| tymd 23.01.2005 02:01 |
Sorry, I couldn't resist.Some take this discussion waaaaay too seriously.A little humor never killed anyone-that I know of.PEACE |
| foxxy_moron 23.01.2005 02:58 |
skynyrd are cool! but u know.. Queen are better, as ud expect me to say |
| deleted user 23.01.2005 03:38 |
"Free Bird" and that's about it. For ABB's sake. |
| GiantSpider 23.01.2005 05:25 |
Wow Skynyrd. Next we will be saying: whos better? Roger or Ringo? |
| pma 23.01.2005 12:18 |
Ah, the good old "Skynyrd were racists for this and that reason"-blah blah blah type of queenzone-stepford ignorance smelling in the air once again. It never smells good, just looks ridiculous. Oh hell, why do I even bother? This topic has been discussed before. (everyone can use search) |
| ægishjalmur 23.01.2005 12:51 |
skynyrd??? |
| brENsKi 23.01.2005 14:00 |
skynyrd were a good band - but ultimately they were redneck-racist-bigots - if you ever get to hear Roger's account of the first european tour with them it's pretty hot stuff. he really didn't like them at all. following is from Mojo magazine April 2004: Roger Taylor on Lynyrd Skynyrd: "what were they like?, they were awful. they were southern rednecks and they couldn't believe it when they sawthe four of us caked in makeup and dressed like women. they were outraged, confused and a little frightened, because four nancy boys were giving them a run for their money on stage. in fact, there were actually people from their record company who would stand in the audience holding up banners that said things like 'shit', and 'queen suck'. Things could be unbelievably petty back then - they paid people to heckle us! God Lynyrd Skynyrd. They were arseholes, frankly. When they played that song Freebird it seemed to go on for hours. As i remember they had three lead guitarists. Hmmm, well we only seemed to need one. Absolute arseholes. Later on they had that terrible plane crash, didn't they? Shouldn't speak ill of the dead....bollocks to that!" |
| brENsKi 23.01.2005 14:29 |
linda skinda - you shouldn't correct people and spell it wrong yourself it is LYNYRD SKYNYRD as in link and there's still NINE of the bastards |
| deleted user 23.01.2005 14:42 |
<font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:That's why I said for Allman Brother's Band's sake. I still root for Neil Young, though.<font color=#8A2BE2> Linda Of The Valley wrote:To me, the confederate flag they put up at their shows was just one step too far.<font color="whitesmoke">bambam wrote: "Free Bird" and that's about it. For ABB's sake.Skynrd are great!! They're all amazingly talented and although most take them as a joke (Sweet Home Alabam-they never should've released it-they even said themselves it was supposed to be a joke) but they have great songs and amazing solos. Free Bird, one of them. Was I Right Or Wrong-I love that song!! FYI, I'm not white. |
| 7Innuendo7 23.01.2005 15:20 |
I had the misfortune of seeing LS open for ZZ Top in 1999. What a waste. Of course the Confederate flag represents genocide; a casual study of that regime's practices toward African American and Native AMercians proves the point. If people who complain about Queen playing South Africa had enough journalistic integrity to investigate bands like LS-- just for a nice contrast point in a well-written article, for example-- the difference between Queen and LS would be obvious. Neil Young got it right about LS. Talented musicians, some good songs, but there are still four dead in OHIO, so wake up. |
| RohemianBapsody 23.01.2005 17:44 |
And there some people are moaning about Roger and Brian using the Queen name on tour. |
| Mr.Jingles 23.01.2005 18:33 |
Queen Vs Lynard Skynard... That's like: Brazil 1970 soccer team Vs. Puerto Rico Chicago Bulls 1991 Vs. L.A. Clippers Steven Spielberg Vs. Michael Bay Tom Hanks Vs. Colin Farrell Aretha Franklin Vs. Ashlee Simpson Every thing Roger said about Lynyrd Skynard was right. |
| Mr.Jingles 23.01.2005 18:42 |
Somehow Skynard gets away without too much trouble for carrying a Confederate flag around for more than 3 decades. Meanwile, Prince Harry wears an arm band Nazi swastika as a joke for one day (which I still think was wrong), and the whole world is turning against him. Carrying both flags around is completely wrong. Both of them are symbols or racism, opression, segregation, genocide, and just about every single human right. At least Prince Harry had the courage enough to admit his huge mistake and apologize. |
| tymd 23.01.2005 21:19 |
Lynyrd Skynyrd were admitted rednecks.I posted because I was anticipating the response.Suprisingly more pro Skynyrd post than expected.Could they rock ? Hell yes ! Nobody can argue slavery & racisim are dispicible.Were the band racist? I really don't know ? I do know the Confederate flag was the idea of MCA records in L.A. Skynyrd shows sold out from Japan To Europe.The U.S. fought a very bloody civil war to abolish slavery.Skynyrd was popular in the '70 before political correctness.Does this make it o.k.-no.What amazes me is that many people think the South has a monopoly on hatred and oppression.Slavery and genocide is not restricted to the South-It's happening RIGHT NOW i.e. Sudan & parts of S.E. Asia.Do we know the true beliefs of Skynyrd or any other band? Opression of any human is moraly wrong.To believe it is only in the South is to stick ones' head in the sand.If anybody thinks this post are intended to defend the past sins of the South it is not.Whoever is without sin may cast the 1st stone. Peace |
| jason_drimalitis 23.01.2005 21:28 |
Skynard...rubbish, just as everything else that comes out of the Southern United States. |
| tymd 23.01.2005 21:41 |
Ignorance exposed.Do you live in UTOPIA please inform the rest of us where this wonderfull place is . You don't get it, the post was ment to check out the responce of this board.Good and bad among all of us.Hypocrite. |
| deleted user 23.01.2005 21:42 |
jason_drimalitis wrote: Skynard...rubbish, just as everything else that comes out of the Southern United States.So, does that make Dr. Martin Luther King rubbish? I very much doubt that. Then again, that's your intelligent opinion, not mine. |
| Mr.Jingles 23.01.2005 22:28 |
Let me remind you guys that black southern culture was the best thing that could ever happened to what has been made of popular music today. Blacks in the south were the creators of a great variety of music genres including jazz, blues, and R&B which eventually lead to a fussion of all these music styles and gave us an immense variety of popular genres like rock and pop that have changed the world for the past 50 years. Sadly the hatred towards blacks in the south forced them to take their cultural value to the north, where they established themselves in big cities like New York, Detroit, and Chicago. Their music was far more appreciated there, and they didn't suffer as much the opression of the white population as they did in the south. As for Lynyrd Skynard they're a disgrace to American music. Not only their music SUCKS, but they might as well carry a Third Reich flag around too, to show what they truly stand for. |
| Saint Jiub 23.01.2005 22:35 |
So Jingles, should the south be nuked, or is your bigotry overkill? |
| Mr.Jingles 23.01.2005 22:38 |
Excuse me, but on which one of my posts did I say that the south should be nuked, or mentioned the justification of violence against all white citizens from the south? Once against you're making a comment against me based on something I've never stated, so I guess it could only be something personal you have against me. |
| Saint Jiub 23.01.2005 22:42 |
Sorry - I just assumed that is what you want, given your previous history of bashing the south. |
| OhioBobcat555 23.01.2005 22:52 |
Skynyrd suck so bad... this is an insult to Queen to be compared to a crap band. |
| Mr.Jingles 23.01.2005 22:58 |
Well, I'm sorry for criticizing the south, and yes it would be wrong to say that every single white person in the south is a racist, a bigot, or a redneck. The truth is that the issue with racism today in America, and particularly in the south has in many ways changed for the better since the Civil Rights Movement, but in many other ways it hasn't changed at all. There's still a lot of hidden bigotry, and racism in America (not only in the south), but if there's something worse going on in the south is the fact that a lot segregation laws, and symbolism of racism and opression (like the confederate flag) hasn't been abolished. Not to mention, that many segregation laws have been aprooved by southern states even after 1963. If I make any kind of criticism, is because something wrong is still going on after 50 years, and it needs to be stopped. |
| tymd 24.01.2005 01:40 |
Agreed it needs to stop but you can't tell me Long Island is free of racist. maybe not so much blak & white bu among other ethnic groups. |
| pma 24.01.2005 03:19 |
Let me remind everyone of the LAST TIME THIS TOPIC WAS BROUGHT UP link And judging from a few responses, nothing has changed. And may I remind that the Mojo interview Roger claimed they toured with Skynyrd in 1971 in Germany. Shouldn't that really put off anyones bullshit detectors? I guess not. And anyone familiar with music history, might just have a hard time considering the current LS as the "real" Skynyrd, if you know what I mean. Personally I've always heard a lot of Skynyrd influence in G'n'R (Slash has mentioned the band listening to a lot of Skynyrd during sessions of "Appetite F.D") I think I'll now go listen to a bootleg of these "disgraceful racists" off their rocking show in Osaka, Japan 1977. Must have been tough playing for Asians... *I could roll my eyes all day long* PS. Still waiting for the concurrent evidence being provided that Skynyrd members stood for racism... Nope the flag doesn't do. |
| lyricalassasin77 24.01.2005 16:28 |
I hate to say this but in order for you to fully appreciate Lynard Skynards contribution to AMERICAN music you would have to be from the South like I am here. I don't usually get into this whole country Vs. country thing but I strongly believe that alot of you British people haven't the slightest clue what they was about and what they sung about. You would have to be from here to see that and besides Lynard Skynard is 10 times more popular that Queen ever was or ever will be in this country so if you ask people over here I'm sure a great deal of them would say Lynard Skynard, however with all that being said I think that Queen are better, and before any of you all come back at me that may be offended and think that I'm putting Britain down its just that Queen where a more world wide institution and I know a great deal about them because of that. It would be like me commenting on a band like the Boomtown Rats or Mott the Hopple, since they mostly stayed in Britain and wasn't well known outside there home country I would have no input on them. So the same is for LS and for the fools that think that the confederate flag represents Genocide I think your about as dumb as a box of rocks...........LOL........Peace |
| lyricalassasin77 24.01.2005 16:35 |
Furthermore after reading some of these posts. I thought the question was who's better. Nobody asked for a history lesson on segregation and racism. Some people just can't stick to a subject to save there ass's that's for sure. Lynard Skynard was a group who was proud of where they was from and never once sung a discriminating song about anybody. Its pretty stupid if you wear or fly a certain flag which is only made of fabric, you got these idiots out here that want to label you a racists and start talkin about shit that happened over 40 some years ago. Even though I think Queen is better there's really no reason to compare them because one was Glam Rock and the other was Southern Rock. 2 very different genres. It's almost like comparing Frank Sinatra to David Bowie as far as I'm concerned...........You all have a good day........Peace |
| Mr.Jingles 24.01.2005 16:59 |
If the confederate flag symbolizes heritage instead of hatred, then how come the Ku Klux Klan proudly waves it around? Some could also bring the up excuse that a Nazi swastika is about heritage, but is it really? One thing for sure is that both flags were created to represent the power and the struggle to keep opression against one or more ethnic groups, and that's something that you can't deny. If you don't believe me, check your history books. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but the way I see it is different. |
| OhioBobcat555 24.01.2005 22:45 |
I'm from Ohio in the United States and let me saay that anyone that knows anything about rock that I have talked to acknowledges that Queen is much better than Skynyrd. I have heard from a couple of sources that as a matter of fact, Skynyrd even played a benefit concert for a Southern governor candidate whom wanted to bring back slavery. Could be just a rumer but I would not put it past them. |
| lyricalassasin77 25.01.2005 02:31 |
I agree as I said above that they are better and its STILL stupid to refer to a person waving the confederate flag to ultimatically be a racist. Nobody can help that the KKK chooses to do such things just like rappers aren't ultimatically gangsters just because they sing about that lifestyle and them playin a concert for a southern governor that wanted to bring back slavery seems like something out of one's imagination. The confederate flag means many things to many different people but I would say for the majority of the south in the modern age it symbolizes where they are from. |
| rockerchick 25.01.2005 18:43 |
I like skynyrd. They have some cool songs butr i am totally a die hard queen fan. Dah!! |
| RainMustFall2 25.01.2005 21:07 |
Anyone who states that Skynyrd (spell it RIGHT) is a racist southern band, obviously hads not payed attention to their lyrics. In "the ballad of Curtis Lowe" Skynyrd shows a sensitive side to the black population of the south and in "That Smell," clearly states the disadvantages of drugs and alcohol. So look out Oak Tree, you're in my way, and open your ears to the interpretation of music you idiots! Automatically saying Skynyrd was racist is like automatically saying that Queen is a gay band just because of Freddie--you have to know the whole picture before you can judge! |
| RainMustFall2 25.01.2005 21:22 |
By the way, Mr Jingles, check the history Book... the Confederate flag was around way before the KKK. They didn't invent that. The Confederate flag symbolizes Southern history. It's a piece of HISTORY. You can't DENY that! So stating that it represents the KKK is completely wrong. You fool! Also, the swastica used by the Nazis was originally an old Indian symbol. (Pronounced Lynyrd Skynyrd - listen to the album!) |
| lyricalassasin77 26.01.2005 01:22 |
I totally agree with you Rainmustfall........but I spell it how I spell it my friend......LoL.......anyways its so sad that more and more of these threads people just don't stick to the subject. It started out as who's better Queen or Skynyrd, and it has ended with history lessons, KKK, Racism, Confederate Flags...........etc |
| tymd 26.01.2005 01:43 |
Good point rain about The Balled Of Curtis Lowe.Ronnie would give this African American blues artist money for drinking money in return he was taught the Blues.In the song RVZ said "momma" used whoop me,but I'd go see him again.The song is a tribute to an African-American blues musician that he must of respected.Some of these post have referred to L.S. as racist,hatefull even genocidal. If this was the feeling of the band it seems unlikely they would pay tribute to this man.? |
| deleted user 26.01.2005 03:07 |
Mr.Jingles79 wrote: If the confederate flag symbolizes heritage instead of hatred, then how come the Ku Klux Klan proudly waves it around? Some could also bring the up excuse that a Nazi swastika is about heritage, but is it really? One thing for sure is that both flags were created to represent the power and the struggle to keep opression against one or more ethnic groups, and that's something that you can't deny. If you don't believe me, check your history books. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but the way I see it is different.The KKK also uses a cross. Does that make the cross a symbol of racism? |
| tymd 05.02.2005 05:22 |
I guess a Queen vs. Hank Williams Jr.thread is out of the question. |
| pma 05.02.2005 08:10 |
I suggest that an admin starts a sticky topic titled "Post here to display utter stupidity and ignorance" ... ie. Skynyrd is racist, southern folks are inbred, all this and that sucks for no particular reason... I sense a large need for such a topic. |
| valentine 05.02.2005 08:35 |
Isn't it obvious??? Why even bother to ask. |
| tymd 06.02.2005 02:45 |
Mr pms or pma or whatever.lighten up-it's a forum about a band.A bit of humor never hurt anyone.Racism = ignorance.Is there racism in the south-yes.Is it wrong-yes.But,if you think it is confined to the south you are stereotyping people based on geography.Good & bad people everywhere.Even in Finland. Why are some people so uptight ? Maybe it has something to do with climate? Did you ever stop to think where most Americans came from ? HINT: it's a continent on your side of the pond. peace dude.If there is no stupidity & ignorance in Finland it must be a wonderfull place to live |
| pma 06.02.2005 04:59 |
tymd wrote: Mr pms or pma or whatever.lighten up-it's a forum about a band.A bit of humor never hurt anyone.Racism = ignorance.Is there racism in the south-yes.Is it wrong-yes.But,if you think it is confined to the south you are stereotyping people based on geography.Good & bad people everywhere.Even in Finland. Why are some people so uptight ? Maybe it has something to do with climate? Did you ever stop to think where most Americans came from ? HINT: it's a continent on your side of the pond. peace dude.If there is no stupidity & ignorance in Finland it must be a wonderfull place to liveAnd the award for the person who completely missed the point goes to... TYMD! Congrats. Judging by your outburst, it looks like you're the one who needs to loosen up a bit. And maybe find a new pair of reading glasses. Me uptight? I'm as uptight as a prison bitch's anus after 10 years of sentence. |
| pma 06.02.2005 05:06 |
double trouble |
| tymd 07.02.2005 01:48 |
pma,what was your point? and what is the reward.I checked out your websight,looks like a beautifull country.I realize my post we're off topic.we're talking about a band albeit a good one,it's not life or death.A lot of American lives were sacrificed to rid your part of the world from Facism.Including some of my ancestors.Anyway, enough. have a good life.Not to pry but I saw your picture & you don't look well.Have you seen a doctor lately.happy trails dude. |
| Mr.Jingles 07.02.2005 09:41 |
RainMustFall2 wrote: By the way, Mr Jingles, check the history Book... the Confederate flag was around way before the KKK. They didn't invent that. The Confederate flag symbolizes Southern history. It's a piece of HISTORY. You can't DENY that! So stating that it represents the KKK is completely wrong. You fool! Also, the swastica used by the Nazis was originally an old Indian symbol. (Pronounced Lynyrd Skynyrd - listen to the album!)I never said the KKK created the Confederate flag. It was created to represent the states who fought to keep slavery going on, and who stood against Lincoln and the north states who wanted to bring freedom to black slaves. Just like the German flag was replaced by the Nazi swastika to represent the total and absolute power of the Nazis over Germany. |
| pma 07.02.2005 18:16 |
tymd wrote: pma,what was your point? and what is the reward.I checked out your websight,looks like a beautifull country.I realize my post we're off topic.we're talking about a band albeit a good one,it's not life or death.A lot of American lives were sacrificed to rid your part of the world from Facism.Including some of my ancestors.Anyway, enough. have a good life.Not to pry but I saw your picture & you don't look well.Have you seen a doctor lately.happy trails dude.Almost seemed to me as if you were earlier on trying to give me a lecture about generalizations /prejudice based on nationality (Americans in this case) when I've never displayed prejudice or posted in a manner that attacks US people in either on this noticeboard, or in this topic. I sense illiteracy or a big misunderstanding passing around here. Are you well? Has your mother checked your temperature? Run along son... And after having actually spoken against prejudice for quite a while I am suddenly being given some rather unnecessary history lessons (don't start about WW2 at me, hah) by some random person. Wonderful. Glad to see the time of self-righteous assholes isn't over in this community. Thought I was the only one for a second... |
| RainMustFall2 07.02.2005 18:58 |
Mr. Jingles, there was much more behind the South secceding from the United States than just the slavery issue--the protective tariff, ways of life, etc... |
| tymd 08.02.2005 04:57 |
pma,Your post said southerners are inbred.If you don't believe this way, my apologies.I reread this thread & unless I missed it,no one else mentioned it.If this did not come from another post,why did you feel the need to include in your post? I'm sure you did not mean to generalize.Maybe you missed the point, the post was a freakin' joke. I assumed most would know the two groups are as opposite as day and night.As to being self-rightous the label doesn't fit.The to asshole comment, probably.And unless you're about 60 your not old enough to call me son.Gotta go think of another band comparisons would love your input.peace |
| pma 10.02.2005 05:55 |
tymd wrote: pma,Your post said southerners are inbred.If you don't believe this way, my apologies.I reread this thread & unless I missed it,no one else mentioned it.If this did not come from another post,why did you feel the need to include in your post? I'm sure you did not mean to generalize.Maybe you missed the point, the post was a freakin' joke. I assumed most would know the two groups are as opposite as day and night.As to being self-rightous the label doesn't fit.The to asshole comment, probably.And unless you're about 60 your not old enough to call me son.Gotta go think of another band comparisons would love your input.peaceMy post doesn't say anything like that, you are a selective reader or smoke too much crack. Case closed. My post above still says the following. You may read it yourself, word to word. Something you've not done so far. "I suggest that an admin starts a sticky topic titled "Post here to display utter stupidity and ignorance" ... ie. Skynyrd is racist, southern folks are inbred, all this and that sucks for no particular reason... I sense a large need for such a topic." Now, I will make a great exception and explain the post for the craniologically challenged folk. I SUGGESTED jokingly that we have a SEPARATE topic for STUPIDITY and IGNORANCE such AS "skynyrd is racist", "southern folks are inbred" etc. Now what part of it you don't understand? I state that the constant posts about "southern folk being inbred, Skynyrd was a racist, this and that is crap for no reason" is plain stupidity and ignorance most of the time. I think you seriously dO need to learn to read. Unless you're someones idea of a windup, the joke's on you bucko. Now where the hell do these numpties keep coming from? Don't answer that... I think I know it. |
| tymd 12.02.2005 04:54 |
I read your post.just trying to lively up the dialog.I guess this means you would vote no on the Queen vs. Hank thread.Have a pleasant day. |
| Freddie F 12.02.2005 07:19 |
What can you expect when you put on the same bill two bands who have absolutely NOTHING in common, either musically or on the human level? Lynyrd Skynyrd was made of young "white trash" people, born dirt-poor, and who had to fight their way through the music world. They had an incredible rage in their hearts, they just wanted to make it. All guys in Queen were british, well educated, had a-levels (that means they could easily have picked up any other careers), they had make-up on stage and were dressed as glam-rockers: how can there possibly be any positive contact between two separate universes like those (cf. the "Sid Vicious"-story with Freddie)? Skynyrd made some really fine music, great songs, and Queen too. But what Roger said about Skynyrd is really stupid : even 30 years later, he can't forgive them their jokes, attitude, and so on... |
| Roy Queen 01.03.2005 06:31 |
What are Skynyrd? I shall tell you! They are a bunch of american bastards who can't make music! The one and only song, that can be called a song, is Freebird. |
| kathy smith 01.03.2005 14:17 |
he's the asshole. he can't sing either |