| Mcm 23.01.2005 05:39 |
In the good old days of course, there would probably only be one or two audio bootlegs per show plus maybe, the occasional shaky video. In 2005, we've nearly all got cell-phones that do everything including taking full video. I'll be using a sony ericsson s700i which can record 18 minute chunks of 176*120 video with sound at a cost of 10mb space. I reckon at this rate, allowing for the memory card, i'll have the capacity to record just about two hours of footage - providing the battery lasts out. Is anyone else gonna be doing anything similar? It'd be great if everyone shared their footage and perhaps one of the technical genius's on this board could put them all together for our very own 'fans perspective' multi-cam dvd. |
| Banshee 23.01.2005 09:28 |
I'm betting there will be professional bootleggers in the same room as I. ;) |
| Jjeroen 23.01.2005 12:59 |
Is there someone in my room??! ;-))) |
| deleted user 23.01.2005 13:24 |
I'm betting that at least 95% of the gigs of this tour will be available on the bootleg circuit. |
| Penetration_Guru 23.01.2005 14:58 |
Take a spare phone battery.... |
| We Are The Champions 24.01.2005 10:25 |
<font color=red>Look beyond the Innuendo wrote: I'm betting that at least 95% of the gigs of this tour will be available on the bootleg circuit.Bootlegging on this tour is a certainty....and bootlegs will be flying around after Brixton......first Queen related show since 1986 and first UK date and all that.....you bet your life. |
| Mr. Scully 24.01.2005 10:47 |
I will describe you how the entrance to Sazka Arena in Prague looks like. Personal search -> metal detector -> another personal search. Now tell me how the hell am I supposed to bring in my minidisc recorder? They're able to find EVERYTHING. |
| sexmachine 24.01.2005 11:20 |
Mr. Scully wrote: I will describe you how the entrance to Sazka Arena in Prague looks like. Personal search -> metal detector -> another personal search. Now tell me how the hell am I supposed to bring in my minidisc recorder? They're able to find EVERYTHING.hmmm,thanks for this info,because i wanted to bring my equipment too. so, a possibillity is: hang around at the venue>try to find some people who work there,esp.stage-hands> ask them to bring your stuff in(and to sell their crew-shirt and workingpass after the show. does anyone know about the other venues having a metal detector??maybe we shoud make a topic about this. and ....i have metal in my jeans,zipp buttons so they won´t make me go through the metal detector with my underpants!(where i hide my md) |
| Jjeroen 24.01.2005 12:11 |
Now that's a good one, Scully! Is there anybody that could give that same kind of information about Milan, Frankfurt and Dortmund?? |
| j0ck3 24.01.2005 12:15 |
I will defintely bootleg the Stockholm gig wich I will go to. I shall call it "Alright Stockholm" or something like that. Will be distributed via the Queen Hub. |
| akan 24.01.2005 12:24 |
i've spoken a lot about the bootleging of the concerts of the 2005 tour but i fear that they'll put metal detectors in all the shows entrances if we keep on talking about the bootlegs eheh |
| Jjeroen 24.01.2005 12:27 |
You're right! ;-) PLEASE DELETE TOPIC, YV! ;-))) |
| Penetration_Guru 24.01.2005 16:18 |
Oh yeah, cos the management of the venues will be spending 8 hours a day looking to see what we're planning..... The answer is to have your "equipment" next to your "equipment", get searched by a female, and tell her when her lights go off that you have some intimate piercings... |
| FairyKing 24.01.2005 17:15 |
"any utilization of audio and video recording equipment which is not authorized by the Organizer if forbidden" Does it include cameras? I wanna make 1000 photos, as I don't have 'luxury' mobile phones and so on... Any help is much appreciated. |
| wstüssyb 24.01.2005 18:34 |
nope, I know for a fact they dont let you bring camara's in, now days they wont let you bring your cell phone in cuz the pictures you can get, dunno about euroland. Pretty sure how Brian feels about bootlegs, lets see if they allow cell phones. |
| FairyKing 24.01.2005 18:44 |
Gosh...once I used to take a camera look like a kinda cheesburger. I used some paper and things for the package and I menaged to enter a Robert Plant concert like this! Do you really think i won't be able to enter like that? What if i take the camera and they say me I can't? can i put it somewhere else and enter? But..where??? |
| onevsion 24.01.2005 20:32 |
The only way queen productions can stop the bootlegging is by doing the same thing Pearl Jam, bjork, metallica and many other bands do: Release it! Perfect would be: *Record the shows in excellent soundboard quality *Put them on their download website in lossless format (FLAC) *Make them available for download (at a normal price: €5 for a concert) Of course this will NOT happen... Taping the show is the answer! There are great new minidisc portables out there... also fantastic battery packs and quite good little stereo omnidirectional microphones... taping a show in an exclellent- quality isn't that impossible. Brian May loves bootlegs and hates copy control. I don't think queen productions will be that stupid to make taping impossible. There is nothing wrong with taping or sharing stuff with the FANS. SELLING bootlegs on the otherhand is WRONG! Tapers are doing it for their love of the music. Bootleggers who sell concerts are ripping fans off. |
| VGB 24.01.2005 21:35 |
Mcm wrote: In the good old days of course, there would probably only be one or two audio bootlegs per show plus maybe, the occasional shaky video. In 2005, we've nearly all got cell-phones that do everything including taking full video. I'll be using a sony ericsson s700i which can record 18 minute chunks of 176*120 video with sound at a cost of 10mb space. I reckon at this rate, allowing for the memory card, i'll have the capacity to record just about two hours of footage - providing the battery lasts out. Is anyone else gonna be doing anything similar? It'd be great if everyone shared their footage and perhaps one of the technical genius's on this board could put them all together for our very own 'fans perspective' multi-cam dvd.just fyi 176x120 video is definetly not DVD quality or would look good being transferred to DVD, considering DVD rez is 720x480 I film for a video website and from experience even in the US (where I assuem in some markets they would play smaller venues)Bootlegging would be impossibly hard. Say Queen were to play a 1000 seating theater in the most random place in the US (such as say...Denver, Colorado). Any venue over 1000 people in a small Queen market such as denver will stop you at the door with cam/audio equipment unless you have a pass from the band. You might get away with a well hidden audio recorder, but I wouldnt; take the risk of losing a spot in line to have to go back and put it in my car, casue they venues will not hold them for you. |
| FairyKing 24.01.2005 22:29 |
That's bad news...and what about if I just shoot pics? I can't take also my camera right? |
| inu-liger 24.01.2005 23:55 |
Hey, if people got away with taping the 3rd Harry Potter movie even with all the added security, or in an older case, the Freddie Mercury 2001 gig with BM/RT, I'm sure people will find a way. "Where there's a will, there's a way" |
| Mcm 25.01.2005 01:45 |
VGB - you make perfectly sensible and reasonable points on this subject but i really can't see the venues being able to refuse entry to people carrying cell phones. It's a health and safety issue. For most people, a phone is like a lifeline especially for young people in a concert situation where you're potentially miles from home. I'll be discreet with it upon entering but for the UK gigs anyway, I'll create merry hell if they try to prevent me from bringing it into the venue. I know 176*144(as i have just discovered it to be) is really dreadful quality, but i suppose it's better than nothing. Ducksoup is absolutely correct above - it's a fans thing and not a commercial enterprise. |
| Mr. Scully 25.01.2005 02:40 |
"The answer is to have your "equipment" next to your "equipment", get searched by a female, and tell her when her lights go off that you have some intimate piercings..." Well, first of all, in Sazka Arena females are being searched by females and males by males. Secondly, they also have these small handy metal detectors which (I think) allow them to make a really thorough search - I mean they can for sure find out if it's a small piercing or a big minidisc recorder. |
| deleted user 25.01.2005 08:24 |
I find all the security checks in Prague very odd; in Italy, as law, you can't get so deeply checked, it's something against privacy I guess and I agree. Let's say the truth: bootleging is something against the law and this is for sure. But I don't feel guilty at all because I don't sell my recordings nor I get profit from them; I'm a super fanatic and I just want a souvenir of the shows I've been. They should use the security staff and hire some more people to stop the sharks who just get profit from the recordings, charging real fans very high prices!!! Stop all the bad people who are selling hundreds tickets on ebay for fool prices! Stop all the people who sells video and audio recordings on ebay and internet forums or stalls! Leave the loyal fans alone and let them to get their due recording of the show, for Queen's sake!! |
| Jjeroen 25.01.2005 13:35 |
Thanks Luca, for partly answering my question! I now know what to do ;-))) |
| 3137prof 25.01.2005 16:52 |
Queen probably wouldn't mind the gis being bootlegged, seeing as they release them now on the Official site and make money from them. And that is for bad quailty recordings. I am sure that if they have got any sense they will be doing a full Video & sound recording of one of the shows on the tour anyway. If they aren't then it would encourage bootlegging more. |
| sexmachine 25.01.2005 18:00 |
most musicians want to have 100% perfect stuff released,and most live recordings have a lot of mistakes,even if we wouldn´t recognize them. thats why a lot of official live recordings have overdubs and a reason why musicians don´t want to have bootlegs or even soundboards released. i think the reason why halls have metal detectors is that they search for weapons and that is good.the directors of the halls probably don´t have a problem if the show is recorded or not.sadfully the security guys at the doors are not very intelligent and low paid. |
| VGB 26.01.2005 02:49 |
Mcm wrote: VGB - you make perfectly sensible and reasonable points on this subject but i really can't see the venues being able to refuse entry to people carrying cell phones. It's a health and safety issue. For most people, a phone is like a lifeline especially for young people in a concert situation where you're potentially miles from home. I'll be discreet with it upon entering but for the UK gigs anyway, I'll create merry hell if they try to prevent me from bringing it into the venue.well I never said anything about cell phones, most venues in the US (at least the ones I've been to) haven't started cracking down on cell phones yet...I dunno why they would the quality on those is really crappy anyways. |
| Mr. Scully 26.01.2005 02:57 |
"i think the reason why halls have metal detectors is that they search for weapons and that is good" This is not America :-) We don't own any weapons at all, we're a very peaceful nation :-) Btw. cell phones are allowed. |
| FairyKing 26.01.2005 03:00 |
I think I'll buy disposable cameras, so if Security stops me I won't complain when I'll throw them up.... |
| Mcm 26.01.2005 09:29 |
Mr. Scully wrote: [/QUOTENAME This is not America :-) We don't own any weapons at all, we're a very peaceful nation :-) Btw. cell phones are allowed......apart from the knife-wielding, drug-selling maniacs at the top of Wenceslas Square. Still, we have our share of violence in England too. Not shooting or anything but Reading town centre on a Friday night is usually full of drunks who want to fight you. As far as metal-detectors are concerned, i think that they are mainly there to stop idiots like that bloke who shot the guitarist that Brian was talking about on his website. If the bottom line is safety, I'd happily give up my bootlegging antics for the safety of all at the gig. |
| Mr. Scully 26.01.2005 09:37 |
".....apart from the knife-wielding, drug-selling maniacs at the top of Wenceslas Square." These are mostly Romanian gypsies or Russian gang members and these usually don't attend Queen concerts :-) No, I get your point. No need to risk anything. But they should really focus on weapons and stop fighting against small photo cameras or MP3 recorders. |
| FairyKing 26.01.2005 10:34 |
After all, remeber what happened to former pantera member killed on stage...or to john lennon. there could be a fan who hates rodgers cos he's just tryin' to 'replace' Freddie... naturally i hope not and i don't think so, but ppl are crazy so it's good if security does its work |
| Mcm 26.01.2005 11:41 |
That's good to hear. Actually, i now feel rather guilty about what i have written above. I thought that the Czech Republic was a fabulous place full of genuinely friendly people and this is one reason that i'm considering going back to Prague for the Queen gig. |
| FairyKing 26.01.2005 11:47 |
Hey guy, don't feel guilty! I posted my message before i could read yours.. World's full of idiots, they're from everywhere, but you know that you never can tell. It's not a small gig, it's a huge event. Let's forget about these things, from now on. |
| FairyKing 26.01.2005 12:03 |
I don't know what it's gonna be in Rome. Romans are quite rough and stupid sometimes. Recently, FIFA disqualified the soccer team several times due the behaviour or Roma's supporters...(they used to hit a referee with a coin and so so on...). It's the Eternal City, but sometimes it seems like it's got the same old Eternal Idiots... You're from Dublin? I'm also an islander...lol |
| Jjeroen 26.01.2005 15:48 |
<font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: Does anyone know how good security at Antwerp's Sportpaleis is?Been there, done that ;-) Piece of cake! Realy! |
| sexmachine 26.01.2005 17:20 |
<font color=#8A2BE2> Linda Of The Valley wrote: :) Can't be as bad as the Spanish (in soccer) :-P They were all racist and that to the English players during Euro...:-P Mr. Scully wrote: t is good" This is not America :-) We don't own any weapons at all, we're a very peaceful nation :-) Btw. cell phones are allowed.neither the spanish are all racists nor the czechs are all peaceful. there is,were and will always be a certain amount of arseholes in every nation,religion and political direction,belive me. sorry,this has nothing to do with the topic but must be said. |
| FairyKing 26.01.2005 17:23 |
Yep, I think you're right |