| Future Manager 24.03.2005 16:53 |
link You can see it on QOL too. I think it's a good thing, now you can see this is not the same Queen as before, it's really another band. This will probably feature prominently on the merchandise I guess... |
| deleted user 24.03.2005 17:05 |
its a whole new Queen as it were, the old Queen unforunatly died off in 1991, thats when the new Queen came into play, slowly building upto the tour we have coming up this year! Woo im stoked! |
| Daburcor? 24.03.2005 17:14 |
I'd like to know who designed it. Also, I'd like to see it a bit larger. |
| Save me 24.03.2005 17:15 |
i have to say, i dont like it very much, but if thats want they want to use, then fine |
| Mr Mercury 24.03.2005 17:48 |
Dan Corson wrote: I'd like to know who designed it. Also, I'd like to see it a bit larger.I'd just like to see it... my eyes aint what they used to be only joking..... |
| doremi 24.03.2005 17:51 |
Even if I Loved Paul Rodgers..or any singer, musician who joins Queen...they should leave the logo alone!!!! It's like when Coca Cola changed and "updated" things. Well it sucked. And they went back to good old classic Coca Cola. It's like a prestigious brand name & seal, you know. Some things are in fact, a classic. I have no problem that this is 2005, a New Millenium, what have you,...so get a new singer, whatever...but the Queen logo is a Signature of everything that Queen stands for, of pride, dignity, honor, regal splendor, old...and New. Don't mess with an Original, Classic. And why not change and update the Union Jack while you're at it (sarcasm!) It's oudated, a dinosaur. (extreme sarcasm) |
| hcrvelin 24.03.2005 18:10 |
arlene wrote: Even if I Loved Paul Rodgers..or any singer, musician who joins Queen...they should leave the logo alone!!!!Well, there is a Queen logo which is still Queen logo. This Q+PR logo. So what is the problem? |
| doremi 24.03.2005 18:20 |
hcrvelin wrote:Well, While I am intelligent enough to know there are 2 crests and that this is the one for the current tour...alot of people are going to be awfuly confused and think that this IS the Queen crest.arlene wrote: Even if I Loved Paul Rodgers..or any singer, musician who joins Queen...they should leave the logo alone!!!!Well, there is a Queen logo which is still Queen logo. This Q+PR logo. So what is the problem? There WERE 2 Logos for Coca Cola too, Classic Coke, and "New" Coke, and that's only a stupid soda..and people were buying the wrong thing, getting confused, etc. What's going to happen here? They should keep the original crest..but put the WORDS Queen+PR next to it, or put the NEW crest next to it stating Tour 2005. When The Allman Brothers Band reunited in 1989, with alot of NEW members, in their case permanent, to replace Duane Allman & Berry Oakley, they KEPT the ORIGINAL logo, but for each year's tour, as the lineup has changed, repeatedly throught the years, they change the year and sometimes put a Separate Tour logo--Next To the Original Logo. I have most of the tour shirts and posters from 1989-present. I like that idea...Brian & Roger should put the Original Crest logo on everything...with something like a logo of 2005 Tour Queen+PR next to it. |
| hcrvelin 24.03.2005 18:30 |
arlene wrote: Well, While I am intelligent enough to know there are 2 crests and that this is the one for the current tour...alot of people are going to be awfuly confused and think that this IS the Queen crest.Well, for one thing fans do know what the original crest of Queen is/was. For those who do not know they probably even don't care how the crest did look like and probably don't pay attention to those details. Remember that crest was a symbol of 4 Queen memebrs and their zodiac signs. So, changing it now from that point of view makes sense. The change was probably initiated by band members or someone from their marketing. |
| jericho05 24.03.2005 18:34 |
I like the logo. The only problem is the "Queen" part. That said I love this "new" band. |
| tomnever 24.03.2005 18:40 |
I love it. Strange stuff but VERY nicely designed. I wonder what's the meaning of it. Isn't it the phoenix reborn from the ashes, rising and reigning again ? |
| doremi 24.03.2005 19:06 |
tomnever wrote: I love it. Strange stuff but VERY nicely designed. I wonder what's the meaning of it. Isn't it the phoenix reborn from the ashes, rising and reigning again ?But wasn't the Phoenix...Freddie's original idea that's on the Original Crest that Freddie designed! |
| hcrvelin 24.03.2005 19:49 |
arlene wrote: But wasn't the Phoenix...Freddie's original idea that's on the Original Crest that Freddie designed!Freddie did complete design of the crest - using the Zodiac signs for the four members of the band: The crest consisted of two lions (Leos for Roger and John Deacon), holding up a Q around a crown, a crab on top (Cancer for Brian May), and two fairies (Virgo for himself). There is a bird on top of that all - Phoenix. However, due to the meaning of the Phoenix itself you can't look at that as exclusive to the first logo. As FM said in one interview "I got my diploma from Baling College of Art, in graphics and illustration. You know, I designed the Queen crest. I simply combined all the creatures that represent our star signs-and I don't even believe in astrology.". To understand meaning of Phoenix one must know that this was designed before they did a first album. Idea was that 4 zodiac creatures around Q are now coming to get you with their music (as they all have been involved in music before Queen and this time they would arise - as Phoenix did). After that sign has been applied for ANATO and ADATR album sleeves. Phoenix in 2005 means come back of certain Queen members and their sound - it is symbolic figure as it was 34 years ago. |
| doremi 24.03.2005 19:56 |
hcrvelin wrote:You know what both Freddie would say, and I say...Bullocks!!!! Freddie designed it nonetheless. It's his artwork. His crest. Queen+PR..go design your OWN ORIGINAL crest, and stop plagerising Freddie's artwork because you are not original enough to design your own crest!arlene wrote: But wasn't the Phoenix...Freddie's original idea that's on the Original Crest that Freddie designed!Freddie did complete design of the crest - using the Zodiac signs for the four members of the band: The crest consisted of two lions (Leos for Roger and John Deacon), holding up a Q around a crown, a crab on top (Cancer for Brian May), and two fairies (Virgo for himself). There is a bird on top of that all - Phoenix. However, due to the meaning of the Phoenix itself you can't look at that as exclusive to the first logo. As FM said in one interview "I got my diploma from Baling College of Art, in graphics and illustration. You know, I designed the Queen crest. I simply combined all the creatures that represent our star signs-and I don't even believe in astrology.". To understand meaning of Phoenix one must know that this was designed before they did a first album. Idea was that 4 zodiac creatures around Q are now coming to get you with their music (as they all have been involved in music before Queen and this time they would arise - as Phoenix did). After that sign has been applied for ANATO and ADATR album sleeves. Phoenix in 2005 means come back of certain Queen members and their sound - it is symbolic figure as it was 34 years ago. |
| hcrvelin 24.03.2005 20:19 |
arlene wrote: You know what both Freddie would say, and I say...Bullocks!!!! Freddie designed it nonetheless. It's his artwork. His crest. Queen+PR..go design your OWN ORIGINAL crest, and stop plagerising Freddie's artwork because you are not original enough to design your own crest!You can speak to dead people? That explains few things :) But really, where do you see any plagerising? It was not his creast but Queen crest. Q+PR just did a new crest - that's what first post is about :) If you believe that Phoenix is something that only belongs to Freddie - you are wrong. Phoenix is a symbol and crest itself should really be seen without Phoenix. If you check all bio documents and interviews in the past you will get that picture without any problems. |
| doremi 24.03.2005 20:34 |
hcrvelin wrote:I never said I "speak to dead people..that would be the child actor Haley Osmet in the film "The Sixth Sense"! I meant that IF Freddie were here, he would say Bullocks.arlene wrote: You know what both Freddie would say, and I say...Bullocks!!!! Freddie designed it nonetheless. It's his artwork. His crest. Queen+PR..go design your OWN ORIGINAL crest, and stop plagerising Freddie's artwork because you are not original enough to design your own crest!You can speak to dead people? That explains few things :) But really, where do you see any plagerising? It was not his creast but Queen crest. Q+PR just did a new crest - that's what first post is about :) If you believe that Phoenix is something that only belongs to Freddie - you are wrong. Phoenix is a symbol and crest itself should really be seen without Phoenix. If you check all bio documents and interviews in the past you will get that picture without any problems. Just so you know here in Maryland a man designed a crest for The Baltimore Ravens Football Team when the team 1st came to Maryland and they were taking open solicitations for artwork for their crest. The artist/man submitted a raven with a football helmet. The Ravens management sent it back to him with a rejection letter stating they didn't like it and no thanks. Few months later, when The Ravens "Debuted" their logo that they said their own "In house artist" had designed, it looked suspiciously familiar. Now don't get me wrong. The raven is a common bird and so it would seem a common everyday idea. Well a court here didn't think so. The artist who had originally designed the crest that was "rejected" sued The Baltimore Ravens for plagerism and won a multi-million dollar lawsuit, plus copyright infringement. So, I hope if there are any lawyers in heaven, (oh yeah, I forgot all lawyers go to HELL!!!), acting on Freddie's behalf, that they send a spirit to haunt whoever designed the Queen+PR crest. |
| Slightly Dazed 24.03.2005 20:40 |
Arlene, no offence but do you ever stop moaning? |
| doremi 24.03.2005 20:43 |
Yes, when I listen to Original Queen music by the Original Band (which can be NEW mind you, just the Original members), as well as music by many of my other favorite music artists who still hold their name and legacy with pride and dignity, even if they move forward into the future. And going to fantastic concerts, watching great films, TV, reading great books, enjoying the great outdoors, sunshine, vacations, shall I go on. |
| hcrvelin 24.03.2005 20:51 |
arlene wrote: So, I hope if there are any lawyers in heaven, (oh yeah, Iforgot all lawyers go to HELL!!!), acting on Freddie's behalf, they send a spirit to haunt whoever designed the Queen+PR crest.I hope that one day you will realize that crest is just a marketing thing - as it was then - and as such not worth discussion. The only thing that matters is music. Queen is just a drop in the sea of the really good music. But it's huge drop. Crest? Who gives fuck? It's a fucking logo with bird which has crown (and it looks like Phoenix which is fine) and in front it says Queen+PR. It has nothing to do with old crest. I can understand there would be always people who will find something wrong with Queen+PR whatever they do. If they didn't change the logo someone would bitch about that. Now they changed it and someone won't like it. I believe we can talk if we like it or not (to me old one looks much better), but rationally there are no similarities between two. This is just a tour logo and nothing else. Tour logos changes from year to year. You are either too serious about this whole thing or playing fun with us :) Anyway, time to go to my bed. Good night. |
| picky 24.03.2005 22:34 |
I love the crest that Freddie did.This crest shows that the band changed ... a little bit sad...for me... |
| FairyKing 25.03.2005 04:31 |
first of all.... it's a lovely crest, but JUST a crest! are we going to the concerts to see a crest? do we buy records for the sleeve artwork or the cover design? do we buy books for their covers? come on guys, freddie did it - ok, it was brilliant and i love it. but HE DID IT FOR QUEEN, so brian and roger HAVE any right to keep it for the present tour, but they thought this tour meant something new and slight different so they decided to have a new one! This is not important, but it's a right decision to me. no plagiarism, freddie did it for queen... ...and there are 2 members of queen here. freddie surely didn't mind, maybe he'd just laugh on us..we're givin' it too much meaning. and freddie didn't invent the phoenix...i mean the idea, the concept. and just look the Marlboro logo: an oval in the centre...a crown on it and 2 animals on the left and right...does anything clicks? there are a lotta logos and crests like that and freddie was not that original, though he made what i consider the coolest, the best crest i ever saw. but it's just a crest.... |
| RohemianBapsody 25.03.2005 06:42 |
I'm with you FairyKing. I am going to see Q+PR in concert, not to stare at a crest for 1-1/2 hours. |
| Sharon G. 25.03.2005 06:52 |
Thank you Arlene for speaking the truth about the crest. To those who believe othewise: Ignorance is bliss!!!!!! Queen 1991 Freddie 1991 RIP - We love love! |
| FairyKing 25.03.2005 07:09 |
i PITY YOU! "The truth"? you think you are some kinda messiah? who can tell that's the TRUTH? so freddie copied marlboro logo, that's my truth.................... Frà |
| cream 25.03.2005 07:40 |
Maybe Freddie designed it in 1991 after suggesting they go on tour with Paul Rodgers in 2005 ;) |
| FairyKing 25.03.2005 07:51 |
Latemix wrote: Maybe Freddie designed it in 1991 after suggesting they go on tour with Paul Rodgers in 2005 ;)This is funny and cool, lol Maybe freddie designed it in 1970 adding a phoenix because he thought that 'queen' could die one day so that someone would be allowed later to remake that symbol later, using the same phoenix... |
| Hitman 25.03.2005 09:13 |
bleah the background colour...but it's a nice logo after all...a larger picture please! |
| Sharon G. 25.03.2005 09:49 |
FairyKing proves my point: IGNORANCE IS BLISS !!!!!!!!! Queen RIP Freddie RIP We love you. |
| deleted user 25.03.2005 10:06 |
"I never said I "speak to dead people..that would be the child actor Haley Osmet in the film "The Sixth Sense"! I meant that IF Freddie were here, he would say Bullocks." - So arlene, did you ever meet Freddie? Did you ever have a conversation with Freddie? Did you ever come within five feet of Freddie? No? So how is it you know how he would feel about this situation? Oh you really have absolutely no clue what he would think? Okay, gotcha. The crest is brand new. I doubt Freddie would have sued his friends/fellow band members for creating a crest that is, at best, similar to his design. As ever, some of you Queen fans *cough* arlene and sharon G. *cough* have nothing better to do but be negative about something that should be positive. I guess we don't like progression in the Queen world, cos a lot of you fans only want to stay in the past and to deem Queen "dead." Sorry, people, Queen is very much alive and no matter how much reminding that you do that Freddie and Queen are dead, Queen and Paul are going to carry on anyway. And Sharon G.: why are you accusing people of being ignorant for wanting to see Queen live? I should think you could come up with a better snide comment than that. But you know, everyone's retort back to you will be along these lines: I'm going to enjoy seeing Queen live and you are not, because Queen is dead. That's what you say anyway. |
| Lord Blackadder 25.03.2005 10:11 |
I don't like the bird on the new one. Or the purple. Have it blue I say. And make it an eagle or something. |
| Sharon G. 25.03.2005 10:20 |
Yes. Queen died in Nov. 1991 with the death of our beloved Freddie.John Deacon knows that. Go and have a great time seeing 1/2 Queen. I'll stay home and watch the real Queen on DVD. Once again: Ignorance is bliss!!!!!! Queen RIP Freddie RIP We love and miss you. |
| deleted user 25.03.2005 10:24 |
Well, I'd like to say you'll be missed, but I wouldn't want to be ignorant in saying that. |
| Lester Burnham 25.03.2005 10:51 |
<font color=purple>Miss James wrote: Well, I'd like to say you'll be missed, but I wouldn't want to be ignorant in saying that.I think you've now become my favorite poster, Miss James. |
| greaserkat 25.03.2005 11:34 |
I have the Queen Crest tattooed on my left arm, the color as in the small booklet that came with the Made in Heaven LP. Thats the original Queen crest, just because Brian and Roger are still calling themselves Queen doesnt mean that Im going to go get a tattoo of the new crest because with the phoenix or not on the new crest, the idea was freddie's. If he hadnt put the phoenix on the original crest, I dont think that the new "Queen + PR" crest would even have a phoenix to begin with. |
| deleted user 25.03.2005 11:48 |
"I think you've now become my favorite poster, Miss James." - Certainly second to iGSM, however. |
| Lester Burnham 25.03.2005 12:15 |
<font color=purple>Miss James wrote: "I think you've now become my favorite poster, Miss James." - Certainly second to iGSM, however.Nah, I've never seen iGSM say anything intelligent or meaningful - much like me, of course, except he's Australian. He is a blast to mess around with though, and is a great foil to my insanity. You're more like the voice of reason, and I find myself agreeing more and more with what you say. And for that, you have my deepest respect. |
| FairyKing 25.03.2005 13:29 |
Sharon G. wrote: FairyKing proves my point: IGNORANCE IS BLISS !!!!!!!!! Queen RIP Freddie RIP We love you.I may say something clever to reply, but i think you coudln't understand. You can only say to ppl their ignorant and keep sayin' that. Alea iacta est. |
| YourValentine 25.03.2005 14:52 |
First of all, Freddie did not invent the Queen logo out of the blue, it's a parody of the Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom as you can see here link I never heard that the "other Queen" ever complained about plagiarism of her crest, it takes a couple of deranged "Queen fans" to get all wound up about alleged theft of Freddie's artistic property. |
| FairyKing 25.03.2005 14:58 |
Thank you, 'Your Valentine'. You prove there are still interest and clever ppl to talk with. :-) |
| *goodco* 25.03.2005 15:06 |
whether it matters, but the man who won the lawsuit against the Baltimore Ravens in regards to the logo copyright, received no monetary damages, not millions as someone erroneously posted earlier. so much for research maybe Mahler said they did. He's a good one to agree with. Some people do have a lot of relatives in various places around the globe. |
| wstüssyb 25.03.2005 15:45 |
Just a fucking logo, It's not gonna change the music. |
| doremi 25.03.2005 15:49 |
It's the principle... that matters, that this was Freddie's original idea, Freddie's artwork, Freddie's design, Freddie's creation. Can't the Queen+Paul Rodgers market people design a crest that is totally original on their own...that's all I'm saying. Show some originality, some creativity...and some integrity. |
| FairyKing 25.03.2005 15:58 |
arlene wrote: It's the principle... that matters, that this was Freddie's original idea, Freddie's artwork, Freddie's design, Freddie's creation. Can't the Queen+Paul Rodgers market people design a crest that is totally original on their own...that's all I'm saying. Show some originality, some creativity...and some integrity.You're even more BLIND than i thought... Freddie DIDN'T INVENT the concept of Phoenix and he didn't even invent the star signs....he just made a drawing putting those (others') things together. Integrity? Freddie was their mate. Not another artist (that's why talking about plagiarism is just about ridiculous). Originality? read above.. Creativity? read above and stop acting like everything Freddie did was great, brilliant, original and so so so so on.... |
| deleted user 25.03.2005 16:00 |
"Nah, I've never seen iGSM say anything intelligent or meaningful - much like me, of course, except he's Australian. He is a blast to mess around with though, and is a great foil to my insanity. You're more like the voice of reason, and I find myself agreeing more and more with what you say. And for that, you have my deepest respect." - Well, you have my respect too. I'm still confused by the sidekick pickle thing and because I am the voice of reason, I now deem you "Uma." "It's the principle... that matters, that this was Freddie's original idea, Freddie's artwork, Freddie's design, Freddie's creation. Can't the Queen+Paul Rodgers market people design a crest that is totally original on their own...that's all I'm saying." - There really should be no question about principles here. It's not the same crest, so where are Brian and Roger stealing? Using this type of crest is projecting their name, Queen, quite well, because it is a "royal" crest. But you seem to want Queen to not be Queen at all anymore, so my saying any of this is most likely completely useless. |
| onevsion 25.03.2005 17:53 |
mmmmm i í don't really like the new logo. Purple with red white and black? Not my fav. color combo.Ocker yellow and bordeaux red would be nice! |
| gr8kingrat 25.03.2005 19:15 |
i swear..i think some of you people just like to bitch about everything. get a grip! |
| Daburcor? 25.03.2005 19:18 |
<font color=purple>Miss James wrote: There really should be no question about principles here. It's not the same crest, so where are Brian and Roger stealing? Using this type of crest is projecting their name, Queen, quite well, because it is a "royal" crest.EXACTLY! Well said. <font color=purple>Miss James wrote: But you seem to want Queen to not be Queen at all anymore, so my saying any of this is most likely completely useless.BUT... At least you tried. I think this crest looks pretty spiffy! I can't wait to see it larger! By the way, Has there been any word on who designed it? |
| PhoenixRising 25.03.2005 23:32 |
The one thing that struck me about this redesigned tour logo at this late hour is the symbolic difference in size between the large word QUEEN and very small words 'Paul Rodgers.' Indicative of an emphatic power play won by our boys. Brian wanted the phoenix. Paul wanted a 'HUMMINGbird' because he can't remember the lyrics... |
| The Stealer 25.03.2005 23:56 |
The logo is Ok..It's just a logo. Hat's off Miss James!! Well done. |
| RohemianBapsody 26.03.2005 04:59 |
Sharon G. wrote: Yes. Queen died in Nov. 1991 with the death of our beloved Freddie.John Deacon knows that. Go and have a great time seeing 1/2 Queen. I'll stay home and watch the real Queen on DVD. Once again: Ignorance is bliss!!!!!! Queen RIP Freddie RIP We love and miss you.Hope you enjoy yourself. Unfortunately thats all you will be doing is watching - not particpating. For those of us that want to hear LIVE Queen music played by 1/2 the band WE ARE GOING TO BE THERE. |
| Harpo_the_taylorette 26.03.2005 05:16 |
I'm sorry, but I doubt any of you know what Freddie's real opinion would be. He probably would've liked the idea of his old band mates still using his art work years later. I would be quite chuffed. |
| 7Innuendo7 26.03.2005 07:55 |
Freddie's Queen logo makes me think Ferrari, the new logo seems Trans Am-ish. Which is not bad at all if you soup up the engine and give it a targa roof and take out the 8-track and put in a cd player. And spinner rims and custom leather interior, y'all know what I mean, just please pimp this ride Brian Roger Paul! |
| Freddie-B 26.03.2005 09:59 |
I think it's good that they've changed it, because it shows that they're not kidding themselves into thinking they're Queen. After all, the original logo had symbols for all 4 members, and now two of them aren't there so of course it's not Queen and I think it's nice that they've kept the idea of the logo but changed it accordingly. I'm not really sure if I support the whole thing so far, but this is a good step to converting me! |
| FairyKing 26.03.2005 10:54 |
Harpo_the_taylorette wrote: I'm sorry, but I doubt any of you know what Freddie's real opinion would be. He probably would've liked the idea of his old band mates still using his art work years later. I would be quite chuffed.So to you we don't know what Freddie's real opinion would be.... DO YOU, dear Mr-Know-Freddie-So-Well...? You really make me laugh and anyway, i got a news for you...Freddies' dead and cannot decide/talk, so this is pure shit and it doesn't matter. |
