on my way up 29.12.2004 09:16 |
can anyone say what is best and why.I only have wembley on dvd.I have often heard that budapest is much better so can anyone give me a nice little review |
The Fairy King 29.12.2004 09:26 |
Can't compare, Budapest is too short compared to Wembley! But if u mean the performance i have to say Budapest woz better! |
Brian_Mays_Wig 29.12.2004 09:45 |
But you cant play guitar to Budapest cos the tuning is slightly up, so id have to say Wembley :D |
David Jones 29.12.2004 09:56 |
Thats cause its filmed on film, not video... Simply tune your guitar up! I think cause its faster, Budapest comes across better, but slow it down to the right speed and theres not much in it - there both mammoth gigs, Wembley as it was a home crowd, one year on from Live Aid and they were massive again, Budapest cause it was a Western group playing behind the Iron Curtain. I personally like both in equal measures... |
Serry... 29.12.2004 10:12 |
Audience were lazy in both cases... Budapest's video was edited and that's why Wembley is better. Wembley was an event, Budapest was a gig. |
MatiasQueen89 29.12.2004 11:24 |
I preffer Budapest, Freddie's performance is great. But Wembley's so fucking awesome, it's great. |
brENsKi 29.12.2004 11:33 |
budapest was the EVENT it was queen's first gig behind the iron curtain |
deleted user 29.12.2004 17:09 |
I'm not too sure. I like them both the same. Probably Wembley a little more though. I like some bits in Budapest more than Wembley but then again i like some bits in Wembley more than Budapest which makes it hard too chose but i'll go with Wembley. Budapest is still an excellent concert though. |
brENsKi 29.12.2004 17:27 |
i was only disputing the "event" tag that someone else placed on wembley (i wasn't saying which was best) just which was the EVENT ...and that because of Queen's first visit behind the Iron Curtain made it a bigger event |
freddieismyqueen 29.12.2004 23:23 |
I would have to say Wembley. Budapest was shorter in comparison and the showmanship was exceptional, but Wembley was a masterpiece from the opening chords of One Vision to the band's exit to God Save the Queen. Everything went perfectly that night. The impromptu...and Brian's guitar solo was the most beautiful I have ever heard. There's one bit in particular that stands out to me...it sounds so sad and mournful. I've never been able to capture quite the feeling on guitar he captured that night at Wembley. Phenomenal, really. |
deleted user 30.12.2004 00:31 |
but Budapest has "Tavasi Szel", and no concert will ever have that. That thing alone grabs my vote. |
Benn 30.12.2004 05:41 |
Sadly, both shows display the complete lack of versatility in that band by that point. teh set lists were stale and boring, with the same solos played in exactly the same way - and pretty much the same things said to the audiences each time. What IS a shame is that the first night of the Wembley shows wasn't filmed properly - now that was twice the show that ANY of the filmed shows were. The guys were genuinely thrilled to be back in London and Brian specifically was in awesome form. |
Serry... 30.12.2004 08:27 |
<marquee><font color = green>Brenski wrote: i was only disputing the "event" tag that someone else placed on wembley (i wasn't saying which was best) just which was the EVENT ...and that because of Queen's first visit behind the Iron Curtain made it a bigger eventAs a man who lived in USSR I must tell you that Hungary WAS NOT behind the Iron Curtain! People used to think it was, but it wasn't. As well as former Yugoslavia wasn't and Queen played there at 1979! |
maxpower 30.12.2004 14:30 |
budapest wasnt any shorter than wembley gig wise, just queen had the habit of severely editing videos, when the original budapest vhs tape came out in 1987 & wembley in 1990, so until the full version comes out on dvd ill hold judgement but the one major plus point for budapest it was a night gig, so the lights have a far greater effect right from the off |
Benn 31.12.2004 06:16 |
>but the one major plus point for budapest it >was a night gig, so the lights have a far >greater effect right from the off ......as opposed to the performance and / or music being any better? I can't see why "lights" would make the show any better or worse; surely, if you're spending time watching the lightshow, you're missing out on the more important aspects of the gig? |
don't_stop_me_now 9697 01.01.2005 17:56 |
IMO their performance is much better in Budapest. Brian's guitar sounds so great. |
Fenderek 01.01.2005 19:58 |
I said that so many times... Budapest- Fred's voice was in great shape! @ Wembley it was much worse... AND- the band doesn't sound like a unit as much as it did in budapest (and Knebworth and Lleiden and first night @ Wembley and...) |
Mkls 02.01.2005 06:51 |
"As a man who lived in USSR I must tell you that Hungary WAS NOT behind the Iron Curtain! People used to think it was, but it wasn't. As well as former Yugoslavia wasn't and Queen played there at 1979! " get some history book in your hand then... hard to forget 45 years of Russian troops stationing in Hungary...... |
brENsKi 02.01.2005 07:57 |
thanks Miklos, i thought i was right on this Sergey - go to link or try link where it says: Iron Curtain On March 5, 1946, in describing the recent appearance of economic, social, and military barriers between Eastern and Western Europe, Winston Churchill said in Fulton in the United States, that "From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic, an Iron Curtain has descended across the continent." This vivid metaphor caught the public imagination, and phrases such as "behind the Iron Curtain" remained in widespread use right up until the collapse of Communism. The Europan countries which were considered to be "behind the Iron Curtain" included: Poland, Estearn Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania and the Soviet Union. From North Korea to Cuba more countries were separated from the West in the same sense. i did wwII histroy at school - and although it was quite a long time since i was at school i haven't forgoten it. check the facts fella, then feel free to admit you are wrong. happy new year, mate |
brENsKi 02.01.2005 08:05 |
and isn't Zagreb (where Queen played in 79) part of croatia? if so then although Yugoslavia was behind the curtain - it is also accepted tht Croatia (although part of Yugoslavia) has always enjoyed a little more freedom - european packahe holidays have been available in Dubrovnik for 30 years |
KevMull 02.01.2005 10:18 |
Budapest is superior but PAL version is best avoided as it is speeded up (by 4%) to convert the film fps. Anybody else notice this or done a comparison? Best stick to the NTSC version. Same goes for WWRY |
Flo Joe 02.01.2005 11:44 |
I think for the following reasons Budapest is the better show: -Budapest was in darkness, so the whole show benefits of the lights -Freddie's voice is much better in Budapest -The whole sound is better in Budapest Just compare Tutti Frutti, Tie your mother down or Hammer to Fall. Or simply Freddie singing one Vision! The only advantage for Wembley is the audience. |
Zsolt 09.08.2005 11:29 |
You idiot Miklos! I must tell you that Hungary WAS behind the Iron Curtain!!!!!!!! |
Rompez 09.08.2005 12:03 |
Yes, Hungry was behind Irion curtain and Budapest gig is far superior to Wembley in terms of performance, no doubt. But I can undeststand why englishman prefers Wembley :) I can add that these two gigs have very different feel and atmosphere, so I can enjoy them both but in different way. |
Mkls 09.08.2005 12:16 |
Zsolt wrote: You idiot Miklos! I must tell you that Hungary WAS behind the Iron Curtain!!!!!!!!beverem a fejed legkozelebb |
ok.computer 09.08.2005 14:40 |
Flo Joe wrote: ((SNIP)) The only advantage for Wembley is the audience.I have to say, this is Wembley's major selling point. I have quite a wide taste in music, and a variety of live DVDs. A mates round, some beers had, a music DVD goes on. Without fail, everyone ALWAYS comments on the crowd at Wembley. There's an overhead shot with Freddie in the foreground, and the crowd going ballistic near the start of TYMD. That's the clincher. It's the only concert where you see the crowd joining on all the way through songs. Most others, the clapping fades halfway through a song. Cheers Paul |
luthorn 09.08.2005 15:27 |
Wembley had better crowd. The audience going mad at the end of the opera section of BR, awesome crowd participation in radio Ga Ga everyone was clapping their hands. As far as band is concerned both performances are OK, I mean it is energetic but they play like they don't care or are bored. |
Little_Queenie 09.08.2005 16:09 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: and isn't Zagreb (where Queen played in 79) part of croatia? if so then although Yugoslavia was behind the curtain - it is also accepted tht Croatia (although part of Yugoslavia) has always enjoyed a little more freedom - european packahe holidays have been available in Dubrovnik for 30 yearsOf course it is, it is the capital of Croatia. Yes, Queen played here in '79, but still I wouldn't say we enjoyed "more freedom" as you said.. You might get that impression cause among the ex Yu countires Croatia always had the most developed tourism, mainly because of Dalmatia and our Adriatic sea. But it was the double side razor at the same time cause through the history someone always wanted to take it away from us (Italy, Serbia, Hungary, Slovenia etc etc.) and in the end it led to the last war where we finally got our independence. If we ever enjoyed any more freedom than the rest, I doubt any of this would've happen in the first place. Back to the topic, I like Budapest more cause Freddie sang better, his voice was in better shape than at Wembley and the whole band looked more "together"... but anyway, both gigs were great! |
tupincs 10.08.2005 08:18 |
Miklos wrote:Ne hagyd magad, Zsolt! :)))Zsolt wrote: You idiot Miklos! I must tell you that Hungary WAS behind the Iron Curtain!!!!!!!!beverem a fejed legkozelebb BTW I found Budapest better and I don't think the Hungarian audience was worse. I think they were really surprised that the audience knew the songs and could sing them. I saw it on Freddie's face as he let them sing in 'Love of my Life'. And of course there is 'Tavaszi szél'. I don't know if non-Hungarian fans could think what it meant to us. |
Jamaleni 10.08.2005 15:27 |
Little_Queenie wrote:E lijepo si mu rekla ;o) (Sorry everyone, a small joke on Croatian)<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: and isn't Zagreb (where Queen played in 79) part of croatia? if so then although Yugoslavia was behind the curtain - it is also accepted tht Croatia (although part of Yugoslavia) has always enjoyed a little more freedom - european packahe holidays have been available in Dubrovnik for 30 yearsOf course it is, it is the capital of Croatia. Yes, Queen played here in '79, but still I wouldn't say we enjoyed "more freedom" as you said.. You might get that impression cause among the ex Yu countires Croatia always had the most developed tourism, mainly because of Dalmatia and our Adriatic sea. But it was the double side razor at the same time cause through the history someone always wanted to take it away from us (Italy, Serbia, Hungary, Slovenia etc etc.) and in the end it led to the last war where we finally got our independence. If we ever enjoyed any more freedom than the rest, I doubt any of this would've happen in the first place. Back to the topic, I like Budapest more cause Freddie sang better, his voice was in better shape than at Wembley and the whole band looked more "together"... but anyway, both gigs were great! |
proton 11.08.2005 04:52 |
Budapest is from a recording point of view better. It was filmed on filmnegative while Wembley was recorded on videotapes. Also Budapest was filmed in 16:9 widescreen while Wembley has a 4:3 ratio. If they polish up the footage like they did with Montreal 1981, this could be a cool release. |
Little_Queenie 12.08.2005 06:17 |
Jamaleni wrote:Ma smijesno mi je kad pricaju o stvarima o kojima nemaju pojma, mi uzivali vise slobode, ma kako da ne ;)) Nisam do sad skuzila ovdje nikog iz Hrvatske, drago mi je da vidim da nisam jedina:)Little_Queenie wrote:E lijepo si mu rekla ;o) (Sorry everyone, a small joke on Croatian)<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: and isn't Zagreb (where Queen played in 79) part of croatia? if so then although Yugoslavia was behind the curtain - it is also accepted tht Croatia (although part of Yugoslavia) has always enjoyed a little more freedom - european packahe holidays have been available in Dubrovnik for 30 yearsOf course it is, it is the capital of Croatia. Yes, Queen played here in '79, but still I wouldn't say we enjoyed "more freedom" as you said.. You might get that impression cause among the ex Yu countires Croatia always had the most developed tourism, mainly because of Dalmatia and our Adriatic sea. But it was the double side razor at the same time cause through the history someone always wanted to take it away from us (Italy, Serbia, Hungary, Slovenia etc etc.) and in the end it led to the last war where we finally got our independence. If we ever enjoyed any more freedom than the rest, I doubt any of this would've happen in the first place. Back to the topic, I like Budapest more cause Freddie sang better, his voice was in better shape than at Wembley and the whole band looked more "together"... but anyway, both gigs were great! |
tupincs 15.08.2005 11:23 |
Sorry for almost killing this topic with Hungarian / Croatian sentences! I was always wondering how 'Tavaszi szél' sounds for people who don't understand what it says. Can you help me in that one? Thanx. |
Little_Queenie 15.08.2005 11:28 |
Sounds great!! I didn't understand it when first heard it (on Budapest '86 gig), but then some friends translated it to me so I knew the words later. But it sounds great anyway, it's really nice tune. |
tupincs 15.08.2005 11:37 |
We usually learn it in the kindergarten. At least I did so. Needless to say haven't heard of Queen that time. It's a pure melody and isn't really hard to sing. I once won a folk song singing competion with 'Tavaszi szél'. In the grammar school. :D |
Little_Queenie 15.08.2005 11:44 |
Were you in Sportarena 23.4.? I suppose you were, but just asking:) |
tupincs 15.08.2005 11:50 |
How did you know that? :) I was there of course. |
Little_Queenie 15.08.2005 11:54 |
Well it wasn't hard to get it since you're from Hungary:)) I was there too, it really was a great show. The crowd cried like mad during the whole concert lol;) |
KevMull 15.08.2005 12:13 |
proton wrote: Budapest is from a recording point of view better. It was filmed on filmnegative while Wembley was recorded on videotapes. Also Budapest was filmed in 16:9 widescreen while Wembley has a 4:3 ratio. If they polish up the footage like they did with Montreal 1981, this could be a cool release.Budapest was filmed 1.85:1 (Matted, 70mm). Agree, far superior to Wembley on video tape but not necesarily superior to 4:3 ratio. BUT, film transfer better to NTSC as there is no 4% speed up with PAL. Has nobody noticed the way Flash sounds slightly faster on a PAL DVD of Flash Gordon? And also where are all the 'HDTV owning Queen fans' in the US? Do you not want to see a High def transfer to HD/Blu Ray DVD of Budapest? ( I DO) You can't do thi swith wembley. |
proton 15.08.2005 16:53 |
1.85:1 is same as 16:9 :-) only thing wider is cinemascope movies: 2.35:1 :-) |
KevMull 16.08.2005 19:40 |
Sorry to be pedantic but my maths tell me that 16:9 is the same as 1.77:1 and there are literaly SEVERAL wider aspect ratios than 1.85:1. I think have at least five films on DVD with different, wider aspect ratios than 1.85:1 ;) |
teleman 17.08.2005 01:21 |
I just found my Budapest VHS after about a decade. After watching it I think Busapest was better than Wembley. I'll watch Wembley more since I have it on DVD. |
queenlegends 17.08.2005 08:12 |
When I was watching the budapest show it appeared slightly blury to me and too much light, I dont think the picture of the show was as good as the wembley show but the budapest is a much better show. |
tupincs 17.08.2005 09:33 |
teleman wrote: I just found my Budapest VHS after about a decade."Busapest, Busapest, Te csodás!" Sorry, I know, You can type my homecity's name correctly, but it's so funny. Busa is eventually a fish in Hungarian. Nevermind. Wembley had less soul. If you get what I mean. |
on my way up 17.08.2005 10:36 |
I've heard them both(have only seen wembley though)and i must say that freddie is really much much better than at wembley and there are also a few cool moments like freddie who sings:it's really nice to be here tonight...and the little improvisation before tutti frutti and the great versions of WWTLF and IWTBF and One vision and also we are the champions is much better than at wembley |
s.m. 26.08.2005 16:41 |
Little_Queenie wrote:ma di bi bila jedina :)Jamaleni wrote:Ma smijesno mi je kad pricaju o stvarima o kojima nemaju pojma, mi uzivali vise slobode, ma kako da ne ;)) Nisam do sad skuzila ovdje nikog iz Hrvatske, drago mi je da vidim da nisam jedina:)Little_Queenie wrote:E lijepo si mu rekla ;o) (Sorry everyone, a small joke on Croatian)<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: and isn't Zagreb (where Queen played in 79) part of croatia? if so then although Yugoslavia was behind the curtain - it is also accepted tht Croatia (although part of Yugoslavia) has always enjoyed a little more freedom - european packahe holidays have been available in Dubrovnik for 30 yearsOf course it is, it is the capital of Croatia. Yes, Queen played here in '79, but still I wouldn't say we enjoyed "more freedom" as you said.. You might get that impression cause among the ex Yu countires Croatia always had the most developed tourism, mainly because of Dalmatia and our Adriatic sea. But it was the double side razor at the same time cause through the history someone always wanted to take it away from us (Italy, Serbia, Hungary, Slovenia etc etc.) and in the end it led to the last war where we finally got our independence. If we ever enjoyed any more freedom than the rest, I doubt any of this would've happen in the first place. Back to the topic, I like Budapest more cause Freddie sang better, his voice was in better shape than at Wembley and the whole band looked more "together"... but anyway, both gigs were great! vidim da nas ovdje ima dosta, al nismo organizirani :p u svakom slucaju, dobro si im odgovorila |
KevMull 27.08.2005 08:59 |
Well I've seen Budapest at the cinema on the big screen and it looks AWESOME! Somehow I don't think Wembley blown up to a cinema screen will look to hot! |
deleted user 27.08.2005 09:09 |
well my opinion is:- Budapest is great cos i know its dubbed but sounds great, looks fantastic, Wembley i think could be dubbed a little more cos you cant hear drums very well, treble mainly. but they are both equally brilliant. almost impossible to choose! |
deleted user 22.10.2005 15:55 |
MY BEST MATE BIDDED THAT FOR 2POUNDS ON EBAY |
Asterik 06.11.2005 06:35 |
Benn wrote: Sadly, both shows display the complete lack of versatility in that band by that point. teh set lists were stale and boring, with the same solos played in exactly the same way - and pretty much the same things said to the audiences each time. What IS a shame is that the first night of the Wembley shows wasn't filmed properly - now that was twice the show that ANY of the filmed shows were. The guys were genuinely thrilled to be back in London and Brian specifically was in awesome form.I don't agree about them being boring with their sound, in fact they really changed a lot of their songs on that tour- AKOM was given a Rolling Stones type feel to it- very agressive and rock based. I Want To break Free and Another One Bites The Dust were also much heavier than in the studio so you are very wrong in that respect. However, I do agree about the setlist. The Works setlist was much better because it balanced old and new. Then Queen discarded Killer Queen, Somebody To Love, Death On Two Legs, Dragon Attack and Keep Yourslef Alive and replaced them with 1950s songs. There is no comparison. Why did Freddie seem so reluctant to do piano- based songs? They should have thrown more early ones in like White Queen or DOTL. It was a disgrace that Somebody To Love was dropped. |
deleted user 06.11.2005 12:58 |
I havent seen it,but Wembley has always been my best dvd, since I was a Queenfan.So I cant judge them. |
The Real Wizard 06.11.2005 23:26 |
Asterik wrote: Why did Freddie seem so reluctant to do piano- based songs?I'd say it was because he wanted to roam around more. |
Asterik 07.11.2005 16:27 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Yes, I think that's a fair point.Asterik wrote: Why did Freddie seem so reluctant to do piano- based songs?I'd say it was because he wanted to roam around more. |
lozitopj 08.11.2005 09:03 |
Even though Wembley is important for Queen fans, because of the magnitude of the event in England, Budapest is a better show. A couple of reasons is because they finally were able to play behind the iron curtain in Budapest. Queen's music that Hungarians actually would have at their homes were imported from then Yugoslavia, so seeing them was even more magical and secondly as far as Freddie's voice; it was better at Budapest. I'm not knocking Wembley at all, because I have both the CD and DVD versions. With that take care and have a better day!!!!!!!! |