| nibznik 01.01.2005 14:29 |
I know its the stupidest question ever but it's original you gotta give me that. And did Queen have any views on Bob Marley (ive been listening to alotta Ganja music lately) i figure if Freddie met sid vicious he must've met or at least said something about marley even if queens biggest worldwide rise was in 80-81 which was when Marley was sick with cancer. |
| Sebastian 01.01.2005 14:36 |
Cool Cat slightly resembles reggae with the guitar pattern. I think John met Bob, Crystal told thestory about that |
| The Fairy King 01.01.2005 14:50 |
Only Freddie came close to reggae with My Love Is Dangerous! |
| bigc 01.01.2005 15:15 |
rain must fall sounds slighty carribean, dont you think? or is that just me?lol |
| deleted user 01.01.2005 15:19 |
if it is a carribean gay bar |
| pma 01.01.2005 15:36 |
charles webster bizzle wrote: if it is a carribean gay barDamn straight... |
| Scirocco1977 01.01.2005 15:40 |
What about "Who needs You"? |
| The Fairy King 01.01.2005 15:41 |
That's no reggae! lol Thát's Spanish-folk-music-esque-ish-thingy. |
| Awesome-O _4000 01.01.2005 15:51 |
Scirocco1977 wrote: What about "Who needs You"?Actually that was my first thought too. But no, thats not reggae either, although it IS carribean-ish. |
| Freddie May 01.01.2005 16:20 |
What about the guitar parts in AOBTD ? |
| Sebastian 01.01.2005 16:39 |
Freddie May wrote: What about the guitar parts in AOBTD ?I'd say that's more funk than reggae |
| Awesome-O _4000 01.01.2005 16:58 |
Sebastian wrote:Maybe... if you were to hear just the guitar part and nothing else it WOULD be reggae. (notice I'm grasping at straws. this is the first musical genre I've come across that I haven't been able to pin down a song that Queen has done. lol)Freddie May wrote: What about the guitar parts in AOBTD ?I'd say that's more funk than reggae |
| The Fairy King 01.01.2005 17:07 |
They never did jazz...did they? noooo They some Vaudeville tho =) |
| Awesome-O _4000 01.01.2005 17:09 |
No, actually that one's easy. My melancholy Blues is TOTALLY jazz. And Dreamers Ball also has a jazz feel. Bring Back that Leroy Brown too. Now if you mean SWING that's a bit tougher. |
| Awesome-O _4000 01.01.2005 17:09 |
The Fairy King wrote: hmm Dreamers Ball? hmmOh ty Fairy King, I replied before I saw your post. |
| Daniel Nester 01.01.2005 17:53 |
"RE: Lily Of The Valley's response. Then don't ask it! Seriously I do like Bob Marley, I love him!" That was rude and stupid LOTV -- behave yourself... |
| *goodco* 01.01.2005 18:05 |
the previously mentioned MLID by Fred, and most of Roger's 'Future Management' Still recall a Creem issue around the time of the Flash soundtrack where Freddie said his current favorites were Aretha Franklin and The Police' 'Zenyatta Mendatta'. Wonder what Hot Space would have been like had they used more of the latter's style of music. |
| Awesome-O _4000 01.01.2005 18:05 |
<font color="crimson"><b>ThomasQuinn</b> wrote:Sorry pal, but it's time for a music lesson:Awesome-O _4000 wrote: No, actually that one's easy. My melancholy Blues is TOTALLY jazz. And Dreamers Ball also has a jazz feel. Bring Back that Leroy Brown too. Now if you mean SWING that's a bit tougher.Hell, no! They're not even CLOSE to jazz. My Melancholy Blues is...blues. Leroy Brown is rockabilly/country, Dreamers Ball is also blues. My Melancholy Blues is SO American jazz. I would know, I am an American. I can just here Ella Fitzgerald belting out "My Me-lan-coly, blu-u-u-ues". Leroy Brown is more Vaudvillian/Broadway but it definitely has a touch of 20's jazz. Dreamer's Ball is... well that is a genre all it's own I suppose, although the oohhhs in it slightly remind me of 40's and 50's duwap. And no, none of those are blues. But you know what is? Sleeping on the Sidewalk. If you want to hear blues listen to BBKing or Stevie Ray Vaughn and you'll see what I mean. (Wow, this topic is straying is it not?) |
| Awesome-O _4000 01.01.2005 18:07 |
And Bring Back that Leroy Brown is NOT country! *shudders* |
| markaw 01.01.2005 18:17 |
Hey my American cousin-I ain't gonna slam your musical knowledge but Dreamers Ball is Jazz not necessarily unadulterated Trad but not too far off-someone mentioned the legendary Ella Fitzgerald she could have sung this in the same drawn out style Freddie used and make it her own. |
| markaw 01.01.2005 18:19 |
Awesome SRV- now ya talking, Rory Gallagher did it for me aswell. |
| Panza Pedraza - FER 01.01.2005 18:39 |
For those who have been talking about "Who needs you". This kind of rhythm is called "Bolero", and is not spanish, is not salsa and is not another caribbean-ish like merengue or rumba. It´s very interesting that Queen have done a Bolero, and really good. This rhythm is from Central America, and has its roots in spanish colonial tradition and african stuffs, but is close to a ballad than salsa, and lyrics always talk about nostalgic things in a couple, even fights between girl and man. (I recommend a bolero called "Cheque en blanco", which is very funny). In this case John's sensation were close to a person who was upset. Personally, i don´t like boleros, but "Who needs you" is the exception, i love it. But certainly is not reggae at all. |
| Sebastian 01.01.2005 18:42 |
Dreamer's Ball is bluesy in structure and chords, the arrangement is a little jazzy Melancholy doesn't have (many) jazzy chords and is far from being "authentic" jazz but imo is closer to that than blues. |
| Panza Pedraza - FER 01.01.2005 18:44 |
For those who have been talking about "Who needs you". This kind of rhythm is called "Bolero", and is not spanish, is not salsa and is not another caribbean-ish like merengue or rumba. It´s very interesting that Queen have done a Bolero, and really good. This rhythm is from Central America, and has its roots in spanish colonial tradition and african stuffs, but is close to a ballad than salsa, and lyrics always talk about nostalgic things in a couple, even fights between girl and man. (I recommend a bolero called "Cheque en blanco", which is very funny). In this case John's sensation were close to a person who was upset. Personally, i don´t like boleros, but "Who needs you" is the exception, i love it. But certainly is not reggae at all. |
| Panza Pedraza - FER 01.01.2005 18:46 |
Sorry for the replay of my commnet, my mistake. |
| Sebastian 01.01.2005 18:53 |
But jazz is more than just jazz-chords.Yes. Same about blues or anything. That's why I said Melancholy is far from being authentic traditional jazz. It uses a very different language. Of course if you play it at the piano most people would think it's jazz, same as most people would think Who Needs You is flamenco even though it couldn't be more different. Unless you're in a musicians party |
| Awesome-O _4000 01.01.2005 19:40 |
Does jazz mean something different in the Netherlands? |
| Sebastian 01.01.2005 19:58 |
Awesome-O _4000 wrote: Does jazz mean something different in the Netherlands?Yes. In The Netherlands Mills Brothers, Bangles and Pointer Sisters are jazz. In third world countries jazz is belittled to nursery rhyme and in the US zamba, samba and xamba have been promoted to the title of jazz. China has strong economy now therefore what they call jazz there is just some Choi Lee Fut masters lifting weights with their eye-brows, and "jazz" is now called "iniaow"; Portugal lost the Eurocup therefore their inversion got lowered and jazz had to be exchanged by flamenco. Myanmar have an aggro in their political situation, hence, Beyonce is the top jazz artist there and Usher is the seminal baroque musician. |
| Ms. Bea Haven 02.01.2005 12:39 |
Queen/Reggae? Nope. BUT - if you are lucky enough to get to hear Margareth Menezes (she's a Brazilian pop star) cover of "Love of My Life" - you'll get your wish. I'm holding her "Gente de Festa" CD (sorry - it's out of print) with this cover version in my grubby little hands "right now!" |
| Danny 02.01.2005 16:02 |
It´s not Queen actually, but typical reggae song is Fred and Jo Dare´s Hold on from 1986. |
| Awesome-O _4000 02.01.2005 22:00 |
<font color="crimson"><b>ThomasQuinn</b> wrote:haha very funny. Listen Thomas Quinn I still think you're wrong (and highly doubt you know more about music than I do, good joke) but I do apologize for being so rude. bad day, you know.Sebastian wrote:LOL! That's some pretty nice sarcasm!!!Awesome-O _4000 wrote: Does jazz mean something different in the Netherlands?Yes. In The Netherlands Mills Brothers, Bangles and Pointer Sisters are jazz. In third world countries jazz is belittled to nursery rhyme and in the US zamba, samba and xamba have been promoted to the title of jazz. China has strong economy now therefore what they call jazz there is just some Choi Lee Fut masters lifting weights with their eye-brows, and "jazz" is now called "iniaow"; Portugal lost the Eurocup therefore their inversion got lowered and jazz had to be exchanged by flamenco. Myanmar have an aggro in their political situation, hence, Beyonce is the top jazz artist there and Usher is the seminal baroque musician. I suppose just agree to disagree, hehe. |
| Gondorian Queen Fan 03.01.2005 09:50 |
? ???? ???? ?????? |
| Joost 03.01.2005 10:06 |
what about money can't buy happiness? |
| PD. 03.01.2005 10:44 |
I may be wrong but I think "My Melancholy Blues" is influenced more strongely by jazz standards than by blues standards. The square phrasing that is present in MMB (except the intro) is a trademark of both genre. The songform is unusual for both genre. The shuffle beat is tad more bluesy than jazzy. The harmony much more jazzy than bluesy (too much chromaticism, hardly any sign of the 12 bar blues progression in contrast with Dreamers Ball). In the BBC version Brian plays a short lick which is very jazz-clarinet-esque. |
| Hildur Helga:) 03.01.2005 12:43 |
nooo..or what?:S |
| enoky 03.01.2005 13:06 |
Especially the diminished chords and the parallel IV > iv change I tend to relate with jazz, as well as the progression from maj 7th to minor 7th is very jazz generic. The most bluesy aspect in Melancholy Blues is the title imo Seb |
| Awesome-O _4000 03.01.2005 13:20 |
You want my thoughts well here goes... Most of my knowledge comes from being an alto saxophone player and a dancer (pointe, tap, and jazz), and a as a jazz dancer let me just say that in the particular Jazz style, while the rhythms in Dreamers ball are too straight line for jazz the chords and arrangement follow the acceptable patterns. In fact the sophisticated harmonic idiom is what distinguishes it and makes it have a jazzy feel. My melancholy blues I’m still steadfast in saying that it is slow jazz, because chord patters and rhythm. You are correct about the 12-bar structure but that alone does not make it blues. My melancholy blues doesn’t even have a syncopated 4/4 rhythm OR flattened thirds and sevenths, which is essential. Neither have three-line stanzas where the second line repeats the first, and perhaps most importantly is the absence of a heavy baseline. So there you have it. That is why I think they are more Jazz. Granted obviously not “true” jazz, but as I mentioned before, My Melancholy Blues was fit for Ella Fitzgerald if I do say so myself! Edit: and PD. and Enoky? Excellent points! |
| mystic_rhythms 03.01.2005 14:17 |
what about Rain Must Fall? The drums used in there are closer to reggae than anything else, in my opinion. The beat is so reggae. Well, not Bob Marley reggae, but generic reggae. Wouldn't you agree? |
| bigc 03.01.2005 16:10 |
i suggested rain must fall |
| Awesome-O _4000 03.01.2005 18:00 |
haha sure whatever, it's obvious we're not going to agree. Nice chatting music w/ you anyway, lol. |