| inu-liger 12.03.2005 17:16 |
Attached is Greg's reply to my e-mail (my original one included). Hi richard, > Hi Greg, > > I know you're busy at the moment, but I have a question that's really bugging > not just me, but a whole bunch of people at Queenzone. > > The people at Queenzone wanted to resolve an issue/question that we're arguing > over, about the BBC version of "March Of The Black Queen". > > What's happening is that, the "Queen expert" himself, John S Stuart, is saying > that the BBC version of March Of The Black Queen is simply the Queen II album > version, faded out slightly. > I can't recall exactly, but I did listen to it at the time I wrote that article. I think it was a mix using the backing track but with new overdubs. You can hear new guitar and percussion added. It was not merely the lp version, but that¹s not far from the truth. It was the familiar backing track featuring new overdubs. I can't recall if freddie recorded new vocal but I'm sure he would have done. I just had a quick listen to the attached (which you can now hear for yourself) and it's the same 6 or 8 tracks of fm vocal as per the LP, so anything freddie did add was very minimal. -------------------------------------------------------------------- (end e-mail) Now, I don't want to try and discredit Mr. Stuart at all, but I think Greg could be right here. He did indeed attach the BBC version as an MP3 in his e-mail (which surprised me a lot, as I didn't ask him for such a copy). It is definitely from the broadcast, as it has that old analogue tape hiss quality While I don't have a copy of the Queen II album (I used to have a cassette years ago, but I don't have it anymore), the version Greg sent me certainly sounds a little different from what I remember of the Q2 version. I'm currently trying to find a copy of the original version on KaZaa Resurrection, to make an A:B comparison. I WOULD share this MP3, but Greg didn't mention if I could share this or not, and I certainly don't want to do something and find out later I wasn't supposed to, so I'm not sure what I could do as to having others hear this and make comparisons for themselves. I might request permission from him to upload an A:B comparison edit sample, but that's not on my list of priorities for the moment. Just thought I'd post about this anyways :P EDIT: I've now got a copy of the original version downloaded. Some bits do sound a bit different. I'll do a further A:B report later this week. Not today though. |
| Penetration_Guru 12.03.2005 17:54 |
You don't own a copy of Queen II? Is POkemon still that expensive? Still, nice to see you downloading it illegally & admitting it. When the Mounties come to your door, please bear in mind that it wasn't me who narked... Now, if it's NOT the album version, how come all BBC Session CDs WITH MOTBQ were removed from ebay for copyright infraction, but copies without were not? Having said that, I will also check, as I'm sure Mr Stuart will. |
| John S Stuart 12.03.2005 18:01 |
It is the same version!!!!!!!!!! Is it a stand alone version - NO! Does it end with the fade/intro to "Funny How Love Is" - Yes it does!!! Is it exactly the same timing - Yes it is!!!!! Why not post it for all to hear? After all you would not believe that mine was genuine. Now you have the chance to show to the whole world that it already exists in the hub. The reason Greg let you have a copy - is because it was so well leaked. It is COMMON-PLACE!! Think he would really pass something rare onto YOU????????? So you CLAIM to have found ONE SOLITARY SINGULAR "oh" of a difference - but wait - that's from memory!!!!!!!!!!!! You even quote Greg as saying... "it's the SAME 6 or 8 tracks of fm vocal AS per the LP, so ANYTHING freddie did add was very minimal" - yes, so minimal in fact - that NO one has noticed!!!! You don't even have an original CD copy to compare with. link |
| John S Stuart 12.03.2005 18:09 |
Remember this? YOU wrote... link "OK, why don't you just UPLOAD the tape in question, then?" I replied... The FULL BBC Session in question IS in the hub. It has been uploaded MANY times. Many in here have downloaded the full session, and yet, when they hear the track, they are disapointed because they expected something different. Put your money where your mouth is Mister know-all Was the fin on your back Part of the deal? (Shark) |
| Adam Baboolal 12.03.2005 18:31 |
You're very easily provoked John. What with posting those lyrics and the comments you made. Is there somewhere, other than the hub, where I can have a listen to the BBC version? Peace, Adam. P.S. Your link isn't working. |
| John S Stuart 12.03.2005 18:41 |
Adam Baboolal: "Is there somewhere, other than the hub, where I can have a listen to the BBC version?" Thanks to Dark's generosity, you can now find HIS uploaded version of the track at... link |
| Lester Burnham 12.03.2005 18:49 |
Not worth the trouble, John. To paraphrase Paul Simon (and I could've sworn I've quoted this before), "you know what you know". |
| Serry... 12.03.2005 18:51 |
Adam Baboolal wrote: You're very easily provoked John. What with posting those lyrics and the comments you made. Is there somewhere, other than the hub, where I can have a listen to the BBC version? Peace, Adam. P.S. Your link isn't working.It's none of my business, but you always not happy with anything what John writes! |
| Rich Tea 12.03.2005 19:08 |
Getting old I reckon download from the hub WHY? New fangled technology lol - I've just listened to my tape from what I believe was the original broadcast Bob Harris says Queen as the tracks fading then I've cut him off. Apart from that perhaps some double tracking on "why do I follow you" but that could be tape dropout it really is showing its age. I think John is 100% (at worst 99.9%) right. |
| Serry... 12.03.2005 19:16 |
Thomas is right. JSS IS an expert. Just take the FM box set (if you have it) and you'd find his name in the 'thanks to' section. Or take some Record Collector issues etc. etc. etc. |
| inu-liger 12.03.2005 19:51 |
John S Stuart wrote: The reason Greg let you have a copy - is because it was so well leaked. It is COMMON-PLACE!! Think he would really pass something rare onto YOU?????????He has shared other bits and pieces, that very few people know, with me, which I like to keep to myself obviously (there I go being another show-off), so it's not impossible that perhaps he MIGHT share other things with me (of course, under certain conditions, obviously) |
| John S Stuart 12.03.2005 20:33 |
That's your best come-back? After months of arguing it IS THE SAME VERSION of "March Of The Black Queen", and the best you can come-back with is that "He has shared other bits and pieces". Even AFTER you have especially (extra-carefully) listened so that you could haul me up on ANY minor variation between them - and still - that is the best you can come back with? Hardly addresses the issue does it? Stick to the point. link |
| wstüssyb 12.03.2005 20:44 |
lol JSS he just wants ppl to know he emails JB and that he is a uber shit =) |
| Bohardy 12.03.2005 20:48 |
Does Greg know that you're more concerned with painting yourself to be some kind of rarities expert, by merely downloading and leeching all the unofficial material that you can get your hands on, than actually being genuinely interested in and supportive of Queen by buying all their official albums Dark? If Greg didn't explicitly tell you not to share the BBC MOTBQ file he sent you, he can have no qualms if you do. Just upload it (you can announce it on 5 separate threads if you like) and let us all judge for ourselves if there really is added percussion, guitars and vocals. I truly would like to believe there is, and I have to admit, I don't rule out the possibility that SOMETHING is different about the BBC version, but I don't hold out much hope. What would be good though would be for you, Dark, to be the one to put an end to this whole debate by doing what you dared JSS to do and upload Greg's file for the whole Zone to make their own conclusions. You have the power... |
| Adam Baboolal 12.03.2005 21:56 |
Serry Funster wrote:You misinterpret what I've actually said. It's a mere observation. In fact, I'd go further and plead with him to not constantly edit his posts. I want to read the original thoughts of John S Stuart, rather than some selective and cut down post. It's such a shame.Adam Baboolal wrote: You're very easily provoked John. What with posting those lyrics and the comments you made. Is there somewhere, other than the hub, where I can have a listen to the BBC version? Peace, Adam. P.S. Your link isn't working.It's none of my business, but you always not happy with anything what John writes! Anyway, I think both Inu and John need to chill. I think they're both provoking each other so much. And you can see it's been getting nasty. Inu says bad things. John says bad things. Back and forth, back and forth. I just hope this kind of thing subsides. Anyway, these are just my current thoughts. And yeah, it's a shame Inu gets so caught up in arguments, but those who provoke him intentionally, i.e. JSS saying "bum stormtrooper" or Penetration Guru, who'll say almost anything for a reaction - Your're fishing for something to be posted and you'll laugh and forget about it. But it'll still be there (unless you edit it!). I just don't think it's fair for people to be so one-sided with their finger pointing. The blame game lies on no one side... Peace, Adam. |
| inu-liger 12.03.2005 21:57 |
John, why don't you just e-mail Mr. Brooks yourself then, if you don't want to listen to me? I'm sure you and Greg would have a very interesting debate... |
| John S Stuart 12.03.2005 22:14 |
"John, why don't you just e-mail Mr. Brooks yourself then, if you don't want to listen to me? I'm sure you and Greg would have a very interesting debate..." You completely miss the point (again!!!!). I know all about the BBC version of "...Black Queen". I own it. I have shared it. Why do I need to talk to Greg? Do I not have two ears? It also means that those "readers" who have been reading this thread are cheated out of a conclusion! link |
| John S Stuart 12.03.2005 22:20 |
That's the problem isn't it? You do NOT want people to hear this track for themselves, because you know all along that I am correct, and you just can not suffer to bring yourself to admit it. Why don't you just answer one very plain and simple question? 1: After listening to "March Of The Black Queen": the "official" CD release and the "BBC version", they ARE BOTH THE SAME - True or false? link |
| John S Stuart 12.03.2005 22:36 |
Upload your "March Of The Black Queen" BBC version. Then EVERYONE will know. End of confusion. End of debate. Game, set and match to you. What do you have to lose? As for me... I still say "THEY ARE THE SAME". Prove me wrong. link |
| inu-liger 12.03.2005 23:17 |
For one thing, I'm not on the HUB (or going to be on it) for a while (I'm still registered, but due to a DVD+R9 project I'm working on, space issues prevent me from having both all my working DVD files and min. 2GB of Queen files for the HUB on the same hard drive. I only have a 40GB HD, which I will probably need about 10-15GB of space for my files, if not more, since I will be multitracking seperate 6-channel wave files into Adobe Audition to create two new 5.1 DTS tracks alone for the movie I'm re-working). I'll tell you what, Stuart. When I am FINISHED the project I am working on, I will re-load my Queen files from the DVD R's I saved them to, onto my HD, so that I can get back on the HUB, and when I do I will look for a copy of MOTBQ. Though I'll give you one for sure; I've never seen any copies of the BBC MOTBQ MP3 on the HUB. Right now though, my project takes much higher priorities than the matter of an MP3 at the moment. The MP3 will be 2nd on my list... |
| inu-liger 12.03.2005 23:26 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: You don't own a copy of Queen II? Is POkemon still that expensive?Indeed, it is. I just got the 7th movie English dub DVD, which cost me $37.44 CDN (incl. GST), which works out to roughly I don't get a lot of money these days, being without a job, so that's a bit of money I will owe some people back (who I borrowed from just to get this DVD). Thankfully I've just been approved for AISH (Assured Income for the Severely Handicapped - an Albertan gov't service for disabled people like myself), so I will be earning money soon enough...though I won't see much of it, since most of it will probably go towards rent money for my parents (who I still live with). Still, nice to see you downloading it illegally & admitting it. When the Mounties come to your door, please bear in mind that it wasn't me who narked...Good luck trying to get them to find me. You don't even have my current address :) Now, if it's NOT the album version, how come all BBC Session CDs WITH MOTBQ were removed from ebay for copyright infraction, but copies without were not?Perhaps because John works for eBay? ;) Or you for that matter... |
| John S Stuart 12.03.2005 23:48 |
link |
| John S Stuart 12.03.2005 23:52 |
link |
| inu-liger 12.03.2005 23:55 |
John S Stuart wrote: Post it - so that everyone can hear, or, simply admit, that it is the same.I accept your challenge. link |
| Saint Jiub 12.03.2005 23:56 |
Dark sure is good at getting attention, but he sure has a problem with having any credibility. He is probably now mixing a MIDI to pass off as the BBC version. I can't wait to hear it ... well not really. Also, I am glad to see that I am not the only one that noticed that Adam never misses an opportunity to belittle John. |
| inu-liger 13.03.2005 00:01 |
Bohardy wrote: Does Greg know that you're more concerned with painting yourself to be some kind of rarities expert, by merely downloading and leeching all the unofficial material that you can get your hands on, than actually being genuinely interested in and supportive of Queen by buying all their official albums Dark?For the record, I DO support Queen. If I didn't, I wouldn't've bought stuff like the 46664 concert DVD, Flash 2003 remix CD-Singles and vinyls, and collaborations and shit. I'd have downloaded all that long time ago. Not to mention I wouldn't have spent as much money as I did on some of the rare vinyls I own as well. As to my Queen CD collection, the only CD's I am missing (from the 1991 remasters anyways), are Queen thru SHA, ADATR, and Live At Wembley '86 (I own the 2003 LAWS remaster though, so I think that counts). I have all the other albums otherwise...and then some (e.g. Jewels II). |
| Haystacks Calhoun 13.03.2005 00:02 |
They sure sound the same to me.....and I compared it to the Hollywood CD...... Perhaps a few vocal effects, but the SAME! |
| John S Stuart 13.03.2005 00:02 |
OK Dark - Thank you for that. It really is genuinely appreciated. Now people will hear the authentic BBC version as supplied by GB - and they can no longer claim that this track has been witheld and that it exists just in the collections of some elitist traders. Now could you set up another opinion poll for Queenzoners to ask them for their thoughts? "March Of The Black Queen" BBC version. Same as the official release - Yes or No? Whichever answer the public votes for I will agree with - and I will change my "Ultimate Collection" threads to reflect this. If I am mistaken - I WILL apologise in public. I think you deserve that much. This way it allows the general public to judge for themselves without listening to you, to me or GB, and that way we could gain a true reflection of what people really think. But once again, I really do thank you for uploading, as it will settle this issue once and for all - and I am very happy for you to take all the credit for that. |
| inu-liger 13.03.2005 00:03 |
I shall post this in the Sharing The Music forum as well. I'm really sorry to have caused any troubles, but I personally like sticking with whatever Greg Brooks says generally most of the time (as you may or may not have realized), as IMO he is internationally renowned as a "leading" Queen expert. But then, I'll also admit I'm somewhat of a suck-up (or butt-kisser, for those who prefer the latter term) |
| inu-liger 13.03.2005 00:08 |
Rip Van Winkle wrote: Dark sure is good at getting attention, but he sure has a problem with having any credibility. He is probably now mixing a MIDI to pass off as the BBC version. I can't wait to hear it ... well not really. Also, I am glad to see that I am not the only one that noticed that Adam never misses an opportunity to belittle John.I hate to point this out, and I don't mean to try and play the "Autism cards" again, but Aspergic people RARELY admit they're wrong. When we argue, we REALLY argue and try to be the last ones standing. (Makes for very interesting arguments between me and my folks, lol) I'll make an exception this time; I WILL admit at the least that this is at LEAST 95% similar sounding to the album version for sure. I won't fully admit that I am wrong. |
| Saint Jiub 13.03.2005 00:21 |
I did not hear a difference in this mp3, but I have a reputation on this board of being deaf. Hmm ... the Autism Expression Card - Don't leave home without it. |
| John S Stuart 13.03.2005 00:23 |
Inu: "I'll make an exception this time; I WILL admit at the least that this is at LEAST 95% similar sounding to the album version for sure. I won't fully admit that I am wrong." That's fair enough. I can live with that, and I thank you for your posting. I did not wish to prove you wrong - nor was it my intention to belittle you, but you would not believe the amount of people who think that "I have kept this track from them", and when they hear your version - they will STILL be disappointed and STILL believe that the BBC version remains unreleased. Now, thanks to you, you have been able to prove once and for all, it has BEEN released - and it is THE SAME!!! Just wait a few months untill this FAQ pops up on Queenzone, then I will be able to direct all answers to you!! Finally, what really annoys is that people will accept the word of GB as if it is the word of God - even if there is evidence to show otherwise. Don't get me wrong - there is nothing WRONG with accepting his word as gospel (as it is the only word we have) - but not in the face of such obviously glaring evidence! So again, thanks for the posting - as this should be the final nail in this particular coffin. |
| inu-liger 13.03.2005 00:53 |
Rip Van Winkle wrote: Hmm ... the Autism Expression Card - Don't leave home without it.LOL. Actually, the "playing the Autism cards" expression is one of P_G's favorite lines to use against me. I don't even really have Autism; Asperger's, while RELATED to Autism, is actually a lower form of but more high functioning than Autism. |
| YourValentine 13.03.2005 02:40 |
Come on, Dark, upload the "other bits and pieces, that very few people know" I would like to hear what else the Queen archivist shares with you - apart from fake BBC tracks. |
| Hank H. 13.03.2005 06:25 |
One thing I never understood is why people take Dark seriously. I don't remember a single instance where he came across as something other than a pompous ass - at best. And still he stirrs things up and people listen to him. Also, Adam, I don't see where JSS said any "bad things", while there certainly are MANY bad things to say about Dark. |
| Lisser 13.03.2005 08:59 |
Why does anyone even choose to have a debate with Dark, validate or invalidate what he says? It doesn't take a person of very high intelligence to see that he is seeking attention and is stubborn. With a person like Dark, it's best to ignore whatever remarks he makes like this and they will go away once he sees he's not getting the attention he wants. If you don't feed the fire, it burns out. I'm sorry Dark, but it's true. I don't want to sound like I am attacking you but I wouldn't be doing you any favors if I didn't tell what I see. It would be for your benefit to have a more open mind about some things, not only on Queen material. I'm sure this carries over in your real life as well. Just bc Greg Brooks is declared the official Queen archivist doesn't mean he knows all there is to know about Queen. I am sure he'll readily admit to this. I bet Brian, Freddie, John, and Roger don't even remember all there is to know about Queen in every situation and they ARE/WERE Queen. Just remember things aren't always black or white. |
| Lester Burnham 13.03.2005 09:39 |
I noticed nothing different, except maybe a few guitar parts I hadn't noticed before. After listening to the original version right after it, I realized I hadn't noticed those guitar parts for years. EDIT: very well said, Lisser, as usual :) |
| iGSM 13.03.2005 10:46 |
Actually at 4:32 you can hear a sigh...it's barely a decibel loud but I can hear it. 'cause I'm stupid, that's why. I'm stubborn too. Does that mean I have Aspergers Syndrome? |
| brENsKi 13.03.2005 10:59 |
Inu Yasha (a.k.a. Lum's Stormtrooper) wrote:you are now trying to twist people words:Rip Van Winkle wrote: Hmm ... the Autism Expression Card - Don't leave home without it.LOL. Actually, the "playing the Autism cards" expression is one of P_G's favorite lines to use against me. I don't even really have Autism; Asperger's, while RELATED to Autism, is actually a lower form of but more high functioning than Autism. when you said "I hate to point this out, and I don't mean to try and play the "Autism cards" again, but Aspergic people RARELY admit they're wrong. When we argue, we REALLY argue and try to be the last ones standing. (Makes for very interesting arguments between me and my folks, lol)" you WERE clearly playing a card - YOU WERE using it as an excuse for NOT backing down - that in ANY language - IS playing the card - whether aspergers, autism, parkinsons or fucking schizophrenia - it's still playing a card - you used an excuse when you ran out of argument |
| Lester Burnham 13.03.2005 11:06 |
iGSM wrote: I'm stubborn too. Does that mean I have Aspergers Syndrome?No, it means you've got Aussieitis. That's right, I went there. |
| brENsKi 13.03.2005 11:06 |
let's kill this stupid argument i've cool edit pro'd both the original album track (including the first few bars of FHLI and this mp3 - producing them both as mp3s at 192kbs to avoid loss on the "session" track here's the results- 1. both peak and the spectrums are more or less identical 2. i cut the beginning silences to match 3. i cut the start of FHLi to match the session 4. there is slight volume differences on the studio version fade - due to the rapid fade of the "session" track 5. i've played both tracks together - and there is no audible difference conclusion - they are clearly the same f**king track!!! there is only one question left why does Greg Brooks pass this track off to someone as a "legit" session track? he is an official archivist - what motive for doing this? - none that i can think of so one question remains - Did he REALLy pass this file to our "aspergic-bound" queenzoner? or does the truth lie somewhere else? - i only pose the question |
| Haystacks Calhoun 13.03.2005 11:19 |
Who's serving up the assburgers again??????? |
| Lisser 13.03.2005 12:00 |
Damnit, it was me again. How come you always catch me Buddy? bleh. Fankoo Lester!!!! |
| John S Stuart 13.03.2005 12:05 |
Brenski: Why does Greg Brooks pass this track off to someone as a "legit" session track? he is an official archivist - what motive for doing this? Answer: Because it is the REAL BBC session version - and he DID pass it onto Mr. Inu as they both wanted to prove me wrong - and discredit what I have been saying all along. (It's just politics!). I know that it is very hard to accept, but honestly, Greg has NOT passed the album track as a faked BBC version, nor is Inu's version misleading. This is indeed the GENUINE BBC version. The truth behind this particular session is that because of time constraints, Queen only cut three tracks - instead of the contractual four. So while "Modern Times Rock ‘n Roll", "Nevermore" and "White Queen" were recorded as sessions in the true sense of the word, "March Of The Black Queen" was just the album version played over the air - therefore it was indeed part of the "broadcast session". As Rich Tea wrote earlier: "...I've just listened to my tape from what I believe was the ORIGINAL BROADCAST Bob Harris says Queen as the tracks fading then I've cut him off. Apart from that perhaps some double tracking on "why do I follow you" but that could be tape dropout it really is showing its age. I think John is 100% (at worst 99.9%) right." My session was also recorded live off-air AT THE TIME. My dad and I have always been audio freaks - so my version was recorded from a specialist (newly available) FM Stereo audio tuner (which needed a huge c20 feet white-stick-like antenna) onto a 7" Ampex Reel-to-Reel tape. It was all recorded on the best of equipment. Since then, I have made numerous safety copies - first onto cassettes, and latterly mini-discs and CD's. So at least two seperate, independant witnesses testify that the "March Of The Black Queen" broadcast as part of the BBC session - was just the album version - on air. No tricks from Greg, no dishonesty from Inu. This version has been posted before - but to cries of disbelief. This time my thanks to Inu - who has indeed posted a genuine version - which he received (as stated) from GB. I also appreciate the time you took to Cool Edit Pro this thing, because frankly, I thought that I was beginning to lose my sanity! So hopefully it can now FINALLY be laid to rest!!!! THE BBC VERSION OF "MARCH OF THE BLACK QUEEN" WAS JUST THE LP VERSION BROADCAST ON-AIR!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yippeeeeeee!!!!!!!!! 1974: BBC Radio One Session, 3rd April 1974: Queen II Recorded 3rd April 1974, Studio Langham 1. Produced by Pete Ritzema, Engineer unknown. Broadcast 15th April 1974, Bob Harris Sounds Of The Seventies. Officially erased by the BBC. A copy of an original off-air broadcast has been donated to the Queen archive. Modern Times Rock ‘n Roll, March Of The Black Queen, Nevermore, White Queen |
| inu-liger 13.03.2005 12:15 |
YourValentine wrote: Come on, Dark, upload the "other bits and pieces, that very few people know" I would like to hear what else the Queen archivist shares with you - apart from fake BBC tracks.That, I won't do PS. You're getting rather bitchy these days, YV. What's going on with you if I may ask? |
| Hank H. 13.03.2005 12:24 |
Somehow we all knew the answer, Dark, but it should read "that, I CAN'T do" of course since there is nothing to upload. |
| inu-liger 13.03.2005 13:03 |
Hank H. wrote: Somehow we all knew the answer, Dark, but it should read "that, I CAN'T do" of course since there is nothing to upload.It's not in the form of files, these "bits and pieces" I mentioned. I realized that I didn't quite word it right, as evident in an e-mail I received. These "bits and pieces" are actually information (or answers) I got off of Greg regarding a few things...that's as far as I'll go |
| Daz85 13.03.2005 13:21 |
I need a drink... *Cough* Anyways! John, when will you be continuing the 'Ultimate Collection' album threads just out of interest? |
| inu-liger 13.03.2005 14:02 |
I concede. It IS the album version. The only reason I THOUGHT it sounded different was, again, because I haven't heard the album version in a long time. And upon doing an A:B mix using an MP3 I downloaded off of KaZaA, I could not find any major differences. Perhaps I should let Greg know about this... |
| inu-liger 13.03.2005 14:19 |
<font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:I honestly don't think he does, if he's sending me an MP3 of it and telling me that he hears new parts in it.Inu Yasha (a.k.a. Lum's Stormtrooper) wrote: I concede. It IS the album version. The only reason I THOUGHT it sounded different was, again, because I haven't heard the album version in a long time. And upon doing an A:B mix using an MP3 I downloaded off of KaZaA, I could not find any major differences. Perhaps I should let Greg know about this...He knows... But again, I'm not going to bother. |
| Penetration_Guru 13.03.2005 14:51 |
So claiming disability benefit, presumably for the rest of your life and with no job from which to contribute back to society, isn't "playing the Asperger's card"??????????? Never mind stubborn, that's just illogical. |
| omega 13.03.2005 14:52 |
maybe its worth trying to contact brian or roger and ask them if they can remember ! |
| John S Stuart 13.03.2005 14:55 |
"Perhaps I should let Greg know about this..." There is no point in informing GB - he is NEVER wrong! Just for the record, I have NO problem with Greg, and I have defended him in the past (especially when people complain about the length of time the boxsets have taken - by pointing out that his job is over - so it is now up to QP). What my problem is - is that I am a perfectionist (negatively so) - and as such, I would love to sit down and have a SERIOUS discussion with the guy! I would genuinely love to sit at his feet and drool, as he rattled off one solid fact after another, listing rarity after rarity, and puting all that "insider" knowledge to good use. Better still, if he kicked me out of here, and "took over the show". That, I would PAY money to read. We ALL know that he is MORE than capable. For that - I do respect his position. However, I just find his attitude flippant and dismissive, and when really pushed - he hides behind the mask of "confidentiality". OK - fair enough. I can buy into that - until I think about it a little more. For example, doesn't anyone else find it strange that he posted Dark an unreleased MP3 - and that this MP3 is now circulating the internet? Is that truely "confidential"? Is this what QP really want from someone once in their employ? I guess that what I am trying to say, is that if someone can NOT drive, or if someone can NOT read, or can NOT think - then I have every sympathy - and I support their right to learn. But if someone CAN drive, CAN read, CAN think, but refuses to do anything with it, then that to me is a terrible waste of talent - and that is the point when I start to lose respect. |
| inu-liger 13.03.2005 14:57 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: So claiming disability benefit, presumably for the rest of your life and with no job from which to contribute back to society, isn't "playing the Asperger's card"??????????? Never mind stubborn, that's just illogical.That's not completely true. I will still be able to work...some (or volunteer for free, which IMO would work out well, since I do volunteer with YouthOne occasionally). Under AISH, I cannot earn more than $200 CDN per month extra working, because the purpose of AISH is to aide those who cannot hold jobs for long (like me - I've been practically fired from all the few jobs I've had, bar the one that I got replaced in) |
| inu-liger 13.03.2005 15:05 |
John S Stuart wrote: "Perhaps I should let Greg know about this..." There is no point in informing GB - he is NEVER wrong! Just for the record, I have NO problem with Greg, and I have defended him in the past (especially when people complain about the length of time the boxsets have taken - by pointing out that his job is over - so it is now up to QP).It wouldn't surprise me if he isn't working anymore on the boxset. He did say to me that he is a freelance worker, so he's not working ONLY for QP. What my problem is - is that I am a perfectionist (negatively so) - and as such, I would love to sit down and have a SERIOUS discussion with the guy! I would genuinely love to sit at his feet and drool, as he rattled off one solid fact after another, listing rarity after rarity, and puting all that "insider" knowledge to good use. Better still, if he kicked me out of here, and "took over the show". That, I would PAY money to read. We ALL know that he is MORE than capable. For that - I do respect his position. However, I just find his attitude flippant and dismissive, and while he will talk ages about stupid, silly, insignificant things, a discussion on the BBC "March Of The Black Queen" (in my opinion) results in a childish tantrum, if anyone has the audacity to disagree.While I think his behaviour is also inexcusable, I personally think he has not had very much experiences with BBS forums (otherwise, he wouldn't've posted in CAPS). How social he is in reality, I'm not sure of. And I'm not going to say anything, as it is none of my business. And when really pushed - he hides behind the mask of "confidentiality". OK - fair enough. I can buy into that - until I think about it a little more. For example, doesn't anyone else find it strange that he posted Dark an unreleased MP3 - and that this MP3 is now circulating the internet? Is that truely "confidential"? Is this what QP really want from someone once in their employ?I think Greg sent me that MP3 for the purpose of my own evaluation alone at that. I don't think he intended on having me distribute it, as he was not pleased with past tracks he's had, that leaked out online (I've spoken to him about some of these leaked tracks the first time I phoned him, as a matter of fact) It also raises the ugly question "What else has leaked out?". After all, those "Hot Space" demos (amongst others) had to come from somewhere, (and we can't really blame Dark for that), and that someone INITIALLY had to be an insider - didn't it?The only thing I would take credit for distributing online is that infamous Teo Torriatte 2005 HD remix. That, and my Pikachu remix of One Vision (seriously, I'm not joking). I guess that what I am trying to say, is that if someone can NOT drive, or if someone can NOT read, or can NOT think - then I have every sympathy - and I support their right to learn. But if someone CAN drive, CAN read, CAN think, but refuses to do anything with it, then that to me is a terrible waste of talent - and that is the point when I start to lose respect.I don't drive. The problem with me is that I don't fully function well in outside employment situations. I get along with people great, but I have bad habits of being a yakker, and sometimes not completely finishing what I'm supposed to do (not that I'm lazy or anything). I get intimidated sometimes easily by my employers, especially if they're ones I'm afraid to cross (if you know what I mean), which I don't like to admit. It's hard for me to completely adapt other people's ways of living and thinking, because I'm only so ever used to the way I think and perceive things. |
| inu-liger 13.03.2005 15:08 |
And btw. don't forget, there IS one person on the board who HAS met me in person, and that person is Guitar Hero (aka Bob). I'm sure he can vouch for me on some aspects as to my personality |
| John S Stuart 13.03.2005 15:14 |
"I think Greg sent me that MP3 for the purpose of my own evaluation alone at that... he was not pleased with past tracks he's had, that leaked out online..." But that is exactly my point Dark. He should NEVER have sent you the track in the first place! |
| inu-liger 13.03.2005 15:19 |
John S Stuart wrote: "I think Greg sent me that MP3 for the purpose of my own evaluation alone at that... he was not pleased with past tracks he's had, that leaked out online..." But that is exactly my point Dark. He should NEVER have sent you the track in the first place! Furthermore, if he "was NOT pleased with past tracks HE'S had, THAT LEAKED OUT ONLINE..." then perhaps the question can be asked (and again legally it is just a question from curiosity - NOT an accusation) exactly HOW did these tracks leak - if he had them?Do you remember the stories that floated around that when he brought the unreleased tracks to the conventions, someone went and copied them w/o permission from Greg's source material copies (I don't know if they were CD's or not, so don't quote me on that)? I think I remember him briefly saying something like that when I asked about the leaked convention tracks. Where they happened to be copied, he does not know for sure. And this is the few tracks that leaked out in studio quality we're talking about. The other tracks were recorded by someone (on a video recorder?) when he played them to the closed room of Queen fans. Mr. Scully did post another person's report (which I still have, thankfully) on his website after the convention 2000, where someone was caught recording the session on his videocamera, after people there were asked "NOT" to record anything. (Why do you think they had such apparent tight security at the 2001 conventions? None of the tracks from that one have leaked out publicly, as far as I know, unless the Hijack My Heart demo came from that session) If you guys would like me to post that report, let me know, and I will. |
| The Real Wizard 13.03.2005 16:41 |
Inu Yasha (a.k.a. Lum's Stormtrooper) wrote: I personally like sticking with whatever Greg Brooks says generally most of the time (as you may or may not have realized), as IMO he is internationally renowned as a "leading" Queen expert.Number of times Stuart has lied, withheld truth, or played games with people: 0 Number of times Brooks has lied, withheld truth, or played games with people: someone else fill in the blank, please. |
| Atheïst 13.03.2005 20:27 |
I would just like to note that, although Greg Brooks could ofcourse know stuff like this, it is really not a very 100% reliable source to get your answers from. This can be concluded from the following question/answer from the QA section of the Queen-site: Q: who sings the beginnen of who wants to live forever? A: Freddie Mercury Well, if that isn't Brian May singing the first verse you can come down here to kill me right now. This just shows inevitably that GB is not the most accurate person. With kind regards, David |
| inu-liger 13.03.2005 20:41 |
davidcoppens wrote: I would just like to note that, although Greg Brooks could ofcourse know stuff like this, it is really not a very 100% reliable source to get your answers from. This can be concluded from the following question/answer from the QA section of the Queen-site: Q: who sings the beginnen of who wants to live forever? A: Freddie Mercury Well, if that isn't Brian May singing the first verse you can come down here to kill me right now. This just shows inevitably that GB is not the most accurate person. With kind regards, DavidActually, Greg was very sarcastic in most of his responses when he used to run the Q&A |
| Adam Baboolal 13.03.2005 22:21 |
Yip, it's the album version. Hah! Although, interestingly, if that's the vinyl version, I want a copy! I've never heard the vinyl's before and I really liked the non-compressed, airy sound. Does anyone rate ebay for getting the vinyl albums? I'm a big ebay fan and buy things on there weekly, so it's cool. Man, I'm really interested in those vinyl's now! There were more dynamics and it even seemed like there was a difference response in the vocals. I guess it really shows how the whole remastering (and cd resolution/bitrate) thing can change the sounds. I'll be so glad when we jump to a format like dvd-a for the fullest resolution. And now I realise exactly why Brian mentioned how the 24-bit 96kHz spec sounded as good as vinyl. Nice... Peace, Adam. P.S. I don't want to belittle John. It's just that it's a shame when people on the forum find it all to easy to take sides. It's nice to try and balance things out a little. |
| TheProphet 14.03.2005 10:39 |
Yeah, John S Stuart is right. The both versions are exactly the same!! |
| John S Stuart 14.03.2005 11:42 |
Adam Baboolal: Slightly confused here Adam (and it is not meant to be some sort of hidden slur - just an honest observation). "...if that's the vinyl version, I want a copy! I've never heard the vinyl's before and I really liked the non-compressed, airy sound". But what you heard was an "MP3" from a "radio broadcast" captured onto "reel-to-reel tape" - therefore it was both degenerated and compressed! The original CD (let alone vinyl) would sound so much better that an MP3 - surely? |
| Adam Baboolal 14.03.2005 12:36 |
John S Stuart wrote: Adam Baboolal: Slightly confused here Adam (and it is not meant to be some sort of hidden slur - just an honest observation). "...if that's the vinyl version, I want a copy! I've never heard the vinyl's before and I really liked the non-compressed, airy sound". But what you heard was an "MP3" from a "radio broadcast" captured onto "reel-to-reel tape" - therefore it was both degenerated and compressed! The original CD (let alone vinyl) would sound so much better that an MP3 - surely?I wondered if someone would ask. Non-compressed, as in the audio material. Not the data compression. CD has often been a good/bad thing, i.e. clearer and non-degradable sound. While the bad shows that, the data/bit-rate is not the best for showing off the music. Ironically, this is why some people swear by vinyl. And of course, as I mentioned before, the remastering process usually applies audio compression at some stage. I've always known about the arguments and the facts, but that's first time I've heard a vinyl copy. And even though MP3 is used (and radio), it's still perfectly possible to hear the differences. Peace, Adam. P.S. No slur from me either. Hope we're cool as I'm never sure. |