Daveboy35 24.02.2005 07:51 |
Hi Do you think queen were obliged to release this tripe back in 1979 i think i read somewhere that they had to release a live album because of the rash of bootlegs surfacing around that time, if this is true i would have rather a mixture of songs from different concerts at different times eg songs from 1973,74 75,76,77,etc so you would have had a varied setlist over 4 or so years. I think it would have been more received and applauded after all "live killers" only made no 63 in the album charts didn't it? Oh well i vented my options anyone else agree? |
Mustapha Ibrahim 24.02.2005 08:23 |
What you talking about " Live Killers " is a class album showing Queen at their best in their heavier days. The album does have different songs from different concerts aswell all over europe in fact. I suggest you reread the album booklet and listen to it again. with regard to the contractual obligation i think they were planning releasing a live album at the time anyway. |
Daveboy35 24.02.2005 08:58 |
What i meant was about the sound on the album was tripe not very good by other albums around at that time trust me the album is quite good but not one of their best as for songs what i meant is for example The prophets song good old fashioned lover boy songs that were played before 79 release rather than a 79tour/crazy tour setlist. |
Negative Creep 24.02.2005 09:24 |
It was a live album - what the fuck do you want it to sound like? Live At Wembley is worse as it sounds too clean and the drums sounds horrid. Queen were at the top of their game in 79, they wouldn't have been forced to release anythign they didn't want to. |
q-_-p 24.02.2005 10:29 |
Yeah I think I remember reading somewhere about Roger saying the album was a pile of wank or something to that effect |
kohuept 24.02.2005 11:21 |
q-_-p wrote: Yeah I think I remember reading somewhere about Roger saying the album was a pile of wank or something to that effectI've read that, too. I believe he even comments on Freddie's voice not being it top shape. The sound mixing was not treated well at all. |
Lester Burnham 24.02.2005 15:05 |
Live Killers reached No. 3 in the UK and 16 in the US. 'Love Of My Life (live)' reached 63 in the UK. Live singles generally do not sell well. |
RohemianBapsody 24.02.2005 16:51 |
I think Live Killers brilliantly captured the feeling of being at a Queen concert. |
brENsKi 24.02.2005 17:30 |
Mustapha Ibrahim wrote: What you talking about " Live Killers " is a class album showing Queen at their best in their heavier days. The album does have different songs from different concerts as well all over europe in fact. I suggest you reread the album booklet and listen to it again. anyway.i know the cover says it was recorded at 50 live shows...but i read somewhere that the bulk of the concert came from ONE german gig. so wouldn't this mean that the talkie bits and crowd noises and solos came from separate sources? |
[ Wybren™ ] 24.02.2005 17:46 |
BRENDA wrote: What i meant was about the sound on the album was tripe not very good by other albums around at that time ...Did you hear the 2004 remaster? (the mini LP release)...it sounds much better than the old 2CD. And I don't think a pre-80s live album could sound much better than that. |
Daveboy35 25.02.2005 02:51 |
I haven't got the 2004 remaster i will have to get that thanks for the tip |
The Real Wizard 27.02.2005 00:54 |
<B><font color=#ff7f00>Brenski</B> wrote: i know the cover says it was recorded at 50 live shows...but i read somewhere that the bulk of the concert came from ONE german gig. so wouldn't this mean that the talkie bits and crowd noises and solos came from separate sources?It was my website, and the show is Frankfurt. :) There are so many overdubs and switches from show to show that it's impossible to know where certain crowd bits and such came from. "The Champions" documentary is just as sneaky, if not worse. A lot of work went into overdubbing material for one little broadcast. |
nino trovato 27.02.2005 07:21 |
I remember when it first came out in 79. Up to that point I hadn't heard any live recordings til this was released. At the time I thought it was brilliant because I had nothing to compare it with. But after collecting tons of bootlegs and other recordings, I feel that Live Killers, though their performances were great, really lacked a live "feel" to it. There was no ambiance and the audiences were hardly audible. Their the ones that give any live album a live feel and how their mixed into the recording plays a big part too. Frampton Comes Alive is a good example of a great live recording. KISS cheated on their first two live albums by overdubbing any misakes and actually re-recording Hard Luck Woman in the studio and adding an audience recording over it for KISS Alive II. On Fire at the Bowl is an AWESOME example of how to mix both the band and audience and have good results. And yes, Roger has panned this album many times. I particularly like Sheer Heart Attack |
Liquid Scream 27.02.2005 11:12 |
I always found it interesting that the album jacket featured photos from various Queen tours but all the music was recorded from one tour. Well, at least we are led to believe it was all recorded "LIVE" on one tour! That being said I still really like the album and prefer it to Wembley, On Fire and Live Magic. |
iGSM 27.02.2005 11:32 |
I think the best Live Album Queen released was 'The Who - Live at Leeds'. Anyone agree? *waits for arrows* |
runner70 27.02.2005 13:20 |
nino trovato wrote: , though their performances were great, really lacked a live "feel" to it. There was no ambiance and the audiences were hardly audible.Still think that Live Killers captures a Queen gig in a great way and the audience is loud as hell in my opinion!!!! |
Lester Burnham 27.02.2005 13:24 |
iGSM wrote: I think the best Live Album Queen released was 'The Who - Live at Leeds'. Anyone agree? *waits for arrows*Agreed, my brother from another mother! |
Liquid Scream 27.02.2005 17:24 |
I love the crowd energy when they reprise Brighton Rock after the guitar solo. They sound really pumped up. |
Brianmay1975 28.02.2005 09:00 |
nino trovato wrote: On Fire at the Bowl is an AWESOME example of how to mix both the band and audience and have good results.On Fire At The Bowl is 25 years later, of course it's better mixed than Live Killers! The truth is that Live Magic is better technical quality than Live Killers, but it just doesn't compare musically speaking. '79 was one of their best years and the JAZZ/ Live Killers tour is simply awesome. It captures all the raw vital energy they had in the 70s. Freddie's voice had sounded indeed better in other shows (eg Earl's Court'77 or Rainbow'74), but it's allright even here. I don't know what's wrong with Roger, why did he agree to release it if he doesn't like it? After all, Brenda, why the heck are we wasting our time on non-productive talks like this one, trying to change the past? The Live Killers has been released 25 yrs ago and we can't change it at all... you'd better enjoy it as it is, instead of imagining the way it could have been. |
Daveboy35 28.02.2005 09:23 |
Yeah point taken brian may1975 it was just something i read about not so long ago and thought eh topic time oh well can't win them all eh a plus though for me is that it does contain the best brighton rock version i ever heard imo. |
iljaiya 28.02.2005 15:31 |
"Did you hear the 2004 remaster? (the mini LP release)...it sounds much better than the old 2CD. And I don't think a pre-80s live album could sound much better than that." Well considering the Live Killers album is full of overdubs and editing and even with all those adjustments the quality isn't as good as Deep Purple's Made in Japan (1972) your point is wrong. Live Killers is a good album, but they should (and could) have put out something brilliant. Í don't know why but Queen always have had a bad or lesser sound than other bands. I have bootlegs from The Doors, Neil Young, Bob Dylan and Rush from the sixties and seventies and the bulk of them sounds better than those from Queen-gigs. Maybe mixing wasn't their strongest point? |
NOTWMEDDLE 08.05.2005 00:04 |
Lester Burnham wrote: Live Killers reached No. 3 in the UK and 16 in the US. 'Love Of My Life (live)' reached 63 in the UK. Live singles generally do not sell well.Unless you were Peter Frampton whom had two big live singles from Frampton Comes Alive! We Will Rock You(Fast) was released from Live Killers in the US instead of Love of my Life as Queen was perceived as a hard rock band in the US! |
NOTWMEDDLE 08.05.2005 00:06 |
iljaiya wrote: "Did you hear the 2004 remaster? (the mini LP release)...it sounds much better than the old 2CD. And I don't think a pre-80s live album could sound much better than that." Well considering the Live Killers album is full of overdubs and editing and even with all those adjustments the quality isn't as good as Deep Purple's Made in Japan (1972) your point is wrong. Live Killers is a good album, but they should (and could) have put out something brilliant. Í don't know why but Queen always have had a bad or lesser sound than other bands. I have bootlegs from The Doors, Neil Young, Bob Dylan and Rush from the sixties and seventies and the bulk of them sounds better than those from Queen-gigs. Maybe mixing wasn't their strongest point?Many of Pink Floyd's ROIOs were better than The Doors. When PF played live the songs were extended and Gilmour would play solos differently than on the records. Also, he would flub a lyric occasionally unlike Roger Waters whom would mess lyrics up so hence why he wore headphones on the 1977 tour. |
NOTWMEDDLE 08.05.2005 00:08 |
Brianmay1975 wrote:On In the Studio, Brian May and Roger Taylor said the fault they found with Live Killers was that Queen mixed the album themselves and in retrospect could have let someone else did the mixing than themselves.nino trovato wrote: On Fire at the Bowl is an AWESOME example of how to mix both the band and audience and have good results.On Fire At The Bowl is 25 years later, of course it's better mixed than Live Killers! The truth is that Live Magic is better technical quality than Live Killers, but it just doesn't compare musically speaking. '79 was one of their best years and the JAZZ/ Live Killers tour is simply awesome. It captures all the raw vital energy they had in the 70s. Freddie's voice had sounded indeed better in other shows (eg Earl's Court'77 or Rainbow'74), but it's allright even here. I don't know what's wrong with Roger, why did he agree to release it if he doesn't like it? After all, Brenda, why the heck are we wasting our time on non-productive talks like this one, trying to change the past? The Live Killers has been released 25 yrs ago and we can't change it at all... you'd better enjoy it as it is, instead of imagining the way it could have been. |
goinback 08.05.2005 18:24 |
Live Killers has a louder audience than most live albums I've heard (and that's why I like it). The audience probably doesn't sound as loud if compared to bootlegs though. |