| Awesome-O _4000 21.01.2005 21:23 |
<font color=#8A2BE2> Linda Of The Valley wrote:I don't understand why people here on qz always come up with Queen/Beatles topics!! You could at least come up with a different band...Ok, here goes.... I was talking to a friend of mine and he know's I love Queen more than any other music. Well, he starts telling me Queen have been bumped out of his "top 5" because he discovered the rock band that beats Queen on all levels: Rush. According to him... if you say John Deacon could play the stuff their bassist could play "you're full of crap", compared to the Rush drummer "Roger Taylor is a talentless slob", and most upsettingly: the guitarist is "the greatest technical guitarist" and could "kick Brian May's ASS in a faceoff". Apart from the verbal assault I endured, I was also upset that I couldn't argue... I DON'T LISTEN TO RUSH. In fact, I couldn't name one song. So what do you guys think??? |
| foxxy_moron 21.01.2005 21:25 |
like i said on da other thread, i have never head of them really. they dont sound very nice. |
| Awesome-O _4000 21.01.2005 21:33 |
MarchOfTheDirtQueen wrote: Yeah, Rush are okay I guess but who the fuck is your friend trying to kid? Queen lasted two decades and despite the crap they get from keeping on keeping on, they're still going. Rush lasted a couple - they were a flavour of the month. Queen is practically immortal. And it takes TALENT to be immortal.Well said MarchOfTheDirtQueen. Unfortunately, I couldn't find the words at the time. Oh, and I looked around and found one song I've heard: Closer to the Heart. I was like, WHAT?? That's their great song? I'm Definetely not impressed. |
| Boy Thomas Raker 21.01.2005 21:37 |
Ok Dude, here goes.... 1. Who gives a fuck about your friend and his ignorant opinions? 2. John Deacon is a consummate musician. He could play anything that Geddy Lee could, but he played in a band where viruosity always took a back seat to the good of the song. 3. Compared to the Neil Peart, most fans choice as rock's greatest drummer, Roger Taylor may well be a talentless slob. Then again, he played on some of the greatest, most complex songs of the rock era, songs that were hits. Maybe Neil Peart's 'overplaying' contributed to Rush's 'comparative to Queen'lack of radio succcess. 4. Alex Lifeson may well be "the greatest technical guitarist" (he isn't.) I believe Brian May is the "greatest guitarist for displaying emotion." Does that make him better? 5. The fact that you don't know one Rush song isn't a good defense, it just makes you as ignorant as your friend is. So what do you I think? If your friend likes Rush better than Queen, fine. If it pisses you off, prove who's a 'better' band. Good luck doing so. |
| Awesome-O _4000 21.01.2005 21:58 |
Actually, you helped. And no disrespect to Rush, I just listed to some of their stuff, they don't seem like that bad of guys actually. It's just how outrageously my friend exaggerated their talents. The guitarist of Rush is very good technichally, but he's not very loud or edgy, is he? You're right, Brian was the best for, how did you say it? Expressing Emotion. The drummer is very good technically, but again, not enough emotion. Some say Roger wasn't that great, but man does he put his back into it! And the bass player is NOT better than John, man I'm going to throw that back in his face! He just said those things to try to make me feel foolish. He has some nerve, what a jerk. (sorry for ranting to everyone, I had to have an outlet for this repressed rage, haha) |
| Awesome-O _4000 21.01.2005 22:03 |
BHM 0271 wrote: 5. The fact that you don't know one Rush song isn't a good defense, it just makes you as ignorant as your friend is.And hey, that was rude. I never said my "ignorance" was a defense. In fact, If you'd read the fine print, I said just the opposite. I guess that makes you ignorant too. |
| Boy Thomas Raker 21.01.2005 22:51 |
Sorry. The knowledge of the board is about 1/100th of what it used to be and I took it out on you for all of the idiotic posts here lately. No harm meant:) |
| Awesome-O _4000 22.01.2005 00:10 |
Hey, no problem... as you can see I've been snapping at people myself lately ;D I understand what you mean, I'm getting sick of loads of dips on this forum. Of course, this topic has been discussed WAY more than it needs to so I'll shut up.... |
| Lester Burnham 22.01.2005 00:28 |
MarchOfTheDirtQueen wrote: Yeah, Rush are okay I guess but who the fuck is your friend trying to kid? Queen lasted two decades and despite the crap they get from keeping on keeping on, they're still going. Rush lasted a couple - they were a flavour of the month. Queen is practically immortal. And it takes TALENT to be immortal.What the fuck? Do you even know who Rush is? Rush started in 1973 and are still touring to this day - they've had the same original three members since they formed, except for the drummer, who joined in 1974 after they released their first album. I find it absolutely stunning as to the level of ignorance of most Queen fans. Like 'em or loathe 'em, Rush is amazing - if you listen to their songs, you would think there are five or six members of the band, but it's only three. Neil Peart is in a level above Roger as far as drumming goes - speaking as a drummer, Peart's stuff is virtually impossible to play. Very technical, but also a lot of feel; you can tell he loves to drum. Geddy Lee...well, his vocals can be grating, I will admit, but his bass playing is stunning. He takes the John Entwistle approach by providing a rhythm line while Alex Lifeson, the guitarist, plays lead guitar. Their songs are hit or miss, especially the newer ones, but all the words were written by Neil Peart (how often does a drummer write concept albums?), but they have some absolutely cracking songs: 'Closer To The Heart', 'Bastille Day', 'The Spirit Of Radio', 'Xanadu', 'Tom Sawyer', 'Red Barchetta', 'Show Don't Tell', 'Yyz', 'Subdivisions', and so forth. They also put on a great live show, at least from what I've heard (I've never heard a negative thing) and seen on DVD: just the three of them recreating all these technical and difficult songs, including many synthesizer parts, performed by all of them. So, it's three guys playing the parts of at least five musicians: bass, drums, guitar, vocals, and keyboards. I would honestly like to see anybody else try to do that. So for somebody to say that Rush were flavor of the month is fucking ridiculous, considering they've lasted fourteen more years than Queen have. Honestly - some of these people need to pull their heads out of their asses and realize there is more music in this world than Queen. If you're going to compare a band to Queen, you should at least know what the fuck you're talking about before you blindly say "Queen rules, everyone else sucks." |
| Lester Burnham 22.01.2005 16:49 |
In all honesty, the entire quote wasn't directed at you, it was really just towards everyone in the thread. I just find it irritating that people are willing to blast other bands they don't know without even giving them a listen, just as many other people criticized Paul Rodgers, not even knowing who the guy is. No hard feelings, perhaps I was a bit harsh, but I certainly wouldn't call Rush "flavor of the month". |
| bigc 22.01.2005 16:57 |
easy easy. different strokes for different folks dont fight or else I'll make you both admit that the best artist ever is Cliff Richard |
| Lester Burnham 22.01.2005 16:58 |
You wouldn't dare! |
| Gunpowder Gelatine 22.01.2005 17:01 |
Lester Burnham wrote: I just find it irritating that people are willing to blast other bands they don't know without even giving them a listen, just as many other people criticized Paul Rodgers, not even knowing who the guy is.I completely agree with that. Lately, so many people have been criticizing Paul Rodgers just because they think he's trying to replace Freddie or they just hate him being on tour with Brian and Roger, but he's a great musician with a long career behind him. He shouldn't be put down just because the idea of Queen touring with anybody but Freddie bothers them or even just based on his performance at the Hall Of Fame. And listen to Bad Company by Bad Company, it's a great album! Sorry, get back to talking about Rush. :) |
| Lester Burnham 22.01.2005 17:23 |
We really are. Well, I am. |
| mike hunt 22.01.2005 17:24 |
rush is a fantastic band and are in their fourth decade of creating great music. when you get to the level of bands like 'rush' and the mighty 'Queen' you could go either way. it's unfair to try to match member for member but the way i see it is vocalist and guitar goes to queen. drummer and bass goes to rush. songwriting is obviously all opinion, mine is queen has an edge in songwriting. Niel peart is the best drummer possibly in rock history, and getty lee is one of the best bass players ever, but Mr. Brian may is an all around better guitarist than 'alex' from rush. Queen's biggest strengh was in their songwriting ability, simply amazing. |
| newcastle 86! 16483 22.01.2005 17:43 |
mmmmmmmmm............ strongly disagree about neil peart the one and only kieth moon would top any poll. lets get one thing clear its all opinion yeah, as for lead gutar eddie van halen, and bass steve harris what a bass man! and lyricist too, each have their own style i personally think roger taylor is a great drummer, jd great bass man, and bm a fine gutarist put em all together and youve got the best fukin band ever! |
| mike hunt 22.01.2005 17:50 |
i said 'pert' is one of the best, yea moon and a few others, but pert is in the top five. |
| Lester Burnham 22.01.2005 18:17 |
For technical ability, give me Peart; for just raucous and good-time drumming, Moon - any day. Entwistle is the best bassist in my opinion, up there with Squire, John Paul Jones, and Jack Bruce. |
| newcastle 86! 16483 22.01.2005 18:29 |
keith moon was the most gifted and lets face it! flawed drummer ever i love his solos, he is so manic but hey hes great just to see those 2 bass drums! come on! you know your gonna get a show as a post script what do yous reckon of moon playin "now im here" would that be good! |
| bigc 22.01.2005 18:53 |
i knew my trump card would work..hehe |
| mike hunt 22.01.2005 19:14 |
les claypool is only slightly behind Entwistle, i agree entwistle is probably the best. my all star band 'Mercury' on vocals and may on guitar, 'moon' on drums and 'Entwisle' on bass. 'pert' is pretty close. talyor is bit underated if you listen to 'sheer heart attank', and 'opera'. |
| newcastle 86! 16483 22.01.2005 21:37 |
good choice........... on bass youve gotta have steve harris the most technically gifted bass player ever..... paul mccartney and mark king aside |
| Awesome-O _4000 22.01.2005 22:12 |
Wow... we kind of strayed. Back to Rush, I wasn't trying to diss them, they seem like great guys and I'm enjoying their music, actually. But it kills me how some people feel the need to rate artists as "best", you know?? Example: I LOVE David Gilmour's playing soooooo much, but it's hard to try and convince somebody who's listening to Pink Floyd for the first time just how great he is... no one could claim that he's the best technical player or the fastest guitarist. Now that I think about it, just to clear this up: JUST BECAUSE A GUITARIST PLAYS THREE OR FOUR NOTES OVER AND OVER AT LIGHTING SPEED DOES NOT EQUATE HIM AS BEING A GREAT TECHNICAL PLAYER. Not that anyone here has said that, but it kills me how many say: "Well, he doesn't play fast very all the time, he must not be as good". That just bugs me. |
| newcastle 86! 16483 22.01.2005 22:24 |
good point its all relevant |
| boy of destiny 22.01.2005 22:48 |
Actually from a technical musician stand point, Rush is rock solid. They may not have had the hits that Queen has, but is that the only measure of success? Geddy Lee may be a bit over the top as bass players are concerned, but Neil Peart is without a doubt one of the best drummers of all time. He and John Bonham are the measuring stick for all other rock drummers. I'm sure that Roger Taylor would agree. Hell, at least Peart can still play. After years of drum machines and inactivity, we're not so sure about Taylor. |
| deleted user 23.01.2005 13:34 |
I've never heard of that band before !! If they are better than Queen (witch I doubt) how come they aren't famous ??? Queen got famous because they are so good :) |
| QueenZeppelin 23.01.2005 14:35 |
It's obvious that your friend was exaggerating Rush's talents, and is just very impressed with them, being a new band and experience to him. However, Rush isn't untalented. Rush isn't "bad." And they are indeed quite "famous." Rush is a group that retains a fanatic fan following, though remains somewhat outside mainstream; similar to The Grateful Dead or Dave Matthews Band. They are very talented, and many critics consider Neil Peart to be one of the very greatest drummers of all time. I don't think either Queen or Rush can really clearly be described as "better" than the other. Both made music that is enduring, technically incredible and emotional. I think it's a bit unfair for some here to insinuate that Rush was technically superior to Queen while Queen had more emotion. I can see where that is true in some ways, however, you have Freddie Mercury, an incredibly technically superior vocalist, Brian May, a guitar wizard; you can't overlook that. And to say you can't hear emotion in Rush's songs--well, I'm not a fan, but go back and listen to some of their stuff. Music stems from emotion, and technical superiority is nothing without emotions and ideas to catalyze putting that know-how into work. In terms of popularity, Queen definitely has the edge though, I agree with that. However, very few "which artist is better" disputes have any clear cut winner or logical conclusion. It would have to include maybe Elvis, Little Richard or Chuck Berry, the creators of rock......The Beatles, the innovators of crafting melody, experimentation, perhaps the rgeatest rock influence ever......Led Zeppelin and Jimi Hendrix, the pioneers of heavy rock music that inspired everyone from contemporaries Deep Purple and Black Sabbath to followers like our beloved Queen and aforementioned Rush...it's very hard in the rock universe to come up with a clear answer to a better-than dispute, because different music connects with different people on different levels. I, personally, believe that both groups are incredibly underrated by American rock critics (though in the last few years some have come along with regards to Queen.) Anyway, yeah, hope that maybe struck a few chords with some people. |
| Boy Thomas Raker 23.01.2005 15:05 |
My goodness, a thoroughly educated, thoughtful post. Well done. |
| Brian_Mays_Wig 23.01.2005 15:34 |
I think theyre quite good - but theyre bloody ugly. |
| Awesome-O _4000 23.01.2005 15:57 |
Well said, QueenZeppelin. You are quite right. It's not fair to comare... however I remain w/ the opinion that Rush's sound feels slightly dry to me. Not that it's not excellent music, naturally. |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 23.01.2005 19:02 |
Rush are Rush and Queen are Queen, Rush is Canadian and Queen are British... Don't compare them, they're two totally different bands. Hats off to Lester B for the definition! |
| Libor2 23.01.2005 20:32 |
I've been listening to both bands almost 25 years and I have no problem with it. Why even try to compare something such different as these two bands are ? |
| OhioBobcat555 23.01.2005 22:47 |
Rush suck compared to Queen. End of story. Yeah, Neil Pert plays great drums but he doesn't have the flare of a rock star as Taylor. Pert could get up there and amaze the audience with his drum solos for like two minutes before you were ready to get up to the restroom. Only percussionists can really fully enjoy Pert and that is b/c they are an odd group of folks. Taylor, besides being a heck of a drummer himself, provided a dimension for Queen that was more important to the band as a whole compared to what Pert delivered to Rush. Taylor gave the band some attitude; brought punk and straight ahead rock along with May to the forefront of Queen. He also was the most vocal in the band on political issues. And as bands, Queen are up there with the Beatles. Rush is a second tier band... they are good for a show and amazing technically but boring personalities and half of the stage presense great bands need. I've always thought of Rush as Collective Soul in a way... great technically but boring at the end of the day. You always know what to expect. |
| Mr.Jingles 23.01.2005 23:02 |
I don't think Rush was an awful band, but IMO they also weren't as great as so many people think they were. Besides, I'm not very fond of the lead singer. For many years I thought it was some woman with a witchy, creepy, and unusual type of voice like Stevie Nicks. Later I found out it was a dude. |
| Maz 23.01.2005 23:28 |
Normally, I wouldn't respond to a thread like this. Some people like Rush, some people don't. Music is all about subjectivity, so who really cares if some people blindly dimiss Rush. I like them and could give a rat's ass about other people's opinions on the matter, really.
But then, I read this sentence...
OhioBobcat555 wrote: Taylor, besides being a heck of a drummer himself, provided a dimension for Queen that was more important to the band as a whole compared to what Pert delivered to Rush.... and I begin to realize that people make comments without any relation to the truth. Roger may have added a rock and roll persona to Queen, but Peart gave Rush lyrics. You see, he's the main (if not sole) lyricist for the band, and without him contributing words to every Rush song since he joined in 1975ish, there would be nothing to sing along to. I'm thinking that's pretty important. |
| LadyMoonshineDown 23.01.2005 23:34 |
I hate Rush. But not because of what that kid said, and not in huge defense of Queen. But I personally think that Rush sucks.... Just from what I have heard. Cheers |
| The Real Wizard 24.01.2005 00:34 |
Lester, one of the few posters on this board with a brain, along with QueenZeppelin. Both were great posts. OhioBobcat555's somewhat anti-Rush post made sense as well, although I disagree with it, being a Rush fan. No need for me to go on a "QZ is mostly a bunch ignorant pricks" rant. Thanks for covering that for me. Roger Taylor has never been and never will have more than a fraction of Neil Peart's talent on the drums. Deacon is nowhere near Geddy Lee on the bass, and I'd say May and Lifeson are at about the same technical level... although I will agree that May's playing has always had more emotion. Rush are one of those few bands who have strong songwriters in every member, and continue to put out quality albums. Also, Rush is one of those very few bands whose every song has some kind of redeeming quality, be it some instrumental aspect, the vocal performance, or the lyrics. There is no filler from these guys, ever. They put on an incredible show, too. The fact that Rush were never hugely commercially successful on the singles market should say NOTHING about their quality of music. Musical quality is musical quality - period. In the end, everything comes down to taste, but it cannot be disputed that 2112, Permanent Waves, and Moving Pictures are three of the most influential albums of all time. In fact, one perk of not being a huge singles band is that you can play a concert and not feel forced to perform certain songs. If they didn't play Spirit Of Radio and Tom Sawyer, I, and most other fans, wouldn't care. Virtually every heavily pop-oriented band is required to play their hits. Rush does not fall into that category - anything they would play at their shows will make most fans happy. Rush are legends. By far, the most successful group ever to emerge from Canada. Long live Rush! |
| BackToHuman 24.01.2005 09:42 |
The big problem with comparing the two is Rush and Queen are two completely differenty types of progressive (if you even choose to view Queen as prog). Queen is certainly more emotional, while Rush is more logical. (that's not to say Rush have never had emotional songs. the whole of 'Grace Under Pressure' is one of the most emotional albums ever written by anyone, in my opinion.) if you were going to do a fair comparison between the bands, though, Rush has far more in common with the likes of ELP and Yes, while Queen has more in common with The Who.......and Yes. (Okay, okay -- so it's hard to pin down Yes. Who's technically superior, though? Drums -- it's no contest. Neil Peart is definately one of the greatest drummers to have ever lived. Despite what he himself would say, many put him on par with Buddy Rich. Bass -- I hate to say it, but Geddy Lee can play circles around John Deacon. That's not to say John isn't good -- it's just two different types of playing. John plays just classic bass lines, where Geddy actually uses his bass to play a counter-melody, which requires a whole lot more work. Guitar -- Brian stands out on his own far more than Alex Lifeson, but Lifeson's good. Listen to the studio verion of "The Analog Kid" of 1982s 'Signals', and prepare to have your jaw hit the floor. Vocals -- come on. Do we even need to talk about this one? |
| deleted user 24.01.2005 11:08 |
Rush are OK, I guess..... I went to see them last summer and they were pretty good for the most part. BUT THEY CAN NEVER COMPARE TO QUEEN!!!!!!! |
| Stephan 24.01.2005 17:31 |
Thank you once more, SIR GH! That had to be said. Rush is a great band with fantastic musicians. |
| Lady Cool Cat 24.01.2005 18:19 |
Why are you friends with such a rude guy?!? Oh, and I think he is just jealous, anyway. I never heard of Rush.It sounds stupid. Oh, If I offended anyone except Awesome's friend, I'm sorry. Anyway, I don't think anyone can beat Queen; Queen had many, many hits, but I never even HEARD of Rush. |
| Bob The Shrek 24.01.2005 18:52 |
Then I suggest you go and listen to some Rush before making such assumptions - I agree with everything Sir GH said. |
| mystic_rhythms 24.01.2005 19:04 |
If you ask me, Rush is a very accomplished band that, in my mind, is up there along with Queen. I like them both. Rush, started around the same time Queen began, their solo album was released in 1974, while Queen's was in '73. Both have had very successful albums here in the US, for example, 1981's Moving Pictures can be compared to Queen's 1980 venture, The Game. Both hit hard on the charts and recieved rave reviews. Both bands have memorable songs, Queen has "Bohemian Rhapsody", "Another One Bites The Dust", and "We Will Rock You". Rush has "Limelight", "Working Man", and "Tom Sawyer", the latter being heard countless times on 80's rock radio stations. Both bands have a song that is not very well known, but are songs that I enjoy hearing. For example, Rush's "Distant Early Warning" and "Red Sector A", featured on 1984's Grace Under Pressure, are songs that I really like, while Queen has "Action This Day" from Hot Space, and "Machines" from The Works. Either way, Queen is forever known as one of the greatest bands in the world, but so is Rush. To this day, Rush continues to delight millions of fans after 30 years in the business. So does Queen, but unfortunately without the prescence of Freddie or John. The heart is still there, though. In closing, Rush is a very respected, talented, memorable band with a large quantity of hits and albums to be proud of, but Queen, in my mind, will always be the best. |
| Awesome-O _4000 24.01.2005 19:07 |
Lady_Cool_Cat wrote: Why are you friends with such a rude guy?!?Haha, if you must know I didn't speak to him for 6 days... he's kind of obnoxious when it comes to music. He is a rock music encyclopedia but it must be said that as far as technicality he doesn't really know shit... I play 7 instruments (some better than others) and sing. He plays the bass. (not even that good). What I'm saying is Not that I think I'm better than him but that I intimidate him. (not that HE'D ever admit that). Yes he was very rude to me, but I let him know that how he acted was ridiculous and he better never talk to me that way again. (yay, girl power :P) |
| deleted user 24.01.2005 19:37 |
I like other bands besides Queen, but there is one thing the rock world (and a band) never had before and will never have again .... another Freddie Mercury. I can't think of any other guy with such an amazing talent for writing songs, that are not only pure genius on a musical level but at the same time very commercial. And of another one who has voice in rock and pop with this range. 13 years have past .... and the rock and pop world still doesn't realize properly what a talent we have all lost! |
| Lester Burnham 24.01.2005 20:23 |
Much thanks, GH, for backing up my somewhat hastily written post. I don't understand the logic of blindly bashing any group that isn't Queen - the least a person can do is go out and listen to a few songs of the other band in question so that they know what they're bashing! |
| Carrots Of The Piratebean 24.01.2005 21:15 |
bigc wrote: dont fight or else I'll make you both admit that the best artist ever is Cliff RichardCliff Richard? No chance!!!!! That belongs to Bucks Fizz...... |
| LadyMoonshineDown 24.01.2005 22:09 |
Bob The Shrek wrote: Then I suggest you go and listen to some Rush before making such assumptions - I agree with everything Sir GH said.Exactly. Why make assumptions of a band one has never heard of? It just doesn't make sense. I listened to Rush, and I am now free to tell people (politely) that I don't like the band at all. ;) Cheers |
| mike hunt 24.01.2005 22:55 |
if your looking for good singing rush is not your band. Geddy Lee is possibly the worst and annoying singer i'v ever heard, but the music makes up for it. Niel Pert is a drumming god, god of thunder, geddy is a great bassist and alex is a good but not a great guitarist, actually brian may is light years ahead of Mr. Alex L. in my opinion. The bottom line is Queen rules in my book, but rush are also legends and are also a very good band. if they had a better singer they could have been even better. |
| boy of destiny 25.01.2005 00:27 |
This is silly, after all everyone knows the greatest band in the world is... TENACIOUS D! |
| The Real Wizard 25.01.2005 16:46 |
Excellent posts by BackToHuman and me_and_my_innuendo. |
| kohuept 25.01.2005 17:07 |
It's funny this should show up, as I just had a discussion with a friend that prompted me to go out and get one of their GH albums...soooo..... My 2 cents and ONLY my 2 cents: I got bored with the CD. For a GH and not an album, the songs sounded too similar - ESPECIALLY the vocal. The songs sounded very mechanical, which I suppose goes back to the "emotion" thing. I won't say anything talent-wise because they are obviously decently constructed/written songs. Just in small doses. Yes, this was a compilation, but that's what I got out of it. |
| Awesome-O _4000 25.01.2005 17:44 |
boy of destiny wrote: This is silly, after all everyone knows the greatest band in the world is... TENACIOUS D!Hey now!!! Tenacious D is pretty brilliant, I mean, that Jack Black has a VOICE and he's hilarious! |
| Teo_torriate04 25.01.2005 17:51 |
I like Rush a great deal, A Farewell To Kings is one of my all time favourite albums, I've had little success trying to get others to agree. Geddy Lee's voice is an aquired taste thats for sure, and there are passages, even during some of their best songs which seem be just a little too self indulgent, the intro to Cygnus XI (from AFTK) being a prime example. What has always made Rush so special for me, as has already been mentioned many times, is the extraordinary drumming of Neal peart. He's the only drummer I've ever heard that plays the drums as though it's a real instrument, not just a means of adding punch and keeping time. his fills and counter rhythms pepper Rushs' albums, and in much the same way as a good guitarist can do, he makes you really listen, and you find yourself hearing something new on familiar tracks time after time. Listen to something like '2112' with headphones on, try to concentrate on the drumming throughout, and I guarantee you'll be amazed. |
| mystic_rhythms 28.01.2005 11:07 |
boy of destiny wrote: This is silly, after all everyone knows the greatest band in the world is... TENACIOUS D!yeah!!! They're really cool! Come on, they ARE good! Is it true that they performed "Flash's Theme" at a couple of live shows? I heard they did. |
| The Real Wizard 28.01.2005 11:36 |
me_and_my_innuendo wrote:It's indeed true! You can see it on their concert DVD. Those guys are great!boy of destiny wrote: This is silly, after all everyone knows the greatest band in the world is... TENACIOUS D!yeah!!! They're really cool! Come on, they ARE good! Is it true that they performed "Flash's Theme" at a couple of live shows? I heard they did. |
| Awesome-O _4000 28.01.2005 23:18 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Are you serious???? That is AWESOME!me_and_my_innuendo wrote:It's indeed true! You can see it on their concert DVD. Those guys are great!boy of destiny wrote: This is silly, after all everyone knows the greatest band in the world is... TENACIOUS D!yeah!!! They're really cool! Come on, they ARE good! Is it true that they performed "Flash's Theme" at a couple of live shows? I heard they did. What is this DVD called, specifically? And does Dave Grohl play their drums (I'm guessing not, but I can dream can't I?) ? |
| Hooligan's Holiday 14.05.2006 16:12 |
RUSH RULE!!!! They're not Queen, but they rule! I even have a line of one of their songs as my sig! |
| zone 15.05.2006 12:03 |
Rush are awesome musicians with tuns of great songs , believe me they can hold their own and they're one of my favorite bands granted they're not as big as Queen their musics not as mainstream as Queen but please don't start telling me they're nobodys |
| The Real Wizard 15.05.2006 21:46 |
Awesome-O _4000 wrote:16 months to reply... haha, sorry about that! I'm pretty sure it's the only DVD they've ever released. It's called "The Complete Masterworks".Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Are you serious???? That is AWESOME! What is this DVD called, specifically? And does Dave Grohl play their drums (I'm guessing not, but I can dream can't I?) ?me_and_my_innuendo wrote:It's indeed true! You can see it on their concert DVD. Those guys are great!boy of destiny wrote: This is silly, after all everyone knows the greatest band in the world is... TENACIOUS D!yeah!!! They're really cool! Come on, they ARE good! Is it true that they performed "Flash's Theme" at a couple of live shows? I heard they did. |
| Daburcor? 16.05.2006 00:36 |
With Rush, I can take them or leave them. I like some of their stuff, but I find the majority of it tedious. |
| sixstringer 17.05.2006 10:44 |
Well, I love Rush . . . and Queen. Don't like the attitude of some of the posts above. There's no need to attack another band. Music fans don't need to be like football thugs and only side with one team. I remember my first gig, Queen in 1978, when I was 15. My Mum was worried sick that I would get beaten up because I had a Thin Lizzy badge on my denim jacket. Luckily, there isn't that tribalism in musuic . . . in general. I've often wondered if all my favourite bands played on the same night which would I go to. I think I'd have to say Rush . . . unless Freddie could come back . . . |
| Champipple 17.05.2006 15:00 |
Rush are great! But they really don't compare well to Queen. It's like apples and oranges. Rush have a much more technical approach to the music, Queen are much more emotional based. Technically speaking the drums and bass are probably the best currently in Rock. You'd have to look to early Who and Zep to find anything better. But the songs themselves can be kinda tuneless and emotionally vacant. The best of Rush is amazing, but there's a lot of bathwater with the baby. Kinda like Extreme towards the end.... "Waiting for the Punchline" was a technically great CD but kinda tuneless and preachy (I'm going to get into trouble... :) ) Same thing happened to Living Colour. For those who haven't heard of Rush, you should seriously check out a greatest hits CD. They rock! |
| quicksilver mercury 17.05.2006 20:42 |
Who is Rush and why do they think there better than Queen. Thats rude and stupid. I h8 Rush |
| willem-jan 8923 18.05.2006 02:53 |
quicksilver mercury wrote: Who is Rush and why do they think there better than Queen. Thats rude and stupid. I h8 RushNow there's the typical Queen fan again..... Rush don't claim to be better than Queen. People here say that Rush have better musicians, which is true. |
| Togg 18.05.2006 06:45 |
quicksilver mercury wrote: Who is Rush and why do they think there better than Queen. Thats rude and stupid. I h8 RushWhat a stupid thing to say, Firstly Rush were and indeed are a well respected Canadian rock band that are still going strong today with the original members. They undoubtedly never said they were better than anyone, so if you're going to quote at least get it right. They have supreme musical skills, and yes technically speaking they can hold their heads alongside anyone in the music business. Neil Peart is far more technical ability than Roger, does it make him better? maybe, maybe not it's all about emotion. This is music people not football, lets not degenerate into numbskulls with stupid ill-informed comments. |
| zone 18.05.2006 11:59 |
QUICKSILVER MERCURY WROTE--Who is Rush and why do they think there better than Queen. Thats rude and stupid. I h8 Rush And the meek shall inherit the Earth. |
| Larry the Hick 18.05.2006 20:31 |
I don't like Rush Limbaugh so why are we talking about him? Lordy! |
| Scott_Mercury 18.05.2006 21:26 |
Rush are 3 very talented musicians.... but if one were to make the mistake of trying to compare apples to apples, it can be summed up in 2 words: Freddie Mercury. One band had him, one band never did... that makes all the difference in the world. Technique of Rush vs. Technique of Queen instrument for instrument.... Honestly, who gives a flying fuck. Personally, I prefer Deacon's bass to Geddy's Taylor's drumming to Peart's May's Guitar playing Lifeson's... Freddie vs. Geddy vocally?? Let me clean up the shit from the uncontrolled laughter..... the greatest frontman on rock vs. one of those most made fun of voices of all time??? Mmmmm...tough call. Rush have technical skill.....but so does Yngwie Malmsteen, Vinnie Moore, and Shawn Lane.... and none of them have ever scored a smash hit song. Meanwhile, 3 chords, black clothes, and a whole lot of eye liner (and a phony Irish accent) have scored Greenday 4 hit songs on their last album alone. At the end of the day..... what sounds good is all that counts, listeners wipe their ass on the idea of "technical skill." |
| Boy Thomas Raker 18.05.2006 22:10 |
Scott_Mercury wrote: Rush have technical skill.....but so does Yngwie Malmsteen, Vinnie Moore, and Shawn Lane.... and none of them have ever scored a smash hit song. Meanwhile, 3 chords, black clothes, and a whole lot of eye liner (and a phony Irish accent) have scored Greenday 4 hit songs on their last album alone. At the end of the day..... what sounds good is all that counts, listeners wipe their ass on the idea of "technical skill."So you'd agree that, with 17 number 1 hits on the grandfather of all charts (Billboard), Mariah Carey and her fans can "wipe their asses" laughing at a band like Queen, who are a bit of a joke as they've had but two number 1 hits? After all, they may be able to play music, but obviously Queen aren't in the league of Madonna, Pink, Green Day, Cher or Christina Aguilera, to name but a few. If what's sounds good is what counts, you're argument is a total contradiction when it comes to Rush. You can hate them, and I'd never question your right to do that, but if you think they're technicians only you don't know much about them. By the way, Rush has 16 gold US albums out of 17. Better average than Queen, and not bad for a band that is known for albums, not singles like Queen turned into. |
| goinback 19.05.2006 02:26 |
Rush rules...I like Queen better, but yeah Rush definitely gives John, Roger and even Brian a run for their money. Unfortunately some comments on this thread remind me of the American Idol board...when people there said Queen only had a few good songs, were a flash-in-the-pan, etc. (I know the original poster didn't mean it that way though.) Yeah Rush is known for being sort of an overly technical band, but I don't really appreciate those things (since I don't play an instrument) and still love the epic albums they made. They also have that sort of intelligent "classy" aura around them like Queen does ;) |
| Scott_Mercury 19.05.2006 15:41 |
BHM 0271 wrote:Queen are legends...so are Rush....and so is Mariah.... TO THEIR FANS.Scott_Mercury wrote: Rush have technical skill.....but so does Yngwie Malmsteen, Vinnie Moore, and Shawn Lane.... and none of them have ever scored a smash hit song. Meanwhile, 3 chords, black clothes, and a whole lot of eye liner (and a phony Irish accent) have scored Greenday 4 hit songs on their last album alone. At the end of the day..... what sounds good is all that counts, listeners wipe their ass on the idea of "technical skill."So you'd agree that, with 17 number 1 hits on the grandfather of all charts (Billboard), Mariah Carey and her fans can "wipe their asses" laughing at a band like Queen, who are a bit of a joke as they've had but two number 1 hits? After all, they may be able to play music, but obviously Queen aren't in the league of Madonna, Pink, Green Day, Cher or Christina Aguilera, to name but a few. If what's sounds good is what counts, you're argument is a total contradiction when it comes to Rush. You can hate them, and I'd never question your right to do that, but if you think they're technicians only you don't know much about them. By the way, Rush has 16 gold US albums out of 17. Better average than Queen, and not bad for a band that is known for albums, not singles like Queen turned into. Everyone on the thread above me talked how much "technical skill" Rush has.... my point was who gives a fuck?? Technical skill doesn't always mean a good sound. When Rush are at their best is when they are creating radio friendly rock songs..... and when Geddy shuts up... it gets even better. Brian May's guitar sound is a big part of Queen... and I am a guitarist who has been studying Queen songs for years.... BUT THE SOUND OF QUEEN is dominated by the vocal harmonies and textures centered around Mr. Freddie Mercury. While it is 100% true that Freddie's ultimate success was fueled by Deacon, Taylor + May.... This world would have NEVER heard of May, Deacon, or Taylor.... had they not all met Mr. Bulsara. I don't think that Billboard is the end all...be all.... I don't give a shit whose had what hits...what gold records.... what album sales..... I wouldn't walk across the street to hear Geddy Lee sing, I'd drive 5,000 miles to hear Freddie sing 30 seconds of one Queen song. I am still searching for my elusive "Brian May sound".... whereas I wouldn't trade my own guitar skills/tone... for Alex Lifeson's for any amount if money. No shit. Meanwhile, if you have such a boner for Rush, why are you bashing Queen, on a Queen website, with the user name of Brian May's initials?? Talk about hypocrite. |
| Scott_Mercury 19.05.2006 15:43 |
Scott_Mercury wrote:BHM 0271 wrote:Queen are legends...so are Rush....and so is Mariah.... TO THEIR FANS.Scott_Mercury wrote: Rush have technical skill.....but so does Yngwie Malmsteen, Vinnie Moore, and Shawn Lane.... and none of them have ever scored a smash hit song. Meanwhile, 3 chords, black clothes, and a whole lot of eye liner (and a phony Irish accent) have scored Greenday 4 hit songs on their last album alone. At the end of the day..... what sounds good is all that counts, listeners wipe their ass on the idea of "technical skill."So you'd agree that, with 17 number 1 hits on the grandfather of all charts (Billboard), Mariah Carey and her fans can "wipe their asses" laughing at a band like Queen, who are a bit of a joke as they've had but two number 1 hits? After all, they may be able to play music, but obviously Queen aren't in the league of Madonna, Pink, Green Day, Cher or Christina Aguilera, to name but a few. If what's sounds good is what counts, you're argument is a total contradiction when it comes to Rush. You can hate them, and I'd never question your right to do that, but if you think they're technicians only you don't know much about them. By the way, Rush has 16 gold US albums out of 17. Better average than Queen, and not bad for a band that is known for albums, not singles like Queen turned into. |
| Boy Thomas Raker 19.05.2006 16:10 |
Stating facts (Rush are a great band, hits aren't the be all that you make them out to be) doesn't make me a hypocrite, Scott. I don't have a boner for Rush, own no albums, 10 songs max on my iPod. Own everything Queen released until GHII. Your opinion on Rush is fine, but you stated that they have no hits as if hits were everything. Pointing out that if that is the criteria for greatness, then Queen pales in comparison to the acts I randomly listed using YOUR criteria. I agree with you about liking Deacon and Taylor's playing more than Lee and Lifeson's. They're different beasts though, and flipping them to the others band would be disastrous for Queen and Rush. They're all great musicians, and Deacon and Taylor would play a lot more adventurosu if need be, and Lee and Lifeson less "technically" if required. |
| The Real Wizard 19.05.2006 16:23 |
Scott... I've never seen you post anything informative or positive on this board. All you seem to do is bash others, and I therefore question the amount of anger that resides in you as a person. If you don't feel the emotion from someone's music, that doesn't mean that someone else doesn't feel emotion. Emotion, like philosophy, isn't a science. Emotion in music (or anything, for that matter) is a relative thing. I know people who find emotional connection with Korn and Limp Bizkit. Who am I to say they're wrong? Rush have sold over 30 million albums worldwide without a top 10 hit. They are hugely popular in America, Europe, and South America. How many other bands have accomplished that? |
| Scott_Mercury 19.05.2006 17:46 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Scott... I've never seen you post anything positive on this board.Whether someone feels a comment from another is positive or not is a relative thing...like emotion. Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: All you seem to do is bash others, and I therefore question the amount of anger that resides in you as a person.Lol!! Love it. One of the paid professions I have, that I do about six times a year is being a motivational speaker/sale trainer for real estate agents... I have shared the stage with Tony Robbins before. Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: If you don't feel the emotion from someone's music, that doesn't mean that someone else doesn't feel emotion.True, but being that we are on a website that is dedicated to one of rocks biggest bands, who was fronted by arguably the greatest frontman ever... do you think we really want to talk about Korn or Limp Bizcuit? I think most Queenzoners are intelligent enough to recognize music that will stand the test of time. 50 years from now, The Beatles "I am the Walrus" and Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" will be played by the teeny boppers. Korn, Limp bizcut, Slayer, and Britney Spears will have long been forgotten. Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Rush have sold over 30 million albums worldwide without a top 10 hit. They are hugely popular in America, Europe, and South America. How many other bands have accomplished that?Tom Sawyer wasn't a top 10 hit?? My god... we had to listen to that crap enough, I thought it was a #1. |
| bonnzzo 19.05.2006 17:55 |
Apples and Oranges..... |
| RedSpecial1979 21.05.2006 21:32 |
I'm lucky enough to work with a drummer who idolizes Neil Peart the same way I idolize Brian. So as soon as I find a bassist like John Entwistle, our band will own everything and everyone... And IMHO, Rush is about 3rd on my list, behind Queen and the Beatles/Zeppelin tie. |
| Farrokh The Great 23.05.2006 01:23 |
IMO the guitar solo on XYZ is arabic type, similar to Flick of the Wrist, Death On Two Legs, Its Late, Mustapha, Don’t Loose Your Head, It’s a Beautiful Day (Reprise). |
| MDNA 23.05.2006 10:11 |
Rather interesting discussion going on here. just would like to leave two thoughts. One: the music an individual likes is not necesarily to the liking of another individual, people like difrent kinds of music and musicians, just has they prefer different bevereges or clothig styles. The key here is respect for peoples choices and opinions. Two: Queen became notorious not for the individual virtuosity of theyr individual members, but because of their strength as a group. Brian said it himself, "Queen are better than any of us individually". Sure Freddie was a great, if not the greatest, frontman, and Brian is a very acomplished guitarist, buta that wasn't what made the great an unique. What other band has all the four members writing a number 1 hit single? I must say that I don't know Rush as a band nor any of their work, wich is why I refarined from mentioning them in my post. People should stay quiet if they don't know what they are talking about. |
| mystic_rhythms 23.05.2006 12:57 |
This topic suits me very well, as I am very familiar with both Queen and Rush. Without a doubt, Rush is a very excellent band! Geddy Lee offers an interesting yet effective combination of powerful, shrieking vocals and over-the-top bass playing. Alex Lifeson shows good technicality with his guitar work; nothing amazing, but very worthwhile to listen to. Neil Peart..."The Professor", as he has been called many times. His drum solos are second to none, and he shows great persistence and endurance, despite his age (he's not really old, though; he's 54) I have several of their albums: Fly By Night (on vinyl) 2112 Moving Pictures Signals Power Windows Hold Your Fire Presto Roll The Bones Counterparts Feedback I also have their 30th Anniversary DVD (R30). Without a doubt, they are one of the most memorable and most accomplished bands in the world. In my book, they are right next to Queen as my favorite bands. |
| The Real Wizard 23.05.2006 21:46 |
Scott_Mercury wrote:Yeah, I suppose you're right! Tone of voice is often hard to discern from text.Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Scott... I've never seen you post anything positive on this board.Whether someone feels a comment from another is positive or not is a relative thing...like emotion. Good for you... that rocks. I totally admire Tony Robbins. But I was just judging based on what I've seen you write on this forum in the past. I recall dozens of "anti-Canada for the sake of being anti-Canada" comments. At least this forum is the outlet for these kinds of things from you, rather than the real world.All you seem to do is bash others, and I therefore question the amount of anger that resides in you as a person.Lol!! Love it. One of the paid professions I have, that I do about six times a year is being a motivational speaker/sale trainer for real estate agents... I have shared the stage with Tony Robbins before. Farrokh the great wrote: IMO the guitar solo on XYZ is arabic type, similar to Flick of the Wrist, Death On Two Legs, Its Late, Mustapha, Don’t Loose Your Head, It’s a Beautiful Day (Reprise).That's definitely not an opinion... that's an excellent observation, and it's true. Most of those Queen solos use the harmonic minor scale, a scale which definitely has that arabic sound. And I'm sure you meant YYZ. :) |
| teleman 23.05.2006 23:46 |
Sir GH, I remember the posts you are referring to. Scott Mercury says there was someone else impersonating him making the anti Canada comments. After looking through some of his posts I believe him. As far as the Rush vs Queen arguments it seems pointless to me. I respect Rush and enjoyed seeing them live when I was younger. I don't have much interest in Rush anymore. I prefer Queen but that is personal preference. I don't see the need to denigrate a band because I like them less than another. I respect any artist for creating something and putting it out there. As someone else said it's comparing apples to oranges. |
| Farrokh The Great 23.05.2006 23:59 |
anyway Rush was capable to create songs like La Villa Strangiato... a masterwork |
| g2000 24.05.2006 06:55 |
Hmmmm. Comparing bands is always going to be a tough one and Rush and Queen are miles apart. Rush were and are an album band, they had a couple of accidental top ten singles but in the 20+ years theyve never really chased that market or wavered from that philosophy. They are a huge band all around the world with the most devoted fans that you can get. Queen, god bless them, were always easier on the palatte, much easier to understand. If in doubt which Queen album to buy start with the Greatest Hits 1 or 2. To say Queen are better just because theyve had top ten singles is missing the mark totally. |
| Rompez 24.05.2006 07:08 |
g2000 wrote: To say Queen are better just because theyve had top ten singles is missing the mark totally.To say that it's the best way to start listening Queen with the Greatest Hits 1 or 2 is exactly as incorrect. ;) |
| g2000 24.05.2006 08:08 |
Ahhh, no i wasnt saying the best way to get in to queen is to buy the greatest hits, i was saying that alot of people find it very easy to get into Queen by listening to the greatest hits rather than, for example, buying The Works or Queen 2. This is no different than people buying Elvis Presleys Greatest hits, or Abba Greatest Hits. Prog rock is a strange beast and i think, for the most part (yeah i know its a huge generalisation) that it can be a little harder to get into that than a 3 min 30 sec very up bright pop song |
| The Real Wizard 24.05.2006 11:35 |
teleman wrote: Sir GH, I remember the posts you are referring to. Scott Mercury says there was someone else impersonating him making the anti Canada comments. After looking through some of his posts I believe him.Ah, so he's bi-polar. Interesting... the plot thickens. |
| Lisser 24.05.2006 12:32 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Bi-polar or mulitple personality syndrome?? hmmm!!!teleman wrote: Sir GH, I remember the posts you are referring to. Scott Mercury says there was someone else impersonating him making the anti Canada comments. After looking through some of his posts I believe him.Ah, so he's bi-polar. Interesting... the plot thickens. |
| queenfanNY 24.05.2006 15:21 |
me_and_my_innuendo wrote: Without a doubt, Rush is a very excellent band! They are one of the most memorable and most accomplished bands in the world. In my book, they are right next to Queen as my favorite bands.My feelings exactly. |
| Gordie Howe 24.05.2006 19:05 |
Rush is my #1 band of all time. Their lyrics mean more to me. Peart will always be my hero. |
| Freddie_Jr. 24.05.2006 20:03 |
The members of Rush are all amazing at there instruments in a technical sense. However the chemistry of the band is non-existent, there song writing is horrible, and they all play the most complicated parts all at the same time which comes out to sound like garbage... |
| The Real Wizard 26.05.2006 00:58 |
Freddie_Jr. wrote: The members of Rush are all amazing at there instruments in a technical sense. However the chemistry of the band is non-existent, there song writing is horrible, and they all play the most complicated parts all at the same time which comes out to sound like garbage...... in your opinion. I'm really getting tired of people who spout their opinion as if it's fact that cannot be debated. |
| Hooligan's Holiday 06.06.2006 16:35 |
My PERSONAL opinion... None of this post should have to be taken seriously by anyone, so I don't want to start a fuss. Bass: John Deacon vs. Geddy Lee - No contest! Geddy one hundred per cent on my vote. I mean, Deaky's awesome but... he just can't compare to Geddy. Drums: Roger Taylor vs. Neil Peart - My deepest apologies to Mr. Taylor, but I have to stick with Neil on this one. No offense. Vocals: Freddie Mercury vs. Geddy Lee - Freddie all the way! I mean, don't get me wrong, Geddy can WAIL, but... he's not Freddie. Guitar: Brian May vs. Alex Lifeson - I'd have to say the two are tied. I mean emotionally, I'd have to pick Brian, but technically... they're both good in their individual ways. So I end this post with a closing quote, though it has already been used in previous posts in this topic, a quote from the 2112 Overture: "And the meek shall inherit the Earth..." |
| mike hunt 07.06.2006 01:39 |
brian may is a better guitar player than alex. vocals-geddy is plain horrible. freddie is king. guitar-alex is good, but brian is better. bass- geddy wins easily, but john is good. drums- roger is great, but peart rules. songwriting goes to queen for their ability to write so many different styles of songs. |
| Hooligan's Holiday 07.06.2006 16:36 |
Well, I wouldn't say Geddy was HORRIBLE. I mean, he can WAIL! But, still. He's no Freddie. I mean, have you HEARD Working Man on the first album? I idolize that guy! He is like... a god to me! I mean, all of Rush/Queen are too but.... I dunno. |
| mutley 11.06.2006 17:36 |
What a load of crap Rush who!!! queen were the best 4 musians since the beatles and proberly better. There can be only one . |
| The Real Wizard 11.06.2006 21:45 |
mutley wrote: What a load of crap Rush who!!! queen were the best 4 musians since the beatles and proberly better. There can be only one .Always take seriously someone who can properly spell the words "musians" and "proberly". Really. |
| mystic_rhythms 02.07.2006 16:52 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Always take seriously someone who can properly spell the words "musians" and "proberly". Really.Sure thing, Sir GH. That guy proberly listens to a lot of different musians. lol Anyway, I just bought Signals, their 1982 album. It's interesting, it's sort of a bridge between their classic rock style and their foray into synths and such. (actually, they had been doing that since 1980's Permanent Waves) Yep. Rush is pretty kickass... |
| Aquillas 04.07.2006 15:39 |
My excuses for all the Rush fans who posted in this topic because I forgot to tell you: Rushzone is on the other side of the block! Who don't you go and post there? Take a look at your adress bar! What does it say? QUEENZONE??? Wow!!!! Wrong place... Scram!!! Nu mai postati dracului aici ca va ia mama naibii!!!! |
| teleman 04.07.2006 23:35 |
FlashCezar wrote: My excuses for all the Rush fans who posted in this topic because I forgot to tell you: Rushzone is on the other side of the block! Who don't you go and post there? Take a look at your adress bar! What does it say? QUEENZONE??? Wow!!!! Wrong place... Scram!!!The topic was started and people responded. Think about it. Every person who responded, whether a fan of Rush or not, is a Queen fan. You don't like other bands being talked about in context of how they compare to Queen? Big fucking deal. Get over it. |