QueenZone discussion #413197
1975 - Ultimate Collection (Part One): A Night At The Opera
| John S Stuart 30.10.2004 11:10 |
1975 A Night At The Opera Produced by Roy Thomas Baker and Queen. Executive Engineer Mike Stone. Recorded at Sarm, Roadhouse, Olympic, Rockfield, Scorpio and Landsdowne Studios. Night At The Opera acoustic demos, studio sessions/ out-takes available from this period. Death On Two Legs Album Version A Night At The Opera: EMI CDP 7 46207 2 1998 eYe Instrumental Edit Electronic Arts DDE05501 101S eYe/CD Full Instrumental Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon Album Version A Night At The Opera: EMI CDP 7 46207 2 Exposed Omitted Phrase - Stereo - Version Exposed MC C-EXP 0491 I'm In Love With My Car Album Version A Night At The Opera: EMI CDP 7 46207 2 Revs Intro Queen Rocks: Parlophone 823 0912 UK 7"Unsegued Japan 3" CDS TODP 2253 (Bohemian…) US 7" Unsegued Elektra E-45297 (Bohemian Rhapsody B-side) Japan 7" Unsegued Japan 3" CDS TODP 2253 (Bohemian…) 1991 Mike Shipley Remix ANATO: US 1991 Hollywood HR-61065-2 You're My Best Friend Album Version A Night At The Opera: EMI CDP 7 46207 2 Karaoke Instrumental Japan Toshiba EMI TOLW - 3249.50 1991 Matt Wallace Remix ANATO: US 1991 Hollywood HR-61065-2 Promotional Video Greatest Flix I & II: Pioneer PLMPD 01171 '39 Album Version A Night At The Opera: EMI CDP 7 46207 2 Sweet Lady Album Version A Night At The Opera: EMI CDP 7 46207 2 1998 eYe 1:00 Edit Electronic Arts DDE05501 101S Seaside Rendezvous Album Version A Night At The Opera: EMI CDP 7 46207 2 Prophet's Song Album Version A Night At The Opera: EMI CDP 7 46207 2 Love Of My Life Album Version A Night At The Opera: EMI CDP 7 46207 2 1998 eYe “04 Edit Electronic Arts DDE05501 101S Starlicks Video Edit Starlicks Video Good Company Album Version A Night At The Opera: EMI CDP 7 46207 2 Bohemian Rhapsody Album Version A Night At The Opera: EMI CDP 7 46207 2 Karaoke Instrumental Japan Toshiba EMI TOLW - 3249.50 7" France Promo 3:30 Edit Home Mini-Disc Rock Instrumental 1: 18” Total Guitar CD Magazine Rock Instrumental 2: 18” Total Guitar CD Magazine Rock Instrumental 3: 42” Total Guitar CD Magazine Guitar Solo Guitar Techniques November 2001 Backing Track Guitar Techniques November 2001 Starlicks Video Starlicks Video Anthony Acid Remix NYs Deepest Hardest House Mix 91/92 Razor N Guido White Label Mix (Short) Home Mini-Disc Razor N Guido White Label Mix (Long) Home Mini-Disc Exposed Fake Mono Demo Exposed MC Promotional Video Greatest Flix I & II: Pioneer PLMPD 01171 BBC Top Of The Pops BBC Video (Flames Intro) Unreleased: Home Video Wayne's World Promotional Video Unreleased: Home Video Comic Relief Video Version Unreleased: God Save The Queen Album Version A Night At The Opera: EMI CDP 7 46207 2 7" US (Extended Intro) Keep Yourself Alive: Elektra E-45268 B |
| inu-liger 30.10.2004 11:20 |
You might want to add the b-side version of '39 as an unsegued version as well, because on the album, it segues with Sweet Lady. |
| Lester Burnham 30.10.2004 12:21 |
No it doesn't. |
| Pim Derks 30.10.2004 12:26 |
wtf are you talking about Dark. |
| John S Stuart 30.10.2004 12:27 |
Inu: '39... segues with Sweet Lady. No it doesn't - they are stand alone versions both on the album, and the single. (And I don't know of any version where they actually segue). |
| The Real Wizard 30.10.2004 16:10 |
Would this be the place to list the early demo of I'm In Love With My Car, with Roger playing guitar alone and singing? |
| Chaka 30.10.2004 16:21 |
re: Roger's demo yes, and I believe I've heard tell of (GB's record collector article?) a later I'm In Love With My Car demo with Brian guitar and different lyrics, and "Psycho Legs" listed as the working title for Death on Two Legs. on the whole I'm disappointed how little "extra" material seems to exist from this session, but who knows how much QP have in their archives anymore anyway. John, are there any differences between the various single versions of I'm In Love With My Car or are they identical? |
| Penetration_Guru 30.10.2004 16:33 |
Surely the flames Bo Rhap vid is on GVHII now? |
| John S Stuart 30.10.2004 17:35 |
Sir GH: "Would this be the place to list the early demo of I'm In Love With My Car, with Roger playing guitar alone and singing?" Yes it is, that's why I wrote the generic statement at the start of the listing: "Night At The Opera acoustic demos, studio sessions/ out-takes available from this period". There are other acoustic demos other than "I'm In Love With My Car", but the problem is that these are more home (rather than studio) demos, and as such it is difficult to get a handle on those because they belong to the individual rather than part of the studio-system. Edited accordingly PG: "...the flames Bo Rhap vid is on Greatest Video Hits" Thanks. Yes - that is correct. |
| John S Stuart 30.10.2004 17:48 |
Thomas: As you can see I was directly answering PG's question: "Surely the flames Bo Rhap vid is on GVHII now?" I know PG. He made an honest mistake there. I just copied that honest mistake into my answer. You are correct, it was on Greatest Video Hits 1 (notII), and I have corrected my answer accordingly. I don't think it was a serious error, but in the spirit of exactness - it has been edited! |
| Chaka 30.10.2004 17:53 |
is there any information that can be shared about the other "acoustic demos/out-takes"? or are these totally unknown at the moment? |
| John S Stuart 30.10.2004 17:58 |
Thomas: "I didn't mean anything by it, just thought I'd correct a little mistake, that's all". NO offence was taken. I have much to do, so when I am on here - I get to the point and move on. I know this economy of style is effective writing - but I also realise that it may read as a little rude. I do not mean to be rude, so try not to read it as such ;-) Chaka: "is there any information that can be shared about the other "acoustic demos/out-takes"? or are these totally unknown at the moment?" Just what we have from the band members themselves - so I do not know what access QP or GB would have of these. The most interesting things are bits like Brian's "'39" and Freddie's "Love Of My Life", but I do not want it to appear that these are like "unplugged" sessions and to get hopes up. As far as I know these are primitive instrumentals and some are incomplete. Other than that, I can not say for sure what exists - or whether GB has these catalogued - as I said above, they are not part of the EMI collection. |
| Adam Baboolal 30.10.2004 18:16 |
Marine voice: Okay team! Here's the plan... I'll take a pick-axe and you guys get the address and the escape van. Entry to the rear of the property and make sure Brian's wearing his pink ear-muffs so we won't be detected. Then, break into the safe with John's precision explosives, gather as much as you can and run! Did I mention that I get a pick-axe? :) Peace, Adam. |
| inu-liger 30.10.2004 18:28 |
'39/Sweet Lady: Actually, it does. '39 does fade out, but not completely into silence before Sweet Lady begins (it begins on the last 2-3 seconds). This can be heard with increased volume on both the CD and DVD-Audio versions. |
| Lester Burnham 30.10.2004 18:49 |
No they don't, and I can hear that they don't on my copy of the album. |
| John S Stuart 30.10.2004 19:50 |
Inu: Even if "'39" & "Sweet Lady" DID partially overlap in the way you suggest - would that really warrant an additional entry, when most completists would have the album version anyway? |
| The Real Wizard 30.10.2004 21:36 |
John S Stuart wrote: Night At The Opera acoustic demos, studio sessions/ out-takes available from this periodIs there any chance of us ever hearing stuff like this? |
| John S Stuart 30.10.2004 21:53 |
Sir GH: "Is there any chance of us ever hearing stuff like this?" Simply, I do not know. As I already said above: "...the problem is that these are more home (rather than studio) demos, and as such... they belong to the individual rather than part of the studio-system." So I suppose it is really up to Brian and Roger. |
| The Real Wizard 31.10.2004 00:50 |
There must be collectors who have this stuff, not just the members of Queen. |
| Penetration_Guru 31.10.2004 11:27 |
Ooops. GVHI |
| Bohardy 31.10.2004 19:00 |
What's with the 'unsegued' versions of IILWMC? As in the case with '39/Sweet Lady, there is no segue at either the beginning or end of IILWMC. The album version is a standalone version. |
| John S Stuart 31.10.2004 19:54 |
Bo Hardy: You are correct - "I'm In Love With My Car" is stand alone on the album, but there is really no "gap" which seperates the tracks as such, and in the days before digital editing, no matter how hard one tried, it was always impossible to seperate with a cassette tape only. The Bo-Rhap "B"-side was always viewed as a "must have" for any collection. I also think that the "B"-side has also been edited in some way, but I can't remember how at present. I think it was the motorcycle revs at the start or the end of the track which were different. Sir GH: "There must be collectors who have this stuff, not just the members of Queen". Perhaps, perhaps not - but I don't know of any - do you? I think the thing is that just because things are erased or disappear (eg: the BBC ADMIT to wiping "Doctor Who" tapes because they re-recorded on top of the tapes), why is it always assumed that it must be in the hands of collectors? I could see how "Doctor Who" could be rescued - if it was physically stolen - but erased - I do not see how someone without access to the master tapes could rescue such a thing. It is the same with Queen. If something is erased, lost or stolen, what guarantee is there that collectors, somewhere, someplace MUST have these? |
| Chaka 31.10.2004 20:25 |
the single version of I'm In Love With My Car differentiates in that it starts with the engine revving, and ends in a fade-out; the album version starts with the song straight away and ends with the engine revving and some guitar from Brian. the Queen Rocks version puts the engine revving intro from the single version in front of the complete album version. My question is; are the different country/format single releases different edits, or are the UK/US/Japan/7"/CD3 versions all identical? |
| John S Stuart 31.10.2004 20:41 |
Chaka: My question is; are the different country/format single releases different edits, or are the UK/US/Japan/7"/CD3 versions all identical? Thankfully, they are all identical. |
| Adam Unger (QueenVault.com) 11.11.2004 12:06 |
John, There is a different mix of The Prophet's Song on the ANATO DVD-A. It has a longer opening with more wind effects, etc. Also there may be an Argentinian edit of Good Company. I have yet to have that confirmed though. |
| Pim Derks 11.11.2004 13:19 |
The Argentinian edit of Good Company only misses the last chords (the strange noise) of the track. At least, that's the difference on my MP3-file :) |
| Wilki Amieva 11.11.2004 15:27 |
The Argentinian CD of ANATO is very, very bad. It has 2-second pre-track gaps filled with silence over the actual tracks!!! WORST RELEASE EVER! |
| Wilki Amieva 11.11.2004 15:33 |
Adam Unger (Queen Webworks) wrote: John, There is a different mix of The Prophet's Song on the ANATO DVD-A. It has a longer opening with more wind effects, etc.Interesting... Are you referring to a 5.1 or a stereo mix? From the withdrawn DVD-A, the released DVD-A or the DTS DVD sampler? By the way, the later has an stand-alone version, both in 5.1 and stereo. |
| Adam Unger (QueenVault.com) 11.11.2004 23:29 |
I don't know which recording it is off of. It's a downmixed version of the 5.1 mix. Length is 8.31. |
| Fenderek 06.02.2006 06:40 |
I HAVE A QUESTION! Recently I got hold of a Dream Theater album "Scenes From A Memory"- but not the version avaliable in the shops but the unused mix. The band decided to remix it and used only 2 or 3 tracks from the original mix. Knowing the album as it was released I listened to the first mix and... there were many differences. Sometimes it was a question of this bit higher, this bit lower in the mix (although it changed the music significantly!), but in some cases the entire lyric line or a keyboard or guitar riff were abandoned or added!!! Why am I talking about it? I read that Queen made the public hearing of their back than new ANATO album- for journalists. After that, they weren't happy with the mix and decided to remix whole album. To the point that it actually almost delayed the tour or something- don't remember... NOW THAN- after hearing what a "new mix" really mean- this might be REALLY interesting!!! Does the original mix exist? Is it significantly different? (D.T. really was!!!) Anyone ever though or heard about it? |
| Fenderek 06.02.2006 07:41 |
just to add one more thing before someone will dissmiss it (and to bounce the thing back on top ;) ) Just to give an example of what the diferent mix could change. AOBTD- imagine the track with not a dry drum sound but with a full sound, usual Roger style... Imagine guitar higher in the mix... Imagine lack of those weird sounds in the middle. And what? Different kind of track, wouldn't it be? That's the sort of changes we're talking about here. |
| Fenderek 06.02.2006 12:22 |
? |
| John S Stuart 06.02.2006 19:09 |
Fenderek wrote: ?Sounds good in theory - but I am not to sure in practice. Put it this way, I have never heard of one coming up for sale. |
| The Fonz 07.02.2006 17:00 |
Fenderek wrote: I HAVE A QUESTION! Recently I got hold of a Dream Theater album "Scenes From A Memory"- but not the version avaliable in the shops but the unused mix. The band decided to remix it and used only 2 or 3 tracks from the original mix.The "official bootleg" The Making of Scenes from A Memory? That's a fantastic recordiing - I like how it changes the whole story, not just the mix. It's a pity Queen can't/wont do something along these lines. |
| Bobby_brown 08.04.2006 09:34 |
From the new DVD of the making of "A Night at the opera", there are afew bits that are worth to be in the list. But now, we know that Kenny Everett played the unfinished "Prophets Song" in his show. I supposed that no one taped the show at that time, but is it possible for the radio to still have the recording in their vaults? Take care |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 08.04.2006 19:59 |
Yeah, John?! Interesting question. |
| goinback 08.04.2006 21:31 |
What's the longer intro for God Save The Queen? Is the drum roll just longer? And...it wasn't on the back of a Keep Yourself Alive single from '73 was it? I was thinking GSTQ wasn't recorded until '74, but I'm thinking KYA was re-released after the Killer Queen success so maybe it was the B-side of the reissue (?).... |
| Lester Burnham 08.04.2006 22:13 |
KYA was re-released in the States in July 1975 with 'Lily Of The Valley' and 'God Save The Queen' on the B-side. |
| FriedChicken 10.04.2006 04:24 |
Fenderek wrote: just to add one more thing before someone will dissmiss it (and to bounce the thing back on top ;) ) Just to give an example of what the diferent mix could change. AOBTD- imagine the track with not a dry drum sound but with a full sound, usual Roger style...That huge drumsound of Roger wasn't really done with mixing. It was a matter of placing the microphones right. When you use a lot of ambient mics (Microphones which aren't placed in, or just around, the drumkit. But which are placed in the room or even outside the room) I think Mack liked to close mic the drums. Or maybe this was done on purpose for this tight black funk sound |
| Fenderek 10.04.2006 07:45 |
John- would be worth adding Piano Version of God Save The Queen- as now we know it exists :) Unless it's all hidden under "out-takes" you mentioned at teh very begining... Would be cool though to try to list them all... |
| Q-Nick 10.04.2006 15:53 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: There must be collectors who have this stuff, not just the members of Queen.I reckon some of this material is in the hands of the "Uber's". |