| supernova190188 19.02.2005 18:01 |
why is the song not on the album? also what album can this song be found on? |
| Gunpowder Gelatine 19.02.2005 18:08 |
Sheer Heart Attack is on News Of The World because the song wasn't finished in time to be put on Sheer Heart Attack. The band liked the title anyway, though, and used it for the album. |
| Serry... 19.02.2005 18:09 |
This song is on album and this album called 'News Of The World, but if you won't find it there - buy another one album called 'Queen Rocks', and if again it won't be on the album - then download it. |
| supernova190188 19.02.2005 18:10 |
thanks |
| 1quen_fan 19.02.2005 21:57 |
I like this song a lot, I was wondering the same thing. |
| L-R-TIGER1994 19.02.2005 23:35 |
And why "Bicycle Race" is not on "A day at the races",a mystery we never know. |
| LowSammy 20.02.2005 02:44 |
Or why Bohemian Rhapsody isn't on A Night At The Opera.....Oh..wait..hmm..nevermind. |
| AllDeadAllDead 20.02.2005 16:18 |
that is so incorrect. the song sheer heart attack was written so much later than the album, in fact TWO other albums came out before news of the world. it is written in many places, that the song sheer heart attack was written in response to a nasty run-in between queen and sid vicious in the studio, during the early phase of punk. it was queens 'fuck-you, we can do that too' gesture to the punks who's mission is was to destroy bands like queen. the only connection is the name, and probably some inside/secret reason for roger. |
| Penetration_Guru 20.02.2005 17:03 |
Er....any sources or quotes to back this up? If not, I'm going with the first answer, which has up to now been known as the correct one. |
| deleted user 20.02.2005 18:00 |
I know this will sound a bit stupid and off subject but i don't know alot about genre's which is why i'm asking you. Do you think Sheer Heart Attack is just hard Rock or would it be a metal track as it's one of Queens heaviest. Sorry for asking this and going off subject i just don't know much about genre's and wanted to know the answer to this. Thanks. |
| Lester Burnham 20.02.2005 18:25 |
Ahh, apparently we shouldn't listen to John S. Stuart then, who has a demo version of the song from 1974. He must be wrong. 'Bicycle Race' wasn't on A Day At The Races because it wasn't written in 1976. Simple answer. 'Sheer Heart Attack' wouldn't have been a good choice for a single, because 'Spread Your Wings' and 'It's Late' were far superior. And 'Sheer Heart Attack' is really considered punk, though I guess it could technically be more fast rock than anything. |
| ryancoke 20.02.2005 19:01 |
I tried playing it on drums once...I almost passed out. |
| newcastle 86! 16483 20.02.2005 20:03 |
john s stuart is a self rightous get |
| AllDeadAllDead 20.02.2005 20:23 |
you show me that john stuart 'demo' from 74. otherwise its bullshit. i did not fabricate the sex pistols story. there may have been another completely differnt song from 1974, that was titled sheer heart attack, that wasnt finished or scrapped, but the song on NOTW by that title was written at that time, no way in hell in 1974. |
| Lester Burnham 20.02.2005 20:37 |
The Sex Pistols story, from "The New Visual Documentary": "We were recording an album next door to The Sex Pistols. One day Sid Vicious stumbled in and yelled at Freddie, 'Ullo Fred, so you've really brought ballet to the masses then?' Freddie just turned round and said, 'Ah Mr Ferocious. Well, we're trying our best, dear!'" - Roger Taylor Where anywhere does it say they were recording 'Sheer Heart Attack' in that quote? It doesn't even specifiy the album they were recording. Brian about 'Sheer Heart Attack' from The Royal Legend online: "It sounds like a punk, or 'new wave' song, but it was written at the same time of the Sheer Heart Attack LP. He played it to us then but it wasn't quite finished and he didn't have time to complete it before we started recording. That was three years go and now almost all these records you hear like that period." So the song was written and demo'd during the Sheer Heart Attack sessions in 1974, but wasn't completed until 1977. During that period, it was probably rewritten musically to update it to the attitude of punk. And regarding John S. Stuart being a self-righteous get - do you have any of the stuff that he has? If so, your outburst is understandable. If not, I'll take John's word over yours any day. |
| AllDeadAllDead 20.02.2005 20:43 |
like i said, i'm not disputin gthat there was 'a song' by the name of sheer heart attack, but it was not the song that appears on notw. notw was recored after the ramones' debut, and that song is a direct reaction to the punk movement. perhaps the words were writen eariler. |
| Lester Burnham 20.02.2005 20:50 |
AllDeadAllDead wrote: like i said, i'm not disputin gthat there was 'a song' by the name of sheer heart attack, but it was not the song that appears on notw. notw was recored after the ramones' debut, and that song is a direct reaction to the punk movement. perhaps the words were writen eariler.What's the difference? Of course it was re-recorded, I don't think they would use a recording from 1974 for an album in 1977 (even though The Stones did it all the time). I'm sure the song was rewritten over time to adapt to the upcoming musical changes and trends, but you seemed so defiant that the 1974 and 1977 songs were different. If a song is titled 'Sheer Heart Attack' and features the same basic structure but not finished for three years, it's the same song. Songs progress over the years - 'Stone Cold Crazy' was written in 1969 and was considerably slower, but when it was recorded and released in 1974, it was still the same song except structured slightly differently. Same with 'Liar' and 'Ogre Battle' and much of the songs from the first two albums. Why should 'Sheer Heart Attack' be the sole exception? |
| PhoenixRising 21.02.2005 08:02 |
I keep reading HOW Sheer Heart Attack came to be, not the reason it wasn't on the Sheer Heart Attack album. The song was indeed slated to be on the Sheer Heart Attack album, but Roger Taylor came down with hepatitis and was not able to finish it on deadline. This also delayed a Queen tour at the time... |
| Fenderek 21.02.2005 08:15 |
PhoenixRising wrote: I keep reading HOW Sheer Heart Attack came to be, not the reason it wasn't on the Sheer Heart Attack album. The song was indeed slated to be on the Sheer Heart Attack album, but Roger Taylor came down with hepatitis and was not able to finish it on deadline. This also delayed a Queen tour at the time...Geez, ppl- it was BRIAN being sick, not Roger!!! |
| kerfuffle87 21.02.2005 08:19 |
PhoenixRising wrote: I keep reading HOW Sheer Heart Attack came to be, not the reason it wasn't on the Sheer Heart Attack album. The song was indeed slated to be on the Sheer Heart Attack album, but Roger Taylor came down with hepatitis and was not able to finish it on deadline. This also delayed a Queen tour at the time...i thought that was Brian, or was that another time? oo im confused :-S xxx |
| Fenderek 21.02.2005 08:56 |
One post above yours... *rolls eyes...* |
| sir john 21.02.2005 09:02 |
the song was written in 1974 and has go nothing to do with the sex pistols whatsoever if you are going to to discuss things get your facts right |
| Penetration_Guru 21.02.2005 15:47 |
Once again - please share your sources. We have a quote that contradicts you. PLease supply one that supports you, or concede that you have been mistaken. |
| PhoenixRising 21.02.2005 19:49 |
That Brian (not Roger) had hepatitis is correct. My mistake... but that was the reason that Sheer Heart Attack didn't make it on the album of the same name. |
| Lester Burnham 21.02.2005 19:56 |
How is that a reason at all? It's not like Brian suffered a heart attack, and Roger felt guilty for having written a song called 'Sheer Heart Attack' and kept it off out of respect. The story is that the song just was not completed in time for the album. Nothing more sinister than that, I'm afraid. |
| PhoenixRising 21.02.2005 19:56 |
From a Queen Circus Magazine article, 1978: Freddie Mercury: "Roger is very important to us in a different way. He's always been an out-and-out rock & roll fan with no time to stop and think about music and that's very good for us. Instinct. He's also the one who is most aware of facets in music, and that's essential in the band. If you listen to 'Sheer Heart Attack' on the new album you'll see what we mean. It sounds like a punk, or 'new wave' song, but it was written at the same time of the Sheer Heart Attack LP. He played it to us then but it wasn't quite finished and he didn't have time to complete it before we started recording. That was three years ago and now. . . almost all these records you hear are like that period." And Roger now? "He was into punk for a long time, but he's tired of it." Sorry - no mention of Brian's illness. But this sets finally sets the record straight... |
| lyricalassasin77 21.02.2005 20:08 |
OH who gives a flying fuck..........The song is punk and its not on the Sheer Heart Attack Album. That much is known by all, and besides it isn't like any one of you know the real story or have some exclusive information about the song. All your doing is quoting other sources you have heard talk about it.............Later |
| Lord Blackadder 22.02.2005 16:32 |
"I love Sheer Heart Attack, if it would have been released as a single they had another classic song". A song can still be classic if it isnt released as a single. Also 'Sheer Heart Attack' the song is best heard live I think. It was perfect when they used to finish the show with TYMD/SHA/WWRY/WATC. Just deafening. |
| shmoopy 22.02.2005 17:46 |
ryancoke wrote: I tried playing it on drums once...I almost passed out.LOL! sorry i just thought that was hilarious |
| lyricalassasin77 22.02.2005 17:47 |
I don't know if its just a british thing or what but this abbreveating everything has got to stop........Its like the post right above me, yeah after a couple of minutes I can decipher what song or album there talkin about but don't be so damn lazy and just spell it out......damn........ |
| M. 22.02.2005 18:15 |
Circus, 19 January 1978: link |
| We Are The Champions 22.02.2005 20:18 |
lyricalassasin_77 wrote: OH who gives a flying fuck..........The song is punk and its not on the Sheer Heart Attack Album. That much is known by all, and besides it isn't like any one of you know the real story or have some exclusive information about the song. All your doing is quoting other sources you have heard talk about it.............LaterI feel the same way....it's punk with Freddie singing it and it's on NOTW. I don't care much for the source of this song...it seems that certain people are trying to go one better by quoting the correct or incorrect source. It's one of my favourites off the album and is a classic live song. Would be great if it is played as an encore on this tour... It was Brian who had hepatitis and not Roger. I know that for a fact and was responsible for some delay in releasing Sheer Heart Attack and cancellation of some gigs in the US in 1974 I believe. So there you have it on that point. Incidentally, Brian was suffering from depression in 1989 following his divorce from Chrissie so this may have had an impact on the recording of the Miracle....just in case you didn't know. Only Brian really knows on this point.....but does it really matter as The Miracle is a good album with the brilliant I Want It All inspired by Anita's ambitious line "I Want It All and I Want It Now". |
| We Are The Champions 22.02.2005 20:35 |
I mean the Sheer Heart Attack album just in case I get shot down in flames!! |
| AllDeadAllDead 23.02.2005 00:36 |
its important, because people would be naive to believe (even with these rather amiguous quotes - often members of queen can be pretty arrogant, which is why i love them) that queen invented punk in 1974, and just kept it to themselves. and then conveniently, in 1977-when punk was in full swing, decide to pull that old dusty punk number out of the archives. the song that was called sheer heart attack that was written in 1974, did NOT sound anything like the SHA on news of the world. it may have had the same words. so what. i can take the words to a country song that was written 30 years ago and sing them over a puff daddy beat. does that mean the country singer of 30 years ago inveted hip-hop? i'm sure brian and roger would love for us all to think that they invented punk 3 years before the ramones and sex pistols, but the fact is they did not. |
| The King Of Rhye 23.02.2005 03:25 |
L-R-TIGER1994 wrote: And why "Bicycle Race" is not on "A day at the races",a mystery we never know.A Day At The Bicycle Races? |
| The King Of Rhye 23.02.2005 03:27 |
well, hey.....I did have a compilation CD called The Jazzy Game......which was, of course, Jazz and The game mixed together in an odd way...... |
| Little_Queenie 23.02.2005 10:53 |
Lester Burnham wrote: How is that a reason at all? It's not like Brian suffered a heart attack, and Roger felt guilty for having written a song called 'Sheer Heart Attack' and kept it off out of respect. The story is that the song just was not completed in time for the album. Nothing more sinister than that, I'm afraid.What I don't get, is why they didn't put it on ANATO?? Or ADATR? Why it took so long to finish the song?? Do you maybe know of any other reasons? I thought it was written later, hm... |
| Lord Blackadder 23.02.2005 14:28 |
Sorry about the abbreviating. I sort of agree with you actually. I just thought WWRY was obviously We Will Rock You and WATC was obviously We Are The Champions. |
| KenJ_1986 23.02.2005 14:39 |
I say abbreviations are fine so long as a previous post used the full name and it is obvious what you're talking about... As for SHA... I figure it's Queen all the same, so who cares what album it's on? As for the song, I don't really like it... The guitar solo, while brilliant, hurts my ears. Great song... not my cup of tea... |
| deleted user 23.02.2005 15:07 |
Little_Queenie wrote:Because the song didn't exist in 1974, for christ´s sake.Lester Burnham wrote: How is that a reason at all? It's not like Brian suffered a heart attack, and Roger felt guilty for having written a song called 'Sheer Heart Attack' and kept it off out of respect. The story is that the song just was not completed in time for the album. Nothing more sinister than that, I'm afraid.What I don't get, is why they didn't put it on ANATO?? Or ADATR? Why it took so long to finish the song?? Do you maybe know of any other reasons? I thought it was written later, hm... |
| Fenderek 24.02.2005 09:05 |
<b><font color="red">Peter Cetera</b> wrote:Oh for fucks sake- of course it did!Little_Queenie wrote:Because the song didn't exist in 1974, for christ´s sake.Lester Burnham wrote: How is that a reason at all? It's not like Brian suffered a heart attack, and Roger felt guilty for having written a song called 'Sheer Heart Attack' and kept it off out of respect. The story is that the song just was not completed in time for the album. Nothing more sinister than that, I'm afraid.What I don't get, is why they didn't put it on ANATO?? Or ADATR? Why it took so long to finish the song?? Do you maybe know of any other reasons? I thought it was written later, hm... |
| Little_Queenie 24.02.2005 11:40 |
Lol, why don't you guys finally decide who's right and let us know the final truth;)))) |
| deleted user 24.02.2005 12:08 |
Fenderek wrote:And what's your (reliable) source? Maybe Roger had the title of the song in mind in 1974, but it wasn't written until 76/77<b><font color="red">Peter Cetera</b> wrote:Oh for fucks sake- of course it did!Little_Queenie wrote:Because the song didn't exist in 1974, for christ´s sake.Lester Burnham wrote: How is that a reason at all? It's not like Brian suffered a heart attack, and Roger felt guilty for having written a song called 'Sheer Heart Attack' and kept it off out of respect. The story is that the song just was not completed in time for the album. Nothing more sinister than that, I'm afraid.What I don't get, is why they didn't put it on ANATO?? Or ADATR? Why it took so long to finish the song?? Do you maybe know of any other reasons? I thought it was written later, hm... |
| Fenderek 24.02.2005 12:45 |
About every single book mentions this song being written in 1974... Greg Brooks already confirmed that, didn't he? There is some Brian interview in which he was talking about the fact that song was written in 1974 but NOT FINISHED... And John S Stuart... |
| Lester Burnham 24.02.2005 15:06 |
I'm starting to think people aren't reading some of the quotes others (like me) have provided. Go back and read them on the other pages, and then draw your own conclusions. The general consensus from Brian, Roger, and Greg Brooks is that the song existed in 1974. |
| Penetration_Guru 25.02.2005 14:09 |
...but according to the arch spin doctor AllDeadAllDead, there were different chords in '74, so we're still wrong. Still no sources though. Or even these "alternate" chords... |
| Fenderek 11.02.2008 15:33 |
Good old times... ;) |
| carboengine 11.02.2008 23:55 |
KenJ_1986 wrote: I say abbreviations are fine so long as a previous post used the full name and it is obvious what you're talking about... As for SHA... I figure it's Queen all the same, so who cares what album it's on? As for the song, I don't really like it... The guitar solo, while brilliant, hurts my ears. Great song... not my cup of tea...What does SHA stand for? Ha! What I hate on the videos is when SHA is being performed and the camera does cutaways from Freddie when he is singing the actual SHEER HEART ATTACK (3 words) and then again. and then REAL CARDIAC. It is sooooo dramatic. Dammit, leave the camera on him continuously for those three parts! From a long-time-ago thread, here is a list of abbreviations and what they stand for. link |
| carboengine 12.02.2008 00:33 |
Lester Burnham wrote:Stone Cold Crazy was written in 1969 but was not recorded and released until 1974? I am amazed by that! And you say it was considerably slower? I believe you, but I can't imagine that! To me SCC is about the fastest song in the whole world. Every time I hear it I think that it is so fast, I cannot even hear it in my mind that fast. That it is faster than my mind can comprehend. Whatever concert that was with Freddie in his black cat suit with the sparklies on it split open to the waist, that wide black leather belt with large silver buckle, that black glove on his left hand, and the sparkly thing on his right hand, that slender graceful body, his head fling. Who sings "woooo" better than he does?! Stunning camera work. Geez! It must have been a major thrill for those who ever saw it live. I have wondered why it was never put on one of their greatest hits dvds. If so, I would repeat it 24/7. linkAllDeadAllDead wrote: like i said, i'm not disputin gthat there was 'a song' by the name of sheer heart attack, but it was not the song that appears on notw. notw was recored after the ramones' debut, and that song is a direct reaction to the punk movement. perhaps the words were writen eariler.What's the difference? Of course it was re-recorded, I don't think they would use a recording from 1974 for an album in 1977 (even though The Stones did it all the time). I'm sure the song was rewritten over time to adapt to the upcoming musical changes and trends, but you seemed so defiant that the 1974 and 1977 songs were different. If a song is titled 'Sheer Heart Attack' and features the same basic structure but not finished for three years, it's the same song. Songs progress over the years - 'Stone Cold Crazy' was written in 1969 and was considerably slower, but when it was recorded and released in 1974, it was still the same song except structured slightly differently. Same with 'Liar' and 'Ogre Battle' and much of the songs from the first two albums. Why should 'Sheer Heart Attack' be the sole exception? (Oops, sorry. This thread is about SHA. I couldn't help myself.) |
| Fenderek 12.02.2008 05:22 |
According to Freddie STONE COLD CRAZY was the very first song played by Queen in concert... so that must have definitely been before 1974 ;) Not so sure about it being slower, though. According to Barry Mitchell it was pretty much the same when he played in the band... so... before I hear it, I'm sceptical ;) SHA was mentioned in so many interviews, we DO know it was written for SHA album- Greg DID confirm it and he DID say on QOL "interview" that it doesn't sound that much different from the NOTW version... I guess we'll know in 2047. That's when box sets are scheduled. I know, not a very good one... |