foxxy_moron 13.02.2005 22:19 |
What are they? whenever i get music from the torrents.. it comes up as .flac files and i dont know how to make them mp3 files. none of my music systems will play them. Does anyone know what i need to play them? |
Saint Jiub 13.02.2005 22:36 |
link |
foxxy_moron 13.02.2005 22:53 |
ohhhhhhhhhhh thank you... didnt think of lookin there i dont have winamp and i dont want it, do you think if i copied them to cd and copied the cd to the comp they would be mp3??? |
Saint Jiub 13.02.2005 23:58 |
definitely not - you need a flac to wav converter (see link below), link then convert wav to mp3 (with various software). Yes, it is a little time consuming. I recommend getting 2 gig and joining the hub ... two flac downloads alone will qualify you. And make sure you read that FAQ link thoroughly(originally provided by YourValentine) |
foxxy_moron 14.02.2005 00:00 |
i used to convert my wmv. files to mp3. by copying them from my cd using Real Player... it might work in this case. If it does I'll let you know... it would be a pain in the ass to download all that other fancy schmancy stuff just to have mp3 files... |
Saint Jiub 14.02.2005 00:07 |
soundforge was easy to use to convert the flac files to Wav files. That is all you need. |
foxxy_moron 14.02.2005 00:08 |
i will eventually figure it out.. thanks for all your help! |
Saint Jiub 14.02.2005 00:10 |
yes I'm sure you will figure it out. :) |
foxxy_moron 14.02.2005 18:13 |
how else will i get them onto my mp3 player thing then??? it only takes mp3 files |
deleted user 15.02.2005 01:27 |
Have them burned onto a CD, rip them and make copies in whatever format you desire. Just make sure you have a hard copy and don't lose that copy. |
deleted user 15.02.2005 21:35 |
Some beings from the Hub actually do trade in mp3, which is a bit annoying. They have tons of concerts but all in mp3. |
Saint Jiub 16.02.2005 00:12 |
God save us from the EvanGP Flac police ... and their misguided efforts to keep the music pure. Fortunately most stuff on the HUB is mp3. A live semi-flawed audience recording in Flac is a negligible improvement compared to mp3, because the source material was recorded under less than ideal conditions. |
deleted user 16.02.2005 01:34 |
But I do have an option, do I? I'd rather take the less bitter pill. |
ghandi 16.02.2005 05:02 |
FLAC files is the last format that should be used for the kind of recordings that are shared on this site. And they tell us not to dare convert... Well, I convert instantly to mp3 or oggs and I delete the huge damn FLAC file. Nobody in this world can make a difference between a 30 MB FLAC file and a 7 MB ogg encoding, especially if the original is recorded by a guy with a mic in his hat 20 years ago. So, forget FLAC files!!! Long live mp3 and ogg!! |
foxxy_moron 17.02.2005 00:26 |
my mp3 player only plays mp3... which sux because the box said it plays both mp3 and wma... so rude! |
Adam Baboolal 18.02.2005 16:29 |
ghandi wrote: Nobody in this world can make a difference between a 30 MB FLAC file and a 7 MB ogg encoding, especially if the original is recorded by a guy with a mic in his hat 20 years ago. So, forget FLAC files!!! Long live mp3 and ogg!!Not true. If your ears aren't that great, you're bound to think that. People who really care, i.e the folks that post in FLAC format, do care about what they hear. No need to belittle their perceptions of quality audio. You don't like it and you found a way to make your own files - fair enough. Their idea about posting FLAC is that it's a high standard that gives people, like yourself, the choice to keep whatever quality files they want, whether it's high or low. But if you shared you're ogg/mp3 files, you're immediately handing them the lesser quality set. There's no choice there and that's why people on this board and the hub strive to make sure they don't spread MP3 anymore. I understand it and so should you. Because if there's a choice for downloaders/sharers, that means it's better for ALL. Not just one group of individuals that want a specific compression. Flac allows the high standard that's close to a 1:1 copy. Please remember this as it's important. Peace, Adam. |
Saint Jiub 18.02.2005 19:21 |
"If your ears aren't that great, you're bound to think that. People who really care, i.e the folks that post in FLAC format, do care about what they hear. No need to belittle their perceptions of quality audio. I understand it and so should you." Why should I be forced to trade Flac if I am a hearing impaired second class citizen? Fortunately I have plenty of company in the hub that trade mp3. Flac takes up too much hard drive space, and then it needs to converted to a more usable format. Last time I looked there was no sign of an impending ban on trading mp3's in the hub ... and rightly so! |
Saint Jiub 18.02.2005 19:41 |
oops |
Adam Baboolal 18.02.2005 19:50 |
You've missed the point RVW. Read again. |
Saint Jiub 18.02.2005 22:27 |
What point? That you look down on mp3 traders because you fancy yourself as some sort of god-like sound engineer that knows better than anyone else? |
chris99 19.02.2005 12:42 |
Flac has better quality, mp3 is easier to use and smaller - yor choice. To convert flac to mp3, I use Winamp with flac-plugin and diskwriter. Then CDex to convert wav to mp3. Not easy but fast. |
ghandi 19.02.2005 14:39 |
Adam Baboolal wrote:Your point of view would be valid only if the audio converted to FLAC would have such a quality in itself that would justify such an encoding. These Queen bootlegs are anything but high quality.ghandi wrote: Nobody in this world can make a difference between a 30 MB FLAC file and a 7 MB ogg encoding, especially if the original is recorded by a guy with a mic in his hat 20 years ago. So, forget FLAC files!!! Long live mp3 and ogg!!Not true. If your ears aren't that great, you're bound to think that. People who really care, i.e the folks that post in FLAC format, do care about what they hear. No need to belittle their perceptions of quality audio. You don't like it and you found a way to make your own files - fair enough. Their idea about posting FLAC is that it's a high standard that gives people, like yourself, the choice to keep whatever quality files they want, whether it's high or low. But if you shared you're ogg/mp3 files, you're immediately handing them the lesser quality set. There's no choice there and that's why people on this board and the hub strive to make sure they don't spread MP3 anymore. I understand it and so should you. Because if there's a choice for downloaders/sharers, that means it's better for ALL. Not just one group of individuals that want a specific compression. Flac allows the high standard that's close to a 1:1 copy. Please remember this as it's important. Peace, Adam. I really don't think there exists a person in this world to think that, for example the Knebworth show, sounds better in FLAC than in, say, 320KB/s mp3. And if this file is four times larger than it makes a big difference. So use FLAC just when it is useful. That is, studio-like recordings or at least professional recorded concerts. |
chris99 19.02.2005 15:00 |
@gahndi 100% ack, that's exactly my point. FLAC is totally useless when dealing with low quality bootlegs. My post above was about converting FLAC to mp3. Not complicated, but some pieces of software needed. As I already had Winamp and CDex installed, the easiest way was to go for a Winamp plugin. |
Adam Baboolal 19.02.2005 21:01 |
Rip Van Winkle wrote: What point? That you look down on mp3 traders because you fancy yourself as some sort of god-like sound engineer that knows better than anyone else?That's right, insult me instead of trying to understand my post. How clever... My main post reminds us of choice. It's not about treating either Flac or Mp3 lovers with disrespect. It's about giving either side a choice of quality downloads. You know, I do use and like Mp3. I also like Flac. So don't think that I'm taking sides. But at least I can appreciate what traders are doing with Flac downloads. Thank god I'm no elitist about the subject. Notice how I uploaded Mp3 files from the UK Hall Of Fame a while back. Peace, Adam. |
Adam Baboolal 19.02.2005 21:26 |
Maybe this will help? link |
foxxy_moron 19.02.2005 21:29 |
Nero won't read the Flac files.. i've downloaded Winamp... I dont really like it, but can you burn cds from it?? so I can have these files on CD? i dont really know much about it and the site is basically giving me no help. thnx |
Saint Jiub 19.02.2005 22:48 |
"But if you shared you're ogg/mp3 files, you're immediately handing them the lesser quality set. There's no choice there and that's why people on this board and the hub strive to make sure they don't spread MP3 anymore." Adam, it is your holier than thou attitude that seeks to discontinue or discourage mp3 sharing that is the problem. Both types of sharing can coexist harmoniously, but you insist on implying that mp3 traders are selfish, ignorant and tone-deaf. To insist that everyone trade or share flac is ludicrous and causes these issues to mp3 users: 1. The flac files are five times as large as mp3 files (consuming extra valuable hard drive space) and take five times as long to download. 2. One must download software to convert flac to wav. 3. The songs must be converted to wav from flac. 4. One must purchase or download software to convert the wave files to mp3 files. 5. One must convert the wav files into mp3 files. I, for one, do not want to jump through these hoops every time I download a concert. The marginal increase in sound quality of an audience recording of flac compared to mp3 is insignificant. |
Adam Baboolal 20.02.2005 00:13 |
Notice that I mentioned my own sharing of MP3 files of only a month ago. There is no "attitude" as I already mentioned that it's not about taking sides. It's only about telling the truth. Notice also that I'm not the one sharing concerts in Flac. So don't complain to me about "insisting" anything. I'm only sharing their ideals in wanting to use flac. And yes, of course not everyone has a fast connection to get huge downloads. But again, you can't blame anyone for that. They are, after-all, providing a free download. And if you're lucky, they'll provide a smaller download. I think it's PG who says that you should be happy that you get anything at all! These downloads are put up out of the goodness of their hearts, bless 'em! Peace, Adam. P.S. There's plenty of free software all over the net to encode and convert files. No need to buy anything at all. |
tilomagnet 20.02.2005 02:51 |
Rip Van Winkle wrote: Both types of sharing can coexist harmoniously, but you insist on implying that mp3 traders are selfish, ignorant and tone-deaf. To insist that everyone trade or share flac is ludicrous and causes these issues to mp3 users:Actually mp3 should never be a format to trade music. Trading means to share music and to preserve the quality of the material traded, even if it´s a poor 30-year-old audience recording. That doesn´t mean mp3 is not a useful format, it´s ok for your personal use, but mp3 should not be traded. To me a person who shares mp3 is not a trader, because the aim of a trader is to preserve the original quality of the recording as far as possible. |
foxxy_moron 20.02.2005 03:25 |
Yes yes, flac consumes space.. and i found that the sound quality on them werent that great.. although.. it was from the apollo theatre 77 concert that i wanted winamp for. the concert itself was brilliant but all i could hear was the audience. |
pma 20.02.2005 04:47 |
tilomagnet wrote:Yep, preservation of the original. That's the key.Rip Van Winkle wrote: Both types of sharing can coexist harmoniously, but you insist on implying that mp3 traders are selfish, ignorant and tone-deaf. To insist that everyone trade or share flac is ludicrous and causes these issues to mp3 users:Actually mp3 should never be a format to trade music. Trading means to share music and to preserve the quality of the material traded, even if it´s a poor 30-year-old audience recording. That doesn´t mean mp3 is not a useful format, it´s ok for your personal use, but mp3 should not be traded. To me a person who shares mp3 is not a trader, because the aim of a trader is to preserve the original quality of the recording as far as possible. And those of us who wish to do so, should be allowed to do so without any whinging :-) Mp3-boots shared always managed to infect trading pools when there ALWAYS is and ALWAYS will be some profiteers etc. who will try to pass the mp3'files as lossless material (instead of mp3 for mp3 swaps) and trade them. Sharing in FLAC/SHN preserves the original quality, gives the community FREE boots in their preserved original quality (no matter how bad/good it is), hopefully cuts profits from bootleg-selling nimrods and helps keep the "trading pool" clean of lossy copies passed as lossless. |
tilomagnet 20.02.2005 05:13 |
foxxy_moron wrote: Yes yes, flac consumes space.. and i found that the sound quality on them werent that great.. although.. it was from the apollo theatre 77 concert that i wanted winamp for. the concert itself was brilliant but all i could hear was the audience.I don´t understand your point at all. If you have a so called poor 30-year-old recording, then it doesn´t matter if you make it even worse by encoding it to mp3? That doesn´t make sense. We are all very lucky that we can listen to these concerts from the 70s and 80s. Most of these shows will probably never be officially released. Some people here seem to take it for granted that we can listen to these recordings and that they can do with them whatever they want. That is wrong. We should preserve the quality of these recordings as good as we can, they are unique and they deserve to be treated like this. And if you say you can´t hear the difference between an mp3 and a flac copy, then it doesn´t mean nobody can hear the difference. Think about that. |
ghandi 20.02.2005 07:56 |
I think this can be continue on and on with the same topic, but I think it is useless. The main thing of the pro-FLACers's argument that I don't agree is that you should conserve 100.00% a crappy recording in which you can barely destinguish the crowd from the band. Why not convert some old VHS bootleg tape to a DVD like format so you don't lose anything there? But if that's your choice go ahead! Keep sharing the superb free lossless audio codec (FLAC) used on shitty recordings. |
tilomagnet 20.02.2005 09:12 |
ghandi wrote: But if that's your choice go ahead! Keep sharing the superb free lossless audio codec (FLAC) used on shitty recordings.If the recordings all sound "shitty" anyway, why don´t you just delete all of them and listen to your perfect sounding studio material exclusively? Maybe that would make it easier. |
Saint Jiub 20.02.2005 18:59 |
Another objection to Flac is that there is usually at least one song that will not decode using Flacfrontend ... so one must download another Flac conversion package to convert the "unconvertable" files (fortunately for me this has worked). Why must those of us who are happy with mp3 be forced to do Flac backflips just to appease a few Flac hardliners? It sounds like the Moral Majority is trying to shove their beliefs on the heathen mp3 users. I mean, come on, in this age of Queen hubs and Bittorrents (not to mention QOL beating the bootleggers), who in their right mind would convert mp3 to flac? |
Maz 20.02.2005 23:35 |
Rip Van Winkle wrote: Another objection to Flac is that there is usually at least one song that will not decode using Flacfrontend ... so one must download another Flac conversion package to convert the "unconvertable" files (fortunately for me this has worked).The only problems I have ever had when converting Flac files came on a few boots available here on QZ. That was due to the strange apostrophe, and once I either deleted it or changed it, the files converted just fine with FlacFrontend. In the 50+ boots I've converted from Flac, I've never had to use another program. |
Saint Jiub 20.02.2005 23:56 |
DbPowerAMP does not have problems with apostrophe's. I just converted New York 1977-12-01 and had problems with apostrophe's on 6 songs with Frontend. Now that you mention it I seem to remember some apostrophe comments regarding FlacFrontEnd a while back ... one tends not to remember such things when you get a cryptic DOS error. Anyway, again, it worked with DbPoweramp. A while ago I deleted FlacFrontEnd, BitTornado, DbPowerAmp due to lack of Hard drive space (I've since bought an external hard drive). Late this afternoon, I've since downloaded FlacFrontEnd and DbPowerAmp again. I am 2/3 of the way through convert wav to mp3. It is long tedius process compared to just downloading an mp3. Oh well ... I wanted the complete version of 19770\-12-01 New York but it was only available on flac (but not mp3). |
Maz 21.02.2005 00:10 |
Rip Van Winkle wrote: Now that you mention it I seem to remember some apostrophe comments regarding FlacFrontEnd a while back ... one tends not to remember such things when you get a cryptic DOS error.It was on Whitemanadmin's torrents. The apostrophes in his track titles were different than what you would see on a normal Western keyboard. I'm assuming that led to a conversion error as FlacFrontend could not recognize it. |
Saint Jiub 21.02.2005 00:45 |
Finally finished converting to mp3. Roxio crashed 3 times (never done that to me before). Oh well. I will be sharing Flac, Wav and mpe versions of this concert on the hub for a while. |
foxxy_moron 21.02.2005 01:07 |
ohhhhhhh i think some of u are missunderstood by what i said. i wasnt slagging off flac files.. i guess i just had high hopes... |