Scott_Mercury 04.03.2005 16:06 |
Ok, this has been talked about before, about Freddie's change in his mannerism's and personality around the last couple years of his life, but does anyone know for sure when Freddie knew without a doubt that he was ill? Do many of you think he knew something during Live Aid in 85', Wembley '86? During "Great Pretender" in 87'? He was so private. Now, from what I gather with interviews with Brian..the band knew something was up when Freddie didn't want to tour, but when did he tell the band....Brian's most recent interviews sound as though he didn't confirm what it was with the band until months before his death. Does anyone know the timeline on this for sure? |
Rien 04.03.2005 16:50 |
Can't you just concentrate more on the music of Queen? |
Ander Vørschört 04.03.2005 17:03 |
He got sick at around late in'86-early in '87, so definitely while doing the great pretender, and obviously, the rest of his career/life. |
flash00. 04.03.2005 22:01 |
he knew in 86, |
Zander05 04.03.2005 22:10 |
Last I checked, Richard said this board was for SERIOUS discussion. I don't see 'stupid gossip about the band's private lives' fitting under that catagory. |
Scott_Mercury 04.03.2005 22:28 |
Zander, The last I checked, you were replying to topics like "Weirdest Queen song". Which of course is a "serious topic of discussion". |
Hitman 04.03.2005 22:45 |
Stop complaining please |
Sicmot 04.03.2005 22:56 |
Scott_Mercury wrote: Ok, this has been talked about before, about Freddie's change in his mannerism's and personality around the last couple years of his life, but does anyone know for sure when Freddie knew without a doubt that he was ill? Do many of you think he knew something during Live Aid in 85', Wembley '86? During "Great Pretender" in 87'? He was so private. Now, from what I gather with interviews with Brian..the band knew something was up when Freddie didn't want to tour, but when did he tell the band....Brian's most recent interviews sound as though he didn't confirm what it was with the band until months before his death. Does anyone know the timeline on this for sure?How dear you to copy my thought?? I made this very same issue just 2 days ago.. shame on you!! |
MercuryArts 05.03.2005 01:18 |
Rien wrote: Can't you just concentrate more on the music of Queen?Right on Rien, the topics of late are getting more & more juvenile. This has been talked about a hundred times over! Lets move on. |
Daburcor? 05.03.2005 01:46 |
I'm with Hitman. Why must we CONSTANTLY fight on this board? |
supernova190188 05.03.2005 08:44 |
i'm with you too, if anyone say's anything they pretty much get torn down on here |
Scott_Mercury 05.03.2005 09:33 |
Exactly...if a person doesn't like a topic, then why not skip it and go on to the next thread. I asked this original question, then got bombarded with "Why not just focus on the music". My Answer: Obviously I love the music too.... but think of all the books on the market that tell the story of Freddie's personal life, not to mention the dvds out (several in which I own). Who are buying these? Obviously they wouldn't keep making them if no one cared. Some of you think its SICK that some of us Queen fans want to know more about the person than just the music.....so let me ask again, who are these "behind the music" documentry's made for?? Non Queen fans?? On here, you are almost too scared to post anything....you either get: "Dad says that we aren't allowed to discuss that." OR "That topic was covered Jan.28th 2005 at 3:16 p.m you stupid sonofabitch." |
john bodega 05.03.2005 09:59 |
I can't believe I'm posting in this stupido thread... listen, if someone asks a question, just answer it, or point them to an answer that someone else has already posted. No need to rag on them - complaining that the forum is degrading just degrades it more, eh? |
GiantSpider 05.03.2005 10:09 |
He did tell them. He told them then he said if it was mentioned again there would be hell on. Probably at the start of The Miracle sessions. |
deleted user 05.03.2005 10:54 |
Have you lot looked at this forum much? Its gone form asking a reasonable question about when people thought the band knew about Freddies last few moments of his life to a bitch fight, i say if u lot want to fight make a new forum called "BITCH FIGHTING ONLY!" dont do it on someone elses forum when he just wants to ask a question and get either the truth or some peoples opinions, not some sad ass freak bitchin on every chance he/she gets! take it elsewhere! |
Ander Vørschört 05.03.2005 10:58 |
Does it seem the notice board is becoming a boxing ring? Geez! |
deleted user 05.03.2005 10:59 |
asking about the question, Freddie actually had some slight suspicions about his health just before Live Aid in 1985, thats why he was so determined to make an impact, and to steal the show, and during the 1986 Magic Tour, he told millions of fans " We are goin to stay together till we fucking well die", so he told the band and the millions of fans there and then, but they never knew it until he did "The great Pretender" and "Im goin slightly mad", when they could see his physical figure breaking down as it were, and he told the band about his illness after the last gig in Knebworth, and he said from one banned interview "I told them, and i want them to keep it hidden form the fans, and dont want to upset the fans, not until i fell is necessary" which that times was 24 hours before he died, when he released his press statement. Thats the whole story of his final moments. |
Vdo28 05.03.2005 12:02 |
It's good to see that someone like taylorgaga can react like an adult, so sad that many others react like children. I don't know when Freddie knew he was ill, but it fascinates me. Because I think almost every person who heares he is terminal ill takes that like an impact. It's is a huge impact on your life. That's why it fascinates me, because if he knew during the magic tour that means he didn't let it change his performance. That's admirible... (I think I wrote that wrong) |
Ander Vørschört 05.03.2005 12:14 |
taylorgaga wrote: asking about the question, Freddie actually had some slight suspicions about his health just before Live Aid in 1985, thats why he was so determined to make an impact, and to steal the show, and during the 1986 Magic Tour, he told millions of fans " We are goin to stay together till we fucking well die", so he told the band and the millions of fans there and then, but they never knew it until he did "The great Pretender" and "Im goin slightly mad", when they could see his physical figure breaking down as it were, and he told the band about his illness after the last gig in Knebworth, and he said from one banned interview "I told them, and i want them to keep it hidden form the fans, and dont want to upset the fans, not until i fell is necessary" which that times was 24 hours before he died, when he released his press statement. Thats the whole story of his final moments.You didn't really see the impact on his physical performance until mid 1991. He still is somewhat the same Freddie we all were accustomed to in the IGSM video. That was definitely admirable! |
john bodega 05.03.2005 12:17 |
It's easy for us to see the illness now, as far back as 87 really. You can just see subtle changes in him. But back then, I don't think anyone knew. |
We Are The Champions 05.03.2005 12:29 |
Why don't you just remember Freddie for his music and his humanity instead of speculating about a killer and relentless disease!! His music and his contribution to Rock'n'Roll is most important in many fans eyes. He chose his lifestyle and he knew the risks so just leave it at that. |
Freddie F 05.03.2005 12:55 |
According to Jim Hutton, Freddie told the other bandmembers about his illness during a party at his house when he showed them a wound which couldn't heal - in 1987? He was sarcastic about that, but he clearly made them understand what was going on. Then, they had meetings, where he asked them to keep the secret. I also think he had suspicions about his state of health in 1985 (maybe not before Live Aid, but at the end of the year) and he knew the Magic Tour was going to be his last. Of course, he didn't want to give up his singing career, but live performances were from Knebworth on totally excluded - except his appearance on stage in "Time" in 1988, of course. I remember having being surprised in 1989, when I first saw the "I Want It All"-video ("why did he grow a beard?" "Hey, he looks a little fat!"). I had seen the "Great Pretender" and "Barcelona"-videos the years before and I didn't notice anything, but I was 15 at the time, I even thought he looked great without the moustache and in a suit... I would say that from the "Scandal"-video, everything was clear. The rest is history, of course. |
Maz 05.03.2005 13:00 |
taylorgaga wrote: asking about the question, Freddie actually had some slight suspicions about his health just before Live Aid in 1985, thats why he was so determined to make an impact, and to steal the show, and during the 1986 Magic Tour, he told millions of fans " We are goin to stay together till we fucking well die", so he told the band and the millions of fans there and then, but they never knew it until he did "The great Pretender" and "Im goin slightly mad", when they could see his physical figure breaking down as it were, and he told the band about his illness after the last gig in Knebworth, and he said from one banned interview "I told them, and i want them to keep it hidden form the fans, and dont want to upset the fans, not until i fell is necessary" which that times was 24 hours before he died, when he released his press statement. Thats the whole story of his final moments.Do you actually believe that you saw this "banned interview" or are you trying to wind-up others? |
Martin Packer 05.03.2005 16:22 |
Two things: 1) We do this because we've emotionally invested in Freddie. That's what makes us this morbid, and we all have mixed feelings about that. 2) "Know" is a slippery beast. Knowing for definite is quite a bit different from suspecting something's wrong. |
ANAGRAMER 05.03.2005 16:35 |
Nobody knows when he began to suspect, but he was diagnosed around Easter 1987 |
Scott_Mercury 05.03.2005 18:25 |
Of course this is purely speculation on my part, but I honestly believe that during Wembley in 86 that he knew. He may not have knew, knew...but he KNEW. If you catch my meaning. At Live Aid 1985, I don't think he did. Again, my opinions are based on no facts...this is just what I speculate. |
Serry... 06.03.2005 00:55 |
You may ask any questions you want to, but if all questions are about Freddie's lovers, AIDS, last days, last pics and no any questions about his music - this is strange, isn't? How do you expect us to know when he told them and when he knew? Everything we can say is taken from Brian/Roger's interviews or books by Freddie's crew and all these sourses give different dates. But Freddie didn't come to QueenZone with statement "I have AIDS, darlings", so no-one here knows for sure when he knew and when he told it to Brian, Roger and John. And of course there's no any banned interviews! |
mercuryqueen 06.03.2005 04:35 |
First off, stop argueing. This is a reasonable and legitimate question. Alright, that out of the way. I would like to think, and dont say what i know you are going to say, that he knew even before BoRhap. I would love to beleive the song was about his struggle and have everything solved. Now for you immature people who forget what they read 2 seconds ago. I KNOW IT ISNT ABOUT THAT AND I KNOW HE DIDNT KNOW IT THEN. I think he probably knew about the time of Live Aid. He definately found out during a tour. Probably not too long before Wembley in 86' I remember a interview with Brian saying something on the lines of Freddie wanting to do something, and John disagreeing. Freddie turned to him and said something like "Im not going to be doing this for much longer..." or something like that. So its obvious he knew before Wembley. I dont really care when he knew. He made kick ass music before he found out, after he found out, and hell his music was still being realesed after his death. Long gone but not forgotten. So next time ask a positive and uplifting question like "when was Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy" released, or something. Depressing the hell out of me ;) |
deleted user 06.03.2005 06:00 |
Rite once agen if u look u all are startin to get into the big arguement, so lets calm down abit and keep to the subject of the question. And their is one banned interview which i have sed but of course their will be no sources about this interview becos it was more or less moments before he shot one of his last videos and the band were asked by Freddie to deny anything which they still do, but im not goin to get into any of these arguements, like i sed if u want to argue take it elsewhere, not in someones forum. |
maxpower 06.03.2005 08:12 |
what is this fascination with this? isnt the music enough, freddie could have disappeared after knebworth 86 & lived the rest of his days in total seclusion in montreux if he wanted, but he didnt he continued to work till he physically couldnt any longer. Let him rest in peace, all you need is the music not the ins & outs of his illness it makes me sick & ill challenge anyone who disagress with this |
brian_may_wannabe 06.03.2005 08:28 |
Scott_Mercury wrote: Ok, this has been talked about before, about Freddie's change in his mannerism's and personality around the last couple years of his life, but does anyone know for sure when Freddie knew without a doubt that he was ill? Do many of you think he knew something during Live Aid in 85', Wembley '86? During "Great Pretender" in 87'? He was so private. Now, from what I gather with interviews with Brian..the band knew something was up when Freddie didn't want to tour, but when did he tell the band....Brian's most recent interviews sound as though he didn't confirm what it was with the band until months before his death. Does anyone know the timeline on this for sure?My mother told me it was around the time he was working with Monserrat Caballe. |
Scott_Mercury 06.03.2005 08:37 |
Then you can challenge me. Its human nature to care about this. I live in the USA, but of course the world knows what happened here on Sept 11th 2001.....our tv stations probably showed those 2 jets crash into New York City's two World Trade center towers between 500-1000 times in the weeks thereafter. Every American I have ever seen will stop and watch everytime. Of course we know the outcome, and its not good... but it just sparks the interest so much, you can't help it. I would say Queen is 99% of this board's members favorite band. Queen's most popular, most famous, and most beloved member having AIDS is VERY MUCH part of the history of Queen. You cannot deny this. If a person wants to listen to just the music, thats fine.... but if some of us want to go beyond the music, then we naturally, at some point will have to come face to face with Freddie's illness. Trust me, I'd would MUCH RATHER have Freddie here making music, and celebrating his 59th birthday this Septemeber with all of us. If Freddie were here, I myself would still go beyond the music, and look for lost interviews, and study articles of what Queen's members do in their spare time, what hobbies they pursue outside of music..etc..etc.. But that's not what happened. Freddie died of one of the world's most feared diseases 2 months after is 45th birthday. This is Queen history, and a very important part of the Queen history. I label myself as a Queen purist. Meaning, I pretty much agree with everything John Deacon has said about the group, which Deaky has pretty much said: "Freddie cannot be replaced, without Freddie there is no Queen, and I have retired from the music business". Freddie's illness and final days intrigues more people than just myself, or Peter Freestone and Jim Hutton wouldn't have included chapters on the subject. For me, Queen was Brian, Rog, John + Freddie from the early 1970's to Nov. 1991. Thats how long Queen lasted. Queen died in Nov. 1991, (John Deacon will agree). I just try to learn everything I can about the group in that span of time. Freddie's illness is a major topic of discussion as that is what ended the band. John Deacon would have went on as long as Freddie was there, I have NO DOUBT in the world about this. Everyone in the music industry as always said how smart John Deacon (the quiet Queen is), to me this was proven by him knowing when Queen was over. |
maxpower 06.03.2005 08:57 |
you havent said anything i dont know, & if hyperthetically it came to light Freddie became HIV positive in april the 23rd 1985 & developed full blown AIDS in june the 6th 1987, people would start asking how exactly did he contract it (yes via sex but people would want to know the exact method) thats my point somethings should remain private If people want to know about Freddie's final days listen to Mother Love & it answers everything If people are geniunely concerned about HIV/AIDS fantastic (i've had friends/distant family) succumbe to this disease & people want to get educated i have no problem. |
Scott_Mercury 06.03.2005 09:04 |
Max, Of course I wasn't asking anyone for specific dates...as even Freddie didn't know the who, when or how's. My question was more broad, and it was just based on opinion... I thought I would get answers like: "I feel near the time of Live Aid" or "I feel as early as during The Works tour". If you read the topic's question, you will see it was a "opinion only" topic, as no one knows the real answers. I, however refused to let anyone make me feel like some weirdo because I am interested in Freddie's life. I am just as interested in his pre-Queen days as I am his final days....just as I am in the other surviving members....its part of my favorite band's history, and I am going to pursue it..enough said? Sorry to hear that you have had close ones pass away from the horrible diesease. S.M. |
deleted user 06.03.2005 09:19 |
i think we are all sorry about all the things that has happened becos of this awful disease, and after listening to what some people have sed all i think any of us need is opinions, not exact dates or times (unless someone desperatly wants em) and i dont think anyone should ever go in to the personal life of how exactly Freddie recieved aids, that should aonly b kept with those VERY VERY close to Freddie, no one else. I to be honest have sed what i need to on this topic and will say no more unless someone is bitchin on at someones opions cos i F***ing hate it when someone has a go at somone else, enough sed! |
Q2005 06.03.2005 10:40 |
I think Freddie knew in 1984! Everyone is forgetting about Mary Austin and what she has said. Clearly by the Kind of Magic Interviews you can tell something is wrong while Freddie was interviewed you can notice his face is swollen and broken out. Anyone with DVD 2 can see for themselves. Personally I think and yes (I could be wrong) Freddie found out in 1984 that he was HIV + with medications, diet and moderation of lifestyle activites lived quite healthy till 1987 and then slowly his health declined. Also remember toward the end Freddie was sick and tired of taking his meds and dealing with being ill. It would be interesting to discuss if he decided to continue his meds if he would still be with us today. I have no opinion either way on this but thought food for thought! |
deleted user 06.03.2005 10:55 |
Well i know i sed i will not discuss about this anymore but screw that, u have made a valid point about his med, i think he continued his med aslong as he cud until he probably realised if he did continue he wud not be the same and probably cud not continue his music career the way he had done or not at all so probably thought he shud just end it( as sick as this sounds) instead of living on medication for the rest of his life and retiring from the world of music, becos if u think about it, if he did quit and remained on med, Brian and Roger wud proably not be as popular as they are, and Queen itself wud probably not be as famous as they are now, u have got to think he must of made a very tough decision. Life or Death, and he proabably made the right decision in the end (agen sounds sick) but its true, think of it from his point of view, wot wud u do? |
Scott_Mercury 06.03.2005 11:39 |
That's a good point, but sadly, as good as AIDS medication has gotten, there is nothing that would have extended his life from 1991 to 2005. That I am sure of. I also do not think Freddie had a "life or death" choice to make. Freddie was a fighter, and his spirits probably remained high after his diagnosis because he probably felt that he could beat it....or at least live a long normal life with it. For the disease to take over Fred's body like it did those last few month, I do not feel was up to anyone..... lets keep in mind, Freddie very well could have been HIV positive since 1980, 1981...or earlier. I am not 100% sure that say, during the filming for the Radio Ga Ga video that Freddie knew for a fact that he was HIV positive....I would say he didn't. But in my mind, I feel he absolutely knew at Wembley in 1986...When he made the statement "So you can forget those rumours, we will stay together until we fucking will die, I'm sure of it". He knew. |
deleted user 06.03.2005 12:13 |
Just like i sed isnt it, i feel he knew from the Magic tour that he didnt have long and like Brian May sed on one of the programmes, The story of Queen on VH1 i think he sed "as soon as he walked through the door we knew he terminaly ill but he wanted to continue for aslong as possible so when he did get up and sing, he gave it his all, he sung better than we had ever heard him before, and then we knew he didnt have long" (or something along those lines, dont quote me on it even though i used quotation marks! but like u sed, he was a fighter, he fought until the end, asong as possible but i stil lthink he made a decision a few motnhs before he died, to go oon or to give up as it were. I dont think we will know the truth, only the band will know the truth i think, and Mary Ausin. |
WTFare you 06.03.2005 14:36 |
Why cant we just let this rest? Remember Freddie as one of the greatest artist of our time!Why must there always be this AIDS issue?? |
WTFare you 06.03.2005 14:37 |
test |
ANAGRAMER 06.03.2005 15:25 |
This is not morbid curiosity really, the state of Freddie's health simply adds dimension to the song, performance and allows the listener to interpret the song with perspective and insight. It's really that simple. Nobody wanted this to happen |
Ander Vørschört 06.03.2005 15:41 |
The fact that he was so ill while making those songs makes them even greater. |
Martin Packer 06.03.2005 15:48 |
And I think the context in which music is made is terribly important. Witness the "what was Innuendo all about?" discussions we have from time to time. So understanding that context is valid, despite being a little upsetting and substantially morbid. |
Serry... 06.03.2005 17:28 |
taylorgaga wrote: Rite once agen if u look u all are startin to get into the big arguement, so lets calm down abit and keep to the subject of the question. And their is one banned interview which i have sed but of course their will be no sources about this interview becos it was more or less moments before he shot one of his last videos and the band were asked by Freddie to deny anything which they still do, but im not goin to get into any of these arguements, like i sed if u want to argue take it elsewhere, not in someones forum.Yeah and he gave this interview to you that's why you're the only one who watched it. And why it was banned then? And if you don't want to argue - you don't have to join to forum, because it's a discussion forum, notice board, but not only huge FAQ! |
Serry... 06.03.2005 17:33 |
Scott_Mercury wrote: Then you can challenge me. Its human nature to care about this. I live in the USA, but of course the world knows what happened here on Sept 11th 2001.....our tv stations probably showed those 2 jets crash into New York City's two World Trade center towers between 500-1000 times in the weeks thereafter. Every American I have ever seen will stop and watch everytime. Of course we know the outcome, and its not good... but it just sparks the interest so much, you can't help it. I would say Queen is 99% of this board's members favorite band. Queen's most popular, most famous, and most beloved member having AIDS is VERY MUCH part of the history of Queen. You cannot deny this. If a person wants to listen to just the music, thats fine.... but if some of us want to go beyond the music, then we naturally, at some point will have to come face to face with Freddie's illness. Trust me, I'd would MUCH RATHER have Freddie here making music, and celebrating his 59th birthday this Septemeber with all of us. If Freddie were here, I myself would still go beyond the music, and look for lost interviews, and study articles of what Queen's members do in their spare time, what hobbies they pursue outside of music..etc..etc.. But that's not what happened. Freddie died of one of the world's most feared diseases 2 months after is 45th birthday. This is Queen history, and a very important part of the Queen history. I label myself as a Queen purist. Meaning, I pretty much agree with everything John Deacon has said about the group, which Deaky has pretty much said: "Freddie cannot be replaced, without Freddie there is no Queen, and I have retired from the music business". Freddie's illness and final days intrigues more people than just myself, or Peter Freestone and Jim Hutton wouldn't have included chapters on the subject. For me, Queen was Brian, Rog, John + Freddie from the early 1970's to Nov. 1991. Thats how long Queen lasted. Queen died in Nov. 1991, (John Deacon will agree). I just try to learn everything I can about the group in that span of time. Freddie's illness is a major topic of discussion as that is what ended the band. John Deacon would have went on as long as Freddie was there, I have NO DOUBT in the world about this. Everyone in the music industry as always said how smart John Deacon (the quiet Queen is), to me this was proven by him knowing when Queen was over.Good point, but as I said there's a lot of interesting things in Queen's history besides Freddie's death. I don't think people would remember about USA only because of September's tragedy, so most of us here don't want Queen to be remembered because of AIDS. |
Stryder 07.03.2005 05:24 |
In my eyes, Freddie died as a hero. I'll take a bow |
deleted user 07.03.2005 11:33 |
Well now i think we all know as much as we need to know on Freddies Health conditions, so i think it is time to leave Freddie to Rest In Piece and for us to move onto enjoying the Queen music we have today and how the remains of Queen entertain the world, like for example Queen at 46664 and their latest tpour which will probably be their very last ever, so lets enjoy what Queen and Freddie have given us, the very best of rock n roll and the very best music hits we will probably ever hear. |