| daniboy 19.12.2004 04:54 |
Yes folks, it was supposed to be the best news for those who live by the "queen way"-queen is going to perform again.... BUTTT....is it realy what we want? When the first show will start-won't something be missing? Im a huge fan since 86' and i cant listen to any live queen song which is not performed by freddie. I'm sure he is going to cry from heaven-all the things he built in his life will be ruind-by his best friends... BRI AND ROG-PLEASE!!! DONT GO UNDER THE NAME "QUEEN"!!!!! |
| deleted user 19.12.2004 07:30 |
I sort6 of think that but then again what the song The Show Must Go On about? |
| Yogurt 19.12.2004 08:16 |
Freddie is going to cry because Briand and Roger are carring on the music? I don't think its offensive to Freddie in Heaven because Paul Rogers was one of Freddies favorite singers. I don't think they are doing this to replace Freddie. Brian and Roger said it on an interview. No one can replace Freddie. They are simply carring the music. |
| Danne 19.12.2004 08:41 |
daniboy wrote: Yes folks, it was supposed to be the best news for those who live by the "queen way"-queen is going to perform again.... BUTTT....is it realy what we want?I know it's what I really want. |
| gmedwards 19.12.2004 09:15 |
i cant wait! |
| Cricket Nutter 19.12.2004 09:35 |
First time on this site. I'm just 16 and I am suge a big Queen fan. I have all the videos they've released and just about all the CDs. I will never get the chance to see 'Queen' again I doubt so this news its great for me. I know nobody can replace Freddie, but I am going to one of these shows (it'll be the first band I ever see) and I'm gonna enjoy every minute of it, without freddie or not. For people like me this news is fucking brilliant. Thankyou Brian + Roger, and John for supporting it! |
| Cricket Nutter 19.12.2004 09:36 |
I meant to say such! not suge lol |
| Jeremy Mercury 30.01.2005 11:23 |
I am more of a Freddie fan than a Queen fan. I love Queen's music, but only with Freddie singing it. It was the personality that was brought to the music by Freddie, and no one can reproduce that personality. As a Freddie fan, I am disgusted that they are bringing in a new lead singer as Freddie's replacement. I think that once he passed away, that should have been it. It was ok when Roger and Brian went by themselves and sang the songs, and even then it sucked. But now, there is a permanent replacement. It makes me sick. |
| LiveAidQueen 30.01.2005 15:25 |
I'm staying out of it. Let's just leave it alone... |
| wesi72 30.01.2005 17:40 |
Hear, hear "End of session!!!!!" Andrew |
| QueenSite 30.01.2005 19:00 |
nobody knows if Freddie cries, maybe he's laughin', maybe he's happy. Nobody knows it, it's unfair to talk in his place |
| RohemianBapsody 30.01.2005 19:03 |
For all fans that have not been to a Queen concert this could be their only chance of seeing their heros. I do not think Freddie will be crying from heaven, in fact he would be proud that his songs are still heard this long after he passed away. The most difficult concert I went to was the FMTC. I had been a Queen fan for many years, and this was the first time I had seen them play without Freddie. Still a brilliantly memorable concert. The same can be said for WWRY; hearing Queen songs without any of the original members playing, but the songs are still as awesome. Rather than slag of the tour, lets wait and see. |
| Steve P 30.01.2005 20:09 |
Well said Ro, Those who have been following queen for the many years they were performed live, they will be able to understand when I say the concerts were a lifetime experience. Brian went out with Spike, Cozy, Jamie and Neil and Co. and again the concerts were fantastic. So what is different now ? Roger will be out there!!!!!! (Who incidentaly was the other founder member and designer of Queen and was later joined by Freddie and John. They are giving younger fans the opportunity to see the crowd reaction to Bo Rap and Ga Ga. Having seen both Queen and Free "LIVE" please just enjoy it, and as I posted somewhere on here before ......... This concert will Rock. Trust Me |
| impact 31.01.2005 04:29 |
i think that theres something a lot of you anti-tour peeps are forgetting......hellllooooooo?....just because you are great queen fans (which i dont doubt) it does not mean to say you own them or are on the board of directors at "queen inc.". get what im sayin? its their band, they worked for it, the fame, the money, everything.we all loved fred, but that does not give us the right to decide what the rest of the band should do with their post fred lives.if ya dont like the idea dont bloody go , simple.stop bringing 'em down. |
| jasen101 31.01.2005 04:57 |
Oh god....what a stupid topic. |
| Hankster 31.01.2005 05:09 |
ye .. of happiness! |
| GiantSpider 31.01.2005 13:23 |
Wasn't that the quote? "Who cares what people think when i'm dead, I won't." |
| We Are The Champions 31.01.2005 15:32 |
No he won't.....he'll have a big smile on his face!. Freddie always lived life to the full, was a brilliant showman and fantastic singer. He'd be absolutely delighted that Bri & Rog are touring with one of his favourite singers and he wouldn't have it any other way!. Let's hope they blow every gig apart and blow the roof off!! Freddie will probably be sipping champagne and saying:- "F*** them darling, let's go and play and entertain the crowd for 2 hrs!". Whingers... just stop all the negativity, apathy and just go and enjoy a great night of rock'roll with a beer in hand......life is for living and get in Queen party mood for this tour. I intend to enjoy my gig and I also wouldn't have it any other way. |
| GonnaUseMyPrisoners 31.01.2005 23:54 |
jasen101 wrote: Oh god....what a stupid topic.stupid, yes. but what topic? all I read is whining-o-gaga. |
| Want To Live Forever 11.04.2005 21:22 |
i dont think so |
| deleted user 12.04.2005 02:35 |
havent we had this convo about 300times before this, "hello its not queen" etc... |
| Lawyeris 12.04.2005 04:10 |
Daniboy, I suppose a song "The show must go on" doesnt tell (hint) you anything, does it? |
| Knute 12.04.2005 05:25 |
Freddie is crying from heaven...with tears of joy. His music still lives in us. His spirit is touched. |
| Fairy 12.04.2005 05:45 |
Daniboy, I feel like you in the sense that I can't hear Queen songs not performed by Freddie (or other Queen members), so that's why I didn't go to the gigs. And I too find their use of the name Queen annoying. But I don't think Freddie is sad at all. Nobody knows what Freddie is thinking, but if he is in Heaven, all he can want for anyone is to be happy: if the tour makes Brian and Roger happy, they should go. If the gigs make fans happy, they should go. And those like you and I who find it too heartbreaking should not go. I think any resentment is gone in Heaven...Freddie right now is too elevated spiritually for being mad at anyone. But I agree that this is just a replay of the old shows...No new stuff. So I don't think this tour really follows the show must go on motto...Freddie may find it a bit boring....perhaps? :-) Fairy |
| Scott_Mercury 12.04.2005 08:11 |
Maybe I am a fence rider on this? I hate the fact that they are touring under the name Queen. However, if they come to the USA, I'm going to go see them. Not because of hoarse, out of tune Paul Rodgers.... but because then at least I can say I've seen 2 of the 4 members. To respond to someone up above.... While its true that Taylor and May were the first members together...lets not kidd ourselves. Queen, the name and ALL, became Queen when Freddie became the singer. Freddie brought the freshness, the attitude, the uniqueness, and while Brian's guitar sound is a big part of Queen.... that sound is derived from him playing off of Freddie's piano and vocal harmony's.....in a sense, Freddie MADE Brian HAVE to become a better guitarist. Freddie Mercury had the "it" factor. Something in his personality around 1970-1973 was going to make him a star..... it didn't matter what band he was in....or the members. He was going to make it. Without Freddie Mercury, the world would have never known who Taylor/May/Deacon were, because they would have been in flopping bar bands, then used their degree's to pursue other career's..... "Smile" would be a bar band that would have broke up in 1973, only to be remembered and talked about by 2 drunk Englishmen now in their sixties who remember getting drunk listening to the legendary music of Tim Staffel (sarcasm). No Freddie = No Queen You guys can piss and moan all you want that "they can do what they want with the name, they've worked hard"....whatever. Let me ask you this..... If Brian May died in 1991, and Roger Taylor decided to retire for good, and Freddie was still alive, and wanted to tour. What would he tour as???? Answer: Freddie Mercury Freddie would NOT use the Queen name with half the members gone for 2 reasons. 1) Its disrespectful as hell. 2) He wouldn't need to. Anyone whose heard the radio, or watched a music station for 2 hours KNOWS who Freddie Mercury is. Thats the only name that would be posted outside...and the shows would be sold out. TONIGHT FREDDIE MERCURY LIVE But what if Brian May and Roger Talyor put TONIGHT BRIAN MAY/ROGER TAYLOR/PAUL RODGERS LIVE Hmmmm....thats not as powerful is it? I can see it now, some dumbass "Roger Taylor? is Duran Duran playing?" Queen is still used on the marquee out front because unless you are a die hard Queen fan, no one knows who the f*^k Roger Taylor or Brian May is.... and people know Paul Rodgers sang for one of the 1970's "classic rock" bands that all sounded alike. |
| Fenderek 12.04.2005 08:51 |
Scott_Mercury wrote: Something in his personality around 1970-1973 was going to make him a star..... it didn't matter what band he was in....or the members.Very inteeresting... I just wander- why the hell the whole world never noticed Ibex or Soul Milk Sea...? Why Wreckege is not being mentioned alongside Zeppelin or Sabbath... Oh, sorry- that's logic... Scott_Mercury wrote: that sound is derived from him playing off of Freddie's piano and vocal harmony's.....in a sense, Freddie MADE Brian HAVE to become a better guitarist.Bollocks- listen to Smile carefully- the sound was already there... Same with Roger- he was already agreat drummer (and a good vocalist as well) before they met Fred... Scott_Mercury wrote: Freddie brought the freshness, the attitude, the uniquenessOk- I would be an idiot disagreeing with THAT. BUT the thing is- no-one is denying it... Scott_Mercury wrote: Without Freddie Mercury, the world would have never known who Taylor/May/Deacon were, because they would have been in flopping bar bands, then used their degree's to pursue other career's...Now that's just pure bollocks... Peter Gabriel I've heard was offering in old days drummer position in newly formed Genesis to Roger. Not Queen- it would have been sth else. Freddie didn't taught them how to play their instruments, for cry out loud! And Brian wrote sth as good and beautiful as WHITE QUEEN BEFORE he met Fred... Scott_Mercury wrote: "Smile" would be a bar band that would have broke up in 1973, only to be remembered and talked about by 2 drunk Englishmen now in their sixties who remember getting drunk listening to the legendary music of Tim Staffel (sarcasm).Now you're just talking bollocks... Scott_Mercury wrote: Let me ask you this..... If Brian May died in 1991, and Roger Taylor decided to retire for good, and Freddie was still alive, and wanted to tour. What would he tour as???? Answer: Freddie Mercury Freddie would NOT use the Queen name with half the members gone for 2 reasons.LMAO And how the fuck do you know this!!! How old are you? 11? You can't be older, judging by the things you write... Scott_Mercury wrote: and people know Paul Rodgers sang for one of the 1970's "classic rock" bands that all sounded alike.I think you and the likes of PermedPuddleOrWhateverWasHisName are the ones who sound alike... Get a life, you're losing a lot of energy posting pure shit that doesn't make any sense. I'm tired of all this. The shows are happening. Shot yourself if you really don't like it that much and if it's that disturbing. Or take painkillers. Or go get drunk and tell ppl in the bar what bastards Brian and Roger are. They hurt you (and poor Freddie) so much...... |
| Fenderek 12.04.2005 08:53 |
Scott_Mercury wrote: Queen is still used on the marquee out front because unless you are a die hard Queen fan, no one knows who the f*^k Roger Taylor or Brian May is....This is a proof you're an idiot. In many countries Brian is ALMOST as popular as Freddie. The only thing that makes him LESS popular is the fact that he's not dead... |
| MercuryArts 12.04.2005 11:03 |
I think you and the likes of PermedPuddleOrWhateverWasHisName are the ones who sound alike... Get a life, you're losing a lot of energy posting pure shit that doesn't make any sense. I'm tired of all this. The shows are happening. Shot yourself if you really don't like it that much and if it's that disturbing. Or take painkillers. Or go get drunk and tell ppl in the bar what bastards Brian and Roger are. They hurt you (and poor Freddie) so much...... HERE HERE Fenderek!!!!! |
| Steve P 12.04.2005 11:51 |
Stands and Applauds FENDEREK |
| Knute 12.04.2005 14:21 |
Right on Fenderek! That was beautiful. Damn near brought tears to me eyes. LOL The fact that someone shows a strong allegiance to Freddie is no excuse to write a bunch of horseshit. Scott, you might want to folow your sister ego Arlene's cue. These kinds of ideas look more and more dumb as the excitement around this tour grows. |
| Scott_Mercury 12.04.2005 14:31 |
Fenderek- I'm 26, and was probably a Queen fan when you were trying to grow pube's and still questioning your own sexuality. Freddie is the shining star of the band we know as Queen.... without Freddie, there never would have been world reknown fame. Freddie would have eventually made it.... unless Taylor/May hooked up with Robert Plant, those 2 had no shot at fame IMHO. In the USA, No One on the street would have the slightest clue who Brian May, Roger Taylor, or John Deacon are. Remember, the USA is the land where many artists of yesterday and today feel YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT AT to really be a star. In the USA, our radio stations introduce this great band we all love as "Freddie Mercury and Queen". Or...when a Queen song goes off, 9 times out of 10 the DJ will say, "that was the late great Freddie Mercury with Bohemian Rhapsody". May/Taylor/ and the hoarse Englishman aren't sure if they are touring the USA, because over here, Americans will say "Where the hell is the buck tooth gay guy with the kick ass voice". Queen is my favorite band. But unlike some, I'm not delusional. I see Queen as 4 (somewhat equal members) ....with Taylor/Deacon/May...and their management all saying in various interviews "If Freddie really wanted something, that was just the way it was going to be done, or you payed dearly...so we'd all give in". Translation = Freddie had most of the power. By the way... I did not say that Freddie "taught everyone how to play their instruments". But its like this: Listen to old Smile tapes...or anything of Brian May playing around 1969, 1970...he's a mediocre guitar player at best (I am a graduate of the Berklee school of music, and have wrote/contributed to many articles, magazines, and books on guitar playing)...so I am qualified for this judgement. Freddie wasn't the god of vocals either in 1968....but by 1973, he was fantastic. In 1973, Freddie was 5 times the muscian that any of the other were. There is no reason why I have to argue this... Roger has stated about 10 times in print, or on video that Queen would have never happened without Freddie's vision and preserverance. Enough said. If you think May/Taylor some no name players in the dark and the hoarse Englishman is "seeing Queen".... then do some LSD to enhance your delusions. I'll go check it out to see 2 of my favorite musicians....but the next morning, I know better than to say I saw Brian May & Roger Taylor to anyone... unless I am on Queenzone, no one will know who I'm talking about..... Of course, when I mention Freddie Mercury/Queen... it will become clearer. You can argue this all you like....but in the USA this is reality. I will be |
| Scott_Mercury 12.04.2005 14:34 |
By the way....while I've been a pro guitarist at least 1/2 of my 26 years, you would think that Brian would be my favorite member.... however, it is Freddie. Freddie has the "It" factor that legends are made of. All 4 members of Queen are rock stars.... 1 is a legend, and its not Taylor or May. |
| Knute 12.04.2005 14:42 |
I live in the USA and you are full of it. They don't introduce the band as "Freddie Mercury and Queen" on the radio. And of course Freddie gets mentioned a lot, just like all late, great artists. Vincent Van Gogh was a nobody while he was alive. You might wanna check your bucket to see if there's any holes in it because it sure don't hold any water. Please don't try to use your ideas to represent the United States. The world hates us enough as it is. |
| wstüssyb 12.04.2005 14:49 |
Please don't try to use your ideas to represent the United States. The world hates us enough as it is. lol true, thats why I always say im from Michigan and not the states, just hoping they let it pass =-) |
| Scott_Mercury 12.04.2005 15:03 |
Knute- We don't live in the same city I am sure...so I am not going to argue about that. The world hates us?? News to me. This topic has been run into the ground. Some people will go see a high school garage band play their high school cafeteria if the call themselves "Queen". Some will even leave a "Queen" concert where someone other than Mercury is singing, and tell themselves "sweet shit! I just saw me some Queen". Whatever, nothing I ever say will cure these delusional of their nerosis of the mind. Queen without Freddie is equal to: The Doors without Morrison. Zeppelin without Plant. The Stones without Jagger. The Dave Mathews band without D.M. (laughs) LOL!! I gotta go, Deacon is on the line... he rounded up Andrew Ridgely from "Wham" and Holly Johnson from "Frankie Goes To Hollywood". I guess we are playing the Hazzard County Fair this Friday as "Queen". We go on after Bad Company... of course, Wayne Newton is filling in for Paul Rodgers in Bad Company, as he is now singing for Queen...not my band Queen that I have with Deacon... but the other Queen, you know, Paul Rodgers band. I HATE BAND INCEST!!! |
| Knute 12.04.2005 15:37 |
Damn Scott, how can you go and crush all the dreams of thousands of European fans who though they were seeing Queen. They all missed the adverts that said Queen + Paul Rodgers. They didn't know that the frontman wasn't Freddie because none of them paid any attention in 1991 when Freddie passed. How could you? I bet your the kind of fellow who likes to tell little kids that Santa Claus doesn't really exist. All those fans are going to now realize that they've been had. They are going to have to convice themselves that they really didn't really enjoy the show because they were watching a bunch of frauds. |
| Justice 12.04.2005 15:50 |
Something in his personality around 1970-1973 was going to make him a star..... it didn't matter what band he was in....or the membersYeah, cause his solo albums were like, so successful... Sorry Scotty, no sale. Thank you and don't come again. |
| Steve P 12.04.2005 16:07 |
Scott_Mercury wrote: By the way....while I've been a pro guitarist at least 1/2 of my 26 years, you would think that Brian would be my favorite member.... however, it is Freddie. Freddie has the "It" factor that legends are made of. All 4 members of Queen are rock stars.... 1 is a legend, and its not Taylor or May.OK Scott, you asked for this..... I am 49, have been a guitarist for 39 years, 20 of them in a semi/pro status. You are just so full of SHIT it's unbelievable. Having quite a few friends in the LA area, and gigged with some BIG names in the rock circle. You are talking BOLLOCKS. |
| Scott_Mercury 12.04.2005 16:51 |
You guys are right...its all Bollocks (please quit saying this overused British term). What are we arguing over? I think May and Taylor should quit whoring out the Queen name as the bands most dominant force (Freddie) is dead. It's disrespectful, and should be put to rest. Steve P (P for pussy)... you were that 49 yr old bad ass that trained Bruce Lee on the other thread, and you were going to whip everyone's ass. Unemployment has you so bitter, it seems you argue with everyone on every topic. Someone up about said something about Freddie solo?? I noticed that Brian's "Back to the Light" and "The Cross" have been setting some MAJOR sales records also hmmm???? At least Mercury had the balls to try new sounds. Queen were better as a whole... we all know this. __________________________________________________ I hate to get back on topic, but lets try it. Freddie crying from heaven?? Hardly!! Freddie was the most vain person you'd ever meet. He liked to look good...sound good, and dress good. This hoaky """Queen""" tour just makes Mr. Farenheit look that much better... and reminds REAL fans of Queen (the real Queen).... how much they miss John & Fred. ___________________________________________________ I'm not trying to "sale" anyone of anything. You believe whatever you like. I feel Freddie was THE most important member. Without him, the band cannot/should not go on. Don't waste your time timing up long winded saga's of other bands did it....Other bands weren't 60 years old, and the other bands weren't led by Freddie Mercury. |
| Fairy 12.04.2005 17:12 |
Knute wrote: |
| Knute 12.04.2005 17:46 |
Fairy wrote:Knute wrote: And of course Freddie gets mentioned a lot, just like all late, great artists. Vincent Van Gogh was a nobody while he was alive. Guys, you can say anything but please don't say Freddie gets mentioned just because he's dead, because that is really absurd! And stop insulting one another!! FairyThat's not what I meant. |
| Fairy 13.04.2005 03:41 |
I think what you say is perfectly true for the first period after a celebrity's death. Everybody talks about them. But I don't think it is true after 14 years. |
| Fenderek 13.04.2005 05:26 |
Scott_Mercury wrote: The world hates us?? News to me.LMAO Wake up. As stupid as it is, but... Americans don't have a good name outside their own country. Another proof of ignorance. Whatever is not said in America (or on TV)- is not true... Scott_Mercury wrote: You guys are right...its all Bollocks (please quit saying this overused British term).Not everyone on this board is american. So fuckin' get used to... |
| Fenderek 13.04.2005 05:29 |
Fairy wrote: I think what you say is perfectly true for the first period after a celebrity's death. Everybody talks about them. But I don't think it is true after 14 years.I think it is. Look at what's happening with nick Drake at the moment. Would he be that egendary hadn't he died? I doubt... So many ppl said that this is the best publicity you can get... As terrible as it sounds, but... it is true! Scott_Mercury- just check profiles of fellow "zoners" and see how many got into them just after Freddie died. Shit loads of them. No-one is denying Fred's genius- hadn't he be that good, it would have passed in few years, just like another trend. it didn't. But many ppl heard about Mercury BECAUSE he died. And my point is/was- had it been Brian who died and had it been that covered- he would AS POPULAR right now. He's a legend anyway, for cry out loud... |
| Fenderek 13.04.2005 07:50 |
Knute wrote: Damn Scott, how can you go and crush all the dreams of thousands of European fans who though they were seeing Queen. They all missed the adverts that said Queen + Paul Rodgers. They didn't know that the frontman wasn't Freddie because none of them paid any attention in 1991 when Freddie passed. How could you? I bet your the kind of fellow who likes to tell little kids that Santa Claus doesn't really exist. All those fans are going to now realize that they've been had. They are going to have to convice themselves that they really didn't really enjoy the show because they were watching a bunch of frauds.Good one! Sxcott- what the fuck are you arguing with...? I saw them in Brixton and I'm not saying "I saw Queen". I will always envy those who were in hammersmith in 79 or anywhere else they played... But for fucks sake- I can a have "A BIT" of that feeling too, seeing two of them together on stage, with a great vocalist as well! I'm not even pretending it's real Queen! If anyone here is dellusional it's you- you're arguing something that's obvious. Seeing this tour is impossible to compare to ANATO Tour or Gluttons For punishment. And NO-ONE is trying to do that! What's your freaking problem than!!?? The fact we actually ENJOY the shows...? Well- f**k you, I loved every second of Brixton experience and I couldn't care less what were they called and what name they used. It rocked, no legacy was hurt or anything. They made more bad with collaborations with talentless Williams or 5ive. Finally they're doing sth that ROCKS! And that's all that matters to me. And one more thing- you haven't seen any of the shows. And you're so fuckin' opinionated... We'll talk after you see the gig. Oh wait- you're NOT going to enjoy it, no matter what, right? That's what I call open-minded... Scott_Mercury wrote: I'm 26, and was probably a Queen fan when you were trying to grow pube's and still questioning your own sexuality.Were you questioning your own sexuality...? I wasn't... And we're pretty much the same age, so you couldn't get into Queen that much earlier than I did... Anyway- you can listen to Queen and be a fan for 20 years and still talk b... bullshit (better? (rolls eyes) Scott_Mercury wrote: Freddie is the shining star of the band we know as Queen....That just shows the time wrap you stuck in. WAS my dear, he WAS the shinning star... Scott_Mercury wrote: In the USA, No One on the street would have the slightest clue who Brian May, Roger Taylor, or John Deacon are.And do I care about America that much? The entire Europe pretty well knows who May is. And they were / are huge in Japan. C'mon- America's not thecentre of the world. Unless you're one of those who think so. The ones taht give the fellow Americans a bad name... Scott_Mercury wrote: Or...when a Queen song goes off, 9 times out of 10 the DJ will say, "that was the late great Freddie Mercury with Bohemian Rhapsody".Late- so what makes it interesting is not what musical genius he was and what a great tune he wrote- more interesting is the fact that he's dead. Prooves my point actually... Scott_Mercury wrote: May/Taylor/ and the hoarse Englishman aren't sure if they are touring the USA, because over here, Americans will say "Where the hell is the buck tooth gay guy with the kick ass voice".Which will only show their ignorancen nothing else... Scott_Mercury wrote: Translation = Freddie had most of the power.Funny- every single book or interview says sth opposite... Scott_Mercury wrote: Queen is my favorite band. But unlike some, I'm not delusional.The above quote (and few othe |
| RohemianBapsody 13.04.2005 08:23 |
you mean it was not the REAL queen I saw at Brixton - bloody hell must try and get my money back. |
| Libor2 13.04.2005 08:42 |
Scott_Mercury wrote: ... Someone up about said something about Freddie solo?? I noticed that Brian's "Back to the Light" and "The Cross" have been setting some MAJOR sales records also hmmm???? At least Mercury had the balls to try new sounds. Queen were better as a whole... we all know this. ...Stay on subject - Freddie's solo LP was very mediocre, and without his great voice it'd be true shit. More to it - Freddie's solo LP and the new sound? Are you kidding? It was pure disco, like a lot other records in half 80th. Absolutely nothing new or special on it. I always consider it as very weak (and my opinion doesn't change till today). Brian, Roger and John did from MIH and IWBTLY much better songs as they were before. It is very questionable, if Freddie should be as successful without Queen, isn't it? Maybe he'd be glad, he could use Queen name in these days. Well, and this is the same speculations as your ones. It leads nowhere after all. But I couldn't resist anyway. Sorry. |
| Fairy 13.04.2005 09:24 |
Hi Fenderek! I agree that as sad as it sounds, an artist's death is good publicity. And I know tons of people became aware of Queen after Freddie died. But I just think that after so many years, those who only listened to Queen because it was so popular to do so around 1991 would be tired of Queen and Freddie right now. Take Kurt Cobain: do you think he's much more popular now that he's dead? I believe that in Freddie's case, it's the way he faced his illness and death that may still be influencing his popularity. I think there's nothing wrong in that actually, because his courage and dignity can be an example for all of us. Fairy |
| Fenderek 13.04.2005 10:12 |
Fairy wrote: Hi Fenderek! I agree that as sad as it sounds, an artist's death is good publicity. And I know tons of people became aware of Queen after Freddie died. But I just think that after so many years, those who only listened to Queen because it was so popular to do so around 1991 would be tired of Queen and Freddie right now.HI Fairy I agree with you entirely. The only point I ws trying to make was the fact that when Fredie died that made him a name known to EVERYBODY. Ppl may not be fans- they know who Mercury was (aaaa- that gay guy from Queen who died on AIDS). My point was- had it been Brian who died in tragic circumstances, he could have been as popular now in the same sense. |
| Fairy 13.04.2005 13:17 |
We've basically been saying the same thing! Only, I'm not so sure that if Brian had died his death would have made him as popular as Freddie. I strongly doubt it.....But we will never find out (fortunately for Brian!!) Fairy |
| Knute 13.04.2005 23:15 |
Another thing Scott Why are you always hatin' on Paul? You know it's possible to love Freddie and still have respect for or even love Paul's voice. By the time he was your age he had already sold millions of records and influenced countless musicains, including our beloved Freddie. To say he is horse and out of tune is a flat out mis-truth. Paul's vocal technique is superlative. Most singers lose their range and power as they get older. Not Paul, that dude's more together than he's ever been. That alone merits a modicum of respect. |
| Scott_Mercury 14.04.2005 00:35 |
Knute- I've seen Paul twice...lost his voice both times. He's good... Freddie was great. This whole "he influenced Freddie" bullshit is about as believeable as Taylor Ga Ga "being in the room" with Freddie as he taped his final interview on Nov. 23rd 1991. Brian, and Roger have both said something to the degree of "we are sure that Freddie respected Paul Rodgers". Which is just dumb. All musicians have respect for other musicians..thats a given. I will see Taylor, and May , P.R. (uhhh..for the 3rd time) , Timmy Johnson, Mikey Struthmore, Nikki Nostrill....anyone else gonna be on stage?? The more I think about it. I'm not pissed that they are touring. Just as long as everyone is on the same page that this is a 6th rate, watered down, somewhat lame version of what was once a legendary band.... then I have no problem anymore. Freddie simply cannot be replaced...gotta give Paul credit for setting himself for negative comparisons. There are pro's & con's to what Deacon has decided...there are pro's & con's to what May/Taylor are doing. Deacon: Pro's- Went out on top.... will be remembered for when he was on the top of his game.... most repected BY FAR by the Freddie purist. Con's- Has been labeled a cop-out by some for not supporting his band and joining them. (I know the saga goes that John wrote a very nice letter....whatever....there are no nice letters in the world of million dollar business...and Queen is a large business) May/Taylor: Pro's- One last tour for the fans, respected by many for "still doing what they love" at "their age". Con's- Have been labeled as money motivated, will be remembered when they were 56 and 58 yrs old....which equals overweight and out of shape. Freddie purist will remain pissed as they feel they are betraying Queen's leader. Now here we go again... before you put the shit in your hand to throw... I know... "Queen are 4 equal members". However- Freddie wrote the most songs, wrote the most hits, is by far the most famous alive or dead....and is easily the most idenifiable member of the band.....in most circles that equals the band leader. Draw your own conclusions. |
| Knute 14.04.2005 01:09 |
The influence thing is not bullshit. Brian May said quote "Paul Rodgers was one of the few singers that Freddie looked up to". Far different than "Uhhh, I think he liked him." Roger talked about how when him and Freddie were roommates, Fire and Water was a favorite in that house. Have you read any recent interviews of Bri and Rog or are you too busy being bitter about all this? Go to the audio/video section of link and listen to the segment titled "Is PR the new Freddie?" Another question I have is why are you posts so full of ageism. You always talking about how old someone is like it's a disease. 26 aint far from 35 from 45 from 55 my friend. It will be upon you before you know it. I'm 35 and 26 was a blink of the eye ago. |
| Fairy 14.04.2005 06:01 |
Actually I had never heard about this big influence PR had on Freddie until now. And friends who know about Queen history much more than I do never heard about this either. I have the feeling Brian and Roger are just stressing this in order not to feel guilty about this tour...But this is just my opinion. Fairy |
| Knute 14.04.2005 06:34 |
Fairy wrote: Actually I had never heard about this big influence PR had on Freddie until now. And friends who know about Queen history much more than I do never heard about this either. I have the feeling Brian and Roger are just stressing this in order not to feel guilty about this tour...But this is just my opinion. FairyOr maybe they emphasize it hoping to facilitate acceptance from the fan base and the press. |
| Fairy 14.04.2005 08:08 |
Knute wrote:Or maybe they emphasize it hoping to facilitate acceptance from the fan base and the press.Yeah maybe both. |
| Scott_Mercury 14.04.2005 08:11 |
Knute- Fairy has a point that many are saying. It was quite clear that Freddie loved Kimi Hendrix, Aretha Franklin, Liza Minelli, and Monserat. But I think this Paul Rodgers thing is a stretch. Its not really his style. All of Freddie's other favorites were not only virtuoso's of their instrument or vocal powerhouses....but they were are also over the top, flameboyant performers. Paul Rodgers has a nice rock/bluesy voice. But if you watch clips of Paul in his prime, Paul usually just stood still with a mic. Sometime in the 1980's, out of lack of anything else to do on stage, Paul started ripping off Roger Daltry and doing mic twirls every 30 seconds. He was still doing this in 1997 when I seen them.... as his voice got more hoarse, the more the mic got twirled. As far as being old = sucking. Wrong. I'll take Innuendo over Queen 2 any day of the week....Fred was what, 44/45 when Innuendo was recorded and.... I believe 28 yrs old when Queen 2 was made. In fact, I prefer expierence of "fresh". I know I will be 56 in a flash. I'm just realistic about it... will I be the muscular sexy beast I am now when I am 56. (please laugh at this dumb comment...no whining pleeease) Nope, I'll be the older, more out a shape version....ie: Roger. However, I wouldn't touch a beer or cigarette with a gun to my head...so that may give me an advantage. By the way: As stated, the odds of Fred saying, "Damn, that Paul Rodgers, he's amazing" is probably 1 to 1,000,000... I still don't know why Brian and Roger would lie. I mean, its not like Queen is reforming, and putting out 7 studio albums. AC/DC tried their best to get Brian Johnson accepted in 1980, because the Young brothers had alot of time and music left...Brian has been AC/DC's singer from 1980-present, 25 years later, its kind of dumb to call him "the new singer". As he's been there almost 5 times as long as Bon Scott was. This won't be the case with Paul and Queen. Queen's best days, and biggest hits are over. We don't have Freddie, as long as people are clear this isn't the real thing, and this isn't the Queen of the past.... then I can accept this is the best we have right now. |
| Fenderek 14.04.2005 08:26 |
Scott_Mercury wrote: We don't have Freddie, as long as people are clear this isn't the real thing, and this isn't the Queen of the past.... then I can accept this is the best we have right now.Gosh- and this is exactly what everyone was saying all along... Me included... |
| Knute 14.04.2005 10:24 |
Once again you are spreading mis-truths concerning PR Here is a video clip of Paul in his prime with the band Free. He is 20 years old here. (click on clip 5) link Watch this than tell me he's just standing still there with a mic, with no charisma(which is what your implying.) Sure he never was one to jump around the stage. Doesn't mean he didn't have stage presence. And I've never seen him rip off Daltry, that's a bunch of bullshit. Oh, and the queen of soul(Aretha) is Freddie's style yet one of the two most soulful white singers(the other being Steve Marriott) England ever produced isn't? You can tell listening to Freddie sing that he loved soul music. Freddie wasn't just about how someone looked. I bet the music was more important as to what moved him. This conversations just going round in circles and it quite clear that you have an agenda against PR and will continue making shit up to suit your posts. Like Brian and Roger LYING about Freddie liking the god-awful PR. LOL! What a crock of shit! |
| Jaywilliams 14.04.2005 12:37 |
I think many people have different views on this whole "Queen" tour and rightfully so. If I were to be totally honest, I'm not exactly peeing my pants with excitement, though niether am I deeply offended like some people seem to be on here. Although perhaps not awsome, I'm sure the show will be good and very enjoyable for those who do go. However I feel it will always be difficult for Brian and Roger to break-away from being associated with Freddie and Queen as it was many years ago. As regards to Mr Deacon - £50 million - Enough said |
| Boy Thomas Raker 14.04.2005 13:12 |
Although the "Queen" name thing has been beaten to death, it's still fascinating to see people's views. I agree with a lot of what Scott Mercury says, although we part ways on whether they should be out there. If people get enjoyment, then let 'em be. The beauty of this is that all of us write our legacies for what Queen was. Brian can tell people to get over it, they're going forward. That's fine, but Scott feels that by going forward, they're damaging the Queen name. That's how he'll feel about the end of the Queen situation. I feel that working with 5ive, Robbie, 60 versions of WWRY etc. did more harm to their legacy than this tour ever will, but if they want to bring Queen music to a new generation, they're entitled to it more than we are telling them they're washed up hacks who shouldn't be using "our" name. And for all the people who say like Freddie said, "it's just music for fuck sakes", that is the stupidest retort possible. If it were "just music", then they would have recorded albums in a week, live to tape. They didn't because they were so passionate about the music they wanted it to be timeless. Maybe Scott feels that this tour is cheapening the name and their efforts. |
| doremi 14.04.2005 17:57 |
Fenderek wrote:I agree with this entirely. And if Roger & Brian come to tour te USA, you bet I WILL be there, just with the realization this is, what it IS, not what it WAS...and I cannot change the circumstances. So I will enjoy it for those 2 alone. But forget Paul...Scott_Mercury wrote: We don't have Freddie, as long as people are clear this isn't the real thing, and this isn't the Queen of the past.... then I can accept this is the best we have right now.Gosh- and this is exactly what everyone was saying all along... Me included... One last point. I am 43 years old. And I knew who Freddie was when I was 14 and saw and heard BoRhap in 1975. I never knew the names of anyone in Queen until, weill I knew who Brian was by about 1984...didn't know who Roger & John are until about 1990. I'm not saying that's good, or bad, or even why...it just is...I always knew who Freddie was... He stood out and was a STAR. When I watched Live Aid with my Mom, we just sat there going..oh there's Queen...BUT look at Freddie!!!!, and we were glued to our seats commenting on Freddie's every move, every gesture, every bit of clothes and jewelry he wore that day, and Freddie's DAZZLING Command and charisma over those 70,000 Wembley fans. Sure we loved Queen...but it was Freddie we couldn't stop talking about..and with great fascination, wonder and delight! I always loved watching Queen on TV here in the States, don't get me wrong...I loved them as a band and as a unit/entity...but I just always KNEW who Freddie was and watched with eager joy to see him and his showstopping performances. I've adored him since I was 14...and I still do. And Yes...me A NOT evil, but a GOOD FAN/person from the United States, I KNEW Freddie was GAY since I was 14, and I never cared a flying fig, I LOVED his NEW image with his leather and mustache as much as I loved his long hair and Zhandra Rhodes costumes. I have no bias about an artists' personal private life and sexual orientation. I Loved the videos I got to see before MTV banned them. I just thought Freddie was the coolest most electrifying performer and rock star I had ever seen, and to me it was always wonderful just to see what new stunt he would pull out of his magic bag of tricks to top his last performance and dazzle the audience. He's not the greatest thing since sliced bread...Dears...he IS sliced Bread....Challa at that served with Moet et Chandon and St. Saphorin. Why Freddie is the cat's pajamas!!!! (hey I made a joke that's punny...that Freddie would like...cat joke get it):) |
| BHM1775 14.04.2005 18:56 |
Scott_Mercury wrote: If you think May/Taylor some no name players in the dark and the hoarse Englishman is "seeing Queen".... then do some LSD to enhance your delusions. Scott I have read your posts with a great deal of interest. I have resisted replying before but just had to on these points. I don't think Spike Edney and Jamie Moses can be labelled "No name players in the Dark" Please take a Look at Jamies CV. I think Spike can be considered as quite a big part of Queens live performances. and Paul Rodgers and Paul Kossoff were great "influencers" of the British Music scene from 1968. There is a definate Rodgers/Free influence in Ql & Qll and SHA |
| Knute 14.04.2005 19:08 |
BHM1775 wrote: Paul Rodgers and Paul Kossoff were great "influencers" of the British Music scene from 1968. There is a definate Rodgers/Free influence in Ql & Qll and SHAI can hardly wait to see Mr. Know-It-All's retort to this. According to his logic, this is virtually impossible. Something akin to a one in a million chance. |
| Scott_Mercury 14.04.2005 21:06 |
Arlene answered above quite well. Queen is fantastic, Freddie is the star. Makes it hard to do a tour/album/career without your star. I, like Arlene, even being a guitarist knew the name Freddie Mercury around 1982-1983 (at age 4 or 5) I knew the rest of their names about 1990, or 1991. Its not by accident that people know of Freddie first....refer to any live footage to see the reason why. |
| pastieman 14.04.2005 21:08 |
Spike is also a well know guy over here in the Uk, which you guys across the pond dont know about. He was/is involved a lot in the WWRY show, played a major part in the party in the park, produced it or something, not to sure now, and has his own SAS (Spike's All Stars)band which do gigs which attract a lot of big names, so give the man a bit more credit. |
| pastieman 14.04.2005 21:29 |
Scott Wrote: Its not by accident that people know of Freddie first....refer to any live footage to see the reason why. Scott, most people know the lead singer of a band first, ie, T Rex, The Who, The Stones, just to name a few, and there are many. Why? because they are the frontmen, they do the singing, and any tv footage/filming will show the frontman for about 75+% of the time they are on air. It is not until you get into a band, any band that you find out the rest of the members names. As for Freddie is going to cry from heaven, if you have not seen the shows, which living in the US you havent, dont knock what you aint seen. All the lads, are doing a great job, ok so paul has a few throat problems, so have many stars in the past and will do in the future. The light show is big and very much Queen, as is the stage, and the sound, the only thing that is not the old Queen is a great singer, who is putting a new angle on Queen songs, most of the time it works and sounds great, the odd one or two are not suited for his voice IMO. But having seen the show, Freddie I am sure would not be crying, but would be happy that his and the bands work is still going forwards, he, him self was not one to sit back and stay still, which is what sadly many people here want to happen. If you got your way, the youth of today and in future years would not have the chance to see the music we all love being played live, which means, their interest in Queen would die in the end, and the music would stop being played, be it live, on cd's, radio and TV, is this what you want to happen? I sure as hell dont. |
| Scott_Mercury 14.04.2005 22:35 |
BHM WROTE UP ABOVE: And for all the people who say like Freddie said, "it's just music for fuck sakes", that is the stupidest retort possible. If it were "just music", then they would have recorded albums in a week, live to tape. They didn't because they were so passionate about the music they wanted it to be timeless. Maybe Scott feels that this tour is cheapening the name and their efforts. ___________________________________________________ That's exactly how I feel. These 4 men, RT/FM/JD/BM sacrificed their personal private lives and home lives to be what would be Queen. Freddie may have said things like "For fucks sake, its just a bloody record"....but thats not how he felt. Freddie was a obsessive compulsive, vain, perfectionist... every detail of his look and sound were worked out well in advance... he worked painstakingly on lyrics and melody until he felt it was perfect. So if you read shit like "Oh darling, I'm just a fish and chips lyricist my dear".... bullshit. Freddie treated each of his songs like they were his children. I, me, Scott, will not accept Queen as anything except FM/JD/BM/RT. Now, had Brian passed away in 1978, and the other 3 said.... please accept our new guitarist Joe Blow, as we have so much more to bring you!! While I sure would miss Brian...I would have still followed the band. However, if Brian died in 1991.... 20 years after creating this legacy...then I say LET IT REST. The legacy has been laid. Don't fuck with it. So, by 1991.... with Queen being the same 4 for 20 years, if one members leaves or dies (in this case Freddie)... I just want the band to stop. Right there. Dead in their tracks. I don't care which one left/died... after 20 years, to me, its itched in STONE. Thats the 4, if the lineup changes, or anyone is not there...Then it isn't Queen. On top of this. Its Freddie who has died....which, one more time... wrote the most songs, wrote the most hits, is by far the most famous, named the band, designed the bands logo...need I go on?? Of course the 3 others were key members... unlike alot of bands, Queen had 4 talented songwriters within.... but to people who are not fanatics such as all of us.... Queen was Freddie Mercury's band. To many, remember, I own a music store...."Queen" is just a nickname for Freddie Mercury. And really, it is. |
| Knute 15.04.2005 00:23 |
I understand your position cleary, mainly because it's been expressed in many different ways on this forum. My point is that even if Bri and Rog did nothing but make fart noises in the microphone and Paul wandered the stage wearing only a diaper with a Q stamped on the back. This would do nothing to take away what Freddie left us. In fact, in my mind, the only one who could damage Freddie's legacy would be Freddie himself had he lived. Let's hypothetically say Freddie decided to take Queen into Nu-Metal territory. Or even if he didn't do that and was just a balding, overweight 60 year old version of himself, the critics would blast him saying "why didn't he quit while he was ahead?". And even then it still wouldn't destroy the great aspects of Queen. So there is nothing this current tour threatens. In fact it's the most tasteful display of the Queen legacy post Freddie yet, except for maybe the tribute concert. A cheesy off-broadway play? No way! A collaboration with Wyclef and that 5 alive thingy? Hardly! A pepsi commercial? Yeah right! A tour with one of rock's most respected vocalists and two of Freddie's best friends is MUCH, MUCH more fitting a tribute to Freddie's greatness than any of that crap I mentioned above. And once again it's not all just about Freddie, in fact I think they only do two of his tunes. When you realize that the only tour in Queen's history to make any money was their last one in 86 then it becomes clear why Bri and Rog choose to use the Queen name. And they are using a modified version of it to boot. And they waited 14 years after Freddie's passing to do something. Queen will only be Queen again when Bri, Rog, and John pass on and join Freddie in heaven. Let's enjoy them now while they're here. |
| Scott_Mercury 15.04.2005 00:51 |
Knute- And if everyone understood your last sentence...then I would quit kicking the shit out of this dead horse. Personally, had Freddie lived, I think Innuendo was the direction that the band would have been heading towards.... a 55 or 60 year or Freddie will still have been a vain, perfectionist with obessesive compulsive disorder and A.D.D (my favorite qualities about him by the way).... but I think that new Queen music in 2001 , or 2005 would be very much like what us real Queen fans would have wanted... A dark, melodic, intricate...moody, English sounding album. Certainly, in 2005, what would have changed is a 59 yr old Freddie, who, presumable would still be living with his (husband) of 20 years Jim, would know that his prime days of being "sexy" were over.... in 2005, the hetero/bi/gay/tri ..etc charrade would be over.... we'd all know he's gay, living with his boyfriend... and we would all care less, because the music would kick ass... and thats his own business. Yes, Queen in 2005, would be about serious music...and fine music I believe it would have been, with studio albums rivaling their best work of the 1970's. I do feel that bands that do lame, weak ass tours can ruin their overall legacy....Kiss, The Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, are all examples of bands that should wrap it up. Poor Lynyrd Skynyrds legacy has been destroyed by the younger brother that can't sing. Freddie would have never let this happen... by now, a appoaching 60 yr old Freddie would probably have slowed down touring anyway, and Queen would probably have got back together every 4-5 years, and put out a Innundo quality album. My favorite band, Queen... with my four favorite musicians, from 1973-1991 had 18 years of albums, concerts, and tours, that in my opinion are flawless.... I even love Hot Space. I just don't want this legacy cheapened, or tarnished in any way. If May and Taylor come near, I'm going to go see them, just so I can see 2 of my favorite musicians in the world. But, at best, the music to me, will be like seeing a tribute band...at best. Its gotta be those original 4, or its not Queen. Nothing will ever change my mind on this. |
| The Real Wizard 15.04.2005 02:58 |
Great posts Scott and Knute. Yes, it's not Queen, but it's the spirit of Queen living through Brian, Roger, Paul, the rest of the band, and the audiences. I can't wait to see a show, whenever that will be! The bootlegs are sounding great so far! |
| pastieman 15.04.2005 05:32 |
Scott Wrote: "I just don't want this legacy cheapened, or tarnished in any way. If May and Taylor come near, I'm going to go see them, just so I can see 2 of my favorite musicians in the world." Scott, Thats great that you would go and see them, I will tell you that you WILL come away from the gig as hypped and happy, with no voice, sore hands and arms etc.. just like in the old days. But please go with an open mind, please go to have a good time, otherwise you wont enjoy it. Trust me, IMO Brian, Roger, Paul and the rest of the band do not cheapen or tarnish the wonderful Queen legacy in any way at all, if anything it is the oppersite, Freddie is there with you, in more ways than one, BM,RT and PR want it that way, thats why there are little things in the show to remind us (as if we need it) of Freddie. Paul has great respect for Freddie, Queen and us fans, you could tell this by his body lang at Brixton (and I am sure at other shows). If you have heard the bootleg of Brixton, you will hear that when they played "I want to break free" due to the wonderful backing singers, ie.. us fans, Paul hardly sang, he was so overcome by us that he let us take over the song. I do understand what you are saying, but please give Paul credit, he is not trying to be Freddie in any shape way or form, and give BM and RT credit for wanting to bring the Queen legacy to us all once again, its a great new chapter in the history book of Queen. As Knute wrote, "Queen will only be Queen again when Bri, Rog, and John pass on and join Freddie in heaven. Let's enjoy them now while they're here." |
| Scott_Mercury 15.04.2005 08:14 |
I will admit, you got to give Paul credit, he obviosly is very secure in who he is, to be able to try to fill in for Freddie. Many professional singers would view trying to fill Freddie shoes as two things: * Career Suicide * "I'm not filling in for anyone, I'm ______ _______ and I don't play second fiddle to anyone." Its just weird for me... I'm trying to adjust... but seeing anyone besides Freddie in front of Brian & Roger is kind of "pissing on Freddie's grave" to me... eventhough I know it is not meant or represented that way. |
| Boy Thomas Raker 15.04.2005 09:19 |
I think this is a great thread, with passionate people airing their views. If they hit Canada, I'll go see them with mixed feelings. It'll be great to see two of my favourite musicians, and my hero for his musical genius and decency as a person (Brian), but having seen Queen with Freddie and John six times, it won't be the same. I'm sure it'll be a great night of great songs, and that'll be enough. My feeling is that I've had an experience of seeing the real deal that was a powerful force in my life. If some kid seeing Brian and Roger with Paul Rodgers and some other guys gets the same feeling that I got seeing Queen for the first time, then it'll all be worthwhile. |
| doremi 15.04.2005 11:21 |
Scott_Mercury wrote: I will admit, you got to give Paul credit, he obviosly is very secure in who he is, to be able to try to fill in for Freddie. Many professional singers would view trying to fill Freddie shoes as two things: * Career Suicide * "I'm not filling in for anyone, I'm ______ _______ and I don't play second fiddle to anyone." Its just weird for me... I'm trying to adjust... but seeing anyone besides Freddie in front of Brian & Roger is kind of "pissing on Freddie's grave" to me... eventhough I know it is not meant or represented that way.No offense to Paul...but * you have to have a career in order to potentially commit career suicide. I have followed Paul's 3rd tier C List "career" as a has been for the last decade and a half playing crappy cow palaces and county fairs...and Opening???? for Steve Miller in 1993..which I saw by the way. I like Steve Miller, but his career was washed up in the early 80's and he relies on touring purely as an oldies act...and Paul had to OPEN!!!! for him in 1993. What does that tell you about Paul's career? *Paul is NOT taking any real career risks by doing this tour and comparisons to Freddie, or a backlash about people saying he's trying to fill Freddie's shoes or take Freddie's place, ot playing second fiddle to anyone, because Paul doesn't have enough of a name or career or record deal...to damage. He gambled and risked nothing. It's easy to take risks when you have nothing to risk. I'm not being sarcastic or mean either. I'm being blunt and honest. Paul has had no real record deal and had only put out a handful of get this...Cover Tribute Albums on bottom of the rung independent record labels for over a decade. I mean he had a brand name here in the USA to an extent...but so do lots of 3rd tier has been acts that play county fairs and have no record deal..and tour on the oldies circuit...America, The Guess Who, The Atlanta Rhythm Section, Three Dog Night (MINUS their lead singer/songwriter Chuck Nigron and they SUCKED)..I saw all 4 of these acts at various county Festivals for FREE sponsored by our Oldies radio station.) Anyhow...I think Paul was pinching himself when Brian & Roger approached him thinking he's won the lottery and how damn lucky he is...because you can be sure that he thought about any potential backlash from Queen fans...but they are not necessarily diehard Paul Rodgers fans, he has No big deal career, he had nothing to lose...and figured if this pans out...Wow, my career takes a quantum leap from bottom of the barrell oldies 3rd tier, light speed jump to International Icon...and if it blows up in a backlash, I can go back to my OWN Paul Rodgers fans and continue playing gigs across the USA at fairs and such. Win/Win Situation no matter how you slice it for Paul... |
| wstüssyb 15.04.2005 12:28 |
I dont think Aerosmith is over the hill in touring, they still have great shows, all the originals. |
| wstüssyb 15.04.2005 12:33 |
Arlene rote: Anyhow...I think Paul was pinching himself when Brian & Roger approached him thinking he's won the lottery and how damn lucky he is...because you can be sure that he thought about any potential backlash from Queen fans...but they are not necessarily diehard Paul Rodgers fans, he has No big deal career, he had nothing to lose...and figured if this pans out...Wow, my career takes a quantum leap from bottom of the barrell oldies 3rd tier, light speed jump to International Icon...and if it blows up in a backlash, I can go back to my OWN Paul Rodgers fans and continue playing gigs across the USA at fairs and such. Win/Win Situation no matter how you slice it for Paul... Maybe Queen fans are more happy Brian and Roger approched him, becuase that means we get to SEE them in Concert. |
| doremi 15.04.2005 12:53 |
wstüssyb wrote: Arlene rote: Anyhow...I think Paul was pinching himself when Brian & Roger approached him thinking he's won the lottery and how damn lucky he is...because you can be sure that he thought about any potential backlash from Queen fans...but they are not necessarily diehard Paul Rodgers fans, he has No big deal career, he had nothing to lose...and figured if this pans out...Wow, my career takes a quantum leap from bottom of the barrell oldies 3rd tier, light speed jump to International Icon...and if it blows up in a backlash, I can go back to my OWN Paul Rodgers fans and continue playing gigs across the USA at fairs and such. Win/Win Situation no matter how you slice it for Paul... Maybe Queen fans are more happy Brian and Roger approched him, becuase that means we get to SEE them in Concert.You are absolutely right. And if the end result is I get to see Roger & Brian because now they feel good about going on tour and that it feels right FOR THEM...then more power to Paul...but it IS Roger & Brian that I will be going to see. |
| Fairy 15.04.2005 13:14 |
Knute wrote: |
| Fairy 15.04.2005 13:18 |
Scott_Mercury wrote: |
| doremi 15.04.2005 14:05 |
Fairy wrote:Scott_Mercury wrote: Freddie may have said things like "For fucks sake, its just a bloody record"....but thats not how he felt. Of course not!!!How could anyone even think that he ever felt like that about his work?? It meant to him more than his own life! FairyAgreed Fairy...Freddie said those things to blow smoke at the nasty critics so they wouldn't think they had gotten to him. But Freddie took VERY personally as well as professionally all criticsm of his work and Queen's work...and for all his bravado facade about "It's just a bloody record" yada, yada...again why should he let critics think they had hurt his pride or dignity. All the jokes, the sarcasm, was his great and confident way of a comeback to and handling the criticsm. |
| Fairy 15.04.2005 14:48 |
Arlene, I agree with every word you said. And about what kind of music he would do now...sure, we cannot know what he'd be into, but we can be sure it would be magical, as Freddie was and is. Fairy |
| pastieman 15.04.2005 15:47 |
Fairy wrote: Arlene, I agree with every word you said. And about what kind of music he would do now...sure, we cannot know what he'd be into, but we can be sure it would be magical, as Freddie was and is. FairyI also agree with a lot of what Arlene has said in her last post, the way I see it the two big winners here are Paul and us fans who get to see Brian and Roger on the road again. Just to add something else into the melting pot, (and this will get some reaction), how do we know that Queen would still be around today as a group?? I would like to think they would be, but they might have split as a band, and may never have toured or made any new cd's. They might have had a big barny, or thought how the hell do we top the last tour, lets call it a day while we are still at the top, and go our own way and do our own thing. None of us will ever really know, its all if's, but's and maybe's. |
| doremi 15.04.2005 16:25 |
pastieman wrote:Great Point. No we don't know how things would have turned out for Queen...only how we conjecture on what we wish and want would or might have been had Freddie not passed. But yes, Queen could have split up, and not necessarily under bad circumstances. Hey, Phil Collins carried on 2 simultaneous careers With Genesis and as a solo artist...but this year he finally officially left Genesis, under very friendly circumstances. But Collins is VERY successful now as a solo artist and 2 careers got to be too much. And don't necessarily assume that even though Freddie was the STAR, that he could have gone off on a solo career. We all know that Roger, Brian, & even John...all tried their hands at solo careers...before Freddie passed on. Or somebody could have retired, whatever. We have no way of knowing if Queen would have stayed together as the 4 original members..and if they still would have been successful. But...it sure is nice to Dream...about it being so, eh. :)Fairy wrote: Arlene, I agree with every word you said. And about what kind of music he would do now...sure, we cannot know what he'd be into, but we can be sure it would be magical, as Freddie was and is. FairyI also agree with a lot of what Arlene has said in her last post, the way I see it the two big winners here are Paul and us fans who get to see Brian and Roger on the road again. Just to add something else into the melting pot, (and this will get some reaction), how do we know that Queen would still be around today as a group?? I would like to think they would be, but they might have split as a band, and may never have toured or made any new cd's. They might have had a big barny, or thought how the hell do we top the last tour, lets call it a day while we are still at the top, and go our own way and do our own thing. None of us will ever really know, its all if's, but's and maybe's. |
| mr bad guy 5656 17.04.2005 14:13 |
Freddie going to cry from heaven. Dear God... |
| pastieman 17.04.2005 16:00 |
Mr Bad Guy wrote: Freddie going to cry from heaven. Dear God...Yep your right, with tears of joy that Brian and Roger are playing Queen music live once again to all his loyal subjects |
| emily_lorna 10.05.2005 13:38 |
Im 15 and an avid fan of QUEEN. All my life ive been upset because of the prospect of not being able to see them live. I never thought id even get close to any member. I went to see QUEEN and Paul Rogers last night...it was FANTASTIC! I know Rogers is nothing like Freddie but his vocals were supurb and he did the job to the best of his abilitys. Most fo you people who complain have seen them live and have experianced Freddie, i have not and for that i am truely sadened, but gave me an opportunity i never thought i would have. Embrace the fact that you have seen them as a whole and enjoy the fact that people my age are enjoying the music that has so much passion and meaning. That the joy that music has brought to you will bring to others aswell. |
| englishyob 10.05.2005 14:23 |
BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING Can we find something else to talk about on here. |
| Cwazy little thing 10.05.2005 14:43 |
"No offense to Paul...but * you have to have a career in order to potentially commit career suicide. I have followed Paul's 3rd tier C List "career" as a has been for the last decade and a half playing crappy cow palaces and county fairs...and Opening???? for Steve Miller in 1993..which I saw by the way. I like Steve Miller, but his career was washed up in the early 80's and he relies on touring purely as an oldies act...and Paul had to OPEN!!!! for him in 1993. What does that tell you about Paul's career?" In all fairness - Paul has done what all great musicians tend to do once they reach a certain age and status, which is record and release music which they want to perform, rather than that which they would need to in order to remain commercially viable - thats why he has had a less than illustrious last ten years. His years in Free and Bad Company (both great and successful bands) have more than earnt him an A list place........ Name me someone else realistically better suited to the job from your so called "A list". And would you mind telling me exactly how Queen have had an illustrious ten years? Yes, its testament to their brilliance that they can sell out arena's after all this time, but you'll remember that Free, like Queen had their career cut short by the death of a member, and who knows how great they may have become? Give the guy a chance - he's a fantastic front man.....Now lets talk about something else; as is repeatedly said on these shores : BORED. |
| bryans permed poodle 15069 10.05.2005 18:25 |
Paul Rodgers = The Great Pretender. THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE. Freddie I'm so sorry it's come to this.........please forgive them. We still love you even though some on here have a new hero. |
| Haystacks Calhoun 10.05.2005 18:30 |
Bryans Permed Poodle wrote: Paul Rodgers = The Great Pretender. THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE. Freddie I'm so sorry it's come to this.........please forgive them. We still love you even though some on here have a new hero.Go away. |
| englishyob 10.05.2005 18:35 |
I 2nd that Haystacks Calhoun, Bryans Permed Poodle just get lost we don’t care what you think anyway. Bryans Permed Poodle = The Great (Queen Fan) Pretender However, like I said before this subject is getting a bit boring now |
| bryans permed poodle 15069 10.05.2005 18:56 |
englishyob wrote: I 2nd that Haystacks Calhoun, Bryans Permed Poodle just get lost we don’t care what you think anyway. Bryans Permed Poodle = The Great (Queen Fan) Pretender However, like I said before this subject is getting a bit boring nowQueen 1991 RIP Brian Roger and that bloke? Tour 2005 |
| englishyob 10.05.2005 19:05 |
Bryans Permed Poodle wrote:Please refer back to my post. Also refer back to the hammering you got with this post linkenglishyob wrote: I 2nd that Haystacks Calhoun, Bryans Permed Poodle just get lost we don’t care what you think anyway. Bryans Permed Poodle = The Great (Queen Fan) Pretender However, like I said before this subject is getting a bit boring nowQueen 1991 RIP Brian Roger and that bloke? Tour 2005 QUEEN and PAUL ROGERS 2005 TOUR ROCKS.. CANT WAIT FOR WHATEVER THEY DO NEXT |