QueenZone discussion #440198
Could Brian and Roger sound like Queen in studio?
| Another Roger (re) 15.12.2004 12:24 |
Oh yes! In fact, no doubt about it! I hoped that Queen fans could name harmonies were Freddie did not participate in the old days. I think I know some. - Fat Bottomed girls (isnt that only Brian in the intro? ) Winters tale (I think some harmonies there are only Brian and Roger) I think a lot from made in heaven contains only Brian and Roger in the harmonies, and I think it sounds great. Same goes for No One But You. |
| brENsKi 15.12.2004 13:05 |
thought freddie was on the intro to FBG??? |
| Adam Baboolal 15.12.2004 15:00 |
And listening to the little jam they had at the Rockfield studios (In the boRhap docu), they're still good on that side of things! And yes, the MIH stuff is also a good example. Peace, Adam. |
| Another Roger (re) 15.12.2004 15:13 |
"thought freddie was on the intro to FBG???" It sounds like Brian to me! Can anybody confirm this? |
| Ms. Bea Haven 15.12.2004 15:14 |
Sure. Headlong - near the end, sounds like all Brian to me. |
| brENsKi 15.12.2004 15:42 |
what i'm saying is that the harmonies appear to be fred/brian and roger |
| makavelli 15.12.2004 18:09 |
Bottom line...no. Watching the recent Queen film where Brian and Roger went back to where BH was recorded just did not sound the same without JD and Freddie. |
| Sebastian 15.12.2004 22:53 |
Fat Bots intro, in the studio, has Brian in the lead voice, Freddie in the middle harmony, and Freddie (?) in the low part. The live version changes the arrangement: the low part is done one octave higher and sung by Roger, and Fred & Brian switch positions. Harmonies that sound Queen-esque without Freddie: - Driven By You - Love Token - No One But You - Save Me (2nd bridge) - Las Palabras De Amor ("this night and evermore") But most of them were done by Brian while he still sang good imo (1947-1998). Nowadays his voice sucks (listen to No One But You at Amsterdam or that poor Too Much Love with Pavarotti) |
| Another Roger (re) 16.12.2004 05:37 |
"Bottom line...no. Watching the recent Queen film where Brian and Roger went back to where BH was recorded just did not sound the same without JD and Freddie. " Thats a stupid remark. Of course they couldnt sound the same when there where no bass player. And what kind of instrument did Freddie play in the hard rock section of borhap live? Answer: Nothing. He sang. |
| Sebastian 16.12.2004 06:58 |
The voice is an instrument as well |
| tomnever 16.12.2004 08:25 |
For me one of the major parts of the distinctive sound of Queen is the Red Special and Brian's playing. |
| Another Roger (re) 16.12.2004 08:30 |
Makavelli said that that Brian and Roger didnt sound the same. EHH.. Freddie doesnt affect the guitar og drumplaying. If you take the BoRhap mastertape and removes freddies voice and John Deacons bass the guitar is still the same! Are you stupid? |
| kohuept 16.12.2004 13:53 |
No-one has mentioned Tie Your Mother Down's chorus is all Brian. |
| brENsKi 16.12.2004 15:56 |
i thought all of the lead on tie your mother down was freddie |
| GiantSpider 16.12.2004 16:07 |
tbh bri doesn't sound the same as he did then. |
| teddybear 16.12.2004 17:09 |
I think it could sound similar (due to the Red) but not the same (for obvious reasons). The harmonies of Bri, Rog and Freddie were always so amazing - and Freddie does do abit of harmony of "I'm in love with my Car" - I always wait for it, coz it sounds so darn good !!!! |
| kohuept 16.12.2004 17:18 |
Remember, too, that we're mainly talking about harmonies and "the sound" so neither Bri nor Rog might sound as they did long ago, but as long as their voices meld as well as they did, they'll be golden. They should be able to get some version of the Queen sound. |
| Sebastian 16.12.2004 18:04 |
> And I don't think that it is difficult to find a PIANIST who could replace Freddie It's not that easy. It's not a matter of finding someone who can play the same notes (I think any pianist, guitarist, bassist or drummer with 3 years of experience can play any Fred, Brian, John or Rog part with the same speed) but the way he did them. In the case of 'Car' it's easy, in the case of, say, Bo Rhap, imo Spike ruins it. > '39 didn't even have Freddie's participation (studio version). Fred sang harmonies. Loads of them > Tenement Funster Fred played piano > Modern Times Rock'n'Roll Fred played piano, and sang harmonies > No-one has mentioned Tie Your Mother Down's chorus is all Brian. Because it's not. Listen to the DTS channels: Freddie and Roger are more than clearly there. |
| deleted user 16.12.2004 22:11 |
Sebastian wrote: > It's not that easy. It's not a matter of finding someone who can play the same notes (I think any pianist, guitarist, bassist or drummer with 3 years of experience can play any Fred, Brian, John or Rog part with the same speed) but the way he did them. In the case of 'Car' it's easy, in the case of, say, Bo Rhap, imo Spike ruins it.ANY part ? At the same speed ? After three years ? Sorry, Seb, as much as I usually tend to agree with you, but this is just ridiculous. The entire Miracle-album alone speaks against this notion. |
| Want To Live Forever 16.12.2004 22:23 |
not charles baer™ <br><font size=1>poo wrote: " Same goes for No One But You. " no shit , sherlockhe he he |
| Want To Live Forever 16.12.2004 22:26 |
ç check the intro chorus on Brian's too much love WKY and tell me if that doesn't sound like a Queen harmony. |
| Sebastian 16.12.2004 23:29 |
Three years remark - well... not to be taken litherally, I admit I went too far, depends on how much does the person practice, etc. But, anyway, there's not any guitar/piano/drums/bass part which is actually difficult to play for a pro or semi-pro (leaving open the actual time, wheter it's 3/4 years or 40). Not even Invisible Man guitar solo, Death On Two Legs piano intro, Don't Try Suicide middle eight bass or Fat Bots "hit-everything-near-you" part. The thing is that, it's not simply a matter of playing the same notes/hits at the same speed. It's a matter of performance, in the same way it isn't the same Jim Carrey than Matthew Perry developing the same script, each one brings live to the character in a different way. So, to sum up, you can eaily find a bassist or pianist who can learn any part John or Freddie did and play it the same way (in terms of speed and stuff), but you won't find one who can play them the same way. |
| Want To Live Forever 17.12.2004 00:34 |
oh mamma mia, mamma mia! |
| deleted user 17.12.2004 09:18 |
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| deleted user 17.12.2004 09:18 |
<Three years remark - well... not to be taken litherally, I admit I went too far, depends on how much does the person practice, etc. But, anyway, there's not any guitar/piano/drums/bass part which is actually difficult to play for a pro or semi-pro (leaving open the actual time, wheter it's 3/4 years or 40). > Well, then you must be on a very sophisticated level musically and you apparently only know incredibly kick-ass musicians. Where I come from, being a pro or a semi-pro doesn't say anything. The world is full of very modest pro-guitarists (most shredders never get out of their rehearsal rooms anyway, and luckily so, because no-one wants to hear those fekkers...unimaginative gits). Same goes for other instruments. I would claim that an overwhelming number of pros and semi-pros (no matter how long they've been in the business) would simply die at the prospect of having to nail (I think we're both talking about nailing things here, not playing them so-so) a selection of Rog (do a Roger hit-by-hit with the same use of hi-hat ?...nah) or Bri-parts (I'm thinking of the Scandal solo at the moment, but you could even take things as banal as the BohRhap solo...do you nail it ?). Of course, if you lock them into a rehearsal room and let them do nothing else for the next weeks, it will look different in many cases, but that's not the realistic situation. And even then it still would have been a difficult task, contrary to your statement. Apart from that, if you take that route of argument, virtually anything can be practiced satisfactorily. But I think you were talking about the rountine abilities of a pro. Sorry, but I think I'd still have to disagree. Maybe you're really only used to the cream of the crop, but that is hardly representative. |
| Sebastian 17.12.2004 09:42 |
I still think what I think but I don't have any way to demonstrate my point, therefore I just leave it there. Again I'm not talking about sounding the same or producing the same effect. I'm talking about doing the parts, which doesn't mean doing them exactly the same. For a good performance there's more than certain speed and order, there's also... well, that, performance, and that's what a bunch of pros or semi-pros don't achieve. Perhaps some do, and most likely there are some who can really make fantastic performances. I think, for example, there'd be no problem for Brian to do the solo of Guv'nor by himself, and play the same notes at the same speed, but he chose Jeff for it because of that "metaphysical" quality that goes beyond the notes and stuff. And it was my point in the first place: to find a pianist who can play the same parts he played is very easy. To find one who can do them with the same performance quality as he did them... that's very hard. Same for John, Brian or Roger. |
| Rotwang 17.12.2004 10:11 |
Brian and Freddie's background vocals can be hard to distinguish at times. Is Freddie's voice in the vocal intro on Brian's solo version of Too Much Love Will Kill You? It sounds like it could be on of the higher parts. If not, Brian himself could pull off the Queen vocal sound. Roger is always a good addition to the vocals. |
| Lord Blackadder 17.12.2004 10:39 |
The start of the live Fat Bottomed Girls is alot better than the studio. Differant voices = better sound. And obviously they can sound like Queen. Being in Queen and all. |
| deleted user 17.12.2004 17:48 |
Sebastian wrote: I still think what I think but I don't have any way to demonstrate my point, therefore I just leave it there. Again I'm not talking about sounding the same or producing the same effect. I'm talking about doing the parts, which doesn't mean doing them exactly the same. For a good performance there's more than certain speed and order, there's also... well, that, performance, and that's what a bunch of pros or semi-pros don't achieve.I totally agree with the second part of your statement, but I wasn't talking about playing it with exactly the same performance and articulation, either, but about playing the same notes with the same timing. And based on that, I still can't quite fathom how you managed to arrive at your extremely ambitious point of view. Are you judging from your own musical abilities ? From the pros you know personally ? From the WWRY-cast and cover bands ? These tend skip the really difficult material and more often than not dodge the bitchier bars by making small variatons. And these are people who have specially trained for quite a while to play Queen-stuff. An overwhelming majority of pros and semi-pros out there hasn't. They come from different backgrounds and are used to different styles. What is even a proficient roots, funk or calypso guitar-player gonna do with something like the outro to The Miracle ? Even most rock-guitarists will find this one difficult. Just two examples to illustrate my personal experiences: I once took a few lessons with a very well-versed semi-pro guitar-player who used to focus on playing stuff by Steve Vai and Yngwie J(erk) Malmsteem in his spare time. The same bloke considered "One Vision" to be "fekkin' hard". Recently I talked to another pretty proficient and well-booked guitar-player whose band I intended to join and he referred to Brian as being a "fuckin' lunatic" (commenting on the trickiness of his licks), vowing not play any Queen-material other than CLTCL on stage, because "you're meant to look shite". |
| Sebastian 17.12.2004 19:09 |
Well yes, you do have a point considering the background thing. Perhaps some guitarist (pro or semi-pro) who only can make scales would have troubles even playing Let It Be. Or one who only can play metal would have to practice a lot to get the funky rhythm of Staying Power quite right. My statement did over-simplify the whole point. Sorry about that. Too Much Love intro is all Brian, including the highest parts. That's what was nice about the three of them: for a certain extent (more or less from D2 to D4) each one of them could sing anything, so they could make full choirs only using one of them. Now, what's better than a great singer with a great range? Two great singers with great ranges. And what's better than that? three. Few bands have that privilege (Bee Gees & Eagles are other examples) |
| redyfredy01 17.12.2004 19:15 |
i never thought about who sang what. I mean, i love Queen but i never paid attention to those kinds of details unless i knew for a fact it wasn't freddie singing. |
| Benja 17.12.2004 20:49 |
Of course it would sound like Queen, for sure without freddie, but they are still Queen! |
| Melancholy Blues 18.12.2004 02:50 |
i don't think they would, especially if they make an album with paul rodgers and no john. they would sound like queen and paul rodgers, not queen. |