deleted user 24.01.2005 11:52 |
What about best guitarist????? No one's talked about that yet.... In my opinion, that award goes to Brian May. |
ægishjalmur 24.01.2005 11:54 |
Yeah, Brian May of course. I think Django Reinhardh's good too. He only had 3 fingers on his left hand but he still could play! |
The Fairy King 24.01.2005 11:54 |
Jimi Hendrix :P |
deleted user 24.01.2005 12:52 |
AMAZING sarcasm there, Linda. |
Rick 24.01.2005 13:45 |
Shut up Linda, mind your own business. Let people start topics they want. If you don't like them, stop posting in these topics. |
Rick 24.01.2005 13:49 |
Brian May offcourse, but Steve Lukather, Jimmy Page, Slash etc. are also very good guitarists! |
Rick 24.01.2005 13:56 |
<font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:Je bent toevallig Nederlands. Wat ik wilde zeggen dat ze iedereen onderuit haalt die een 'weenis-related' topic opent. Respect mis ik op QZ. Tuurlijk word je er op ut laatst strontziek van, maar post dan gewoon niet in zulke topics. Mensen op zulke manieren behandelen is ook gewoon ziek, ik zou zeggen kom op link. Dan snap je tenminste wat ik bedoel...Rick wrote: Shut up Linda, mind your own business. Let people start topics they want. If you don't like them, stop posting in these topics.So, if Baer wants to, he can post 497 topics, each one being about something weenis-related? Come on! |
Rick 24.01.2005 14:10 |
<font color=#8A2BE2> Linda Of The Valley wrote:It's okay, I know what you mean. Forget what I said.Rick wrote: Shut up Linda, mind your own business. Let people start topics they want. If you don't like them, stop posting in these topics.Relax....breath in...breath out...you haven't been doing enough of your yoga. Man, if I folowed by the rules: 'Let people start whatever topics they like' I'd get my head bitten off. |
flash00 24.01.2005 14:18 |
eazzzzzy!! big brian may of course! slash is cool, |
Farlander 24.01.2005 14:22 |
Definately Brian. There may have been guitarists that have demonstrated faster playing or whatever, but NOBODY has ever gotten such expression from a guitar. Brian makes it nearly as axpressive as the human voice. |
deleted user 24.01.2005 14:39 |
<font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:Linda attacks ad hominem Caspar, whereas Baer is just a fact of life here on QZ. Linda was never like that before, she just metamorphosed into a mindless, raging, filthmongering zombie who emulates what her mistress does. Pretty much like a naive puppy, it either learns to be as vicious as canines on the street, or if tamed by a master, it can be as gentle as lambs for slaughter.Rick wrote: Shut up Linda, mind your own business. Let people start topics they want. If you don't like them, stop posting in these topics.So, if Baer wants to, he can post 497 topics, each one being about something weenis-related? Come on! |
Awesome-O _4000 24.01.2005 19:45 |
*Best at displaying emotion: Brian May *Best for best technical playing: Jimmy Hendrix *Best at playing complicated rhythems: Jimmy Page *Best at playing fast: Slash and Knoffner (spelling?) *Best Songwriting guitarist: Brian May *Not really best but whom cannot NOT be mentioned: David Gilmour (he's magical really, but you can't quite put your finger on what it is about him) *Best IMHO because he is FABULOUS: BRIAN MAY. |
Awesome-O _4000 25.01.2005 17:50 |
Oh yeah... Tommy Shaw is good too. |
LadyMoonshineDown 25.01.2005 20:39 |
*39* wrote: What about best guitarist????? No one's talked about that yet.... In my opinion, that award goes to Brian May.Actually, this has been covered. So..... You're wrong! Mwahahaha. Oh, and I was kidding ;) Cheers |
Fireplace 25.01.2005 21:13 |
Awesome-O _4000 wrote: *Not really best but whom cannot NOT be mentioned: David Gilmour (he's magical really, but you can't quite put your finger on what it is about him)Quite simply: his tone. Gilmour is not as fast or as technical as some of the other guitarists mentioned, but when it comes to sheer atmosphere and emotion he can do more with a single note than most guitarists with ten. |
RainMustFall2 25.01.2005 21:34 |
You have to take into consideration, though, that the final thing that can hold a guitarist back is the songwriting. You can be an amazing technical guitarist, but if you're playing to a cliche song with a boring chord progression, you won't be considered so good. Taking into consideration the complexity of the chord progressions/arrangements of most Queen songs, you must give Brian props for that. Dreamer's Ball has about 17 different chords. Wow. Imagine playing that live; I was just personally impressed when I first attempted to play the acoustic of that. |
Lady Cool Cat 26.01.2005 06:16 |
Yes,Brian May! |
Iam the one 26.01.2005 16:24 |
There's a few worth mention i guess.It depends on the genere of chourse,but here's a hand ful of really,really good guitar players of all time. Brian H.May Steve Howe (Yes) steve Vai James Hetfield(Metallica) Dimebag Darell(Pantera/damageplan) Jimmy Page (Led Zepp) Tony Iommi(Sabbath) Eddie Van Halen(Van Halen) |
dave2005 26.01.2005 16:51 |
Brian May |
deleted user 27.01.2005 07:51 |
Brian May ofcorse :P who else ?????? |
GreatKingSam 27.01.2005 08:10 |
Matt Bellamy is a pretty damn good guitarist. Dont shoot me for saying this, but I liken him to Brian May, who is a hero of his. Similar kind of player I spose, very technical, lots of gadgets. One of the best guitarists in this country at the moment in my opinion. Whether Im allowed to say Wes Borland or not without the possibilty of getting cained, I dont know, but there is no covering up that hes got skills. I wouldnt think many on here would have the limpbizkit album Three Dollar Bills, but he is pretty class on some of them songs. |
Awesome-O _4000 27.01.2005 17:17 |
<font color=#8A2BE2> Linda Of The Valley wrote:Knopfler!!!! That's it!!! I knew I was close (see previous post)the_hero wrote:Mark Knopfler, Yngwie Malmsteen...Brian May isn't the only amazing guitarist! :-P<font color="#009933">grapefruit</font> wrote: Brian May ofcorse :P who else ??????Eric Clapton, Ritchie Blackmore, Jimmy Page, Jimi Hendrix, Jan Akkerman, Tony Iommi for example And yes, I did not metion Clapton in my list. He's definitely amazing, but I don't enjoy him as much as others guitarists... that's MY bias I suppose. |
tymd 28.01.2005 03:09 |
Jimmy Page, Brian May,Jimi Hendricks,Jeff Beck,Alvin Lee -Ten Years After,Stevie Ray Vaughn,Carlos Santana ,Steve Howe of YES,Pete Townsend ,Carl Perkins,Chuck Berry.Albert King. |
The Real Wizard 28.01.2005 10:55 |
Awesome-O _4000 wrote: *Best at displaying emotion: Brian May *Best for best technical playing: Jimmy Hendrix *Best at playing complicated rhythems: Jimmy Page *Best at playing fast: Slash and Knoffner (spelling?) *Best Songwriting guitarist: Brian May *Not really best but whom cannot NOT be mentioned: David Gilmour (he's magical really, but you can't quite put your finger on what it is about him) *Best IMHO because he is FABULOUS: BRIAN MAY.That is one of the most misinformed guitarist lists I have ever read. It's time for some people here to open their horizons and hear some more guitar players: Pat Metheny Steve Rothery Steve Morse Eric Johnson Steve Vai Steve Howe John Petrucci Wes Montgomery Allan Holdsworth Al DiMeola George Lynch Phil Keaggy Opinions aside, most of these guys have styles of playing that bear little resemblance to the classic rockers we all know and love. From a technical perspective, these above few put most others to shame - and personal opinion decides how good they are at songwriting and conveying emotion. So before you start saying that Marillon, Yes, Dream Theater, and the Dixie Dregs "suck", don't go slagging them off as musicians because *you* can't connect with them. Keep in mind, most quality and lasting music takes several listens to truly appreciate it. A huge chunk of the songs that are liked on the first listen are disposable pop that do not and will not last through the ages. As I said in another topic: Pop is less than 10% of the industry, but it is 95% of the radio. |
Boy Thomas Raker 28.01.2005 11:34 |
Nuno Bettencourt rules. He was on The Late, Late Show on Monday and he's so fucking good it's a joke. He destroys as a rhythm player and his lead is amazing. Population 1 is his new band and if you like heavy melodic rock check them out at link. |
brian_may_wannabe 28.01.2005 11:34 |
brian may. |
RohemianBapsody 28.01.2005 16:51 |
George Formby was a good ukelele player .... when I'm cleaning windows |
Awesome-O _4000 28.01.2005 23:44 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Excuse me? Please do not insult my intelligence or assume you know more than me. If my list evokes such feelings, that's fine, but how dare you blatantly accuse me of being shallow and idiotic?Awesome-O _4000 wrote: *Best at displaying emotion: Brian May *Best for best technical playing: Jimmy Hendrix *Best at playing complicated rhythems: Jimmy Page *Best at playing fast: Slash and Knoffner (spelling?) *Best Songwriting guitarist: Brian May *Not really best but whom cannot NOT be mentioned: David Gilmour (he's magical really, but you can't quite put your finger on what it is about him) *Best IMHO because he is FABULOUS: BRIAN MAY.That is one of the most misinformed guitarist lists I have ever read. It's time for some people here to open their horizons and hear some more guitar players: Pat Metheny Steve Rothery Steve Morse Eric Johnson Steve Vai Steve Howe John Petrucci Wes Montgomery Allan Holdsworth Al DiMeola George Lynch Phil Keaggy Opinions aside, most of these guys have styles of playing that bear little resemblance to the classic rockers we all know and love. From a technical perspective, these above few put most others to shame - and personal opinion decides how good they are at songwriting and conveying emotion. So before you start saying that Marillon, Yes, Dream Theater, and the Dixie Dregs "suck", don't go slagging them off as musicians because *you* can't connect with them. Keep in mind, most quality and lasting music takes several listens to truly appreciate it. A huge chunk of the songs that are liked on the first listen are disposable pop that do not and will not last through the ages. As I said in another topic: Pop is less than 10% of the industry, but it is 95% of the radio. DO NOT put words into my mouth, Yes and Dream Theater are phenominal... how dare you? WHY PUT THE WORDS "SUCK" INTO QUOTATIONS WHEN I'VE NEVER ONCE SAID THAT WORD TO DESCRIBE MUSIC. Ever. Try and find it... I dare you. As for voicing my opinion on songwriting quality, why should I be insluted for saying Brian May is the best songwriting guitarist? OF COURSE IT'S MY OPINION. Every guitarist you mentioned is good IN YOUR OPINION, why put your opinions above mine? OBVIOUSLY if I cannot connect w/ a guitarist I won't like him. That's what music is all about anyway. Are you suggesting that Queen, Led Zeppelin, GunsN'Roses, Pink Floyd, Dire Straits, and Hendrix are NOT lasting music and are "disposable pop"??? I'm guessing not. Finally, if you want to list every eccentric or not so "classic" guitarist ever, you left a LOT out, including Billy Howerdel. Don't EVEN get me started. |
Marcotog 26.02.2006 19:57 |
1. Brian May 2. John Petrucci 3. Steve Morse 4. Mark Knopfler |
TheImpossibleMan 26.02.2006 22:57 |
Everyone who listed Brian as the best guitarist of all time is a clown. Brian is great, but let's get serious, he's not a top 5 guitarist of all time. Top five rock guitarists: 1.) Jimmy Page 2.) Eric Clapton 3.) Jimi Hendrix 4.) Eddie Van Halen 5.) Stevie Ray Vaughn Brian, like Pete Townshend, is a great-without-being-transcednet guitarist. He's superb, but not one of the best of all time. |
teleman 26.02.2006 23:42 |
I love the way Brian May plays guitar. Do I think he's the best? Some days his playing affects me the most. On those days, for me, yes he's the best. On other days another guitarist may affect me. I don't care if they are the most technically proficient. I only care that I get something from their music. |
The Real Wizard 27.02.2006 00:08 |
TheImpossibleMan wrote: Everyone who listed Brian as the best guitarist of all time is a clown. Brian is great, but let's get serious, he's not a top 5 guitarist of all time. Top five rock guitarists: 1.) Jimmy Page 2.) Eric Clapton 3.) Jimi Hendrix 4.) Eddie Van Halen 5.) Stevie Ray VaughnFrom what perspective are you talking? Speed? Creativity? Technical proficiency? Virtuosity? Songwriting abilities? Originality? Influence on popular music? You need to be specific. If you're talking about creativity, then you've got guys like Page and Clapton. Originality: While Page was a great writer and a great influence, he didn't impact the evolution of the guitar as much as Eddie Van Halen or Hendrix. Brian May is a very under-rated and original player, and he does not get the credit in the mainstream he deserves. Nobody constructed or constructs guitar orchestras as Brian did. He was so unique that anyone who would even partially emulate him would be accused of ripping him off. Speed/virtuosity/technicality: None of the above. Jazz players and shredders own these categories. If I had to pick one best rock guitarist, it would be Steve Howe, hands down. He is pretty much the entire package. He can do things that every other classic rock guitarist wishes they could do. |
mike hunt 27.02.2006 00:49 |
while I agree Mr. may is much underated like someone else mentioned he's not a top 5 great. Hendrix was truly the best, he was way before his time. clapton and beck also. I personally think brian is a top 10 to 15 of the greatest rock guitarist ever. |
Joeker 27.02.2006 01:10 |
Angus young, after Brian May. |
TheImpossibleMan 27.02.2006 01:24 |
Sir GH wrote: Originality: While Page was a great writer and a great influence, he didn't impact the evolution of the guitar as much as Eddie Van Halen or Hendrix.Page was the first heavy metal/hard rock guitarist of all time. To say he didn't impact the evolution of the guitar is absurd. His aggresive, powerful style influenced pretty much every guitarist that came after. Van Halen, for example, said that it was Page's solo on "Heartbreaker" that inspired him to perfect the guitar-tapping technique. His style strongly influenced guys like Angus Young, Tony Iommi, and of course Brian May. Sir GH wrote: Brian May is a very under-rated and original player, and he does not get the credit in the mainstream he deserves. Nobody constructed or constructs guitar orchestras as Brian did. He was so unique that anyone who would even partially emulate him would be accused of ripping him off.Agree. May had a very distinct style, and his ability to have the Red Special produce sounds that resembled trumpets, horns, and all manner of instruments was excellent. But I don't see anyone trying to play like May, which says a lot about his influence. He was more influential as a songwriter than as a guitarist. Sir GH wrote: Speed/virtuosity/technicality: None of the above. Jazz players and shredders own these categories.That's why I specifically said rock guitarists. Sir GH wrote: If I had to pick one best rock guitarist, it would be Steve Howe, hands down. He is pretty much the entire package. He can do things that every other classic rock guitarist wishes they could do.Completely disagree. Jimmy Page is the most complete guitarist of all time. |
mike hunt 27.02.2006 03:58 |
Brians had an influence on rock guitarist like slash and van halen, but the reason why I can't put brian in the top 5 is the reasons 'stated above' guitarist always bring up guys like page, hendrix, clapton, eddie van halen. These guys had a huge influence, now I know brians had a big influence on rock guitarist also, just not as much. |
deleted user 27.02.2006 12:56 |
I think Ritche Blackmore who played with deep purple and formed the great band Rainbow is the best but Brian is definitely 2nd best |
Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 27.02.2006 18:28 |
What do you mean - style or notes per sec? If first Brian is the first. If second, I think Blackmore, yes, you are right. |
Sherwood Forest 27.02.2006 18:33 |
id say jimmy hendrix, Brian May, Jimmy Page |
abe 27.02.2006 21:20 |
Some excellent guitarist have been mentioned on this thread, these are my favourite, not based on popularity but my opinion in style, technique and sound. My top 5 are: 1. Eddie Van Halen 2. Vinnie Vincent 3. Brian May 4. Steve Lukather (Toto) 5. KK Downing |
teleman 27.02.2006 21:28 |
With all of the different guitarists mentioned in this thread it is clear that there is no quantifiable measurement to determine who is the best.(Jeff Beck) It is all subject to the taste of the listener. The one guitarist we seem to have in common is Brian May. I guess he's pretty good for all of us Queenzoners. |
The Real Wizard 28.02.2006 00:42 |
TheImpossibleMan wrote: Page was the first heavy metal/hard rock guitarist of all time. To say he didn't impact the evolution of the guitar is absurd. His aggresive, powerful style influenced pretty much every guitarist that came after. Van Halen, for example, said that it was Page's solo on "Heartbreaker" that inspired him to perfect the guitar-tapping technique. His style strongly influenced guys like Angus Young, Tony Iommi, and of course Brian May.Yeah, I guess you're right! It's Page's sloppiness that often gives me a low view of him, but of course I realize how important he still is. |
val 29467 28.02.2006 10:50 |
brian may, who else |
its_a_hard_life 26994 28.02.2006 11:19 |
Brian May :D |
john bodega 28.02.2006 11:28 |
"But I don't see anyone trying to play like May, which says a lot about his influence. He was more influential as a songwriter than as a guitarist." You're seeing what you want to see then I'm afraid. Nah but really... Brian May is one of the few guitarists who made solos that people can actually 'sing' and have recognised. I've met people at freaking CENTRELINK who've been able to sing me the solo to Killer Queen. Point being, he made memorable solos. And that solo on Invisible Man... sheer madness, it doesn't have to be the 'fastest' or whatever, it's just great stuff! I dunno. Take Steve Vai. Incredible speed, but I don't remember a single song of his. I suppose my priorities on guitar lie elsewhere if that's me philosophy. Paul Gilbert, now there's a guitarist. Again his compositions don't grab me like anything from Queen or Pink Floyd but he's got a set of fingers on him. I would still take Brian May over the others I mentioned here simply because of the emotive quality of his solos. I don't need to mention anything other than the solo from These Are the Days Of Our Lives. |
Boy Thomas Raker 28.02.2006 15:22 |
I once read a quote that said that Jimmy Page on record was a "guitar army", where Brian May was a "guitar orchestra." And that's why I think that Brian's style is more inimitable than any player. EVH brought tapping to the masses, and he spawned an army of tapping clones with his technique. The Edge had his sound of droning, heavily processed guitars, and bands like Big Country and The Alarm followed suit. But Brian's sound is so unique that anyone who copied him ended up sounding like Brian May. Boston sounds very close with their Tom Scholz harmony lines, and when an interviewer stated that he was obviously heavily influenced by Brian he didn't see the resemblance at all. Multi-layered guitars = Brian May. He made the genre his own. |
john bodega 28.02.2006 23:30 |
"He made the genre his own." You are right on the money. However, I'd never tell anyone 'not' to try guitar orchestration, or even not to use it. I mean heck, if rock and roll had stopped with Johnny B Good, where the heck would we be now? I believe that all good music is made of good ideas that should be played with and developed upon. (I also believe that Brian got it right the first time and probably doesn't need 'improving' but it's such an awesome sound, and such wonderful compositions can be made with it). |
The Real Wizard 01.03.2006 00:34 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "He made the genre his own." You are right on the money. However, I'd never tell anyone 'not' to try guitar orchestration, or even not to use it. I mean heck, if rock and roll had stopped with Johnny B Good, where the heck would we be now? I believe that all good music is made of good ideas that should be played with and developed upon. (I also believe that Brian got it right the first time and probably doesn't need 'improving' but it's such an awesome sound, and such wonderful compositions can be made with it).Two words: Good Company. |
mike hunt 01.03.2006 01:32 |
did someone mention k.k Downing?...I think glen tipton is the better of the two, but kk is good. Not as good as brian may though. |
abe 01.03.2006 04:47 |
Yeah I mentioned KK Downing, I think he is more flamboyant and wild in he's playing, whilst Tipton is more controlled sounding in he's solo's. KK would probably be the first to admit technical wise Tipton is more advanced, but its heavy meatl/rock, and KK Downing has that more aggrsssive and free flowing sound. |
Freddie_Jr. 01.03.2006 20:43 |
I am the best guitarist actually, but I haven't made it big yet, so in the meantime it's Jimmy Page. |
mike hunt 02.03.2006 03:21 |
yea I agree, kk downing rocks.... I'm not a huge Iron Maiden fan like I once was, but how about dave murray or adrian smith?...they were pretty solid guitarists! In the the eighties we would always compare Judas priest and Iron Maidens guitar work, I'm still not sure who was better. |
john bodega 02.03.2006 07:40 |
"I am the best guitarist actually, but I haven't made it big yet, so in the meantime it's Jimmy Page." Hhaahah. Unless you are Jason Becker and you've magically cured your Lou Gehrig's disease... I doubt your statement, but I get the mentality. How many guitarists does it take to change a lightbulb? ONE - and twenty more to say they could've done it better. There's this very odd duality going on. I think I'm the best when I'm really going off, but of course I'm not. The thing is to just not give a damn, just play like a God, doesn't matter if there's only two people around at the time. I have to say I hate some of the competition when it comes to guitar. The best stuff is born when we collaborate, rather than compete. |
firefox-inqueen 03.03.2006 12:48 |
Other guitarists can play fast and loud but brian could play for ages n ages. Brian 1# |
Cricket Nutter 03.03.2006 16:39 |
<font color=blue>Rick wrote: Brian May offcourse, but Steve Lukather, Jimmy Page, Slash etc. are also very good guitarists!We have similiar tastes :D Toto, Led Zep and GnR are all in my top 10 favourite bands! And obviously Queen. Being completely objective, there a few better guitarists, including some of May's biggest influences (Jeff Beck, Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton). In greatness terms, then all them, plus Chuck Berry, Tony Iommi, Ritchie Blackmore and Eddie Van Halen. Thats in rock, if we included everything else then BB King, Djangho Reinhardt, Pat Methany etc would be tops. But I'm a drum expert, not guitar! May is probably my favourite, and is great to boot. |
Cricket Nutter 03.03.2006 16:41 |
Awesome-O _4000 wrote: *Best at displaying emotion: Brian May (Hes one of them, but a few top him, like Dave Gilmour) *Best for best technical playing: Jimmy Hendrix (No way! He had little technical ability. Listen to Steve Vai or something lol. May had Hendrix in technical ability even) *Best at playing complicated rhythems: Jimmy Page (Rhythms no, but his riff making was absolutely insane.) *Best at playing fast: Slash and Knoffner (spelling?) (Neither are quick really, glad you've mentioned Knopfler though, great guitarist. Speed would go to a shredder like Rusty Cooley or Yngwie Malmsteen.) *Best Songwriting guitarist: Brian May ( :-D) *Not really best but whom cannot NOT be mentioned: David Gilmour (he's magical really, but you can't quite put your finger on what it is about him) (His soloing! And emotion) *Best IMHO because he is FABULOUS: BRIAN MAY. (Definitely!) |
abe 03.03.2006 22:24 |
To Mike Hunt Yeah Adrian Smith and Dave Murray are exceptionally good guitarists, I also like Maiden heaps. To be honest I think Smith and Murray are more technically better guitarists that Priest, the solos and compositins they play are more complex than that of Tipton and KK. |
mike hunt 05.03.2006 01:28 |
I think your right!...I might give murray and smith the edge. Maidens stuff is more technical and Nicko mcbrian is a solid drumer. |
VoxAC30BM 28.03.2006 15:56 |
Peter Buck |
Freddie_Jr. 28.03.2006 20:15 |
Jimmy Page was the best I think Brian May writes better though |
manu-86-mi 29.03.2006 15:28 |
I say Brian May, of course.. but great guitarists are: E. Van Halen, Jimi Hendrix, Steve Vai, Slash, Jimmy Page, Yngwie Malmsteen, Joe Satriani. For me Brian is always the best ;-) |
Freddie_Jr. 29.03.2006 20:06 |
see you are confused. You think Brian May is the best because of his writing skills, which his writing is the best of the guitarist, but overall Jimmy Page is the best =) |
manu-86-mi 30.03.2006 00:06 |
I'm not confused! It's just my opinion :-) Best Wishes!!!!!! |
The Real Wizard 30.03.2006 15:15 |
Freddie_Jr. wrote: overall Jimmy Page is the best =)You really haven't heard a lot of guitar players, then. Have a look at these lists below. Make sure you read the criteria. It's more than just their guitar playing abilities alone. If that were the case, then Jimmy Page wouldn't make the top 1000. link link link |
Boy Thomas Raker 30.03.2006 15:39 |
There is no 'Best Guitarist.' On the list Sir GH posted, Brian May is #143, Eric Clapton #24. Brian can rock harder and faster by a mile than EC. His playing is far more versatile, he was one of the first guitarists to tap on record. He's a better guitarist in every way shape or form than Eric Clapton. Of course, Nuno Bettencourt can play circles around both of them, and he isn't on the list. |
VoxAC30BM 30.03.2006 15:49 |
BHM 0271 wrote: Brian can rock harder and faster by a mile than EC. His playing is far more versatile, he was one of the first guitarists to tap on record. He's a better guitarist in every way shape or form than Eric Clapton. Of course, Nuno Bettencourt can play circles around both of them, and he isn't on the list.I disagree, Sir |
Shadowlands 30.03.2006 19:42 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:I don't think music should lower itself to "best of"'s, but this list is interesting. It uses criteria like innovation, a word that probably needs to be defined for the hard-of-understanding on this website.Freddie_Jr. wrote: overall Jimmy Page is the best =)link Wank-words like "legendary status" however, do let it down somewhat. I agree that Django, Segovia, and the Mahavishnu, John McLaughlin should be there. But to rank Steve Vai higher than Brian May in a survey which supposedly brings in innovation, legendary status, style, live energy...? Surely there's a boo-boo been made here. And where IS Pete Townshend? Where are Carl and Luther Perkins? Where is Gary Moore? (before anyone cries foul, go and listen to his 80's live album as a sampler, not this rubbish he churns out these days). Where is Michael Hedges, whom I had the pleasure of seeing as support to Suzanne Vega many years ago in the Ulster Hall? Anyway. I'm just a woman. I shall leave these serious matters to the men-folk... |
Shadowlands 30.03.2006 19:48 |
Maybe I missed this somewhere in the thread, but John Deacon did well.... Placed higher than Phil Lynott! link And even Roger gets a mention link |
Boy Thomas Raker 31.03.2006 00:06 |
I respectfully honour your opinion VoxAC30BM, which is why I have no use for lists. Using my criteria, EC isn't a fast enough player to play the solo for Dead on Time or It's Late (IMHO.) I think Brian is a very emotional player, moreso than EC (IMHO.) I don't think EC has ever created anything as glorious as Good Company on the guitar (IMHO.) If you listen to the new agey, acoustic tour de force on Extreme's Midnight Express, or something like Paint the town red from Mourning Widows, neither BM or EC could play that quick and clean. Does that make them inferior guitarists to Nuno Bettencourt? I don't know. I do know that Nuno can finger pick, shred, play classical and flamenco, all with speed and emotion. IMHO, that makes him a better player than BM and EC. My favourite guitarist by a mile though? Brian May. His stuff hits me like no one before or since, although Nuno is close. |
LucyCoeCollins 31.03.2006 02:08 |
eric clapton mic ronson brian may |
VoxAC30BM 31.03.2006 15:43 |
BHM 0271 wrote: I respectfully honour your opinion VoxAC30BM, which is why I have no use for lists. Using my criteria, EC isn't a fast enough player to play the solo for Dead on Time or It's Late (IMHO.) I think Brian is a very emotional player, moreso than EC (IMHO.) I don't think EC has ever created anything as glorious as Good Company on the guitar (IMHO.) If you listen to the new agey, acoustic tour de force on Extreme's Midnight Express, or something like Paint the town red from Mourning Widows, neither BM or EC could play that quick and clean. Does that make them inferior guitarists to Nuno Bettencourt? I don't know. I do know that Nuno can finger pick, shred, play classical and flamenco, all with speed and emotion. IMHO, that makes him a better player than BM and EC. My favourite guitarist by a mile though? Brian May. His stuff hits me like no one before or since, although Nuno is close.Excuse me, "Dead on Time" isn't present in my memory at the moment but I'm asking to myself "Where is a fast part in It's Late?". I'm sure Mr. Clapton can play it while he is asleep. Even I can !!! (only at the end, with all those downstrokes it's too fast for me...never practiced such things...cause it's meaningless) Have you seen him playing at Live Aid (1985)? Don't tell me that he couldn't play as fast as Brian. I guess you don't know Eric Clapton really. Anyway...playing fast isnt important at all. Guitarplaying isnt an olympic sport. Eric got the blues and can rock too. Brian rocks. Nuno mainly does touch-tapping. This isn't guitarplaying in my view. But of course, he can play "normal" too and sure he can play everything from Queen. |
Micrówave 31.03.2006 16:33 |
You're having a "Best Guitarist Ever" list and no one mentions Les Paul or Robert Johnson, the two who invented and perfected guitar playing? Dimebag Daryl????? Okay kids, let the adults answer. At least Chet Atkins was mentioned! What about Larry Carlton? Obviously the best (and most used) player of the 70s. |
Micrówave 31.03.2006 16:36 |
Shadowlands wrote: Where is Michael Hedges, whom I had the pleasure of seeing as support to Suzanne Vega many years ago in the Ulster Hall? Anyway. I'm just a woman. I shall leave these serious matters to the men-folk...No need to apologize, you obviously know a lot more than a lot of people here. RIP Michael Hedges. $#@!-ing genius. |
Boy Thomas Raker 31.03.2006 16:38 |
I realize that guitar playing isn't all fast VoxAC30BM, which is why I don't understand the whole 'Best Guitarist' thing. What's the criteria? I know EC doesn't play Layla at speed anymore because he acknowledged that he has trouble with the opening. I think Brian can play faster, but there's a thousand guys who play faster. Nuno taps once in a blue moon, if people know him from Extreme they may think that, but he plays all styles flawlessly. For my money, Brian plays all styles melodically and beautifully. I think he's more capable as a rock guitarist than Clapton will ever be, although I appreciate Clapton's early work in re-inventing what the electric guitar was, along with Hendrix. For the money, Brian thinks Eddie Van Halen is the best rock guitarist ever. Rolling Stone thinks Jack White of the White Stripes is a better guitarist than EVH so we're all happily right or wrong! |
VoxAC30BM 31.03.2006 17:12 |
I think a strong reason why Brian plays more beautiful/melodic than Clapton is that Brian uses often major or minor "classic" scales, whereas Clapton restricts himself to the Blues. I don't know if all people hear music like we do, maybe people with another cultural background find Blues more beautiful/melodic than "classic" Rock. |
Hooligan's Holiday 31.03.2006 19:12 |
<font color=green>Linda Of The Valley wrote:Sorry. Last year we started Best Drummer topic and I hadn't gone beyond the Hot Topics list then. Don't judge me, I was 11.*39* wrote: No one's talked about that yet....No, never in the history of Queenzone has it crossed the minds of all queenzoners to discuss their fav guitarists and the best ones in their opinion. My, how DID you come up with a thread like this? |
M a t i a s M a y 11.04.2006 02:22 |
Brian for his playing quality. Always accurate and clever solos. Very very original. Just great. Jason Becker for... do I need to explain? Damn, he was GOD. |
Poo, again 11.04.2006 09:21 |
We all know that Brian is awesome, but so are Jimmy Page and George Harrison. |
M a t i a s M a y 11.04.2006 12:29 |
If you think Jimmy Page is as good as Brian, you should think twice xDDDDDD |
Poo, again 11.04.2006 14:30 |
You wanna take this outside? |
zone 11.04.2006 16:46 |
SIR GH-George Lynch I've never heard a more boring guitarist in my life.Steve How now there's an amazing guitar player.To each his own I guess. |
M a t i a s M a y 11.04.2006 16:52 |
The Millionaire Waltz wrote: You wanna take this outside?Take your best shot, ass shaped head. |
Poo, again 12.04.2006 08:45 |
MatiasMay wrote:Oh, I will. I just have to get out of bed with your mother first...! ;)The Millionaire Waltz wrote: You wanna take this outside?Take your best shot, ass shaped head. |
M a t i a s M a y 12.04.2006 09:12 |
why do you always insult someone's mother?? did your father rape you when you were kid? |
Poo, again 12.04.2006 12:30 |
No, he did not rape me, but how about you? |
M a t i a s M a y 12.04.2006 13:27 |
he dind't. But I'm pretty sure your father DID rape you when you were a little boy, so that's the reason why you are a stupid bastard. :) |
The Real Wizard 12.04.2006 13:29 |
BHM 0271 wrote: There is no 'Best Guitarist.' On the list Sir GH posted, Brian May is #143, Eric Clapton #24. Brian can rock harder and faster by a mile than EC. His playing is far more versatile, he was one of the first guitarists to tap on record. He's a better guitarist in every way shape or form than Eric Clapton. Of course, Nuno Bettencourt can play circles around both of them, and he isn't on the list."Criteria: - These are the 100 greatest guitarists of all genres of music and styles of guitar. They were picked for their importance in the guitar world including innovation, respect from other guitarists, influence on both other players as well as on styles of playing, impact, legendary status, and overall importance on shaping the guitar world. Plus for the playing abilities including technique, creativity, versatility, musical depth & expression both in composing & performing, live energy and improv skills, and originality." With that in mind, I completely agree with the placements of Clapton and May. Clapton is a much more influential guitarist than May. I love Brian, but it's a fact. Shadowlands wrote: But to rank Steve Vai higher than Brian May in a survey which supposedly brings in innovation, legendary status, style, live energy...? Surely there's a boo-boo been made here.Hey, I don't always agree with the digitaldreamdoor guy. But I usually do! These are still the best lists I've ever found in terms of someone being well-informed, and not biasing based on their own tastes. But you have to admit that Steve Vai has inspired more guitarists to pick up the guitar than Brian May. The reality about Queen is that with 99 out of 100 listnerers, Freddie outshadows the other three members of the band. |
Poo, again 12.04.2006 13:43 |
MatiasMay wrote: he dind't. But I'm pretty sure your father DID rape you when you were a little boy, so that's the reason why you are a stupid bastard. :)Aw, it feels like I've known you all my life.... wanna make love? |
M a t i a s M a y 12.04.2006 15:19 |
not now john |
I_Want_to_Break_Free 12.04.2006 19:05 |
I love Brian May - but the best... not sure about that. If I could play like anyone it would be Santana, he has the most soul. I love Queen, I love Brian, but he's been doing the same solo for 20 years. Last Horizon is great because it's a real departure for him - it sounds soulful. I believe on his solo record it was played on a guitar given to him by Eddie Van Halen - that could be Nothin' but blue though. I've misplaced the liner notes. |
M a t i a s M a y 12.04.2006 19:53 |
it wasn't van halen, it was Joe Satriani |
Shadowlands 12.04.2006 21:53 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Actually, I really DON'T have to agree with the Steve Vai thing, and I consider myself fairly unbiased. When we say "influence" what do we mean? How many chart acts or bedroom guitarists or pub bands or respected musos were influenced? I really, *really* don't think that Steve Vai has been more inspirational than Brian.BHM 0271 wrote: There is no 'Best Guitarist.' On the list Sir GH posted, Brian May is #143, Eric Clapton #24. Brian can rock harder and faster by a mile than EC. His playing is far more versatile, he was one of the first guitarists to tap on record. He's a better guitarist in every way shape or form than Eric Clapton. Of course, Nuno Bettencourt can play circles around both of them, and he isn't on the list."Criteria: - These are the 100 greatest guitarists of all genres of music and styles of guitar. They were picked for their importance in the guitar world including innovation, respect from other guitarists, influence on both other players as well as on styles of playing, impact, legendary status, and overall importance on shaping the guitar world. Plus for the playing abilities including technique, creativity, versatility, musical depth & expression both in composing & performing, live energy and improv skills, and originality." With that in mind, I completely agree with the placements of Clapton and May. Clapton is a much more influential guitarist than May. I love Brian, but it's a fact.Shadowlands wrote: But to rank Steve Vai higher than Brian May in a survey which supposedly brings in innovation, legendary status, style, live energy...? Surely there's a boo-boo been made here.Hey, I don't always agree with the digitaldreamdoor guy. But I usually do! These are still the best lists I've ever found in terms of someone being well-informed, and not biasing based on their own tastes. But you have to admit that Steve Vai has inspired more guitarists to pick up the guitar than Brian May. The reality about Queen is that with 99 out of 100 listnerers, Freddie outshadows the other three members of the band. So let's be clear on this. You think that Steve Vai has "inspired" more guitarists to learn the instrument than Brian May? Leaving aside record sales, might you want to use sheet music sales as a guide? While I respect the right for you to have an opinion and publicise it on the net best known as inter, I really think you're on a hiding to nothing on this one. I may even have to postulate that Clapton's long term influence is waning as he is shown up for the over-rated one-riff wonder that a lot of us always thought he was. But that's just my opinion. And sure, I'm only a woman, she said, self-deprecatingly. |
Shadowlands 12.04.2006 21:54 |
Actually, I'm stopping now. As I think I said much earlier, we;ve reduced music to a competition with threads like this. And to my shame I've joined in. Ta-ta H |
Boy Thomas Raker 13.04.2006 09:24 |
That's true Shadowlands, music can't be judged as a sporting event would be. For example, in the 80s, EVH inspired tons of players, more than Brian ever would have. Today? Not too many VH sounding guitarists. So while Eddie Van Halen indisputeably inspired more players at a point in time, I'd say that Brian's melodic style has stood the test of time better. EVH is an amazing rhythm player, and faster lead player than Brian. Yet Brian has written and performed what is arguably the most heard guitar piece ever (We will rock you), and his stylistic versatility and output (guitar orchestration, jazz band simulation, flamence, funk, metal, skiffle) is probably greater and more adventurous than EVH's body of work. Given those things, how can you say that one or the other is better than the other? Using EC as the example, if he's better than Brian, is he 114 places better than Brian? Tough call. |
john bodega 13.04.2006 11:08 |
MatiasMay wrote: why do you always insult someone's mother?? did your father rape you when you were kid?Well, down the list you go... |