| Deacons 1st Choice 15.12.2004 22:04 |
Yep, John i feel is the smartest chap of all by remaining OUT of this "Tour" thingy....he would never agree to come back under these circumstances and i say bless him. I needed to voice my pent up emotions involving the recent breaking news regarding the "Phoenix Band" (aka Paul+ Queen). I SHOULD be peeing my pants with excitement at the news...but for some reason my excitement is stifled. I'm glad that Bri and Roge feel stronge enough to take on this major undertaking, but my fear is that this will be lame like most so-called "Queen" related things have been lately. Don't mean to come across as a downer, but i can't really get overly excited just yet. In my mind, this Tour is not Queen, but as good as we can get so i should be happy with what we DO have. I am as i know Roger and Bri will give us one HELL of a show, but a part of me wishes they would sit this one out. It's a paradox i know...(sigh) Now you can see why i felt a need to vent! John was so right in "leaving" when he did...the man could see with foresight into the future. I hope as i'm sure he does that "Queen" does'nt fade off into the god-awful Hell that is the never-ending "nostalgia show" bands. To quote a line form a related film.... "It's better to BURN OUT (in 1991) then to FADE AWAY (current "Queen" in some respects). Your views? |
| Mack2008 15.12.2004 22:14 |
I kinda see where you're coming from - I have a lot of similar mixed feelings. From reading "Bri's" regular postings on his website I get the feeling that he misses being in the limelight and I get the feeling this tour is a last ditch attempt at grasping at the past. Lets hope they are at least smart in picking the right sized venues! |
| LadyMoonshineDown 15.12.2004 22:28 |
I understand where you are coming from, I really do. It seems as if going on tour will only dig a deep hole for the remaining Queen members. And the fact that John and Freddie won't be in it will leave it in a staggering sway. Then again.... We cannot forsee the future. We don't know what kind of show this tour will bring, and what kind of outcome will result in the end. It could be a great thing, and for Queen lovers all over, I'm sure it would be much more than great; it would be simply wonderful. So I guess I am in a neutral position. I understand and somewhat feel for what you say, but I am also just letting it come as it may. Who knows? It could be the rebirth for Queen, and it could be a wide hole for them to jump in and only go deeper. We'll see how it goes.... Cheers |
| Sebastian 15.12.2004 22:58 |
Yes John is very smart: he lives without working now. That's everybody's dream :) |
| mike hunt 15.12.2004 23:48 |
actually we don't know for sure if john is not going to tour, but we shall see. |
| The Mir@cle 16.12.2004 02:44 |
Exactly, every body says isn't gonna be involved, but according to some sources there's still a little chance. But I'm glad that for the first time in my life I've the chance to see a "Queen" concert. I love Bri and Roger’s decision. |
| The Mir@cle 16.12.2004 03:13 |
Wasn't John working at a DVD-A last year??? I thought I've read something about John visit the studio for some re-released material. |
| Melancholy Blues 16.12.2004 03:38 |
i agree, i'm not that exited about the tour either. i think it would be better if they just let things be, queen was freddie, john, brian and roger. i have no problem with roger and brian wanting to tour, but it shouldn't be under the name of queen. i think john is smart to have retired when he did, lets face the stuff "queen" has done without him is nothing to write home about, the duets with five and robbie williams were awful. |
| Roy ® 16.12.2004 04:29 |
The Mir@cle wrote: Wasn't John working at a DVD-A last year??? I thought I've read something about John visit the studio for some re-released material.Yes i read something like that. That he was doing some work at "his" songs for de DVD audio release. I thougth if was AOBTD |
| The Mir@cle 16.12.2004 05:01 |
That means that Deacy is still involved in some way, and still is in touch with Bri and Rog. Wouldn't it be fantastic if he suddenly appears at one of their concerts? |
| Fenderek 16.12.2004 08:34 |
What pissess me off are ppl saying what john thinks without him giving any interviews whatsoever. How the f**k do you know guys what are his motives and what is he really planning...? Who knows- maybe actually he would like to go on this tour but his wife didn't let him...? :P |
| Lawyeris 16.12.2004 09:00 |
Fenderek wrote: Who knows- maybe actually he would like to go on this tour but his wife didn't let him...? :PYeah, after strip bar thing, it might happen so:) |
| brENsKi 16.12.2004 12:01 |
he's smart-ish but if they go on tour and only perform Freddie/Brian?roger/paul songs then John doesn't make one red cent then how smart is he? |
| deleted user 16.12.2004 12:02 |
Sometimes I think Queen should have stopped touring after Freddie died. In that way the last great tour we remember is probably Live at Wembley 86 - with Freddie. But now Brian and Roger are dragging it out, and maybe this is the wrong way to carry on with Queen. Don't get me wrong - I think it's good Queen are still around, but perhaps with only half of Queen left, it's time to retire for good? |
| The Mir@cle 16.12.2004 13:57 |
"In that way the last great tour we remember is probably Live at Wembley 86 - with Freddie" Live at Wembley was just a part of a tour my dear... |
| Banquo 16.12.2004 14:16 |
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!! Wake me up when its all over. |
| Want To Live Forever 16.12.2004 15:37 |
Our beloved John Deacon is sadly NOT going on tour with our beloved ones BM RT + Paul Rodgers F**k anybody who says PR is replacing Freddie. |
| brENsKi 16.12.2004 17:02 |
i think you've missed the point...HE'S not fekkin well replacing Freddie OKAY? the move to Paul Rogers will undoubtedly take the music in the direction of the pre-queen SMILE days |
| Adam Baboolal 16.12.2004 17:10 |
Too much bawling fans on the name Queen. And too much time comparing the original line-up with things like 5ive and Robbie recordings. The only thing they've done properly under the Queen name are the 46664 songs and No-One But You. Not bad, but not great. Except NOBY, as that's actually really cool. But since that's all there really is, why say it's crap from here on? Let's wait and see and then decide. And I still put forth the notion that the Queen line-up change is NOT going to tamper with the past image of Queen. Anyone who thinks that is either a stepford or really hung-up on the most insignificant and unimportant of things. Peace, Adam. EDIT: Brian said PR is NOT replacing Freddie. Guess who did say PR is replacing Freddie... NME! |
| the oppositionist 16.12.2004 17:50 |
I for one think queen are my favourite band, so if this tour was never to happen, i would never get to see them live and that would be a pity. Ive been dying for this moment for years now, so for me 1) sure, respect to john for doing what he did when he did 2) im still pleased the tour is happening. i think its going to be absolutely huge!!! |
| FreDRicca_MeRcUrY 16.12.2004 18:13 |
If i'm correct queen is FREDDIE, BRIAN, ROGER and JOHN given Freddie is no longer with us it can't techically be queen without John so... |
| lyricalassasin77 16.12.2004 22:05 |
Your damn right John is the only smart one because he's not taking the name QUEEN to new lows by doing this proposterous tour of Brian's and Roger's. For you silly f**ks that want to pretend that Brian and Roger can carry on as Queen and be successful you are pretty damn stupid. It's selfish of them and you to want them to carry on this way. They had there time, Freddie is not around and John wants no parts of it but these 2 just can't let well enough be. I'm all for whatever they want to do but putting the name QUEEN on it is wrong. I'm a very big fan of Queen but I'm not that desperate and selfish of a fan to where I want them to release new material and go on tours when they will be way subpar and not the whole band. I am a fan of Freddie, John, Brian, and Roger as a whole, not as some half ass act still tryin to use the great name of QUEEN just because there old ass's can't be content to let it rest and be proud of what they accomplished. I'm glad I'm in the United States and won't be subjected to such a tour..............Peace |
| Want To Live Forever 17.12.2004 00:25 |
Adam Baboolal wrote: EDIT: Brian said PR is NOT replacing Freddie. Guess who did say PR is replacing Freddie... NME!and Yahoo! link and The Associated Press... it's sad..... check queen zone news |
| mike hunt 17.12.2004 01:39 |
seen already, it does make you second guess this whole thing. |
| trustno1 17.12.2004 04:51 |
You have to wonder about Brian and Roger. Queen Productions continues to drive the group's reputation into the ground with all their compilation releases and musical. Brian and Roger collaborate with Britney, et al, *as Queen!!* Where will it end. F**king stop it why don't you!!! |
| The Mir@cle 17.12.2004 06:00 |
The collaborations with Britney etc where wrong, but they’ve made a good decision to work with Paul... It's not damaging the name Queen trustno1. |
| Sonja 17.12.2004 06:39 |
Even if there weren't tour plans I think that John's the one who deserves the greatest respect. John was entirely completely Queen. After Freddie died and the Tribute concert was played and Made In Heaven recorded he was done with Queen. It must have been hard for him but he did the right thing. And as much as I would love to see him coming out of his "hiding place", wherever that is, I hope he will remain smart and won't take part of that new Queen + Rodgers thing. That's a huge risk Bri and Roger are taking. |
| The Mir@cle 17.12.2004 07:06 |
Tought I don't share your opinion, you have a fair point Sonja. You're not visit one of forthcoming concerts?? |
| Hankster 17.12.2004 07:20 |
The day I hear the news that Deacy will also be a part of Queen again for the next tour, I'll be more excited than when I heard the announcement of the tour itself.. The fact that he also did No-One But You and the little gig at the Béjart Ballet, tells me that he didn't stop only because of Freddie's death .. Since the mid-90's, Queen didn't do anything really new; some little gigs, some collaborations, but not a new album or a real tour. I think that thát was also a reason for Deacy to retire; there wasn't a real challenge for him anymore.. So I'm not that certain that John won't be a part of this all. But then again, we haven't heard a thing from him in years, so I don't expect one single word now. |
| The Mir@cle 17.12.2004 08:20 |
Yeah, we are all want Deacy back!! The fact that Bri and Roger don't talk about him, is not really hopefull. But Deacy joining Queen again, wouldn't be the last Miracle on earth. |
| Hankster 17.12.2004 08:44 |
The Mir@cle wrote: Yeah, we are all wanted Deacy back!! The fact that Bri and Roger don't talk about him, is not really hopefull.Besides they gonna tour, they haven't told a single detail about it :p So that doesn't say anything to me. But when it's 1. January and there's still no word about John, thán I think he will not be a part of it .. till then, I'm still hoping :) |
| The Mir@cle 17.12.2004 09:15 |
Just read this on Queenonline.com: *Queen to tour in the spring with "The Voice" Queen is looking to tour in the spring, with Bad Company's Paul Rodgers handling the vocals. Apparently the news was meant to be kept under wraps, but Brian May's Web site has a quote from May himself "endorsing" the news. May said: "It really all came about because of the Fender 50th Anniversary gig that I did with Paul Rodgers. We were both so amazed at the chemistry that was going on in 'All Right Now,' that suddenly it seems blindingly obvious that there was 'something happening here.'" Originally the two were just talking about going it as a duo, but then they got Queen drummer Roger Taylor in on it and a Queen/Rodgers tour began to take shape. The trio will play songs from both the Queen songbook as well as from Bad Company and Rodgers' other band Free. According to May, the tour should be underway by April. Hmmm.. The Trio??? There isns't gonna be a bassman at all?? Queen is four, not three!!! |
| deleted user 17.12.2004 09:21 |
The Mir@cle... I think you contradict yourself ... you always said: there is no replacing of Freddie, its queen AND Paul Rodgers... now you complain that Queen are only a THREE piece at the moment. If anything, than Queen are only a TWO piece consisting of Brian May and Roger Taylor (the other two are gone) ... so why do you already count Paul Rodgers as a Queen member? |
| Sonja 17.12.2004 10:49 |
The Mir@cle wrote: Tought I don't share your opinion, you have a fair point Sonja. You're not visit one of forthcoming concerts??Of course I will go to one of the concerts, too curious not to go. But I wouldn't travel a long way. I'll go to one that's sort of nearby. I am sure they'll put up a great show, Queen-style, but I am not a big fan of these kinds of things to be honest.... I think the musical's enough and it is a good way to keep the Queen legend alive. So why extend everything in such a big way? |
| Leech 17.12.2004 12:18 |
I completely agree with you, Deacons 1st Choice. I could not have explained it better. I'm not against this tour, but... no Freddie, no Queen. |
| mike hunt 17.12.2004 12:29 |
the good thing about this whole tour thing is, it could bring queens name back to the public, that's always good for the queen legacy, instead of being non existent. |
| Sonja 17.12.2004 13:06 |
mike hunt wrote: the good thing about this whole tour thing is, it could bring queens name back to the public, that's always good for the queen legacy, instead of being non existent.There's the musical and there were so many other things in which Queen - Bri and Roger - were involved so they've never been "non extistant". |
| Little_Queenie 17.12.2004 13:15 |
I totally understand how you guys feel... It's really strange, although I'd give evrything to see any Queen member live, I also feel some kind of guilt when even thinking about them going on tour under Queen name.. Thinking about it further, I think it's pretty stupid to think that way. It's not like they're betraying Freddie if they go touring. The show must go on, I think Fred would find it ridiculous, people bitching against Brian and Roger all the time. For Gods sake, they were not only working together, they were great friends, they knew each other for half of their lives.. Of course it won't be Queen any more, it could never be without Freddie. But I don't understand what's all the fuss about. In the end, Brian and Roger ARE Queen. Half of it, but still the only living members who want to carry on and do some more music. I don't see what's wrong about it. And concerning the name, DOES IT REALLY MATTER?? Even if they called themselves (and whoever is going with them) "Watermelon", people would anyway say: "Aaah, those are the guys from Queen"... I think they have the right to tour if they want, and I do respect John's choice not to. The name doesn't matter. |
| mike hunt 17.12.2004 13:30 |
your right, it's not a big deal, and the show must go on and it will go on. we don't know for a fact that john isn't going to tour, hopefully he surprises us. |
| mike hunt 17.12.2004 13:30 |
your right, it's not a big deal, and the show must go on and it will go on. we don't know for a fact that john isn't going to tour, hopefully he surprises us. |
| Hankster 17.12.2004 13:46 |
Sonja wrote: There's the musical and there were so many other things in which Queen - Bri and Roger - were involved so they've never been "non extistant".Precisely, and this is one of these things. And because of this tour, Queen is mentioned again at so many websited (in just one week from nothing at Google, to dozens of hits about this tour), newspapers and TV shows .. This tour-news itself is already a great PR for the band! |
| slightly mad 22 17.12.2004 15:39 |
i think we should just wait and see what happens!! i've never seen them live so this is my only chance(pleased on that point) but if it's in wrong venues(un-able to fill) and too many non Queen songs(too many p.rodgers) it will ruin it i think but im hoping for the best!! |
| QUEEN11 17.12.2004 17:23 |
i really admire john for what he is,think it's very brave of him to always keep a low profile and only ever get involved when it involves REAL queen issues,ie future audio/dvd releases,it must be tempting sometimes to be like roger and specially brian..but i'd rather be like john,and keep the great memories of the past,instead of MAYBE not so good future memories...good on you john.... |
| brENsKi 17.12.2004 17:51 |
fekkin hell!!! jesus!!! you admire John for "keeping a low profile" how fekkin bizarre a statement is that he's fekkin retired - that's what people do whe THEY RETIRE - THEY KEEP A LOW PROFILE |
| All Star 17.12.2004 18:29 |
I love it when people try to second guess the reasons for John retiring from Queen. Who knows why he retired...he was never comfortable with the celebrity life and didn't enjoy being famous - perhaps he wanted to spend time with his family instead of travelling the world promoting the musical. Lets not forget that John was involved with NOBY and The Bejart Ballet performance with Elton John. However i believe even if Freddie was still alive and Queen were still an active band...John would probably have retired in 1997 anyway... I would love John to tour with Bri and Rog next year but i doubt it will happen so we have to make the best of it. |
| redyfredy01 17.12.2004 19:12 |
it depends on how you look at it, but i guess your right Deacon's 1st choice. |
| mike hunt 17.12.2004 22:08 |
you have to remember, fred and john became very close as the years went on, by the time fred died they might have been the closest, there was no need for john to continue without his friend, and mabe john new something we didn't, like, did they have anything else to offer, music wise. |
| Deacons 1st Choice 17.12.2004 22:47 |
Thanks for all the GREAT opinions gang...it's nice to hear all the thoughts regarding this topic. There are some good points here....Joh WAS INDEED very close to Freddie. Moreso then most propbalby realize. Fred's death was a real blow to John..not just because of the obvious, but because it no doubt harkened back to the days of his youth when his father passed on. That single event had a profound effect on him. John has enjoyed being "busy" with Queen activities in the past...it's when these activities stopped that he would become bored and sink into the background. Perhaps as noted above his interest may return upon news of this tour? Personally i think John has called it a day and he so rightly derserves to. The guy did'nt really have his own life for most of it, due ti him being in Queen, so he should take sometime now to himself. I would love to see him make a special appearence though...at some one-off gig or something. Probably whatever turns out to be the London venue he will be there somewhere...if not onstage then in the crowd. I guarentee it! |
| lyricalassasin77 18.12.2004 01:40 |
Brenksi you are a stupid motherfucker.........You gonna down somebody for stating the obvious you miserable piece of shit!!! John is the smartest of all for not having no parts of this ridiculous charade. Good for him.......When you people gonna realize there is no QUEEN without Freddie nor John. Your about as desperate as Brian and Roger are. Peace |
| Jimmy Dean 18.12.2004 02:42 |
Queen were a success for two reasons: 1) Bohemian Rhapsody 2) Their live shows Obvisouly BoRhap was written by freddie, let's put that aside. Watch the Freddie Tribute Concert, then watch any Queen show: Wembley, Milton Keynes, Montreal Forum, etc... Notice what made Queen such a great act? A flamboyant singer strutting around the stage and getting a crowd of 70+ thousand to get off their asses and join the show (w/ the exception of Montreal) Can Pul Rodgers do that? I mean, even to see Roger & Brian perform live again, it just wouldn't be worth it. Another reason why I'm not looking forward to seeing them live should they come to Montreal is that we already know what kind of songs will be featured on their setlist. Queen are "market"-driven corporation. They are corporate rockers. They will play the hits to get a younger audience, ie Radio Ga Ga, WATC, WWRY, BoRhap, Crazy Little Thing, etc.. When I hear real live classics like It's Late, Liar, Dragon Attack & Sheer Heart Attack being played, I might feel interested to pay the price to watch the show... |
| brENsKi 18.12.2004 06:31 |
lyricalassassin you have been insulting. i haven't - i merely highlighted the obviousness of the original statement. It's is not my fault if someone else's english is wrong. read it again. what else can a person do when they retire - other than keep a low profile? and there was no need to call me anything. i commented on a stamtment and i DID NOT get personal...but if you want to then feel free - it shows your lack of something |
| queen_forever_87 18.12.2004 06:35 |
Deacons 1st Choice wrote: To quote a line form a related film.... "It's better to BURN OUT (in 1991) then to FADE AWAY (current "Queen" in some respects).You are so right with this Quote from Highlander... good thinking.... Although I'd love to see Bri and Rog play live, it may have been better for Queen to stop when Freddie died... 'cause this isn't Queen anymore... it's just a left-over... (and not such a good one anymore) |
| the oppositionist 18.12.2004 07:59 |
lyricalassasin_77 wrote: Your damn right John is the only smart one because he's not taking the name QUEEN to new lows by doing this proposterous tour of Brian's and Roger's. For you silly f**ks that want to pretend that Brian and Roger can carry on as Queen and be successful you are pretty damn stupid. It's selfish of them and you to want them to carry on this way. They had there time, Freddie is not around and John wants no parts of it but these 2 just can't let well enough be. I'm all for whatever they want to do but putting the name QUEEN on it is wrong. I'm a very big fan of Queen but I'm not that desperate and selfish of a fan to where I want them to release new material and go on tours when they will be way subpar and not the whole band. I am a fan of Freddie, John, Brian, and Roger as a whole, not as some half ass act still tryin to use the great name of QUEEN just because there old ass's can't be content to let it rest and be proud of what they accomplished. I'm glad I'm in the United States and won't be subjected to such a tour..............Peaceim not actually sure anyone has said this! i think people will just be pleased to see roger and brian tour to be honest. im pretty sure john wont do it (OF COURSE NOT) and i dont like them using the name queen, but its a brand, thus it will obviously help them make money. |
| the oppositionist 18.12.2004 08:05 |
actually technically speaking, john is an idiot not to join in here. he will now only make money from the use of his songs. if he appeared himself, hed make real money. his loss |
| Hankster 18.12.2004 10:39 |
Vincent Gélinas wrote: Roger singing RADIO GA GA and Brian singing HAMMER TO FALL, what the hell is that? They are simply ruining Queen's legacy by not retiring...Long live to Queen...on CD.Queen's legacy = also Bri's and Rogers legacy. Those songs are their creation .. why may these great artists not sing their own numbers, play the numbers that has been written by their friends but are co-played by these 2 gentlemen for 20 years, and why may these 2 hero's not tour with the name of a band that is a part of them for more then 30 years of their lives? It's their thing, so live with it. You can't expect from them that they only look back at this dream, watch the Wembley DVD at saturday evening with their wifes and only release a GH cd so now or then. They want to continue playing "till they f*kking die!" |
| Hitman 18.12.2004 11:16 |
AH i can't read everyone's posts unfortunately, anyway i'm happy about the tour, i'll try to see at least one show, and i thank Bri and Rog for the decision! Well, with me as lead singer it could have been better :P |
| mamamia 18.12.2004 15:45 |
HEAR HEAR!!! |
| Deacons 1st Choice 08.01.2005 21:33 |
Yes, i guess they will indeed "..play until the f***** well DIE!" at this rate. For those fortunate ones who will be attending the Brixton Show...keep your eyes open in the crowd. You just never know who may be standing there watching the show with you! I think John will be watching this tour with great interest from a far distance...it will be interesting to see if they play any of his songs so he can get some royalties.... Would be nice.... |