Regor 01.12.2004 07:07 |
Sorry to eissek, as I've seen that he has posted quite a similar topic - but I don't mean "do you like it or not" - it's just about seeing it's chart success as what it is: a pure soundtrack record. I really do believe that they actually did not expect "Flash Gordon" to be their most selling album ever or anything like that. In fact, they often stated that it was recorded in the same way the old soundtracks were recorded, by playing while actually watching the movie. And that they consider it to be the first ever real rock-soundtrack. Other than AKOM (with all songs including vocals and different versions for the album) - and even for that Bri often said he would like to see a full and proper "Highlander"-soundtrack release combined with Michael Kamens' score in the future. The knew that it wasn't a record made of possible hit-singles, and that it was a bonus to actually HAVE a hit on it. It's an artistic statement to be seen as part of the movie IMHO. So I think that the sales figures of that album have to be considered quite massive instead of poor. As a pure soundtrack mainly consisting of instrumental pieces in the early 80s (nowadays OST's are pumped up with hits). Without things like "Saturday night live" in consideration. Did e.g. "L'ascenseur Pour Lechafaud" sell equal numbers ? What do you think ? |
The Fairy King 01.12.2004 08:24 |
Commercially it woz a flop, also in the artistic sence...it's nothing special. But it has a cult status now because of the movie and i think that's even better. |
M. 01.12.2004 09:05 |
In Austria 'Flash Gordon' reached #1. (as far as I know) |
deleted user 01.12.2004 11:36 |
The Fairy King wrote: Commercially it woz a flop, also in the artistic sence...it's nothing special. But it has a cult status now because of the movie and i think that's even better.Sorry, but I think you're wrong with both points. Aritistically, there's not less substance to it than to anything else they did. Also, it actually was very successful and far from being a commercial flop. In Germany both single and albums belonged to their most successful records to that date, reaching no.3 and no.2 respectively. Given that it's a big market, I'd say that's quite something. |
brian_may_wannabe 01.12.2004 11:38 |
I've seen it already - but that was seven years ago, so I can't remember the plot. |
The Fairy King 02.12.2004 06:55 |
Ooh come on, the 'album' is a joke! I don't see it as an Queenalbum and i can't see it as an Queenalbum! It's hiddious |
Oberon 02.12.2004 08:36 |
The Fairy King wrote: Ooh come on, the 'album' is a joke! I don't see it as an Queenalbum and i can't see it as an Queenalbum! It's hiddiousWhy is it a joke? It's a load of orginal recordings by a band. Not that different than all the other "studio" albums really. Just that the source of inspiration is different. Now, you might consider the quality of song writing to be inferior to other albums, but doesn't make it a joke. I actually like listening to it now and again, even with the dialogue. You can kinda follow the film in your head while listening to it. |
Mean Mistreater 02.12.2004 08:40 |
I listened to it ONE TIME, and I NEVER played it again! I don't even consider it part of the Queen catalog. |
Whatinthewhatthe? 02.12.2004 12:13 |
Think back to that point in time when hardly any rock stars were asked to do film scores. Dino Di Laurentiis picked them after hearing Bo Rhap and asked them personally to do the score for his motion picture, and Queen happily accepted.They were very proud of this effort and it is a Queen catalog item, an official release (though there aren't many "songs" on it, mostly instrumentals). And later on they were asked to do the score for Highlander, though no official soundtrack was released (A Kind Of Magic is the "soundtrack"). |
Liquid Scream 02.12.2004 12:26 |
I enjoy listening to the soundtrack as well. In fact I listen to Flash Gordon more than I listen to A Kind of Magic and the Works. |
deleted user 02.12.2004 13:40 |
The Fairy King wrote: Ooh come on, the 'album' is a joke! I don't see it as an Queenalbum and i can't see it as an Queenalbum! It's hiddiousOh really ? Well there we go again: Only because YOU can't stand listening to things that don't go verse-chorus-verse-chorus, it doesn't mean it's not serious music. Your personal tastes are not the equivalent to common rules. Apart from that it certainly does not disprove the fact that Flash Gordon WAS a commercial success... Any album that receives gold awards in any major market IS a commercial success, no matter if you like or not. |
Lester Burnham 02.12.2004 13:46 |
It's certainly nothing different than to what David Bowie was putting out at the time - just listen to the instrumentals he released on Low and "Heroes". |
deleted user 02.12.2004 13:56 |
personaly i think the albums great. Its not my favorite but i like it cos its Queen. If it wasn't Queen i probably wouldn't like it. Love all thier albums. |
Vad 02.12.2004 13:58 |
Actually I like the soundtrack a lot, but without the dialogues it could be much better. Mostly because I didn´t like the movie. The music alone could have made a very moody album. |
Regor 03.12.2004 06:15 |
Vad wrote: Actually I like the soundtrack a lot, but without the dialogues it could be much better. Mostly because I didn´t like the movie. The music alone could have made a very moody album.Yeah, moody, ambient kinda stuff. Thats what a soundtrack is supposed to sound like. Apart from the fact that I only wanted to measure its success as a soundtrack amongst other "no-songs" soundtracks (and yes, thus it was a success) I also like to add that I DO like it a lot. |
The Fairy King 03.12.2004 07:32 |
Oh really ? Well there we go again: Only because YOU can't stand listening to things that don't go verse-chorus-verse-chorus, it doesn't mean it's not serious music. Your personal tastes are not the equivalent to common rules. Apart from that it certainly does not disprove the fact that Flash Gordon WAS a commercial success... Any album that receives gold awards in any major market IS a commercial success, no matter if you like or not. Oh please it's MY opinion, RESPECT IT! |
deleted user 03.12.2004 08:48 |
Allright, if you don't wanna get it, then don't. Fine by me... |
The Fairy King 03.12.2004 09:00 |
lol it's not about NOT GETTING IT or NOT WANTING TO GET IT, i don't think it's a good Queenalbum, period. |
NOTWMEDDLE 05.12.2004 01:55 |
Philipp Nothaft wrote:In the old days or for a band who just slowly started out, Gold is important. FG hit the UK Top 10 and the UK is the second biggest market aside America.The Fairy King wrote: Ooh come on, the 'album' is a joke! I don't see it as an Queenalbum and i can't see it as an Queenalbum! It's hiddiousOh really ? Well there we go again: Only because YOU can't stand listening to things that don't go verse-chorus-verse-chorus, it doesn't mean it's not serious music. Your personal tastes are not the equivalent to common rules. Apart from that it certainly does not disprove the fact that Flash Gordon WAS a commercial success... Any album that receives gold awards in any major market IS a commercial success, no matter if you like or not. |
KittyCat 05.12.2004 05:21 |
personaly I really like it...especially Football Fight or The Kiss .... |
LiveAidQueen 05.12.2004 07:09 |
It's kinda weird...Flop in my books. Though things like The Hero and Flash are good, but that's all that's really on the album. |
The Fairy King 05.12.2004 09:46 |
Who cares if it's a success?? It's still the ugly kid in the Queen catalogue. No real songs just lots of sound effects and soundbytes...and the title track...come ooon FLASH A-HAAA? Isn't that brilliant of a lyric :P |
deleted user 05.12.2004 10:24 |
Shut up, Fairy King... Flash is a good song, great tune, ... probably not brilliant but certainly good Why don't you pick up another band as your favourite rock band.... you obviously only like half of the songs Queen wrote |
deleted user 05.12.2004 14:39 |
The Fairy King wrote: Who cares if it's a success?? It's still the ugly kid in the Queen catalogue. No real songs just lots of sound effects and soundbytes...and the title track...come ooon FLASH A-HAAA? Isn't that brilliant of a lyric :PSo once again: It was you who dubbed it a flop in the first place and it invariably wasn't. That's what this thread is about. Your personal dislikes don't change the album's sales and chart rankings. You also can't change the fact that FG IS serious music. The fact that you don't like it doesn't make it "a joke". Even sound effects are music, you know. But as I said: You obviously don't wanna get it. To NOTWMEDDLE: Both Japan and Germany are larger music markets than the UK. |
The Fairy King 05.12.2004 16:48 |
Oh grow up, it ISN'T a success if u compare it to Queen's usual recordsales, so compared to THAT it's a FLOP! It's as simple as that. And please tell me wotz so great about the songs, most songs sound alike,May uses the same riff over and over again, The Kiss is just Freddie receiving a blowjob etc etCETERA... They're just sound collages with some soundbytes, oh yippy! If u truly think this is a GREAT album with GREAT songs then ur a Stepford :P And because i just don't think this album isn't very good for Queen standards doesn't mean i only like HALF of their catalogue dear mr Cetera *rolls eyes*. *whispers*: wanker Wow real fan u are, ur name is certainly Queenrelated :P thank u |
deleted user 05.12.2004 19:35 |
<Oh grow up, it ISN'T a success if u compare it to Queen's usual recordsales, so compared to THAT it's a FLOP! It's as simple as that.> Usual record sales ? What are Queen's usual record sales ? Every album sold differently. They had different hits in different countries. Taking that definition every album bar The Game and Greatest Hits (for instance) could be considered as flops. What is Michael Jackson gonna do ? Were all his albums bar "Thriller" flops ? Apart from that Flash Gordon actually DID sell better than several other Queen records in places like Germany (big market) and Austria. It went top 20 all over Europe. It went higher in Italy than NOTW and Jazz, for instance. It won gold awards. It's far from being their worst selling album in the US. Q.e.d., I'd say. Do you really think the band or its record company had any reasons to be dissatisfied with the sales of FG at the time ? Why don't YOU grow up and learn to accept some simple facts. <And please tell me wotz so great about the songs, most songs sound alike,May uses the same riff over and over again, The Kiss is just Freddie receiving a blowjob etc etCETERA... They're just sound collages with some soundbytes, oh yippy! If u truly think this is a GREAT album with GREAT songs then ur a Stepford :P> Apart from the fact that you obviously don't know what a Stepford is: No, I'm simply someone who genuinely enjoys this record. This appears to be incredibly hard for you to fathom. You're apparently too one-track minded to accept the simple notion that YOUR PERSONAL TASTE (it really is nothing more than that; your musical analysis isn't really based on expertise) does NOT DICTATE common rules. All your comments on this thread are based on your inability to believe that an album that you can't stand actually can be successful and liked by many people nevertheless. Another thing you obviously don't understand: This is not about freedom of speech or opinion. I couldn't care less if you like FG or not. You hate it: Fine by me. But I don't like the way you sell your personal opinion as irrefutable fact by very sharply and aggressively declaring that FG was a complete flop because it was shite and a farce. Record sales can be measured. Your dislike doesn't change them. There are - to a certain degree - objective ways of looking at musical "seriousness" as well, again not changed by your personal opinion of the album. All the rest, of course, is left to your very own little world, but you'll find that this isn't exactly of huge interest to most people but you (it's for exactly the same reasons that rating-threads are tedious), especially since your ramblings didn't answer the question whether FG was a success or a flop (see start of thread), because - looking at it objectively - it certainly wasn't the latter. As to why all this is so hard to comprehend, I can't tell, but maybe the proposed "growing up" might be useful to you as well. |
The Fairy King 06.12.2004 13:23 |
*yaaawn* |
deleted user 06.12.2004 16:52 |
Very good. I'll take that as a sign of approbation. Qui tacet consentire videtur, as they say. |
LiveAidQueen 06.12.2004 17:02 |
Lame! |
The Fairy King 07.12.2004 12:47 |
lame indeed :P |
NOTWMEDDLE 09.12.2004 19:55 |
Philipp Nothaft wrote:Phil, every week we don't see the German charts or the Japanese charts in Billboard.com just the US and UK. To us Americans, England is the next biggest market!The Fairy King wrote: Who cares if it's a success?? It's still the ugly kid in the Queen catalogue. No real songs just lots of sound effects and soundbytes...and the title track...come ooon FLASH A-HAAA? Isn't that brilliant of a lyric :PSo once again: It was you who dubbed it a flop in the first place and it invariably wasn't. That's what this thread is about. Your personal dislikes don't change the album's sales and chart rankings. You also can't change the fact that FG IS serious music. The fact that you don't like it doesn't make it "a joke". Even sound effects are music, you know. But as I said: You obviously don't wanna get it. To NOTWMEDDLE: Both Japan and Germany are larger music markets than the UK. |
HarryH 10.12.2004 14:02 |
Hi Lester,
Lester Burnham wrote: It's certainly nothing different than to what David Bowie was putting out at the time - just listen to the instrumentals he released on Low and "Heroes".Allow me to be pedantic for a while: Bowie certainly wasn't putting stuff like that out 'at the time'...'Low' and 'Heroes' were both released in 1977, and 1979's 'Lodger' and 1980's 'Scary Monsters and Super Creeps' contained no purely instrumental tracks, though an instrumental track called 'Crystal Japan' (featured on a Japanese advert, I think?) dates from 1980 alright. That said, there is a general similarity okay, except that 'Flash Gordon' was written with a film in mind, and contained fewer 'real' songs than either of Bowie's albums that you mention. Finally, while I prefer Queen to Bowie, I think that those two albums are superior to 'Flash Gordon': the fact that that album (FG) is the only Queen studio album that I don't own says it all.... |
deleted user 10.12.2004 16:40 |
<Phil, every week we don't see the German charts or the Japanese charts in Billboard.com just the US and UK. To us Americans, England is the next biggest market!> Fair enough, but I don't think this holds true for the US music industry itself, for whom the size of a market really does matter. Any American record company would prefer to have a hit in Japan or Germany over the UK, because it'd equal more $$$. |
The Fairy King 11.12.2004 07:34 |
Oh please, this is a DISCUSSIONBOARD, means u can DISCUSS things and give ur own OPINIONS! And if we can't criticize Queen's discography it's become a very sad little Queenforum mr Turd! |
deleted user 11.12.2004 07:48 |
Of course, you can post your opinion..... but you can never change two very important facts 1) it was an official Queen Album and 2) it was a success and gave them even a top ten hit in the UK. and what you should consider always when you are listening to Flash Gordon: it was a SOUNDTRACK album, not a regular studio album. So it is ridiculous to compare it to the other Queen records. Some people like soundtracks, some don't, just a matter of taste - but as a soundtrack album Flash Gordon is very good. |
The Fairy King 11.12.2004 10:49 |
It's not ridiculous i see it as an Queen album, why is it in the all the Queen books n stuff? It counts as a full Queenalbum so i treat it that way. Of course it's a soundtrack and we should judge it like one...but there are betetr soundtracks out there even by Queen so in my eyes the FG "Soundtrack" is a flop commercially AND artisticly it didn't sell like other Queen albums worldwide at the time of release so it's considered A FLOP!! *sigh* |
tomnever 11.12.2004 11:40 |
I love this album. I always loved "the hero" and "Flash". I just think her sounds better at each listening |
deleted user 11.12.2004 12:07 |
The Fairy King wrote: but there are betetr soundtracks out there even by Queen so in my eyes the FG "Soundtrack" is a flop commercially AND artisticly it didn't sell like other Queen albums worldwide at the time of release so it's considered A FLOP!! *sigh*My god, how stubborn can you get. You can repeat your propositions in that prayer wheel-like fashion forever, but it won't change the facts. At the time of release FG very well sold like other Queen albums (even better than some) in many territories. The UK charts do not represent the whole word. FG can't be considered a commercial flop by any serious definitions. Why don't you show some intelligence by accepting this banal fact. |
The Fairy King 11.12.2004 13:53 |
LOL believe wot u want people! ...yes Flash Gordon woz VERY successful! Great record! Yes worldwide success!! Beat the crap out of The Game!! stubborn twats Flash Gordon in the charts: Highest Chart Position(GOLD) UK No.10 US No.23 NL No.13 Time spent in charts UK 15 weeks US 13 weeks NL 09 weeks The Game in the charts: Highest Chart Position(x...PLATINUM) UK No.1 US No.1 NL No.2 Time spent in the chart UK 18 weeks US 48 weeks NL 18 weeks ...sure maybe it did a little better in Switzerland or South America...but who cares? US and UK are the world's leading musical territory's. If you're successful in America and UK, ur in! So chartwise these are the facts. Maybe someone can add his/her country's info and this stupid thread is over. |
deleted user 11.12.2004 14:20 |
Nobody said that it was better than the Game (or more successful), but a flop it was certainly not (can't be with the album and single being top ten in the UK) By the way the Netherlands are hardly important - and in Japan and Germany the album was more successful than in the UK. As I said before it's of course a Queen album (and is treated as such by all the books), but it's a soundtrack and therefore you can't compare it with the success of The Game or News of the World for instance!!!!!! |
The Fairy King 11.12.2004 14:30 |
Then u don't now the definition of the word mister Cetera. When a certain album is called a flop it either means the album is a total failure musicwise and in the charts, but they also call it a flop when the lp or single doesn't get the same attention and doesn't sell like the last released product or how it usually sells, in Queen's history at that point in time. SO my dear peeps! Flash Gordon wozn't a success, nor a good Queenalbum. It's almost unanimous as the least favorite lp together with Hot Space....u CAN compare it to other Queenalbums, why not?? It's a Queen lp! wot a load of bulldoody! As Flash did it so great in the singlecharts and everyone thinks it's so great, u see it as a Queensingle so the album is a Queenalbum, their names are on it, the songs are composed and performed by the gang and they played some songs live!!! |
deleted user 11.12.2004 14:38 |
My god, for a SOUNDTRACK album it was a success, believe it or not!!!! Anyway whats the problem. If you don't like it, ok. But many Queen fans enjoy it. And you can't compare it to the other queen products because it was a completely different project! |
The Fairy King 11.12.2004 14:50 |
woteva dude, have it your way |
deleted user 11.12.2004 15:11 |
As I pointed out before: You're comparing it solely to The Game. It's one of their most successful albums. Compared to The Game nearly all of their albums were "flops". Do you really wanna claim that all Queen-albums bar The Game and Greatest Hits were flops ? |
The Fairy King 11.12.2004 15:20 |
No not only The Game, that woz just an example. I could've picked Opera or Races or Jazz for that matter, would've still made my point. Just picked the one before Flash, the one people were thinkin of when they heard of the Flash Album, when they saw the movie and when they were listening to the record. |
deleted user 11.12.2004 15:55 |
Well, wasn't Jazz a flop as well then, because it shifted less copies than its predecessors ? And what about Queen II ? It fared better than their debut, but sold less than FG in most countries bar the UK. Does this make it a hit or a flop album ? Is ADATR a flop because it sold less than ANATO ? Taking your definition, what are all the artists who had the bad luck of having one mega-seller among a number of highly successful albums (Jacko, Bon Jovi) supposed to do ? Finally, do you seriously think that Queen or their record companies had any reason to be disappointed with the way Flash Gordon sold ? You say you "just picked the one before Flash, the one people were thinkin of when they heard of the Flash Album, when they saw the movie and when they were listening to the record." Do you really think that the record-buying public (excluding you) and the press seriously measured Flash Gordon against The Game, writing it off as a commercial flop ? Wanna know what Flash Gordon REALLY was in the public eye ? A proof of the ongoing popularity of Queen, because there's no way that an album as seemingly un-marketable as Flash Gordon was going to be such a massive hit without the status of Queen as one of the biggest bands in the world at that time. Considering Flash Gordon a flop would mean regarding it as the direct successor of The Game, as a new Queen studio album. However, no-one did that. No-one (but you) still does. It would take quite an imbecile to think like that. Every sane person took it for granted that Flash Gordon was gonna sell less than The Game. Thus, no-one measured it against The Game (or ANATO or NOTW etc...). Looking at Flash Gordon as what it is, a mostly instrumental album, it was a massive worldwide success. [Record Mirror: I haven't heard this kind of music since Charlton Heston had won the cart-rase in Ben Hur. It's an album of epic dimensions and high quality. Sounds: As a music for Flash Gordon it is something absolutely extraordinary.] And please have the decence of responding properly to these points, because anserine "yawning" will make you look really dull and unable to gainsay by bringing forward some proper arguments. |
The Fairy King 11.12.2004 17:45 |
whahaahah ur seriously referring to a review from a magazine??? u gotta be kiddin me! Wow, nice job, wot about the opinion of REAL people, not some fucktart journalist? Unless u have some real facts, just don't bother. I'm not gonna call u names, not my style. Carry on livin in a world where Flash "ahaaaa" Gordon is great and successful single and album. And leave me alone in the REAL world. thank u |
The Fairy King 11.12.2004 18:02 |
*reads Phillip's profile* Fave Queenalbum: Flash lol >.< |
deleted user 11.12.2004 19:01 |
Is that all you can come up with ? Are you gonna disprove my point that Flash Gordon was a commercial success or not ? Come on and show some intelligence, because these responses are really dull. Why don't you try to discuss the subject seriously instead of wallowing in this mixture of mistaking subjective tastes for facts and general narrow-mindedness ? I've already stated several times, that I don't wanna discuss matters of taste, so please stop constantly retreating to this level in such a childish manner. De gustibus non disputandum est. Besides that, there must be many people living outside your self-proclaimed "real world", because there are many people who like the album. The mag-quotes were nothing but an example of the reception of the time. They were an illustration, nothing more. I've made my points elsewhere. Instead of making some yourself you keep distracting by dwelling upon such bagatelles. |
The Fairy King 11.12.2004 19:34 |
I'm still waiting for facts my dear Phillip, i'm just joking around while waiting. I haven't seen facts of Flash Gordon being a success as u were saying. I want no vague magazinereviews, i want hard facts that this album woz a success! Not givin me that semi-smartass crap, ur not foolin anyone. I want chartpositions, salesnumbers, everybody's honest opinion on the Flash Gordon "Soundtrack/film-on-record". Why were the sales lower than any other Queenrecord Phillip?? Flash Gordon ISN'T in the successful soundtrackalbum lists or any other album list for that matter, just the 1980 charts for a few weeks, depends on the territory. ---------------------------------------------- here's a review from AllMusic: While writing and recording The Game, Queen were asked by renowned movie director Dino de Laurentiis to provide the soundtrack for his upcoming sci-fi epic, Flash Gordon. The band accepted, and promptly began working on both albums simultaneously. Although at first many fans criticized Flash Gordon, since it was issued as an official Queen release rather than a motion picture soundtrack, it has proven to be one of rock's better motion picture soundtracks over the years. The majority of the music is instrumental, with dialogue from the movie in place of Freddie Mercury's singing (only two tracks contain lyrics), but the songwriting is still unmistakably Queen. Highlights abound, such as "Football Fight," "Vultan's Theme (Attack of the Hawkmen)," "The Wedding March," and the heavy metal roar of "Battle Theme." But it was the two more conventional songs that were the album's two best tracks — the anthemic U.K. Top Ten hit "Flash's Theme," and the woefully underrated rocker "The Hero." With Queen involved, Flash Gordon is certainly not your average, predictable soundtrack. rating: 2 stars review woz not by a journalist by the way. other review on MOVIEMUSIC.COM ...Unfortunately, all of this is presented on the album buried under dialogue and effects. Although cleverly edited to tell the story without the benefit of the kinky visuals, there are times when this practice is very distracting. Certainly, the track "Vultan's Theme" could have been presented without Brian Blessed shouting "Dive! Dive!" all over the place. As a standout musical sequence, this is particularly dissapointing, as is Melody Anderson's chanting of "Go, Flash, Go!" over the well-wrought rock anthem "Football Fight." All in all, while Queen's music would be fairly well represented on this album were it not for the continuous stream of dialogue, Howard Blake's orchestral contribution to this film is used here and there only as connective material... ---------------------------------------------- Chartpositions: UK release: Monday 8th December 1980 Highest Chart Position: 10 (15 weeks on chart) Award status: Gold USA release: 27th January 1981 Highest Chart Position: 23 (13 weeks on chart) Rolling Stone review: 2 outta 5 stars Hollywood rerelease (June 1991) Award status: Gold Highest Japanese Chart Position: 12 (19 weeks on chart) Highest Dutch Chart Position: 13 Highest Italian Chart Position: 15 (15 weeks on chart) ------------------------------------------- opinions of average listeners, not necessary fans: If I Wanted Dialogue Over The Music, I'd Watch The Movie, July 29, 2004 Reviewer: J. Maher (Chicago, IL) - See all my reviews (2 outta 5 stars) Don't get me wrong, I like when soundtracks/scores include memorable dialogue on them, but it should be separated from the music. I bought this expecting to hear the music from the film, but the dialogue is actually played OVER the music!!!! It is like watching the movie with a blindfold on!!!! Maybe one day, Queen will release a music-only soundtrack. it is so bad you gotta love it..., July 26, 2004 Reviewer: |
deleted user 11.12.2004 20:48 |
You obviously didn't bother reading any of what I wrote above. So here we go for the umpteenth time: The sales of Flash Gordon were not the lowest of all Queen albums. Their debut album didn't do better. Furthermore: - it sold more than Queen II and The Miracle (they haven't been certified gold so far) in the USA and among all studio albums that followed, only Hot Space charted higher. - it went to no.2 in Germany (better than all previous albums bar the Game) - it went to no.1 in Austria - it went higher than Jazz and NOTW in Italy - it shipped gold in the USA, the UK and Germany to name the cases known to me. Whilst it may not be a patch on other albums sales-wise, it cannot be considered a flop by any serious definition of the term. - Records are referred to as being flops when they very strongly fail to meet commercial expectations - When albums go top ten and receive gold awards, they're regarded as a "success" in most cases, except when these results do not live up to the original expectations. IMHO, There's no reason to suppose that anyone posed extortionate expectations (i.e. expecting that it would sell as much as the last Queen album or the ones before) in Flash Gordon, an album consisting mostly of ambient instrumentals. In some countries (Germany, Austria) it became a big hit nevertheless. Their record companies had every reason to be pleased with the results, given the noncommercial nature of the material. I'm looking forward to your relevant comments. PS: Awesome-O _4000 Champion: 56 posts Posted: 11/30/2004 9:40:08 PM: Actually, it's kind of funny. On the Pink Floyd forum, when somebody mentioned Queen, everybody began to talk about "Flash Gordon" Wow... NOTWMEDDLE Bohemian: 125 posts Posted: 12/1/2004 2:49:14 AM: I bought the FG soundtrack on CD in July of 1992 after I recorded a copy off a friend's cassette in March of 1992. Actually, FG was the eleventh legit Queen album I owned(I had recorded the albums I didn't have on cassette until I got the CDs) and is one of my favorites! Rainbow Be Gentle, I'm a newbie: 9 posts Posted: 11/28/2004 9:56:38 PM: I remember reading an article in Mojo or Q some years ago. It was with a guy who was big within the electronica scene. He was listing his biggest influencies, and one of them was the FG soundtrack. He said it was one of the greatest ambient albums he had ever heard. |
The Fairy King 11.12.2004 22:51 |
- Queen II and The Miracle both certified Gold in the US - We'll never settle this matter, because there's no direct prove unless someone will have the patience and time to make this graphic, not gonna be me...but then again i don't care really. - So u've found a few people who think FG is brilliant, i can find hundreds of people who think all Britney cd's are brilliant... - Like i said America and Britain are the biggest markets in the World when it comes to music. I'm sure Germany and Italy etc are important too...but the US and UK take the cake. These are well what u call it scales when it come to taste, when a cd is big in America or/and in Britain u can bet your sweet pancakes it will sell in the rest of the World too especially Europe. - I have no proof the Flash Gordon soundtrack really did fail commercially, only comparisations,you have no proof it DID really well...for a soundtrack!! So i'm still waiting for that. Yes it did sell, not for Queenstandards, YES it's a Queenrecord so we should treat it like one. And yes it's soundtrackalbum, but a really crappy one imo and that of many MANY others. That's last i have spoken about this very sad matter. So no lameass remarks to lure me back i won't bite. Thank You. |
deleted user 12.12.2004 07:49 |
<Queen II and The Miracle both certified Gold in the US > Not according to my source (see NOTWMEDDLE's list) <So u've found a few people who think FG is brilliant, i can find hundreds of people who think all Britney cd's are brilliant...> So ? What kind of argumentation is this ? I can find hundreds of people who don't like your favourite albums. This is incredibly lame. <Like i said America and Britain are the biggest markets in the World when it comes to music. I'm sure Germany and Italy etc are important too...but the US and UK take the cake.> No they don't. How often am I supposed to repeat this ? US, Germany and Japan are the most important markets. The UK comes fourth. <I have no proof the Flash Gordon soundtrack really did fail commercially> Exactly. So why do you try to defend your point ? <only comparisations,you have no proof it DID really well...for a soundtrack!!> The above is all I have, but IMHO it sufficiently shows that Flash Gordon did well enough for what it was and thus can be considered a success. Of course, it may not be enough to convince you, but at least I have more to prove my point than you came up with to prove yours. |
The Fairy King 12.12.2004 08:12 |
Queen II and The Miracle certified gold! Which means your sources aren't reliable, so your story isn't 100% true. Unless someone else has something relevant to say, or just close this stupid thread. thank you |