QueenZone discussion #440640
DIGITAL REMASTER BRAIN MAY, ROGER TAYLOR CDS
| tastytunge 16.12.2004 11:08 |
WELL, THEY REMASTERED ALL OF THE QUEEN CDS. SO I THINK THEY SHOULD DO THEM AS WELL. MY FAVORITE IS ROGER'S "FUN SPACE". WOULD SOUND AWESOME IS IT WAS DIGITAL REMASTERED!!WHAT DO YOU THINK ? |
| Spud 16.12.2004 11:14 |
Could you press Caps Lock? |
| Mack2008 16.12.2004 11:17 |
I think he did - thats the problem :-) |
| The Fairy King 16.12.2004 11:40 |
I think the post-1994 cd's of Roger WERE digitally remastered, at least mine are :P I have the 1996 releases of FIS and SF! |
| Penetration_Guru 16.12.2004 13:31 |
The only albums that haven't been remastered are the ones that were recorded after digital mastering began to be used. So this topic is entirely redundant |
| earwig 16.12.2004 19:30 |
In my opinion, just because,say, The Miracle was Digitally Mastered in the first place doesn't mean it won't benefit from a newer remaster using the latest gear surely? For example, this album might only have been mastered at 16 bit/44.1khz but could be remastered at much higher quality. |
| John S Stuart 16.12.2004 20:49 |
Considering that most kids are into MP3's and free downloads - bit of a waste of time isn't it? |
| deleted user 16.12.2004 21:53 |
earwig wrote: In my opinion, just because,say, The Miracle was Digitally Mastered in the first place doesn't mean it won't benefit from a newer remaster using the latest gear surely? For example, this album might only have been mastered at 16 bit/44.1khz but could be remastered at much higher quality.There is a 2001-remaster of The Miracle. |
| mike hunt 17.12.2004 02:03 |
who cares, their solo stuff will be out of print soon anyway. |
| Serry... 17.12.2004 08:38 |
John S Stuart wrote: Considering that most kids are into MP3's and free downloads - bit of a waste of time isn't it?Oh yeah... Some of Russian mp3 sites contains the whole Freddie's solo box set collection for free... |
| deleted user 17.12.2004 08:39 |
Why ? |
| pma 17.12.2004 09:59 |
Oh yeah, I'd love a good crunch-out-of-all-dynamics-loudnessracejoined-nonoised-crappy-sounding digital remaster. They could call it "barrel bottom scrape remaster series" SACD (DSD) or DVD-A (MLP) with Hi-Res stereo, Hi-Res surround versions. Now that would be actually interesting. Of course it's not going to happen. |
| Benn 17.12.2004 11:37 |
The problem you have with MP3 (especially with studio recordings) is that the compression that is used to create that kind of file means you inevitably lose sound quality. I downloaded The Darkness' new RTB version of "Get Your Hands Off..." and frankly was disgusted at how poor it sounded; if that's the way forward for an artist's new music, then they can bloody well keep it. As far as I'm concerned, the whole fun of a new record is going out and getting it on the day it's released....... I'm happy to take MP3 for unofficial stuff - bootlegs etc, but where studio material is concerned, officially available, I want it in the shop. |
| inu-liger 17.12.2004 15:00 |
pma<br><font size=1></font> wrote: Oh yeah, I'd love a good crunch-out-of-all-dynamics-loudnessracejoined-nonoised-crappy-sounding digital remaster. They could call it "barrel bottom scrape remaster series" SACD (DSD) or DVD-A (MLP) with Hi-Res stereo, Hi-Res surround versions. Now that would be actually interesting. Of course it's not going to happen.I think it will, because they do plan on remixing as much of the albums they can for 5.1 96/24 DTS encoded DVD-Audio discs, depending on mastertape sources (remember the current situation preventing NOTW from being remixed into 5.1?) In fact, about half of the Miracle album has been remixed into surround sound on the GVH2 DVD set, though only one of them is actually 5.1 (the invisible man), the others being 4.1. That of course would lead to the need to re-remix the remixes into 5.1 properly (which wouldn't be too hard, considering they've got all the mixing information saved on ProTools and Waves - they did it with "Another One Bites The Dust" and "Play The Game" when the Game album was remixed into 5.1, while "Save Me" and "Crazy Little Thing Called Love" were left as 4.1 mixes, with the odd noises in the center channel silenced completely) And I think the Miracle tracks that ARE currently available in 5.1 really do rock, especially "I Want It All" (which I never knew had such a powerful thump and punch to the bass and snare drums!!) |
| inu-liger 17.12.2004 15:05 |
And btw. only "Fun In Space" and "Strange Frontier" were actually the only Queen-related solo CD's to be actually remastered from the original analogue tapes (bar the Freddie Mercury albums on the Solo Collection). FIS and SF were only previously available on LP (and cassette?) before 1994, when they went and remastered the stereo masters for what was then the new CD release. Otherwise, Brian's "Starfleet" project HAS been also remastered onto CD, but only as b-sides to the CD-Single editions of "Back To The Light", and also as a whole on the Japanese "Resurrection" mini-LP CD(?), but never as a direct stand-alone CD version of the original LP release from 1983 (which sadly is one of the few records still not released on CD's from the Queen archives, album wise) That aside, I own a copy of "Strange Frontier" on CD, and I really like it, as it's one of my minor favourite CD's to listen to once in a while (and strangely enough, I found it imported here in Edmonton, Canada, at an HMV store - I never knew you could actually order Roger Taylor CD's in Canada thru HMV before!) |
| Serry... 17.12.2004 17:52 |
Inu Yasha (a.k.a. Lum's Stormtroopers) wrote: ...also as a whole on the Japanese "Resurrection" mini-LP CD(?)...It's on CD for sure. |
| redyfredy01 17.12.2004 19:21 |
Ewwwwwwww!!!!!!! i hate digitally remastered C.D. They are called originals for a reason. |
| deleted user 17.12.2004 20:11 |
That's a really peculiar approach to say the least. How do you cope with the fact that the US don't even have non-remastered versions for most of their earlier albums ? |
| Lester Burnham 17.12.2004 20:12 |
Naw man, I still listen to wax cylindrical recordings from the 1800s. |
| Wilki Amieva 17.12.2004 23:59 |
Inu Yasha: FIS and SF remasters are from 1996. And STAR FLEET was released on CD, but not properly remastered. |
| The Fairy King 18.12.2004 09:17 |
In an 1984 interview about the making of The Works Freddie said TW woz the first Queen album that was digitally mastered. |
| inu-liger 21.12.2004 17:12 |
Indeed, TW was the first digitally MASTERED album. But "The Miracle" was the first digitally recorded and mastered album made by Queen. Perhaps I should share the e-mail I got from Justin Shirley-Smith with you guys - what do you think? |
| Penetration_Guru 21.12.2004 17:55 |
Wasn't AKOM digitally recorded? |
| deleted user 22.12.2004 10:27 |
That's a good question, P_G. I keep hearing that Miracle was the first one to be digitally recorded and according to David Richards they sometimes still used analogue machines at that time (TMLWKY is an analogue recording). Still, the AKOM CD is labelled as a "DDD"-one, indicating that it was recorded digitally. Does anyone know more ? |
| inu-liger 22.12.2004 15:29 |
Here's my e-mail from Justin: (I'll have to apologize to him later for not getting permission in time to post this, but I'm sure he wouldn't mind me sharing this!): "Hi Richard In answer to your questions. The earliest digital tape in the Queen audio archive is dated 20th September 1983. This is an F1 format cassette-tape of rough mixes from The Works sessions which is stereo only. The earliest digital multi-track tape in the Queen audio archive is dated 18th September 1987. This is a DASH format tape which has 24 tracks. This tape contains transfers of various Brian songs from analog tapes done at the time Brian first bought the machines - just prior to The Miracle sessions. Obviously, any type of tape damage (water, fire, heat, breakage etc) could result in loss of information if serious enough, but the most important thing to avoid is proximity to anything magnetic, such as a loud speaker. A magnetic field will erase information from analog or digital tapes because they are both magnetic media. This is the first thing you learn in a recording studio for obvious reasons. Since computer hard disks (+ floppy discs, jazz and zip etc) are also magnetic media, they too are best kept away from magnetic fields. In the beginning of automated mixing, the fader move data was recorded on one track per pass alternately, using up two tracks of the multi-track tape. In the Queen Audio archive this only happened on Musicland tapes. Starting from The Works (recorded at The Record Plant LA), one track of the multi-track tape was used to record time-code. This technology comes from the movie industry and is used for synchronising things together, such as music to picture and, in the audio world, facilitated the first 48 track playback by synch'ing one 24 track tape to another 24 track tape. From memory, I think the first 48 track Queen songs are Hard Life and Hammer To Fall. The time code was also used to allow a mix computer to recognise which part of the tape was playing, and therefore which fader moves to perform. The fader mix data was stored separately on computer disks of various kinds. Automated mixing still works in the same way, by chasing time-code." Hope this clears a lot of things up for you guys once and for all. |
| deleted user 22.12.2004 16:01 |
Good one, Dark ! |
| inu-liger 22.12.2004 16:13 |
Gracias, amigo! I think Sebastian could take a leaf out of my post and post some of this stuff on his website. (Though whether the permission is with me or Justin, I'm not sure. But what's done is done) |