| Fenderek 14.12.2004 04:18 |
Reading all those discussions... Everywhere everyone says about the name, about remembering Freddie... about us against the idea or pro... Saying that Queen died in 1991 or not, threatening almost to burn entire collections ( :) ) But- do we own this band...? as fans- it seems like many ppl lost any sense of reality- yes, we buy records and tickets and whatever, but... we do not own the band, do we? We may say- I don't like it and not be part of it, but sometimes it goes too far, doesn't it? It's almost as if Queen legacy was OUR property and Roger and Brian are absolutely obliged to do with it what WE (as owners) want... Isn't it a bit weird...? Isn't it THEIR band, THEIR music...? Isn't it THEIR decission to either disband or go on tour...? We liked it in 70s and 80s- no one forced us... They were doing THEIR thing and we just liked it, loved it.... Suddenly, when their changed their mind (doing sth under Queen banner after Fred's death)- we're acting as if someone was stealing sth from us... It's not THEM who owe us something- WE owe them the right t odo whatever the hell they want- THEIR music changed our lives, THEY were touring for so many years giving us hours of fun, THEY recorded some great albums giving us some memories... And THEY owe us something...? Just a thought... |
| akan 14.12.2004 04:26 |
totally agree with fenderek |
| Another Roger (re) 14.12.2004 04:28 |
Nice to read this. I also think along those lines. Queen have too many cocky fans. |
| Daburcor? 14.12.2004 04:32 |
I own them... And all of you for that matter! ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Now, On a serious note, Nice topic! ;) |
| Lara 14.12.2004 05:23 |
To nie tak.Mam gdzies polityczna poprawnosc.Nienawidze kiedy nie wolno mi mowic tego co czuje,bo cos tam.Prezydenta np. tez nie masz na wlasnosc,ale to nie znaczy,ze nie mozesz na niego powrzucac,jesli uwazasz,ze to swinia.Tak,tak,wiem-odpowiesz,ze tamten jest w sluzbie publicznej,a nasi panowie od 30 juz lat robia nam dobrze.Niemniej,wsciekam sie, kiedy ludzie odmawiaja mi prawa do wypowiedzenia na glos swojego zdania.Przeciez jestesmy myslacymi ludzmi i w domysle kazdy zaczyna swoja wypowiedz "za" czy "przeciw" od "moim zdaniem". Chyba nic w tym zlego. Mnie akurat troche zabolal ten nius o trasie,bo jak ktos umiera i mimo uplywu czasu wciaz ci go brakuje,to nie sposob nie zauwazyc bez przykrosci,ze zycie i swiat toczy sie bez tego kogos.A ja akurat zawsze przykrosc staram sie pokrywac zloscia i agresja. wiem,ze to nieladnie mowic w towarzystwie w jezyku,ktorego inni nie rozumieja,ale wyjatkowo nie chcialo mi sie gadac ze wszystkimi.How rude! Szacunek. |
| The Mir@cle 14.12.2004 05:29 |
Go Fenderek Go... I'm your biggest fan! Lara, I totally agree... that's very rude. (-; |
| Regor 14.12.2004 06:02 |
Totally agree with you, Fenderek ! Excellent Thread !!! |
| Teo_torriate04 14.12.2004 06:20 |
Absolutely agree with fenderek. Can't believe the audacity of some people. Brian & Roger have the absolute right both legally and morally to do whatever they like. We, the record/ticket buying public, have the right to make a personal decision as to whether or not to support them. Personally I feel that they've given me so much over the last 30 years that if they decide that this tour feels right for them, that's good enough for me, and Queen + Paul Rodgers sounds just fine. |
| Lara 14.12.2004 06:52 |
Yeah!! FENDEREK FOR PRESIDENT!! |
| Fenderek 14.12.2004 07:21 |
Lara wrote: To nie tak.Mam gdzies polityczna poprawnosc.Nienawidze kiedy nie wolno mi mowic tego co czuje,bo cos tam.Prezydenta np. tez nie masz na wlasnosc,ale to nie znaczy,ze nie mozesz na niego powrzucac,jesli uwazasz,ze to swinia.Tak,tak,wiem-odpowiesz,ze tamten jest w sluzbie publicznej,a nasi panowie od 30 juz lat robia nam dobrze.Niemniej,wsciekam sie, kiedy ludzie odmawiaja mi prawa do wypowiedzenia na glos swojego zdania.Przeciez jestesmy myslacymi ludzmi i w domysle kazdy zaczyna swoja wypowiedz "za" czy "przeciw" od "moim zdaniem". Chyba nic w tym zlego. Mnie akurat troche zabolal ten nius o trasie,bo jak ktos umiera i mimo uplywu czasu wciaz ci go brakuje,to nie sposob nie zauwazyc bez przykrosci,ze zycie i swiat toczy sie bez tego kogos.A ja akurat zawsze przykrosc staram sie pokrywac zloscia i agresja. wiem,ze to nieladnie mowic w towarzystwie w jezyku,ktorego inni nie rozumieja,ale wyjatkowo nie chcialo mi sie gadac ze wszystkimi.How rude! Szacunek.OK- but I'll answer in English, all right? :) I don't care about political correctness either- in fact, I'm totally against it!!! It's not about NOT TALKING what we feel or having a right to criticise. We all have right to do so and actually I'm the one who is using this right a lot on this board!!! How many times ppl went berserk when I criticised Wembley or Works or collaboration with Britney. I'm far from being stepford, and most pp, here I'm sure know that! Yes- we have the right to say what we think and we SHOULD do tjust that!!! But it makes me laugh when ppl suddenly go abnanas because THEIR favourite band made a move they dissaprove. It's different with politics- politicians DO STEAL from you, their decissions may hurt many people; we shouldn't criticise that- we should stop that and make them responsible for whatever mess they're doing!!! But it's MUSIC we're talking about! No-one is stealing anything from fans!!!!! Memories? we still have them, don't we? Sentiments? They're still there! It's not religion!!! (and even religion we treat too seriously!!!) It's music- it's entertainment, it's fun! Queeen never tried to change the world- they were having a lot of fun and because we liked the music they did- they earned a lot of money! But it's their music and their band and they're not stealing anything from anyone!!! You may not like what they do (just like I hate WATC with Robbie...) and cool! Criticise! But saying "I don't like it" rather tahn "how can they do it to Freddie" or "they have no right". If anyone has- it's them! They were playing with Mercury for 20 years, not us! And c'mon- it's been 13 years ago- he's dead! His music didn't die, but he's gone! How can you miss him anyway??? You never knew him!!! You became a fan in 1991- he was already dead!!! YOu can't miss him!!! Brian and Roger can! You know him through his music- it's still HERE!!!! It's not going anywhere!!!! Why abgry and sad then??? I never knew the guy, he was never my friend... his music changed my life- I'm a musician myself! But I don't miss him; and he's not my God or anything like that. I don't own the spirit of Freddie. no one does. You can have your own VISION of it. And no one- EVER- will take it away from you. Especially not by touring with paul Rodgers... |
| deleted user 14.12.2004 07:37 |
You're a voice of reason. Kudos to you. |
| deleted user 14.12.2004 07:46 |
What are you all complaining about .... the "other" Queen fans have their fucking right to say they don't like it - we might say that you go too far defending everything Brian and Roger do. You are always talking about THEY gave us the joy, the music, we should not complain therefore .... BUT you seem to forget that THEY are not just Roger and Brian, BUT also FREDDIE and JOHN. Speaking of myself, Freddie Mercury was mostly the reason I began to listen to Queen, I became a Queen fan when HE died, he wrote most of the Queen-songs i prefer (although my greatest song of Queen besides BoRap is Radio Ga Ga by Taylor), it was his stage show, his voice, his outrageous performances in the videos that I admire most, he even created the fucking Queen crest, besides that I prefer John as a songwriter over Roger. So I owe Freddie much more than Brian and Roger. For me Queen could only exist as long as the four were together (even if Freddie was the most important member), because especially Brian May together with Freddie created the classic Queen sound. - So its easy to see why Queen ended in 1991. John seems to accept it - so why can't you? Roger and Brian still can do music, together or solo. I even went to a Brian May-solo concert, so I care not just about Freddie. But they can't ressurect something that is no more. Pretending being Queen without Freddie, is like being the Stones without Mick Jagger - it doesn't work. They even said so ín the past ("Queen is over,..etc."). Now you will say they can change their mind - come on its not like: "I didn't like fish, but from now on I'm going to eat it". If they have a bit of respect for Freddie and John their tour under another name. Besides that you also don't like to see facts in the face. Why do they want to be Queen again... of course because they love it, but also because they think they may gonna be successful again (because solo they really aren't so much!)... but they can't fool people. I will listen to songs if Brian and Roger play them under their own name, but I won't buy a Freddie-replacement like Paul Rodgers. I hope I have made the point clear. |
| Spud 14.12.2004 07:49 |
<b><font color="red">Peter Cetera</b>wrote:But they can't ressurect something that is no more.I think you'll find that they have, can and will no matter what you say. |
| deleted user 14.12.2004 07:57 |
But that doesn't make it better ... have much fun at this ridiculous nostalgia act (thats what it is, there is not even any new material) ... I prefer going to concerts of rock stars that still exist and make new material (David Bowie or Duran Duran for example) |
| Spud 14.12.2004 07:58 |
<b><font color="red">Peter Cetera</b> wrote: But that doesn't make it better ... have much fun at this ridiculous nostalgia act (thats what it is, there is not even any new material) ... I prefer going to concerts of rock stars that still exist and make new material (David Bowie or Duran Duran for example)Ah but I'm a sucker for nostalgia. |
| Regor 14.12.2004 08:03 |
I wonder if Pink Floyd-Fans have the same kind of arguments - or AC/DC-Fans. Look, they founded this band. Much to our pleasure, but not by our request. They don't have any responsibilities towards us, the fans. They knew Freddie. They know John. I may not like every decision since Fred's death, but I respect them. And I am a musician. I love playing live. So do they. End of story. And once again everything IMHO, and of course everyones entitled to have their own. |
| deleted user 14.12.2004 08:04 |
Nothing wrong with that ... but even if its only for nostalgia I have to see the band with Freddie (and John) to really enjoy it ... what do I care about Paul Rodgers And its interesting that all of you never have a proper argument why they changed their mind after all these years, why Roger and Brian aren't just playing under their own name (I didn't know him but they have ... THEY should have a little respect for him) |
| Krizzy 14.12.2004 08:12 |
I whole-heartily agree Fenderek! Queen like many other legendary bands have every right to continue with a NEW LINE UP! Just like THE WHO, THE DOORS, even THE DEAD W/O Jerry Garcia and so many others. Thanks to Brian May and Roger Taylor for being brave enough to put themselves out there without Freddie and John. It may be hard for many fans to accept Paul Rogers but he is a lengendary singer with lots of appeal here in the US and around the world (BTW...Bad Company's last tour was pretty successful). Good choice, chaps! Both Brian May and Roger Taylor shouldn't fear using the Queen name for a tour, I still believe it is their "golden goose" as Brian once stated that "they created" as Queen and I'm sure that FM would have approved, because as Freddie even said in many interviews, (sic)"Queen needs to evolve to fit what happens in music now" I give them my full support in using Queen as their name and I look forward to wonderful things from them. As a long-time fan I am very proud and honored by their choice to go out on tour, which is never an easy thing for any band to plan, its a heck of a lot of work. But if anything holds true they are real troopers and if anyone can rock out they sure can...ROCK ON!!! Love, Kriz ;o) |
| deleted user 14.12.2004 08:14 |
Regor ... I think you can't compare it with the Pink Floyd-case. Floyd was always seen as a group (even if Roger Waters was the most creative member) ... but Queen was mostly seen in the public as being identical with Freddie Mercury - take Freddie and John away from Queen and you have Smile again, its really like that. Pink Floyd have at least shown that Roger Waters is partly replaceable ("A Momentary Laps of Reason", "Division Bell"), but Freddie may be one of the very few rock artists that can't be replaced in a group (the other being Mick Jagger). |
| deleted user 14.12.2004 08:19 |
"Both Brian May and Roger Taylor shouldn't fear using the Queen name for a tour, I still believe it is their "golden goose" as Brian once stated that "they created" as Queen and I'm sure that FM would have approved, because as Freddie even said in many interviews, (sic)"Queen needs to evolve to fit what happens in music now" .... WHAT a simply idiotic statement. Freddie said that when he was alive and well in 85/86. He ment that Queen as a group with FREDDIE, ROGER, BRIAN and JOHN should evolve and adapt to musical trends. Show at least some intelligence and bring forth some good arguments ... not just "They have the right", they are brave (by the way they founded Queen together with Freddie, it wasn't just Brian and Roger). |
| Fenderek 14.12.2004 08:20 |
<b><font color="red">Peter Cetera</b> wrote: What are you all complaining about .... the "other" Queen fans have their fucking right to say they don't like it - we might say that you go too far defending everything Brian and Roger do.You must be new here to say that... ;))) And you completely missed my point- I didn't say that ppl ahve no right to criticise. I said quite opposite. It's about going bananas about the fact and loosing any sense of reality. You do not own the band, period. You may like it and be happy or not- and say so. But I also have right to say - get a life and get on with reality because you're not going to change it with whinning... <b><font color="red">Peter Cetera</b> wrote: You are always talking about THEY gave us the joy, the music, we should not complain therefore .... BUT you seem to forget that THEY are not just Roger and Brian, BUT also FREDDIE and JOHN.No- I'm not forgetting that. You're however forgetting that one is dead and the other retired... The other two decided to continue. Why people get SO upset- no one is stealing anything from them; that's something I can't understand... <b><font color="red">Peter Cetera</b> wrote: Speaking of myself, Freddie Mercury was mostly the reason I began to listen to Queen, I became a Queen fan when HE died, he wrote most of the Queen-songs i prefer (although my greatest song of Queen besides BoRap is Radio Ga Ga by Taylor), it was his stage show, his voice, his outrageous performances in the videos that I admire most, he even created the fucking Queen crest, besides that I prefer John as a songwriter over Roger. So I owe Freddie much more than Brian and Roger. For me Queen could only exist as long as the four were together (even if Freddie was the most important member), because especially Brian May together with Freddie created the classic Queen sound. - So its easy to see why Queen ended in 1991. John seems to accept it - so why can't you?Brian and Roger DIDN'T accept that- why can't you get to terms with that???? And I agree with you on many levels- I'm a vocalist, he "was" my teacher, because of him I'm a singer now. Among my fav Queen tracks are "Death On Two Legs" and "Flick Of The Wrist"- who wrote them...? But HE'S DEAD! I probably also owe Freddie more than Brian and Roger. But yeah- I owe them a lot AS WELL! I love Rog's compossitions, I'm huge fan of Brian's guitar playing. I love their music, their concerts, their albums. And it's THEIR decission if the band is dead or not- not yours nor mine... It was John decission to retire- I accept that! And it's Roger's and Brian's to go on- why can't you accept that???? And they do have John's blessings... It's not you to say- Queen died in 1991... It's Freddie's, John's, Brian's and Roger's... One of them dead- can't say anything. Second- retired, doesn't care, send a letter to Taylor and May and gave them THE RIGHT TO USE QUEEN NAME in whatever way they want. So it's up to them, isn't it? Why can't you accept that! It's THEIR band, not yours. You're fan, you don't tell the band what and how to do... you may like it, you may not, you may say what you think- but go back to earth... <b><font color="red">Peter Cetera</b> wrote: If they have a bit of respect for Freddie and John their tour under another name.And who are you to say that IF THEY HAVE THE RESPECT they will do WHAT I WANT THEM TO DO? I hope I made my point clear... <b><font color="red">Peter Cetera</b> wrote: I will listen to songs if Brian and Roger play them under their own name, but I won't buy a Freddie-replacement like Paul Rodgers. I hope I have made the point clear.[/QUOT |
| deleted user 14.12.2004 08:36 |
I´m not whining and I listen to a lot of other music apart from Queen ... I'm not getting excited all the time because of the rubbish the EX-members Brian and Roger are talking about. I listen to Queen albums sometimes ... but apart from that I give a shit what "50%Queen" is doing today ... Queen is gone since 1991 (YOU are all whining about it and want it back... but its not possible) And, Fenderek, you have good arguments, but you never talk about the strange attitude of Roger and Brian towards Freddie's death. Because when he died they DID ACCEPT it.... and now since their solo careers go not exactly as they want it they come back. And what John is REALLY thinking about all that we can only guess. |
| deleted user 14.12.2004 08:36 |
<b><font color="red">Peter Cetera</b> wrote: Show at least some intelligence and bring forth some good arguments ... not just "They have the right", they are brave (by the way they founded Queen together with Freddie, it wasn't just Brian and Roger).Well, isn't it fully sufficient to say "they have the right" ? Isn't that what counts ? What is there more to say ? Why do we always have to hypocritically inject ethical measures into things that aren't really any of our business ? No offence intended to you personally though, Mr. Cetera. Still, I wonder how you manage to - on the one hand - incessantly point out the nastiness of BriRog's plans whilst, as you say, not giving a shite about the remains of "Queen" on the other... |
| Lara 14.12.2004 08:40 |
Powrzeszczales sobie ? :) You're f.. damn right,Fenderek,I mean it. BUT ... if it's all about music,as you said, and nothing more that counts,than what are you doing here,Fend? By this time you've made 1802 posts instead of sitting and listenning to your fave Q records! :)Why do you care whether people slam or worship saint Brian e.g.? ... How can I miss..,how can I feel...HOW THE HELL CAN I KNOW THAT? To be honest I don't give a f...how can I anything-I just go for it.Being reasonable is boring,you know.Maybe I've got 10-year-old girl brain...Take care. |
| Fenderek 14.12.2004 08:46 |
<b><font color="red">Peter Cetera</b> wrote: And, Fenderek, you have good arguments, but you never talk about the strange attitude of Roger and Brian towards Freddie's death. Because when he died they DID ACCEPT it.... and now since their solo careers go not exactly as they want it they come back. And what John is REALLY thinking about all that we can only guess.Exactly- let's leave John than aside. Tht's where he wants to be... B. and R. attitude towards Freddie'sdeath seems to me the most natural and healthy there can be! He died- they were shocked, sad, didn't want to do anything with Queen because it was too fresh. They were supposed to do made in Heaven tapes but left them for 3 years- it would be too emotional to do taht earlier. But it's been 13 years. He's dead- and their lives continue; back than they may have said many things because they felt like that- AT THAT TIME. They were depressed, they just lost a friend. But when someone you lov edies after years you go into liberation! Your life continues and so the bad memories disappear, the pain disappears and what's left are the good memories and a feeling of luck- that those good days happened and that they were priviliged to share those 20 years with Freddie. That's healthy- IMO... There is a great movie about it I just watched (n-th time...), Three Colours: Blue with juliet Binoche, by Polish director Kieslowski... A bit on a subject... Some fans are mourning even now, even though he was never thier friend, they never knew him- only his music. B. and R. have their lives and live them. Some fans should get theirs as well :) (and I'm not talking about you! no misunderstandings!!!) Hope this explains my view on their attitude towards Freddie and his death... |
| deleted user 14.12.2004 08:49 |
ALL FOUR HAVE SAID OVER THE TIMES: Queen is a group of four, it wouldn't be Queen without one of us, etc...(I didn't say that, your idols Brian and Roger said it in the 70s, 80s and 90s)... so how can Queen only be Brian and Roger, its simply not acceptable. Brian and Roger can make music until the end of days and it will never be Queen music again... why don't they just say: we are Brian and Roger together with Paul Rodgers and we will play a musical tribute to Queen .... but instead they pretend they ARE Queen.. its so silly and it could be so easy instead. Philipp ... They have the right legally, but as we all know there are things in life that can't be controlled just by legal issues ... have they a certificate from Freddies deathbed that says: Queen can be Roger Taylor and Brian May ... I doubt it seriously they even discussed this topic when Freddie was alive. |
| Fenderek 14.12.2004 08:59 |
Lara wrote: Powrzeszczales sobie ? :)Yeah- feels graet! Lara wrote: By this time you've made 1802 posts instead of sitting and listenning to your fave Q records! :)I amde those post in 2 and a half years. That's about 2 posts a day... Not much, don't you think...? And I would rather ercord my OWN music than just listen to one recorded already by others... No matter how good. Unfortunatelly0 I always write from work, during lunch time. And sometimes Queen CD is on anyway... :) Lara wrote: Why do you care whether people slam or worship saint Brian e.g.?I never said he's saint and I never said he's evil. Tht's my point. Who the f**k we think we are to JUDGE them and their motives...? Just becuse we think differently... Lara wrote: ... How can I miss..,how can I feel...HOW THE HELL CAN I KNOW THAT? To be honest I don't give a f...how can I anything-I just go for it.Being reasonable is boring,you know.Maybe I've got 10-year-old girl brain...Take care.I'm not reasonable myslelf- if I was I wouldn't be in London right now and wouldn't be a struggling musician just get on full time (rather than part time) with any carrier as a IT consultant or picture framing manager or whatever. But I want to say sth and I also don't know where it comes from. My point was (and is) that ppl get so terribly pretentious about Freddie and his death without ever knowing him and being in his presence, saying that Brian this or Roger that... Those guys knew him FOR REAL. They can REALLY miss him. They lived those 20 years together on tour and in studio. They know the best HOW to respect that. We can feel our own way- and that's what you and I do. And it's fine. But saying they don't respect that... How the hell do we know what they feel and what Freddie would want...? ps i'm sure Freddie wouldn't want ppl to mourn after him- he woul want them to have a great party and live their lives just as he lived his- to full. Tht's what I believe, anyway... |
| Lester Burnham 14.12.2004 09:10 |
I think it's time to accept that people will always have differing opinions over this - on one hand, you have the naive yet very optimistic fans who are willing to see Brian and Roger enjoy their new-found enjoyment of playing with Paul Rodgers, and on the other you have fans who will stick to the (not entirely misconceived, but somewhat narrow-minded) notion that Queen does not exist anymore, and both of them will feel the need to convince everyone otherwise. I've said all I've said on the matter, so it's just a waste of finger strength to really type everything out again. There are going to be posts like this for the next four months, and I imagine Peter will be at the forefront, leading the rally against Queen Mark 2. But I can let you in on a little secret: Brian May, Roger Taylor, and especially Paul Rodgers don't give a monkey's ass what anybody thinks - all they care about is what they think, or want to do. A similar situation came with The Who in 2002, when John Entwistle died. Now he may not be the lead singer, but he was an extremely integral part of the band, and - I know someone will disagree with me on this - about as important as Daltrey. When he died, Townshend had to make a lightning quick decision: cancel the tour we've rehearsed for months, and disappoint those millions of fans, or carry on? He chose to carry on. Some people were disgusted by the fact that Entwistle's body didn't even get the chance to cool down yet and Townshend was already moving on, but they were (surprisingly) in the minority: most fans showed the most undying support for Daltrey and Townshend, and I still remember all the fans at the show I went to giving Pino Palladino a rousing round of applause, unprovoked, at the mention of his name and during the 'My Generation' bass solo. The point I'm trying to convey is that rock stars die all the time, and every fan will always think their dead rock star is better than somebody else's rock star. In this case, Peter Cetera (I still find that ironic) thinks that Paul Rodgers is shit, and hey, he's entitled to his opinion, even if I don't agree with it. But like it or not, moral obligations aside, this is what Queen has become in 2005. Brian and Roger are not showing any disrespect to Freddie, nor are they not leaving Deacon out of the picture, either. I'm sure an invitation was extended to Deacon and he just turned it down while giving the go-ahead for the tour. Call Queen Mark 2 what you want, but Queen, as they exist at this very moment, is now Brian May and Roger Taylor. I would think people would have gotten that with the musical in existence and the loads of remakes with other artists. But if I really have to listen to four more months of bitching, I have this to say: go outside and enjoy reality. It's only fucking rock 'n' roll, but *I* like it. |
| deleted user 14.12.2004 09:15 |
<b><font color="red">Peter Cetera</b> wrote: Philipp ... They have the right legally, but as we all know there are things in life that can't be controlled just by legal issues ... have they a certificate from Freddies deathbed that says: Queen can be Roger Taylor and Brian May ... I doubt it seriously they even discussed this topic when Freddie was alive.I don't think they need such a certificate. I'd rather worry if there was a document saying "Bri/Rog can not be...". Instead Freddie allegedly said before his death that they shouldn't disband because of him if they wanted to continue. Most importantly, however: Where do you take all those really strong moral implications from ? It's pure semantics. Just a band. Only a new phase in the life of two musicians who want to go out and play. Finally, an issue that you basically know nothing about. Who are we to judge them ? What do we know about Freddie's wishes or any of their motivations except for a few interview-quotations ? We, the public, are only able to perceive a very vague image of what was and is the reality of those four personalities and their interrelations within the band. We sometimes act as if we'd know these people well enough to judge the things they say and do, but in reality, all our self-appointed "knowledge" of the non-musical/theatrical, human side of the band is more based on wishful thinking than anything else. Would you want to be judged on such a vague basis by people who don't know you ? Rather than that, we should try to avoid hypocrisy. |
| deleted user 14.12.2004 09:20 |
Fenderek wrote .... "i'm sure Freddie wouldn't want ppl to mourn after him- he woul want them to have a great party and live their lives just as he lived his- to full. Tht's what I believe, anyway..." I agree with that Fenderek, but that has little to do with the thing they do with the name "Queen" - its not about the mourning. its just that a rock group can only exist with its members. And when some of the members are gone they simply can't be this group anymore (they have said it often).... they are Brian and Roger, members of the group that was Queen.... but everything else is just a charade (they were Smile before Freddie joined) there is a nice sentence: "The truth, like the sunlight, shines right into your eyes. The lie is like a beautiful sundown that covers and enhances all things" (Albert Camus) |
| Rotwang 14.12.2004 09:29 |
I totally agree with Fenderek. It's like saying a divorced or widowed person has no right to get remarried. Some of you people are exactly the reason celebrities don't go out in public. The hypocricy of the matter is that if those of you who are totally against Roger and Brian putting the Queen name on their projects were given the opportunity to see their show, you would be there in a heartbeat. You are certainly entitled to your opinion either if you are for or against the future of Queen. But for God's sake, don't take it so personally. I'm glad Fenerek spoke up. |
| deleted user 14.12.2004 09:34 |
Concerning the Camus-quote: Somehow I very strongly doubt that the question whether two fifty-somethings can or cannot play under a particular name has very much to do with epistemology or metaphysics. Good on you for trying to raise the intellectual niveau of the board though. |
| Óli Gneisti Sóleyjarson 14.12.2004 09:37 |
Lester said it well, there is no point in arguing. For some ppl Queen will simply be F+J+R+B and not just R+B, they have the right to their opinion. But B+R are going to tour as Queen, those who don't like it can just have to face that fact. I for one would have like to see them tour under some some other name (UnQueened?) but in the end it's up to B+R. Now ppl just have to decide if they want to see Queen2005 or not. It is pretty annoying when ppl are discussing the Queen2005 and somebody says "but you are forgetting that Queen was F+R+J+B and not B+R", nobody is forgetting about what Queen was. Everybody is aware the this is not Queen "of the golden age", you don't have to mention it all the time. Your point has been made (again and again and again). A couple of years ago there were about 4-6 bands touring called The Platters, considering this I think that 50% of the original band is pretty good. |
| Lester Burnham 14.12.2004 09:39 |
Imagine if The Rolling Stones stopped in 1969 when Brian Jones, the original founding member of the band, died. |
| gabriel79 14.12.2004 09:43 |
brian jone was not the singer. ok,now you'll put ac/dc but it was the very beginning of the band. replace a singer like freddie with a very unique style and a voice that marks songs so strongly is impossible. or they rearange the songs or it will be a flop |
| deleted user 14.12.2004 09:44 |
Come on ... Rotwang ... I've never begged Brian and Roger for an autogramm. I listen to their music and may have went to a concert in the 70s and 80s ... but I don't care about their life or if they met them personally (I also didn't read the shit book by Jim Hutton).... I THINK that celebrities are far more afraid of fans who love them so much that they want to be part of their life or reporters who wan't to have pictures from them at the swimming-pool. I have stated that thousand times: A rock group exists in one moment in time when all its members are together (Roger and Brian said this in the 70s and 80s too) - so when members are gone its something new (but Queen was freddie, brian, roger and john) - so the "new thing" can have a new name but it cannot be "Queen" for gods sake. It would have been different if Queen had existed before Freddie and John had joined. But it was founded by Freddie, Roger and Brian - and John joined before they recorded their first music - so since Freddie died its gone. You can write a cheap crime novel and print "Alfred Hitchcock" on it - but the content won't be the same. I think Brian and Roger know this very well, but their egos are more important to them than any< considerations |
| deleted user 14.12.2004 09:52 |
Of course it cannot be the same. No-one would disagree with you. To axiomatically deduce from said fact that they can't keep the name is another thing. It's an assessment based on pure emotion. |
| Libor2 14.12.2004 10:14 |
I'm with Fenderek here. It's their right to do, what they think it's the best. And I don't catch Peter, why do you think, there couldn't be personal change in a band. What about Yes, Uriah Heep, Deep Purple, Genesis, Black Sabbath etc. etc. All of them went through personal changes (Yes are very good example of this) and despite of this fact, they did usually good music. Well, it's on everyone's opinion which line-up consider to be the best, but IMO it's no need to be so upset with it. And, if I'd say true, if Brian, Roger and Paul will make good music, I don't give a f**k about what the name of the band will be. |
| Serry... 14.12.2004 10:15 |
I agree, but on other hand - what the hell a lot of Queen fans adviced them what songs to put on GHIII, what gigs you'd like to see on DVDs etc. then? What a hell Queen fans blames the musical and tells about 'Queen Anthology would be much better instead of musicals'? Maybe we should give them right to do what they wanna do in ALL ways, no just for the ways WE choosed? |
| gabriel79 14.12.2004 10:25 |
Maybe we should give them right to do what they wanna do in ALL ways, no just for the ways WE choosed? we pay,we make em rich....WE DECIDE |
| Fenderek 14.12.2004 10:33 |
gabriel79 wrote: Maybe we should give them right to do what they wanna do in ALL ways, no just for the ways WE choosed? we pay,we make em rich....WE DECIDEThis is joke, right...? |
| Krizzy 14.12.2004 10:36 |
Peter Cetera U are an ass! Grow the f*ck up! |
| Whisperer 14.12.2004 10:42 |
Fenderek wrote: Reading all those discussions... Everywhere everyone says about the name, about remembering Freddie... about us against the idea or pro... Saying that Queen died in 1991 or not, threatening almost to burn entire collections ( :) ) But- do we own this band...? as fans- it seems like many ppl lost any sense of reality- yes, we buy records and tickets and whatever, but... we do not own the band, do we? We may say- I don't like it and not be part of it, but sometimes it goes too far, doesn't it? It's almost as if Queen legacy was OUR property and Roger and Brian are absolutely obliged to do with it what WE (as owners) want... Isn't it a bit weird...? Isn't it THEIR band, THEIR music...? Isn't it THEIR decission to either disband or go on tour...? We liked it in 70s and 80s- no one forced us... They were doing THEIR thing and we just liked it, loved it.... Suddenly, when their changed their mind (doing sth under Queen banner after Fred's death)- we're acting as if someone was stealing sth from us... It's not THEM who owe us something- WE owe them the right t odo whatever the hell they want- THEIR music changed our lives, THEY were touring for so many years giving us hours of fun, THEY recorded some great albums giving us some memories... And THEY owe us something...? Just a thought...We don't own them, but they owe us. Try to remember thanks to whom they have their millions. |
| Bob The Shrek 14.12.2004 10:47 |
You could always write to Brian on his soapbox and ask him to cancel this tour because you are not happy with the use of the name Queen - you plank. I can't believe the amount of topics that have been started,, most of which are pure conjecture. People are getting fucked up without any tour dates announced, no setlist, no complete band line up - it is complete fucking bollocks. Has it ever crossed people's minds that a European mainland tour may just be to sound out how they are received? Why not have the courtesy to wait until details are released until you start slagging them off because Freddie can't be replaced. I, for one, will attend, just to listen to Brian play - the voice of the band may be gone but the sound of that guitar is not! |
| deleted user 14.12.2004 11:32 |
"we pay, we make them rich...WE DECIDE" Oh really ? That's logic ? Then I bloody wonder why Nestle still haven't reserved a seat at their executive meetings for me, after the countless bars of white chocolate I've bought from them. Buggers... They owe me after all, right ? That's really interesting, because I always thought that the special thing about a "trade" is, that it goes both ways and thus doesn't leave debts and obligations. Guess I was wrong. I never realized that I was making an offering rather than a trade when I bought a piece of Queen merchandise. |
| Lester Burnham 14.12.2004 11:38 |
gabriel79 wrote: Maybe we should give them right to do what they wanna do in ALL ways, no just for the ways WE choosed? we pay,we make em rich....WE DECIDEThat's probably the stupidest logic I've ever heard. We're not their employer, and we certainly have no say in what they do, not that we should anyway. |
| Fenderek 14.12.2004 11:45 |
Whisperer wrote: We don't own them, but they owe us. Try to remember thanks to whom they have their millions.Disagree... They made those money themselves- no one forced us to buy those tickets / records etc... They played their music- we liked it and bought it. Not for them, so they'll get richer, but because WE LIKED IT, we bought it for OURSELVES. That evens things, don't you think...? We owe them something, though. I for once became musician, influenced by their music,. And have some great memories because of their music... |
| John S Stuart 14.12.2004 11:54 |
Old Scots proverb... "He who pays the piper calls the tune". |
| Ozz 14.12.2004 11:57 |
Im agree with you fenderek i ask how any of you feel if someone came to tell you how to do your job... job who is your 30 year effort, YOUR life... with all the rewards and costs..... They have the right to do anything they want... they were partnerts with freddie and john.. not us... All of us had right to give our thoughts.. but thats what it is.. just a fan thought... and sometimes they heard us but this time we are getting too far i think deciding what they can or cant Thats it |
| Fenderek 14.12.2004 12:12 |
John S Stuart wrote: Old Scots proverb... "He who pays the piper calls the tune".No John- this could work if we hire the band / artist- we pay / we want In case of pop / rock act- they're doing something it's THEIRS, the music they maybe enjoy or hope will sell- we are joining them in this, because we like it. We do not tell the band- next record has to be like that and that. They record album, doing whatever they want and than we like it and go to see the promouting gig or not. we're not ordering- I can't understand where is this idea of them being for us from... They do not belong to us. Queen doesn't belong to us. Variation of it, our own vision- yes. But QUEEN as a band belongs only to those who are / were members. Simple. Just like any other band... And we paid our money, because we liked what they did. We got great records, memories and soundtracks to our lives- they got the money and fame. It's already even... |
| Want To Live Forever 14.12.2004 13:59 |
Lara wrote: To nie tak.Mam gdzies polityczna poprawnosc.Nienawidze kiedy nie wolno mi mowic tego co czuje,bo cos tam.Prezydenta np. tez nie masz na wlasnosc,ale to nie znaczy,ze nie mozesz na niego powrzucac,jesli uwazasz,ze to swinia.Tak,tak,wiem-odpowiesz,ze tamten jest w sluzbie publicznej,a nasi panowie od 30 juz lat robia nam dobrze.Niemniej,wsciekam sie, kiedy ludzie odmawiaja mi prawa do wypowiedzenia na glos swojego zdania.Przeciez jestesmy myslacymi ludzmi i w domysle kazdy zaczyna swoja wypowiedz "za" czy "przeciw" od "moim zdaniem". Chyba nic w tym zlego...What???? |
| meemoe 14.12.2004 17:16 |
This is how I see it; if Brian and Roger start a new tour and still call it "Queen", if you're one of those people who think <i>Queen aren't Queen without Freddie and John</i>, then don't think of them as Queen, just because John and Freddie are gone, doesn't mean you shouldn't see them. Sure, you won't get the performance with Freddie and John, but still, Brian's one of the top guitarists and Roger's a pretty good drummer, you know their talents. Freddie would probably be insulted by that, his band's living on and people are refusing to go to it because he's not in it? I guess what I'm trying to say is just because Freddie's gone, doesn't mean that Roger and Brian suck now, you can still mourn Freddie but start thinking about <b>their</b> talents. |
| karen 14.12.2004 19:35 |
Wow, there is a LOT of passion out there!! You are spot on Fenderek - nobody forces us to buy Queen music, we do it (& keep doing it) because we enjoy it and get a lot of pleasure out of it. If we didn't Queen wouldn't have had the success they did. We only know Freddie through the music he made - no-one knows the man (as much as we like to think we do). Only Brian & Roger and a handful of others are in that position. A LOT of fans are hanging out for Queen to get together again to enjoy the music again, and go to their concerts, so STOP BITCHING ALL OF YOU!! |
| LadyMoonshineDown 14.12.2004 19:37 |
Well said Frederek (spell check?) Cheers |
| LadyMoonshineDown 14.12.2004 19:38 |
Woops... It is actually Fenderek. But nevertheless, you made an excellent point. Cheers again |
| Broooklyn 15.12.2004 03:50 |
Good ta see that everyone here is arguing just as much as we are over there. =) Bottom line is this is news, and very much worth discussing, and either loving or hating the idea. I personally believe it to be a bunch of bullshit, and in reading every response here, it seems as though it is just as split as one would imagine. No, we do not own the band, and they are free to do what they wish, but I do not have to be happy about it. Some are like "Yeah we are going to see "Queen". You are not going to see Queen. Yes, some ex-Queen members will be up on stage, playing some Queen songs for ya, but you are not seeing Queen. Some say "If you want the old Queen, then stay home and watch them on DVD"...that is totally not the point. There comes a time with every band when you have your time, and it is gone. It is just a fact of the business. It amazes me that some genuine Queen fans here will accept anything, just so they can get a whiff of what once was. So many saying "Of course it will not be as good without Freddie...but?" But what? This whole idea diminishes the brand known as Queen, and even though you feel that way, and won't admit it, you don't mind, because you may get a chance to sing Headlong. I simply think that the true Queen fans, the ones who truly appreciate the original four members and what they did together, are the ones who are not happy with this idea. Its amazing that some are willing to accept someone else playing bass, and are asking who do you think it will be...as if it does not even matter. So if Another one Bites the Dust, or Under Pressure come on, its ok for someone wearing sunglasses with a bass to play this, because hey...this is Queen...this is our band. So what if it isn't John, so what if it isn't Freddie...this is still Queen. Fuck yeah its Queen, and it is even more like Queen when after I want It All, they play Rock and Roll Fantasy. How'z about going from that right into Somebody to Love, and then just to make a smooth Queen like segue, they move into Feel like Making Love? Fantastic...so Queen! I posed this question on QOL 3 times, and not once did anyone answer it, so maybe someone will here. I asked..."If Roger Taylor decided to pull back from this whole idea, and Brian still wanted to forge ahead, would it still be Queen to you guys if it was Just Brian on stage with a new drummer, bassist and lead singer?" |
| Fenderek 15.12.2004 04:10 |
the true fans are the ones who...
Oh please...
But as an answer, that's what mjordy wrote in other thread:
mrjordy wrote: LONG, INTROSPECTIVE POST, BUT WORTH READING Ok, boys and girls. I think - I know that the majority of us will never see anyone other than Freddie Mercury as the lead singer of Queen, simply because that is the fact of the matter. Freddie was and is the lead singer of Queen. Unfortunately, Freddie's life was cut way too short and we were left with Brian, Roger and John to carry on the Queen flag. John decided not to. A few years go by, Queen in its present day is Roger and Brian, who happen to have a hit musical out. Roger and Brian go to the openings of WWRY, see their songs being cheered on by packed houses and start to miss playing those songs themselves. Hall Of Fame comes up. Someone has to sing. Paul Rodgers doesn't fill Freddie's shoes or replace Freddie, he just stands in for the lead singer who couldn't make it. It worked out. Paul wasn't terrible. He sang quite nicely, I think. Paul's no Freddie. Paul never will be, nor will anyone else. I think maybe the closest we get to Freddie is in ourselves - when we're watching Queen: Live At Wembly 86, perhaps, and catch ourselves prancing around our bedroom with a broom handle, singing the absolute hell out of some Queen songs - perhaps just like Freddie. Maybe Paul Rodgers feels the same way. When the tour begins and Paul proves that he's either worthy of "filling in" for Freddie or not, let us judge then. This has been said by others, of course, in other words. I am a 24 year old guy who never had the chance to see Queen live until September of this year - with no Freddie. I think and have always thought that Freddie made Queen. Freddie was and is Queen. On the night of the Las Vegas premiere, I attended the after-party concert. It was strange, sitting there listening to those songs, hearing others sing Freddie's words. Let me assure you - hearing Brian and Roger play together almost drowned out that strange feeling. Freddie's in that music. You can't help but hear him. He's everywhere when you hear the boys play live in this day. To those of you who can, go see Queen + Paul Rodgers or whatever the hell you want to call the lineup. Don't just imagine Freddie being there, enjoy the music. Enjoy it for what it is now. For those of us who were too young to see Queen live when Freddie was alive, here is our chance. We are missing out on seeing, of course, the biggest rock legend that ever was - but we have the chance to see his backup band. We have the chance to see the people who put together some of the songs Freddie sang - the people who played those songs. Don't shit on Paul before giving him a go. To those of you who won't have the chance to go or are contemplating, check out my story and pictures of the September Queen show at link If you've read all of this, thanks. |
| Broooklyn 15.12.2004 04:36 |
I do not take anything away from mjordy's post. It is very well written, and just as much a valid statement, as the one's who feel otherwise. Like I said on QOL, all I ask if for people to admit that it is not Queen up on stage, and everything else people have to say about this concert, will be absolutely right. Queen songs are being played, but it is not Queen. Yeah this has been said by others, but I feel the same way. It is a quasi-Queen tribute band. |
| Fenderek 15.12.2004 06:05 |
OK Brooklyn- i'll agree with you- quasi tribute band, with two original members. Whatever, I'd add. that's their band and if they want to be just that- fine by me, I'm going to have a good time at gigs- that's all that matters. BUT- some people react as if it was tragedy, as if someone betreyed them or took something important from them How ridiculous...!!!. That's pretty much what this thread is about- no one is stealing anything from anyone... |
| Hank H. 15.12.2004 06:30 |
John S Stuart wrote: Old Scots proverb... "He who pays the piper calls the tune".It seems there are so many different people willing to pay the piper here that finally the decision is upon the band again, because for everything they do they will find someone to pay them for and whose wishes they fulfil. I hope you are not serious, John, because YES you are right, but not the way you think you are - it's not that easy with ten million people all trying to call different tunes in this case. |
| deleted user 15.12.2004 06:53 |
To Krizzy... As I told Lester Burnham and HeM before: DON'T GET PERSONAL. YOU are showing your immaturity by replying in this way - so maybe you should grow up a bit (I can understand that HeM first replied like that because he is still a teenager - but since you are a fan since 1975 - well, you should be a little mature then) Everybody has his or her own opinion and is entitled to say so (I've never said "Roger and Brian are a disgrace, etc...." - I'm only complaining about the fact that they want to be Queen without Freddie - its just my opinion - so respect it) |
| Krizzy 15.12.2004 09:05 |
PC -- YOU INSULTed ME AND I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO GET PERSONAL! GROW UP! I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DEFEND MY OPINION WHICH YOU INSULTED!!! NOW IM GOING TO IGNORE YOU WHICH IS WHAT YOU DESERVE! |
| deleted user 15.12.2004 09:19 |
haha ... you are SO Childish I just said its an idiotic Statement (to take the things Freddie said out of context) ... but I certainly did not insult you personnally! Big difference!!! I don't give a fuck if you ignore me or not ... but there are a lot of people who like to discuss the subject (even if they don't share my opinion!!) By the way... you look a bit like Alannah Myles on the photo, are you a fan of her (thats not an insult, because I actually like her song "Black Velvet") PS: I´ve already grown up, i'm 27 |
| YourValentine 15.12.2004 09:19 |
"He who pays the piper calls the tune" True - it means that people will buy tickets if they feel they get something worth hearing and seeing. Six months from now we will know if the tour was good and if it was a success. Until then, it's a matter of trust. I am definitely willing to risk a couple of euros and see what Brian and Roger have to offer. If it's pathetic, clinging to the past, bad performance or whatever I will be the first to say that. If it's good, exciting and a good show- all the better and in that case I do not want to miss it. |
| deleted user 15.12.2004 09:32 |
To Fenderek & Company... From CNN: LONDON, England (AP) -- The 1970s and '80s rock band Queen is planning a tour next year with guitarist and vocalist Paul Rodgers replacing legendary frontman Freddie Mercury, who died of AIDS in 1991. Its already happening ... a replacement. I know that you know he is not going to replace Freddie, but the public doesn't. The kiddies are already saying ...:"hm ... good song this we will rock you or WATC .. is it some kind of folk song?" ... what the hell, they even don't know who sang it - and now when Roger and Brian are touring they will say: so these two guys wrote all the songs and are Queen. Freddie Mercury is already a forgotten legend (thanks partly to Brian and Rogers awful collaborations from 2000 onwards). Its becoming more and more ridiculous.... |
| deleted user 15.12.2004 09:45 |
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| Spud 15.12.2004 10:20 |
<b><font color="red">Peter Cetera</b> wrote: To Fenderek & Company... From CNN: LONDON, England (AP) -- The 1970s and '80s rock band Queen is planning a tour next year with guitarist and vocalist Paul Rodgers replacing legendary frontman Freddie Mercury, who died of AIDS in 1991. Its already happening ... a replacement. I know that you know he is not going to replace Freddie, but the public doesn't. The kiddies are already saying ...:"hm ... good song this we will rock you or WATC .. is it some kind of folk song?" ... what the hell, they even don't know who sang it - and now when Roger and Brian are touring they will say: so these two guys wrote all the songs and are Queen. Freddie Mercury is already a forgotten legend (thanks partly to Brian and Rogers awful collaborations from 2000 onwards). Its becoming more and more ridiculous....Dear God, you're getting hysterical!! Really getting so excited when none of us knows what exactly they are going to do. Calm down dear, it's only a zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| deleted user 15.12.2004 10:57 |
Fenderek wrote: Reading all those discussions... Everywhere everyone says about the name, about remembering Freddie... about us against the idea or pro... Saying that Queen died in 1991 or not, threatening almost to burn entire collections ( :) ) But- do we own this band...? as fans- it seems like many ppl lost any sense of reality- yes, we buy records and tickets and whatever, but... we do not own the band, do we? We may say- I don't like it and not be part of it, but sometimes it goes too far, doesn't it? It's almost as if Queen legacy was OUR property and Roger and Brian are absolutely obliged to do with it what WE (as owners) want... Isn't it a bit weird...? Isn't it THEIR band, THEIR music...? Isn't it THEIR decission to either disband or go on tour...? We liked it in 70s and 80s- no one forced us... They were doing THEIR thing and we just liked it, loved it.... Suddenly, when their changed their mind (doing sth under Queen banner after Fred's death)- we're acting as if someone was stealing sth from us... It's not THEM who owe us something- WE owe them the right t odo whatever the hell they want- THEIR music changed our lives, THEY were touring for so many years giving us hours of fun, THEY recorded some great albums giving us some memories... And THEY owe us something...? Just a thought...I do SO agree with you!! I know that a part of the band died in '91 and Freddie was a genious... BUT Roger and Brian can go another tour if they want, we are just the fans who listen to their music. We should all be very greatful that they are going touring again... And if you don't like it.. the just shut up and don't go to any conserts :) |
| andymezza_uk 15.12.2004 19:58 |
I really can't see what all the fuss is about. I must admit that I am probably the most fortunate here because Bad Co and Queen are my favourite bands, but I can't help but feel that you are taking it a bit to seriously Peter. I can't believe how bitter you are towards Roger and Brian. As I see it this benefits both parties, they must be itching to get back on the road as part of a group and for us as fans, we get to see the remaining active members of Queen rock, perhaps for one last time. Just to be given this chance should really have everyone chomping at the bit. I can sort of see what people mean by them still calling themselves Queen but lets be honest its the brand name and its theirs! I loved Freddie as much as the next person but life carries on and respect has been paid. Just a quick point aswell Mr Cetera I couldn't help but notice that you mentioned going to their concerts in the 70s and 80s but then in a further post you said you were 27, well I'm no Carol Vorderman but the 70s??? Even the last concerts in '86 should really have been a little early for you. Roll on Spring 2005 I hope all those that are slagging the whole project off are not going to be hypocrites. Yeah right, see you ALL there! |
| VGB 15.12.2004 21:01 |
I didn't read any of the posts...but I had to post this.... so...Queen got Pwn3d? yeah I know I'm an idiot....maybe it will lighten the mood a little |
| Awesome-O _4000 15.12.2004 23:44 |
This is so true. We DONT own Queen |
| mike hunt 16.12.2004 01:26 |
listen, all kidden aside, queen were a four pieace band, all great songwriters and muscians, but i can't fault peter for feeling the way he does, it's hard to picture queen without fred, fred came up with the queen crest, he's the one who named the band, and he's the one who put them on the map with their early hits. mabe the man thinks queen died with freddie, it's sad to say, but apart of me agrees with him, freddie was the ultimate, people on this site sometimes forget that queen were created by freddie, roger wanted to call the band "rich kids" or grand dance, queen was freddies baby, brian and roger obvoiusly had alot to do with queen's success (especially brian) but it's only natural to question, is it right to play as queen without freddie? people say "peter, your to serious" exuse me, but it is serious, how many people on this site are going to take queen to their graves (literally,) like putting every queen cd in your casket or having a queen song sung at your wedding or funeral, it sounds pretty serious to me, but again, every member of queen had their part to play, and life goes on, i feel brian and roger have mourned their loss, payed homage to their friend, i mean how many songs did these guys write about fred, lets see, only but you, the show must go on, old friends by roger and only the good die young, that's only at the top of my head, thirteen years of being in the rock wilderness they are ready to rock the world once again, oh yea, they are truly champions. |
| Queenrocks4579 16.12.2004 08:29 |
You bring up a good point but without us the fans they arnt going to have much success. |
| Regor 16.12.2004 12:32 |
1. Paul Rodgers is not going to be a new member of the band. Bri's statement about Jim Beach and Ben Elton being "members" was also taken too seriously, it's just the people they deal the "Queen-things" with, nowadays ! It's like saying "my best friend is like a brother to me", but he obviously isn't. A member of a band has to be a musician anyway... ;-) So get over it, there will never be a "new" member in Queen. 2. I'm not too keen on musicals (but I'll give it a chance). I certainly did not like the 5ive-thing. I am sceptical about Britney and Co. doing WWRY (but I've yet to hear it). So I'm far from being a Stepford-Fan who likes anything. It's all about personal tastes anyway. But when Bri and Rog gave autographs and talked to us fans waiting in the freezing cold outside the Musical Dome in cologne, I was as proud to be a Queen-Fan as on the day I bought my first album, it was just so great to see them ! They gave us so much, and they want to be on a stage again and ROCK ! Tell a musician never to go on a stage again, and his life is useless ! (Unless he decides that himself, see Johns decision... until now...) And asking Paul Rodgers is way better than INXS casting a new singer, don't you think ? So let's just give this project a chance ! I can't wait to see them on a stage for a full concert again ! 3. Ageing Rockstars - okay, they are in their 50s, but does that mean they are not supposed to play their instruments anymore ? They looked fresh and full of energy in "Wetten dass" ! 4. It's a great opportunity for younger fans who got into Queen after Freddies death. There was a guy in his very early 20's standing beside me in cologne, and he said that this was one of the proudest moments in his life - seeing and talking to Bri and Rog ! 5. AND MOST IMPORTANT: wait and see - in cologne Roger actually said to us that they ARE GOING TO ASK JOHN !!!!! (if I heard it right, but some others confirmed it) I was already wondering why none of the 20 other waiting fans in cologne had posted this before... Now that's something to think about, isn't it ? :-) |
| deleted user 16.12.2004 12:44 |
to andymezza_uk... I think you confused something ... I'm really 27 years old, but I never mentioned I had seen Queen. I think I said it like that: I would have went to a concert in the 70s and 80s... Actually my mother and step-father saw Queen in 1986 in Vienna, but they would not take me with them (I was only 9) |
| deleted user 16.12.2004 12:46 |
to andymezza_uk... I think you confused something ... I'm really 27 years old, but I never mentioned I had seen Queen. I think I said it like that: I would have went to a concert in the 70s and 80s... Actually my mother and step-father saw Queen in 1986 in Vienna, but they would not take me with them (I was only 9) |
| Deacon_Fan 16.12.2004 14:45 |
Well there are a few arguments that I will make. First of all, we as fans do not own Queen. In that sense I mean that we cannot tell them what music to produce or when they should tour etc. But its important to realize that without the fans, Queen would have nothing to do. They could go on making music, but if no-one buys it or listens to it, whats the point in making it. Its fair to say that fans have control over the success of Queen because without us they would have no-one to make music for. |
| bryans permed poodle 15069 16.12.2004 18:03 |
I Agree with Peter. Queen along with Freddie died in 1991. HE was Queen for F@ck sake! I hope the tour FLOPS. The Queen name should not be USED. Why don't they call themselves Taylor & May and Friends if they want to tour, bit like Page & Plant they don't go under the name Led Zeppelin cuz funnily enough it aint Led Zep. Quite simple really. Infact Brian and Roger I will do the maths for you. 4 Musicians - 2 Musicians = 2 ie a duo not a band, Get It. THE LEGEND OF QUEEN MUST NEVER DIE |
| Want To Live Forever 17.12.2004 00:31 |
What would Freddie say? |
| My Melancholy Blues 17.12.2004 00:46 |
If he will appear in my dream next time, I'll ask him "What do you think of that?" But millions of poeple around the world want to dream of him, he is always busy with visiting many people's dream, so I don't know when he'll come ;-) |
| mike hunt 17.12.2004 01:45 |
your real big spender, i love that tune, especially the way sings it at wembly. |
| The Real Wizard 17.12.2004 01:53 |
Awesome posts, Fenderek. You're the man! |
| Benja 17.12.2004 01:54 |
Fenderek is absolutely right! cool words! Cheers |
| mike hunt 17.12.2004 02:00 |
is their a law against complaining, if the man wants to complain he has every right. |
| My Melancholy Blues 17.12.2004 02:15 |
Anyway I don't like to hear them spoken ill of...considering what they have done for over thirty years. I think they have worked for many things that some people have not known. I'm one of the big fans of Freddie and to me Queen was almost Freddie as lots of fans feel. I have bought many DVDs only to see all of Freddie's performances. But I don't hope they will fail. I hope they will do to some degree. Though what I wrote seems to lack logic... |
| Fenderek 17.12.2004 04:48 |
Bryans Permed Poodle wrote: HE was Queen for F@ck sake! I hope the tour FLOPSNow you're talking bollocks... Bryans Permed Poodle wrote: THE LEGEND OF QUEEN MUST NEVER DIEAnd this tour may help... :S |
| English Bowman 17.12.2004 07:03 |
I'm sorry to all you "Freddie only" fans out there, but Freddie wasn't Queen. Listen to Mr Bad Guy or Barcellona for the proof of that. Neither was Queen, May, Taylor or Deacon. Queen WAS the four members working together. I don't think that any one of them would have made it as big without the other 3. I wish that Queen were still the original 4 members, but that isn't possible. This is the best we can get and I for one am glad that it's happening. If it's good (and I think it will be) it could be great. If it's bad, well people will say that it just prooves how good Freddie was. Either way it doesn't affect the great legacy that they have left us already. Freddie was a one off, and can never be replaced, we all accept that, including Brian and Roger, but to say that they can't use the name that they have used for over 30 years is ridiculous, and I am sure that Freddie would want them to continue, or he wouldn't have told Brian to release "Driven By You" or recorded the final tracks for "Made In Heaven." I am only guessing, but remember, the people most likely to know what Freddie wanted are Brian, Roger and John. We don't know what John is doing or his reasons for doing it. We do know that Brian and Roger want to tour, and they are getting my support until I KNOW that they don't deserve it anymore, and since no-one has seen the tour, or heard any new material, no-body KNOWS if it will be any good. It might even be better than Freddie. I doubt it, for me Freddie was the greatest front-man ever, but we haven't seen the new tour, so as I said no-one knows what it will be like.... Sorry for such a long post, but all the negative comments are irritating me. Comment on what we know, not what hasn't happened yet. Speculate, yes, but judge, no. Dan |
| Libor2 17.12.2004 07:11 |
Good said, English Bowman. Exactly my meaning. |
| Hankster 17.12.2004 07:38 |
you just stole my thoughts English Bowman :) very well said! Okay, I'm not very impressed by Pauls' WWRY and WATC at the MHoF .. But Allright Now was .. who! what a performance! If thát is what we can expect of this tour .. then it will be f*cking great :D It's just what Brian told; there was that magic .. so for me I wish them all the best with the our and the album! |
| mike hunt 17.12.2004 13:01 |
fred is my all time favorite, but you are right, it kills me when people disregard the other members, they all had a part to play, and yes fred was the best frontman ever, but brian is also one of the best guitarist ever, top 20 at the least. to the above comment, mabe mr. bad guy wasn't to successful and wasn't freds best work, but given a chance it's good a listen, and i don't want anyone ever putting down barcelona, it's one of my favorite albums ever, i understand it's a required taste, but it's so original, the mercury/cabelle story is almost as fasinating as the queen story. truly a gem, like i said fred is number 1 and brian is easly my second favorite muscian ever. |
| maxpower 17.12.2004 13:04 |
hmm i agree with the initial poster certain Queen fans are very arrogant & think they have a god damn given right to judge I think this tour is most positive thing brian & rog have decided in a long time, I would much more prefer to see a new album with Paul Rogers under whatever name they decide .. i think they'll use the Queen name it will sell tickets & records nothing wrong in that. This is a far better idea than re-releasing hit compliations & ripping people using horrendoues remxies of songs which has happended (queen hits 3 which included solo material how is that Queen?) The problem back in 91 & the tribute concert hammered it home in 92 is Freddie ultimatley is irreplaceable .. how many great singers struggled or had to lower the key.. george michael the only exception .. so how do you do it? ACDC were very lucky in finding the only person who could have replaced Bon Scott in Brian Johnson .. the albums have suffered since.. but as a live act still excellent Freddie was a one off as a vocalist, musician & showman.. but Brian & Roger are too talented just sit around & do nothing so good on em i say! What would Freddie think? (i hate these arguments whos band is it etc) he'd be up for it at the end of day Rog & Brian got together with Tim, then Freddie joined so why not a new version? |
| Little_Queenie 17.12.2004 13:37 |
Peter Cetera Pretending being Queen without Freddie, is like being the Stones without Mick Jagger - it doesn't work. They even said so ín the past ("Queen is over,..etc.")But you're missing the point!! They don't pretend it is Queen we all knew, they said many times NOONE will ever replace Freddie. I think that's exactly why people are complaining, cause they think of Paul as someone bad, trying to replace our beloved Freddie. That's not the case.. Bri and Rog just want to make some more music, they want to go tour, they are doing what any other musician (and that's what they are) would do. So if they think they found someone worth of trying, and worth of risk, I don't see why they wouldn't tour??? And concerning the name, does it really matter?? They ARE members of Queen for over 30 years, and if anyone has the right to call them Queen, it's them. If you don't like it, fine, who gives a damn... I'd be thrilled to see them live, and really don't think Freddie would feel bad about them calling themselves Queen. |
| Little_Queenie 17.12.2004 13:46 |
Bryans Permed Poodle wrote: HE was Queen for F@ck sake! I hope the tour FLOPS.Rotfl...... Oh please, don't be ridiculous!!!! He wasn't Queen, FOUR of them were. Just listen to some songs from Freddie's solo albums, and then compare the same songs performed by Queen. So much better. He wasn't Queen, not at all... |
| My Melancholy Blues 17.12.2004 19:54 |
English Bowman wrote: I'm sorry to all you "Freddie only" fans out there, but Freddie wasn't Queen. Listen to Mr Bad Guy or Barcellona for the proof of that. Neither was Queen, May, Taylor or Deacon. Queen WAS the four members working together. I don't think that any one of them would have made it as big without the other 3. I wish that Queen were still the original 4 members, but that isn't possible. This is the best we can get and I for one am glad that it's happening. If it's good (and I think it will be) it could be great. If it's bad, well people will say that it just prooves how good Freddie was. Either way it doesn't affect the great legacy that they have left us already. Freddie was a one off, and can never be replaced, we all accept that, including Brian and Roger, but to say that they can't use the name that they have used for over 30 years is ridiculous, and I am sure that Freddie would want them to continue, or he wouldn't have told Brian to release "Driven By You" or recorded the final tracks for "Made In Heaven." I am only guessing, but remember, the people most likely to know what Freddie wanted are Brian, Roger and John. We don't know what John is doing or his reasons for doing it. We do know that Brian and Roger want to tour, and they are getting my support until I KNOW that they don't deserve it anymore, and since no-one has seen the tour, or heard any new material, no-body KNOWS if it will be any good. It might even be better than Freddie. I doubt it, for me Freddie was the greatest front-man ever, but we haven't seen the new tour, so as I said no-one knows what it will be like.... Sorry for such a long post, but all the negative comments are irritating me. Comment on what we know, not what hasn't happened yet. Speculate, yes, but judge, no. DanI see well what you remarked. I know logically and realistically that even Freddie was one of the members of Queen and each was equal about Queen, too. Indeed he put pragmatical element into Smile, but without Brian, Roger, John, he might not have continued making such wonderful numbers, nor might have been such a rock star. I see well Queen's special magic made from "four" and each member could not be replaced. Working as a member of Queen each could make it much better than each of them did solo projects. Well, as I wrote above and in other thread, I don't hope they will fail at all. They are still alive and are musicians. They should do tours as possible as they can. I might be wrong the way I wrote. I wrote considering what Brian and Roger have done for over thirty years and they have worked so many things that some people have not known (which Freddie might not have done). I meant I appreciate their works for a long time. I should not have written my personal feeling and usualness( being emotional and very personal and sounds rather stupid) after those sentences. I caused rather annoying mood into many people's mind and this thread again. I think my post was the trigger that made you write that post. I reflect I was childish a little. About its content I was a newbie... Thank you for your comment and for making me realize remarking cooly and realistically again. |
| PhoenixRising 18.12.2004 02:59 |
"So Dear Friends, you're love is gone. Only tears to dwell upon... ...from all this gloom life can start anew And there'll be no crying soon." Anyone who does not support the Queen - Paul Rodgers tour is not a fan of our beloved BAND. Queen is much more than just Freddie. There are so many miserable people on this board, living in the past. What is wrong with you people? Rejoice! The phoenix rises! Jump on its wings and enjoy the ride! Freddie's gone. Nothing anyone can ever do will bring him back. His place in history is etched in stone. But for cripes sakes, it's time to let go! It's been thirteen years now people! Stop the mourning! If he's looking down on all of you and your self-imposed misery, what must he be thinking? "It's all chicken feed, baby!" |
| My Melancholy Blues 18.12.2004 03:12 |
SparxStartFlyin wrote: "So Dear Friends, you're love is gone. Only tears to dwell upon... ...from all this gloom life can start anew And there'll be no crying soon." Anyone who does not support the Queen - Paul Rodgers tour is not a fan of our beloved BAND. Queen is much more than just Freddie. There are so many miserable people on this board, living in the past. What is wrong with you people? Rejoice! The phoenix rises! Jump on its wings and enjoy the ride! Freddie's gone. Nothing anyone can ever do will bring him back. His place in history is etched in stone. But for cripes sakes, it's time to let go! It's been thirteen years now people! Stop the mourning! If he's looking down on all of you and your self-imposed misery, what must he be thinking? "It's all chicken feed, baby!"You're simply right. |
| My Melancholy Blues 18.12.2004 07:45 |
Let's listen to Queen more and more to get more cheerful, though it's strange and abrupt for me to say... I'll listen to them more than ever instead of talking dismal matters. Thanx |
| Fenderek 18.12.2004 15:08 |
ENGLISH BOWMAN- great post! My thoughts exactly! |
| deleted user 18.12.2004 15:17 |
SparxStartFlyin wrote: "Anyone who does not support the Queen - Paul Rodgers tour is not a fan of our beloved BAND." well, I think some supporters of the tour have lost any sense of reality. If I read some of the statements here, I can only but wonder - what will some of you say next - maybe that Queen is a better band since Freddie died or what??? |
| DoctorNine 16.01.2005 14:10 |
Lara wrote: YEAH! FENDEREK FOR PRESIDENT! The Mir@cle wrote: Go Fenderek Go... I'm your biggest fan!Hmm... I'm not so sure... Lara might win that place. |
| Lara 17.01.2005 04:21 |
why? |
| DoctorNine 17.01.2005 17:29 |
Because you voted for him to be president before Mir@cle did... |
| Fenderek 23.03.2005 07:08 |
I thought it's a nice moment to dig out that thread... Although it should be in TOUR section... |
| k-m 24.03.2005 15:37 |
No, we don't own them. But we own an image of Queen as a great band. And I don't think any fan feels comfortable when this image is being destroyed. |
| Adam Baboolal 24.03.2005 16:57 |
Destroyed? Wow... I could care less what they do. And that doesn't mean I don't like what they're up to at the moment. It simply means that the past does not die, for me, at least. I can still remember and will always hold that Queen, high. The latest can't compare and shouldn't be asked to because it's still Bri n Rog like it has been since 1999. Paul doesn't figure 'into' Queen because they've made it clear that he's just in the same place as all those other Queen+ collaborations. PR's just around to help out and then disappear at the end of the tour. If you don't like it, you don't like it. And that's why we have all spoken out about the cheap collabs over the years. It's certainly not soul destroying to me. I know what has come before and am strong in those feelings enough not to let it bother me. Just like that Yoda dude said(!), "Strong am I, with the force." True. I don't forget. We all know who, "Queen" are/were. And we also know Queen+ is not what we think of and neither do the mass public, when it comes to "Queen." Peace, Adam. |