the dude 1366 19.03.2005 17:12 |
Ok so all this hype. I've been waiting for years to finally see this happen and this is what we get? 4 songs with Paul Rodgers forgetting the words. I knew it was not gonna be Freddie but I am surprisingly quite disappointed. He even ruined the easy chorus to Tie your Mother Down! Is it too late to get Tony vincent or Robbie Williams????? Either that or memorize the words!!!! |
seanyboy 19.03.2005 17:14 |
i knew that there would be mess ups at this gig. they have only had 1 month to reherse. i think brian and rodger will have words with him to refresh his mind. remember he has 1 month to learn the words to around 30/40 queen songs |
miffomojen 19.03.2005 17:18 |
I hope that Paul Rodgers proves me wrong on the upcoming tour, but... he seems to be a wee bit overrated. Just my 2 cents. |
Flo Joe 19.03.2005 17:20 |
Hope the will be in better shape when they play in Hamburg!! |
Penetration_Guru 19.03.2005 17:29 |
Freddie wasn't always word perfect. Beware of unrealistic expectations. |
Richard Orchard 20.03.2005 03:33 |
Not the forgetting words that is the problem - it is the crap delivery. |
inu-liger 20.03.2005 03:35 |
I thought what I heard of the setlist was fine. It was only the lyrical muck-ups that I had a problem with (that, and the constant droning hum on the broadcast) |
djaef 20.03.2005 03:40 |
yeah, the webcast was crap. Totally disappointing to reduce the main act from 15 songs to 4 when they had webcast the entire concert up to that point. What were they thinking? But I think Rodgers was cool. It's a pity about the lyrics, but my guess is that he was really nervous. I thought his delivery was fine. |
j0ck3 20.03.2005 04:07 |
Freddie also forgot lyrics. Just listen to the fast version of WWRY at Stockholm '78. "Buddy you're a big man livin' in the street" First time they played since Hall Of Fame, they need more practice |
MissyMercury 20.03.2005 14:27 |
Is it too late to get Tony vincent or Robbie Williams????? Either that or memorize the words!!!! Oh What??!! Robbie??!! Jeez Noooo |
jericho05 20.03.2005 14:45 |
Richard Orchard wrote: Not the forgetting words that is the problem - it is the crap delivery.I disagree. I personally thought he delivered the lines just fine. I am more interested than ever to see how this will turn out. |
maxpower 20.03.2005 15:15 |
The delivey on tie your mother down - was out - forgetting the lyrics dosent help - i just hope Paul listens to how Freddie sang it live & to help his projection of the song - its a well known fact - Freddie changed "grousin & snipin" to "shouting & fighting going on" - because it flows far better when you sing it - when you go back to the chrous - because there's no silence Anyway that aside lets hope Paul works at it & they only way is by doing the gigs Lets remember Paul, is stepping into the shoes - of the greatest frontman, live singer in rock'n'roll history - it was never gonna be easy |
Serry... 20.03.2005 18:46 |
I can hardly imagine Freddie who's reading lyrics from displays and forget them just after it. If Paul's too much nervous, if he forgets lyrics - how he could be a rock-star and frontman for so many years?! |
FriedChicken 20.03.2005 18:55 |
He sang his own songs for 30 years, now he has to learn 30 songs in less than 1 month time. I think Paul did a great job |
Serry... 20.03.2005 19:13 |
FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: He sang his own songs for 30 years, now he has to learn 30 songs in less than 1 month time.That's his job actually. |
Fenderek 21.03.2005 03:50 |
Freddie forgot lyrics on many occasions. Making a fus about it is just another proof that many Queen fans are unfortunately thick. Really thick. |
jasen101 21.03.2005 04:19 |
i don't think they're too happy with that performance...but give them time...by brixton i hope everything will be glued together. |
fatbottomed person 21.03.2005 07:50 |
i thought it sounded good, liked it an am excited about the tour. so they made some mistakes..at least they know now and can work on those bits before the tour proper. |
The Stealer 21.03.2005 07:54 |
Let's remember here Paul is not stepping into Freddies shoes, replacing Fred, etc. Brian, Roger, and Paul have all said that. If you expect Paul to replicate Fred's delivery...well you are going to be disappointed. Paul has said, as well as Brian many times that he is going to deliver/sing the songs in his own way and be himself. That might be why Brian and Roger wanted to do this tour and like Paul because they WANT a thier music delivered in a slightly different way and they want to take it to a different level. They don't want to be a Queen tribute band in full costumes, light shows, etc. For me- I don't want to see a Queen tribute band, I want to see the boys and hear some great music. Again I have said this before-have an open mind. We may not get the opportunity ever again to see Brian and Roger play together in a full show after this tour...and quite frankly it took a lot of guts on Paul's part to take this project on!! He needs our support and respect, not criticism. |
We Are The Champions 21.03.2005 08:24 |
Richard Orchard wrote: Not the forgetting words that is the problem - it is the crap delivery.I agree. Forgetting the words and skipping lines is all part and parcel of live shows..that's the difference between recording and touring. The biggest problem with this tour is the delivery and interpretation of the songs by Paul. This tour expectations are way too high in my opinion...people who are going to more that one show may feel that after being disappointed at their first show may decide to sell their remaining tickets. I know I'd feel that way!! A review of the Fancourt show says that he thought there was friction between Paul & Brian and that he was more comfortable singing Bad Company songs. Apparantly Roger looked knackered after 3 songs but managed to finish the 80 minute set!! Too their credit, they're finding their feet and things will get better but they only have a week to do it! If reviews and personal opinions about this tour are bad this could end up as being a gamble which backfired spectacularly well. Ask yourself this question after Brixton...after tonight's performance would you gladly go and see them again or are you more than happy to have seen them on this overhyped tour!! I've always had an open mind about this tour and have told people to expect good rock'n'roll. That goes without question but the real problem is with fans conception of what they expect and how they deliver on the night. I'm just content to see one show on this tour. As they say the only opinion that matters is your individual one so you have to attend to really form an opinion. Paul is in a no win situation I guess, being compared to Freddie by some people and forgetting lines and changing arrangements of songs to suit his style. My final judgement of this tour will remain "wait and see how it develops". One final point, Queen have done what in their minds is a cadinal sin....the use of backing tapes(with the exception of Bo Rhap!).They apparently used these for Fat Bottomed Girls and Radio Ga Ga. What the **** is going on here!! I'm looking forward to reading reviews after Brixton. Should be interesting to say the least!! |
Serry... 21.03.2005 09:49 |
Fenderek wrote: Freddie forgot lyrics on many occasions. Making a fus about it is just another proof that many Queen fans are unfortunately thick. Really thick.Freddie played with Queen over 700 concerts and forgot lyrics on some of them, Paul played just one and forgot either. Freddie performed over 25 tracks at each show and forgot just a couple of the words. And he didn't read them from displays. That's the difference. That's not a perfectionsts' way. There's no problem that Paul forgot them and I'm not making fuss about this. Good luck to Paul and Brian, Roger on their tour. PS: Only one proof of that Queen fans are thick - is their habit to blame others' opinions. |
Fenderek 21.03.2005 10:55 |
"Freddie played with Queen over 700 concerts and forgot lyrics on some of them, Paul played just one and forgot either. Freddie performed over 25 tracks at each show and forgot just a couple of the words. And he didn't read them from displays. That's the difference. " The difference is- he bloody wrote them!!! The bottom line- comparison like that you can do when Paul sings 700 times- otherwise you're comapring 700 gigs and 20 years of career to ONE GIG. And taht would be just laughable... Anyway- I'm waiting till Brixton. If he fucks up there- I'll be the first to criticise. Judging everything after just FIRST gig is IMO ridiculous. I'm not happy after that one either- especially the fact they used tapes, but... 46664 was crappy the first time, was crappy now. Brixton should be entirely different story. we shall see. "There's no problem that Paul forgot them and I'm not making fuss about this. Good luck to Paul and Brian, Roger on their tour. " And that's exactly my point- it can be an issue if he keeps doing that throughout the entire tour... I didn't like what I've seen from fancourt, BUT- there's still a strong chance of everything being OK... If not- well, never again... :) |
deleted user 21.03.2005 11:17 |
Some people are a bit quick to critise aren't they?! |
deleted user 21.03.2005 11:30 |
Very quick to critisize. But what would the Queen fandom be without excessive complaining? |
Knute 21.03.2005 17:43 |
Listen, If you are critical to the point where forgotten lyrics AND/OR a different interpretation of the vocal phrasing displeases you, than I can guarantee you will walk out of the show feeling let down. The only way you will enjoy the show is to have a completely open mind about hearing a fresh take on material you are very familiar with. You have to be willing to embrace spontaneity and improvisiation. That is one thing I really like about Paul. Not only does he not cop Freddie, he doesn't even cop himself. Listen to the differences in his delivery between the Hall of Fame gig and the 46664 gig with regards to WWRY/WATC. Paul has always been about feeling the moment and going with that as opposed to perfect renditions of recorded music. That is a long standing approach of blues/soul music and that's the background Paul comes from. Brian and Roger fully realize this and that's how they want their songs delievered. It's all about that fantastic moment where everything clicks in a spontanieous magical way. Sometimes you have to drudge thru crap to get there, but when it clicks, it really clicks and you can only get there by taking some risks. |
deleted user 21.03.2005 19:23 |
Good post, Knute. |
lyricalassasin77 21.03.2005 19:24 |
They all fell flat on there ass..........deal with it.......There's no fuckin way they should have taken this tour on and I hope they fail.......I never thought I would say that about them but they have no business this late in life tryin to resurrect something that has long been dead.....I like how you people keep giving your OPINION on what a Queen fan is and what makes a Queen fan loyal and disloyal....I guess you all have written the book on that huh?? Anyways, just because a person wants to open there eyes and not be blind to the fact that they sucked then you are the true simpleton and the one that should be critizied not the people with there eyes, ears, and minds open and tell the truth on them.....If bashing them for doing an unforgiveable thing in my book in doing this stupid ass tour in the first place because it is an insult to Freddie, makes me NOT a Queen fan in your book then please list me some reasons why I would really give a Rat's ass wheather you deem me a fan or not?? I mean really people you are all fuckin strangers who will never meet one another and have no control in the destiny and direction of the other's lifes on here so save your breath and keep your stupid ass opinions and putdowns to yourself...........Later |
Knute 21.03.2005 19:37 |
....and if you have the attitude of lyricalassasin Not only will you not enjoy the show, but you will probably be arrested for beating someone up in the parking lot after the gig. |
We Are The Champions 21.03.2005 20:52 |
Knute wrote: Listen, If you are critical to the point where forgotten lyrics AND/OR a different interpretation of the vocal phrasing displeases you, than I can guarantee you will walk out of the show feeling let down. The only way you will enjoy the show is to have a completely open mind about hearing a fresh take on material you are very familiar with. You have to be willing to embrace spontaneity and improvisiation. That is one thing I really like about Paul. Not only does he not cop Freddie, he doesn't even cop himself. Listen to the differences in his delivery between the Hall of Fame gig and the 46664 gig with regards to WWRY/WATC. Paul has always been about feeling the moment and going with that as opposed to perfect renditions of recorded music. That is a long standing approach of blues/soul music and that's the background Paul comes from. Brian and Roger fully realize this and that's how they want their songs delievered. It's all about that fantastic moment where everything clicks in a spontanieous magical way. Sometimes you have to drudge thru crap to get there, but when it clicks, it really clicks and you can only get there by taking some risks.You've hit the nail bang on the head!! You've got to be very open minded about this tour! Anyone expecting perfect renditions in the Freddie style or songs sounding like the records will be disappointed and let down. Paul's background is soul/blusey as you say and I'm sure Bri & Rog want the songs delivered in a style which compliments them as well as Paul. That's one of Paul's strenghts maybe;he can deliver a different style of song arrangement to each song and live for the moment with more spontaneity. He's determined to stamp his authority and bring his own style. It's a risky strategy yes but that's what makes it exciting and fresh. He's bringing a new approach to what is a massive challenge. I'm sure he'll win the fans over in the end. |
lyricalassasin77 21.03.2005 21:19 |
Knute wrote: ....and if you have the attitude of lyricalassasin Not only will you not enjoy the show, but you will probably be arrested for beating someone up in the parking lot after the gig.Very funny......I see you like responding to my posts as you did the other one as well....Well its like this if anybody had the attitude of myself as you said.......they wouldn't even be at the Gig let alone the parking lot........so pay attention next time lad.......Later |
Benn 22.03.2005 09:16 |
Richard, >Not the forgetting words that is the problem - it is the crap delivery. How were you EXEPCTING Paul to deliver the words? With a cut-off mic. stand, a leotard, long black hair and goofy teeth? Paul has his style and has chosen the most appropriate way to deliver the material for him. The biggest surprise for mewas the lack of any kind of excitement coming from the band - all this energy that Brian has been harping on about was noticeably absent and is possibly the reason why Paul fely unfcomfortable enough to forget lyrics to songs he clearly does know very well. The Fancourt show was an unrealistic debut really - too much else going on and the music just being a side-show for a charity. When they are the centre of attention, I expect them to be MUCH better. |
Benn 22.03.2005 09:18 |
Knute. That's possibly the best ever post I have seen on these forums - THANK YOU! |
Voice of Reason 2018 22.03.2005 11:07 |
I see a few big differnces this time. A new singer, a 2005 approach and a band of fifty-somethings. I'm actually expecting a new interpretation of the old Queen songs allowing for the above, after all I'm 20 years older myself! |
onevsion 22.03.2005 11:34 |
from queenonline.com QUEEN AT 46664 SOUTH AFRICA 46664 South Africa saw the first official outing of Queen + Paul Rodgers live. It was not going to be easy following very strong sets from Annie Lennox (awesome in fact) and local acts Art Matthews and Blk Sonshine (both were undoubted surprise highlights of the day). Introduced by ‘smile of the day’ (Mandela excepted) Mr Will Smith, the band thundered through 'Tie Your Mother Down', then quickly kicked into 7 minute version of 'Can't Get Enough Of You Love'. It was delightful to hear a playful 'I Want To Break Free', it jumped up and really got the crowd going vocally. 'Fat Bottomed Girls' just simply thumped hard and pummeled. As promised Katie Melua appeared and delivered a folkie intro to 'Too Much Love Will Kill You', it was nice to see Queen kick back and allow another artist space to adapt it in their owen style. From then on it was simply a hit-fest. Every track being greeted with more and more crowd enthusiasm, by 'Crazy Little Thing Called Love' the whole field was swinging and finally finished off by a triple whammy of rock classics in 'All Right Now', 'We Will Rock You' and 'We Are The Champions'. Q+PR won over the crowd with classic songs, superb band delivery and some much needed rock...at volume. Undoubted heroes of the day. QOL Highlights of the show were: Fat Bottomed Girls, Too Much Love Will Kill You, Feel Like Makin' Love; Hammer To Fall and The Show Must Go On. Queen’s set was a purposely reduced set to fit the festival show format. We know for a fact there are many more songs and surprises lined up for the arena and large outdoor shows. The crowd was undoubtedly there for Queen, but it was not a Queen audience and therefore not a Queen show. I can imagine Brixton's atmosphere be nothing less than feverish and almost twitchy with expectation before the start of the show! 46664 South Africa Set List: Tie Your Mother Down; Can't Get Enough Of Your Love; I Want To Break Free; Fat Bottomed Girls; Say It's Not True (B-Stage, Roger Taylor on lead vocal); Too Much Love Will Kill You (feat. Katie Melua); Hammer To Fall (Slow Version, Brian May on lead vocal intro); A Kind Of Magic; Feel Like Making Love Radio Ga Ga (Roger Taylor on lead vocal); Crazy Little Thing Called Love; The Show Must Go On; All Right Now; We Will Rock You; We Are The Champions (feat. African Children’s Choir) Oh, and the no show of 'Bo Rhap'...just you wait and see. And the webcast edit? We'll we want to keep something back don't we! See you at Brixton! |
Fenderek 22.03.2005 11:48 |
"Richard, >Not the forgetting words that is the problem - it is the crap delivery. How were you EXEPCTING Paul to deliver the words? With a cut-off mic. stand, a leotard, long black hair and goofy teeth? Paul has his style and has chosen the most appropriate way to deliver the material for him." Great point, I actually LIKED his delivery... |
kohuept 22.03.2005 11:58 |
Enough of my opinion has been stated (the 4 songs I saw were great) and I don't want to regurgitate someone else's words, so I'll add this... Has anyone considered that the teleprompter screwed up and that was the reason for Paul's mistakes? Did he screw up any songs that were not on the webcast? Also, I'm curious about the backing tape accusation. What exactly were thay used for? EDIT: Nevermind - I just saw the thread! |
The Stealer 22.03.2005 12:12 |
Knute- Great post. I agree and I have also posted that folks need to approach this offering with an open mind. |
teddybear 22.03.2005 16:06 |
Knute wrote: Listen, |
Knute 22.03.2005 20:26 |
teddybear wrote:Knute wrote: Listen, Paul has always been about feeling the moment and going with that as opposed to perfect renditions of recorded music. That is a long standing approach of blues/soul music and that's the background Paul comes from. Brian and Roger fully realize this and that's how they want their songs delievered. I dont go along with that fully, Brian is a perfectionist and I cannot help but think of the look on his face when Anastacia messed up the words to either WWRY or WATC at the last 46664 concert, you could tell he was annoyed. They are anthem stadium songs, so not sure he would have been too happy? Paul had sung them at the HOF too, and did a better job of it there !!Oh I agree with that. I'm sure Brian tried hard not to wince when Paul messed up the lyrics. |