
| Lisser 01.04.2005 09:28 |
Dark, get to bed earlier and maybe you won't make so many impulsive delusional posts. You get more and more manic with each post. I'm not sure how anyone can say in the US the media give us one sided information and in the same breath say how ignorant and one sided Bush is. Our media in the United States is very liberal. Bush is conservative. There is only one national news channel in the States that can be considered somewhat conservative, and that is FOX news. Some people keep saying over and over how flawed the justice system is in the United States...can I have some examples of countries that have ideal justice systems? I'd like to know what works for other countries, not just what doesn't work in the United States. |
| Lisser 01.04.2005 10:09 |
I consider FOX to be somewhat conservative. You haven't been to the United States and seen ultra-conservative groups if you think FOX is more than somewhat conservative Thomas dear. I don't consider Liberals left-winged and what is so wrong with being called left-winged? Conservatives are called right-winged. It is just an analogy. I don't put too much weight in to labels. If I remember correctly...Murdoch is from Austrailia, then spent time living in the UK...ahem blame Austrailia...ahem ahem.. ;) |
| Lisser 01.04.2005 11:10 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:LOL....I can't say I disagree with you!!!Lisser wrote: I consider FOX to be somewhat conservative. You haven't been to the United States and seen ultra-conservative groups if you think FOX is more than somewhat conservative Thomas dear. I don't consider Liberals left-winged and what is so wrong with being called left-winged? Conservatives are called right-winged. It is just an analogy. I don't put too much weight in to labels. If I remember correctly...Murdoch is from Austrailia, then spent time living in the UK...ahem blame Austrailia...ahem ahem.. ;)I know how right-winged groups can be, but that doesn't mean that makes the less extreme groups any less conservative. Secondly, the 'liberals' thing was just a general remark, not aimed at you specifically. It just seems to be the popular opinion that 'liberal' and 'left-winged' are synonymous, which is not true. Nothing is wrong with being left-winged, but I think someone needs to explain that to certain people high up in the hierachy of power. Furthermore, I don't blaim any country for Murdoch. Just his parents. They ought to never have had children ;-) |
| LittQueenie 01.04.2005 11:31 |
you say I have a twisted mind? Come over to where I am and say that to my face, jerk off....I think Michael Shiavo is a cold-hearted piece of crap and that is my opinion. GOT IT? Get over yourself. |
| LittQueenie 01.04.2005 11:33 |
Michael Allred wrote:I AM NOT PLAYING GOD, FREAK. AND don't bring my religion into this - what's your problem??? SHE HAD NO SOUL???? WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THAT? You scare me.....LittQueenie wrote: Oh Oliver, that is horrible *wants to cry* - what you say does make sense - the hospital was also giving her a morphine drip via IV for the pain - pain for what? Obviously she did feel pain while starving to death - this is just horrible....No, giving morphine is kind of routine in cases like this. They know it's not going to worsen anything so they basically figure "what would it hurt?" When the autopsy is performed and the world knows just how damaged her brain was, I hope people will just realize they were wrong and move on. You shouldn't play god. Terri would've died a long time ago without the feeding tube. If you're so damn religious, then people should die a natural death, not perpetuate this grotesque masquerade of life when all that's there is flesh and bones with no mind or soul. |
| LittQueenie 01.04.2005 11:37 |
Michael Allred wrote:I'LL TRY AGAIN, DIRTBAG. You are a real piece of work. Are you sure you are not Michael Shiavo? You are a fool - Michael got $300,000 of that settlement money - get your facts straight. I HAVE A TWISTED MIND - you started this mud-slinging and I DON'T APPRECIATE IT. I am SO not saying Michael enjoyed this, idiot, but he was running off to his new little family every night.LittQueenie wrote: Oh, and I am sure that the "grieving" husband went merrily home to his girlfriend and their 2 children - how ironic, Terri was in fertility counseling and Michael got a settlement from that malpractice suit when that doctor did not detect the chemical inbalance from the eating disorder she was allegedly suffering from. Well, Michael has his kids now doesn't he?What, do you think Michael ENJOYED this? That he was eager for her to die because he hated her and wanted to punish her parents? What kind of twisted mind do you have? and that settlement? First off, most of it has been spent on her medical care and lawyers over 15 years because of this crap. Second, Michael has NO control over that settlement money because the judgment was to Terri NOT Michael. A Judge decided what that money was spent on, not Michael. Try again. |
| LittQueenie 01.04.2005 11:40 |
Lisser wrote: There is not peace in this country.There is not peace anywhere :-) |
| Maz 01.04.2005 12:10 |
You do realize, Caspar, that the US really only has 2 political parties. Unlike other European countries, where one party puts together a coalition of smaller parties, we generally have an either/or government here. It only makes sense that if the conservatives are "right," than the liberals are "left." You make too much out of it. |
| Mr.Jingles 01.04.2005 12:19 |
Lisser wrote: I'm not sure how anyone can say in the US the media give us one sided information and in the same breath say how ignorant and one sided Bush is. Our media in the United States is very liberal. Bush is conservative. There is only one national news channel in the States that can be considered somewhat conservative, and that is FOX news.(Ultra) Conservatives claim that the media in the United States is ultra left wing liberal and that's pure bullcrap. I have to say that they have a tendency to lean more towards liberal side, but they definitely try to keep things as centered as possible (at least when it comes to the other news media networks: MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC), since they also have newscasters, news show hosts, and reporters with more conservative views than liberal. Remember also that most of these networks were showing a very one sided humane, conservative, and patriotic side of the war in Iraq for the first months, and for that period of time the only way Americans were able to witness the TRUE reality of the war in Iraq was through BBC News. FOX News is as ultra conservative as it can possibly get. Keep in mind that the only liberal working for FOX News is Alan Colmes, who happens to be a wimp constantly used as a punching bag. Nice fella, though but a wimp indeed. For the most part FOX News only interview republicans and conservatives, and whenever they invite a liberal they either don't allow them to talk by constantly interrupting them, cutting their mics, telling them to shut up or quite simply editing the whole interview before airing it. Talk about "FAIR AND BALANCED"... Ha! In the end, fuck all news networks! The only news show I can truly rely on is Jon Stewart and The Daily Show. |
| LittQueenie 01.04.2005 12:20 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: LittQueenie: you need to relax a bit, you are getting extremely fanatical to the point of insanity. Cool down a bit, then try again.No I won't cool down when 1 jerkoff on the board decides to take personal potshots at me....is that OK with you? |
| wstüssyb 01.04.2005 12:27 |
Bout time she died. You know what her husband job was? Look it up, people in that prof. talk about these kind of things with thier wife/husband, while the parent/kid bond is strong, a spouse is more likly to know how some one feels about these kind of subjects, he said she didnt want to live in this state, I believe more what he says about this then the parents, I tell my wife that I would never live like this, I never told my parents. I believe this was a personal family afair that the govt and all the protesters should butt the hell out. I feel the parents brought this on, I feel more for the Husband then her and her family, he is the one getting all the flack for trying to do what she wanted. |
| Saint Jiub 01.04.2005 12:29 |
LittQueenie wrote:Lil queenie - you are quite scary. I bet that you are an abortion clinic bomber, a battle hardened IRA member, and a demon that infested Terri's soul all these years.Michael Allred wrote:I AM NOT PLAYING GOD, FREAK. AND don't bring my religion into this - what's your problem??? SHE HAD NO SOUL???? WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THAT? You scare me.....LittQueenie wrote: Oh Oliver, that is horrible *wants to cry* - what you say does make sense - the hospital was also giving her a morphine drip via IV for the pain - pain for what? Obviously she did feel pain while starving to death - this is just horrible....No, giving morphine is kind of routine in cases like this. They know it's not going to worsen anything so they basically figure "what would it hurt?" sorry Casper -I posted before I added my comments. My ridiculous comments are above. When the autopsy is performed and the world knows just how damaged her brain was, I hope people will just realize they were wrong and move on. You shouldn't play god. Terri would've died a long time ago without the feeding tube. If you're so damn religious, then people should die a natural death, not perpetuate this grotesque masquerade of life when all that's there is flesh and bones with no mind or soul. Even after having acused you of all that, I am nearly as warped as you. |
| Mr.Jingles 01.04.2005 12:35 |
As Conan O'Brien would say... KEEP COOL MA' BABIES!! KEEP COOL!! |
| Maz 01.04.2005 12:35 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:Yes, we do have "loads of smaller parties," but for all intents and purposes they mean nothing.Zeni wrote: You do realize, Caspar, that the US really only has 2 political parties. Unlike other European countries, where one party puts together a coalition of smaller parties, we generally have an either/or government here. It only makes sense that if the conservatives are "right," than the liberals are "left." You make too much out of it.That's just the presidential elections. The US has loads of smaller parties, e.g. the Green Party. I believe there are even some towns with socialist mayors. It is extremely rare that anyone but a Democrat or Republican wins any state or federal (ie, the really important ones) election. Only on the civic level, and even then the small towns or counties, do people not worry about Rep/Dem affiliation. |
| LittQueenie 01.04.2005 12:36 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:Two more points and then I am through with you - Number 1, I am not freaking out and Number 2, I am glad this woman's horrible fight is over and she is finally at peace, so how does that make me not agree with the fact that she died? done. over. see ya.LittQueenie wrote:That's not all that's happening; you are freaking out because many people think that it was good that Schiavo died, and you don't agree.<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: LittQueenie: you need to relax a bit, you are getting extremely fanatical to the point of insanity. Cool down a bit, then try again.No I won't cool down when 1 jerkoff on the board decides to take personal potshots at me....is that OK with you? |
| Mr.Jingles 01.04.2005 12:39 |
( Imitates Beavis ) FIGHT!!! FIGHT!!! FIGHT!!! |
| Saint Jiub 01.04.2005 12:54 |
I would had to see when this chick really freaks out. Which abortion clinic does she plan to bomb next? After all this Terri shit, I am rather relieved that I am no longer a practicing Catholic. Talk about brainwashing (for many Catholics). Now we having all this Catholic wailing about the 80 year old Pope being gravely ill and it is quite monotonous. Hello? He's had one foot in the grave for years (although in a much better health than Terri). I'm tired of turning on the newsradio in the morning and being told (in a two minute story) that the pope MIGHT die again today. |
| LittQueenie 01.04.2005 12:55 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:Didn't I say I was through with you? No one on this earth knows when someone's soul is gone, so try again with that one. I am done with you, I am old enough to be your mother, I have shoes older than you, and I will not argue with you anymore.LittQueenie wrote:Can you read? He says that her soul was ALREADY GONE. You see, she has been dead in all but name for 15 years.Michael Allred wrote:I AM NOT PLAYING GOD, FREAK. AND don't bring my religion into this - what's your problem??? SHE HAD NO SOUL???? WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THAT? You scare me.....LittQueenie wrote: Oh Oliver, that is horrible *wants to cry* - what you say does make sense - the hospital was also giving her a morphine drip via IV for the pain - pain for what? Obviously she did feel pain while starving to death - this is just horrible....No, giving morphine is kind of routine in cases like this. They know it's not going to worsen anything so they basically figure "what would it hurt?" When the autopsy is performed and the world knows just how damaged her brain was, I hope people will just realize they were wrong and move on. You shouldn't play god. Terri would've died a long time ago without the feeding tube. If you're so damn religious, then people should die a natural death, not perpetuate this grotesque masquerade of life when all that's there is flesh and bones with no mind or soul. |
| LittQueenie 01.04.2005 12:59 |
Rip Van Winkle wrote: I would had to see when this chick really freaks out. Which abortion clinic does she plan to bomb next? After all this Terri shit, I am rather relieved that I am no longer a practicing Catholic. Talk about brainwashing (for many Catholics). Now we having all this Catholic wailing about the 80 year old Pope being gravely ill and it is quite monotonous. Hello? He's had one foot in the grave for years (although in a much better health than Terri). I'm tired of turning on the newsradio in the morning and being told (in a two minute story) that the pope MIGHT die again today.SORRY RIP - I am not a CHICK, I am NOT a fanatical Catholic and I DON'T bomb abortion clinics. Settle down. I am merely snapping back at a little know-it-all who decides to take this to a personal level. |
| LittQueenie 01.04.2005 13:07 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:LittQueenie wrote:You may be through with me, but I'm not necessarily through with you. So you're far older than me. Big deal. Act your age, don't get carried away like a two-bit religious nut. You are far more intelligent than that, I'm sure. You just won't let this die down, huh? Well good for you, you have some fight in you! :-) I am SO NOT a relegious nut - far from it, my dear.I NEVER had a relegiuos view on this Terri thing - ask Bas Asselbergs how relegious and goody-two shoes I am - NOT!!!!!!! :-) You don't know me, but you probably know OF me - get to know me, you might like me! :-)<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:Didn't I say I was through with you? No one on this earth knows when someone's soul is gone, so try again with that one. I am done with you, I am old enough to be your mother, I have shoes older than you, and I will not argue with you anymore.LittQueenie wrote:Can you read? He says that her soul was ALREADY GONE. You see, she has been dead in all but name for 15 years.Michael Allred wrote:I AM NOT PLAYING GOD, FREAK. AND don't bring my religion into this - what's your problem??? SHE HAD NO SOUL???? WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THAT? You scare me.....LittQueenie wrote: Oh Oliver, that is horrible *wants to cry* - what you say does make sense - the hospital was also giving her a morphine drip via IV for the pain - pain for what? Obviously she did feel pain while starving to death - this is just horrible....No, giving morphine is kind of routine in cases like this. They know it's not going to worsen anything so they basically figure "what would it hurt?" When the autopsy is performed and the world knows just how damaged her brain was, I hope people will just realize they were wrong and move on. You shouldn't play god. Terri would've died a long time ago without the feeding tube. If you're so damn religious, then people should die a natural death, not perpetuate this grotesque masquerade of life when all that's there is flesh and bones with no mind or soul. |
| LittQueenie 01.04.2005 13:08 |
and sorry - I can't spell religious! Haha! :-) |
| LittQueenie 01.04.2005 13:20 |
sounds cool! :-) |
| LittQueenie 01.04.2005 13:25 |
you got it! I'm Liz from Houston, TX...nice to meet ya! :-) |
| LittQueenie 01.04.2005 13:37 |
I am very glad to have a new Dutch friend! :-) |
| Mr.Jingles 01.04.2005 14:07 |
I'm so glad you guys came to good terms. See, regardless of being conservative or liberal, whether you are religious or not it is important that we can all have mutual respect for our views and not start a fight. Besides, the world is way too full of hatred already. |
| LittQueenie 01.04.2005 14:09 |
Thank you Mr.Jingles....you are so correct, this world is so full of hate already! Let's have some fun! :-) |
| Mr.Jingles 01.04.2005 14:20 |
Now everybody sing! "That time will come One day you'll see That we can all be friends". I always thought that line was too sappy, but the message is nice. |
| LittQueenie 01.04.2005 14:39 |
I love it!! We always sing that song at the UK Conventions...so much love among everyone there when that song is playing! Simply amazing :-) |
| Michael Allred 01.04.2005 17:23 |
LittQueenie wrote:I didn't bring your religion into anything, you did. Your belief in some mythical "god" is what is causing you to think in such a delusional manner.Michael Allred wrote:I AM NOT PLAYING GOD, FREAK. AND don't bring my religion into this - what's your problem??? SHE HAD NO SOUL???? WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THAT? You scare me.....LittQueenie wrote: Oh Oliver, that is horrible *wants to cry* - what you say does make sense - the hospital was also giving her a morphine drip via IV for the pain - pain for what? Obviously she did feel pain while starving to death - this is just horrible....No, giving morphine is kind of routine in cases like this. They know it's not going to worsen anything so they basically figure "what would it hurt?" When the autopsy is performed and the world knows just how damaged her brain was, I hope people will just realize they were wrong and move on. You shouldn't play god. Terri would've died a long time ago without the feeding tube. If you're so damn religious, then people should die a natural death, not perpetuate this grotesque masquerade of life when all that's there is flesh and bones with no mind or soul. |
| Michael Allred 01.04.2005 17:24 |
LittQueenie wrote:You're an excitable little cunt aren't you? (See? Name calling can be fun! Thanks for reminding me.)Michael Allred wrote:I'LL TRY AGAIN, DIRTBAG. You are a real piece of work. Are you sure you are not Michael Shiavo? You are a fool - Michael got $300,000 of that settlement money - get your facts straight. I HAVE A TWISTED MIND - you started this mud-slinging and I DON'T APPRECIATE IT. I am SO not saying Michael enjoyed this, idiot, but he was running off to his new little family every night.LittQueenie wrote: Oh, and I am sure that the "grieving" husband went merrily home to his girlfriend and their 2 children - how ironic, Terri was in fertility counseling and Michael got a settlement from that malpractice suit when that doctor did not detect the chemical inbalance from the eating disorder she was allegedly suffering from. Well, Michael has his kids now doesn't he?What, do you think Michael ENJOYED this? That he was eager for her to die because he hated her and wanted to punish her parents? What kind of twisted mind do you have? and that settlement? First off, most of it has been spent on her medical care and lawyers over 15 years because of this crap. Second, Michael has NO control over that settlement money because the judgment was to Terri NOT Michael. A Judge decided what that money was spent on, not Michael. Try again. |
| LittQueenie 01.04.2005 17:46 |
Michael Allred wrote:Look you little 2 inch penis (that would explain your attitude) - you are a true ASSHOLE - FUCK OFFLittQueenie wrote:You're an excitable little cunt aren't you? (See? Name calling can be fun! Thanks for reminding me.)Michael Allred wrote:I'LL TRY AGAIN, DIRTBAG. You are a real piece of work. Are you sure you are not Michael Shiavo? You are a fool - Michael got $300,000 of that settlement money - get your facts straight. I HAVE A TWISTED MIND - you started this mud-slinging and I DON'T APPRECIATE IT. I am SO not saying Michael enjoyed this, idiot, but he was running off to his new little family every night.LittQueenie wrote: Oh, and I am sure that the "grieving" husband went merrily home to his girlfriend and their 2 children - how ironic, Terri was in fertility counseling and Michael got a settlement from that malpractice suit when that doctor did not detect the chemical inbalance from the eating disorder she was allegedly suffering from. Well, Michael has his kids now doesn't he?What, do you think Michael ENJOYED this? That he was eager for her to die because he hated her and wanted to punish her parents? What kind of twisted mind do you have? and that settlement? First off, most of it has been spent on her medical care and lawyers over 15 years because of this crap. Second, Michael has NO control over that settlement money because the judgment was to Terri NOT Michael. A Judge decided what that money was spent on, not Michael. Try again. |
| LittQueenie 01.04.2005 18:25 |
I have a living will now too. This case really points out the need of having one so this tragedy does not befall any other family. |
| Michael Allred 01.04.2005 18:28 |
LittQueenie wrote:hehe, thanks for taking the bait. That was easier than I thought.Michael Allred wrote:Look you little 2 inch penis (that would explain your attitude) - you are a true ASSHOLE - FUCK OFFLittQueenie wrote:You're an excitable little cunt aren't you? (See? Name calling can be fun! Thanks for reminding me.)Michael Allred wrote:I'LL TRY AGAIN, DIRTBAG. You are a real piece of work. Are you sure you are not Michael Shiavo? You are a fool - Michael got $300,000 of that settlement money - get your facts straight. I HAVE A TWISTED MIND - you started this mud-slinging and I DON'T APPRECIATE IT. I am SO not saying Michael enjoyed this, idiot, but he was running off to his new little family every night.LittQueenie wrote: Oh, and I am sure that the "grieving" husband went merrily home to his girlfriend and their 2 children - how ironic, Terri was in fertility counseling and Michael got a settlement from that malpractice suit when that doctor did not detect the chemical inbalance from the eating disorder she was allegedly suffering from. Well, Michael has his kids now doesn't he?What, do you think Michael ENJOYED this? That he was eager for her to die because he hated her and wanted to punish her parents? What kind of twisted mind do you have? and that settlement? First off, most of it has been spent on her medical care and lawyers over 15 years because of this crap. Second, Michael has NO control over that settlement money because the judgment was to Terri NOT Michael. A Judge decided what that money was spent on, not Michael. Try again. |
| LittQueenie 01.04.2005 18:32 |
No problem sweetie.... |
| Michael Allred 01.04.2005 18:36 |
LittQueenie wrote: No problem sweetie....It was good for me (though I doubt you've ever had a man actually say that to you.) |
| LittQueenie 01.04.2005 18:52 |
Michael Allred wrote:OMG - you are really a piece of crap!!!! People are really getting sick and tired of you and your rants against others with differing opinions. Just shut the fuck up and go play with your little bitty penis and leave me alone now - I think you are sincerely twisted and I don't want anything to do with you anymore - PEACE, OUT.LittQueenie wrote: No problem sweetie....It was good for me (though I doubt you've ever had a man actually say that to you.) |
| Megamike The GREAT 01.04.2005 19:07 |
Well, my opinion of this is just that.. MINE.. I do not have to explain my position or anything.. but I will say this.. it is a REAL sad state when parents WASTE the courts time, and even more of a waste that the president would even think of playing his hand in this when it is nothing more than a FAMILY matter... I for one am glad Terri is gone, she is in peace, and I completely agree with Michaels decision to have her brother removed during Terri's final moments.. death is supposed to be a private and solomn event. the Congress and the President showed VERY poor judgment by getting involved, and to allow this is to allow them to butt their nose in EVERY aspect of our lives, this I find is unacceptable. I could go on more about this but I choose not to. |
| INXS 01.04.2005 20:59 |
LittQueenie wrote:Hey LittQueenie this guy sucks!Michael Allred wrote:OMG - you are really a piece of crap!!!! People are really getting sick and tired of you and your rants against others with differing opinions. Just shut the fuck up and go play with your little bitty penis and leave me alone now - I think you are sincerely twisted and I don't want anything to do with you anymore - PEACE, OUT.LittQueenie wrote: No problem sweetie....It was good for me (though I doubt you've ever had a man actually say that to you.) Unfortunently there has to be everything in this life, just like the song says.....We got freaks to the left - we got jerks to the right |
| Michael Allred 01.04.2005 21:59 |
LittQueenie wrote:Why are you obsessed with penis so much? Seek therapy.Michael Allred wrote:OMG - you are really a piece of crap!!!! People are really getting sick and tired of you and your rants against others with differing opinions. Just shut the fuck up and go play with your little bitty penis and leave me alone now - I think you are sincerely twisted and I don't want anything to do with you anymore - PEACE, OUT.LittQueenie wrote: No problem sweetie....It was good for me (though I doubt you've ever had a man actually say that to you.) Actually don't, I'm enjoying fucking with you now. The mentally unstable are especially good for that. |
| Michael Allred 01.04.2005 22:01 |
Oliver wrote:Please sir, can I have s'more? /British accentLittQueenie wrote:Hey LittQueenie this guy sucks! Unfortunently there has to be everything in this life, just like the song says.....We got freaks to the left - we got jerks to the rightMichael Allred wrote:OMG - you are really a piece of crap!!!! People are really getting sick and tired of you and your rants against others with differing opinions. Just shut the fuck up and go play with your little bitty penis and leave me alone now - I think you are sincerely twisted and I don't want anything to do with you anymore - PEACE, OUT.LittQueenie wrote: No problem sweetie....It was good for me (though I doubt you've ever had a man actually say that to you.) |
| MetzgerR 02.04.2005 02:47 |
Okay, so apparently the conversation totally stalled by the time I got here...so instead of posting my thoughts on the Terri situation, can I just ask what on earth is going on here? Aside from the fact that I don't even recognize most of the names here anymore, how on earth does a discussion on a woman's death become the means for a name-calling, mud-slinging contest? Regardless of what exactly you believe concerning this entire thing, can you honestly think you're representing your ideas and thoughts intelligently by resorting to behaviour like this? I know I sound impatient and appalled...but that's mainly because I am. Eight pages, and at least three were full of little else aside from childish bickering and squabbling, with no real discussion taking place at all! Whether you thought Terri Schaivo should have been taken off the feeding tube much earlier, or that she deserved to stay on it for as long as she needed it, all you've proven is that you are insensitive and callous to her death. She was still a person, and entitled to dignity, both in her presence until her passing, and in reference to it. The majority of what I just read can hardly fall under that... Goodness, now I feel like I've just finished scolding my ballet class, but honestly! (I hate having to include a disclaimer with my words, but I most certainly was NOT directing this rant towards people like Lisser, Mr. Jingles, etc. whom I have never seen react with cruelty towards those who disagree with them) Ja ne minna. Judy |
| deleted user 02.04.2005 11:21 |
Great post, MetzgerR. |
| Hitman 03.04.2005 18:10 |
Terri story is a sad episode. My humble opinion is that there's no dignity for humans without the life. So to respect her life it's necessary to let/make her live. i'm surprised (in a bad way) that judges in some way showed they don't share my point of view :| |
| DoctorNine 03.04.2005 20:10 |
<font color=yellowgreen>LiveAidQueen wrote: I just thought it was ridiculous they let her starve and go without water. If they wanted her to die, why couldn't it have been an easier death? It's a little harsh...It's just plain stupid.Yes it is. I also live in the U.S. I have no idea why they starved her. It doesn't matter whether she knew it or not. To me that is deliberate murder, no matter whether she was going to die soon or not. I do, though, understand both sides of the argument. Naturally, you would never want to outlive your own CHILD, would you? But then again, wasn't Michael Schiavo supposed to remain loyal and faithful in SICKNESS AND in HEALTH? I understand why he would want to move on. I really do. And honestly, he couldn't be doing that for insurance money. He already had spent AT LEAST the amount he would receive on the courts and the lawyers. He was already engaged to be married again and he had children by the other woman. He only waited five years. If I were him, I would have waited until Terri died of (somewhat) natural causes. This case will go on even with Terri's tragic demise, so there will be plenty more time to discuss it. R.I.P. Terri Schiavo. Oh yeah and good post, MetzgerR. Sorry if I'm going against it though. I'm not trying to call anybody any names or "fling any mud." I'm just trying to show my opinion. |
| LittQueenie 04.04.2005 10:05 |
Oliver wrote:Thank you Oliver! I appreciate that. :-) Some people have to be right all of the time or enjoy fucking with people - pathetic.LittQueenie wrote:Hey LittQueenie this guy sucks! Unfortunently there has to be everything in this life, just like the song says.....We got freaks to the left - we got jerks to the rightMichael Allred wrote:OMG - you are really a piece of crap!!!! People are really getting sick and tired of you and your rants against others with differing opinions. Just shut the fuck up and go play with your little bitty penis and leave me alone now - I think you are sincerely twisted and I don't want anything to do with you anymore - PEACE, OUT.LittQueenie wrote: No problem sweetie....It was good for me (though I doubt you've ever had a man actually say that to you.) |
| Sonia Doris 04.04.2005 13:48 |
can't you guys just leave her rest in peace? :S |
| MamaQueen 05.04.2005 17:09 |
I agree with you completly, KillerQueen840, especially with what you say on your second post. Those were my thoughts and words exactly a few days ago. I am a nurse and take care of a patient who is in a vegetative state. He's been like that for 17 years. No one comes to visit him, only sometimes his son in law who is a big doctor at Mass. General Hospital. But this patient is not as alert as what I could see in TV from Terri. A couple of moths ago the family decided to stop his tube feedings. All of us nurses were saddened. He is our baby, we bathe him, we feed him, we clean his poop, we turn him every two hours and when he's sick it's a big deal for us. I don't think he is suffering. Well, the family decided to postpone that decision for now. We feel that with his silence he gives us so much more than we give him. There is a peace when we enter his room. I think Terri should have been left to her parents. They are the ones who trully loved her. With her gone now there is just more sadness to go around. |
| The Fairy King 05.04.2005 17:13 |
i hate the press -.- especially the ones reporting on these private things. They should've left her alone. |
| DoctorNine 10.04.2005 15:32 |
<font color=#CC0066>Sonia Doris</font> wrote: can't you guys just leave her rest in peace? :SI suppose you're right. No, wait, I don't suppose. I know. |
| Sonia Doris 11.04.2005 08:05 |
Kaletzibar wrote::D<font color=#CC0066>Sonia Doris</font> wrote: can't you guys just leave her rest in peace? :SI suppose you're right. No, wait, I don't suppose. I know. |
| freddielover 11.04.2005 10:51 |
i feel your pain |
| freddielover 11.04.2005 10:52 |
i feel your pain |