Fenderek 22.10.2004 10:26 |
See it for yourselfs... link Just one problem- I don't have a fucking credit card...!!! And one more thing- they ain't soundboards, are they...? |
akan 22.10.2004 10:40 |
if you listen to the 'Life is real' bootleg the sound quality is the same as the gypsy eye realise and if you see the sapporo '79 tracklist you notice that it is the same as the factory-pressed bootleg, so one question:will they make avalaible for download the soundborad recordings or the bootlegs that we already know?could some buy them and tell us what difference there are between these donwloadble concerts and the bootlegs that are already on internet?if they upload the factory-pressed bootleg this download project will be useless |
Fenderek 22.10.2004 10:41 |
I think those ARE the best avaliable BOOTLEGS that we know, not soundboards... |
akan 22.10.2004 10:44 |
100 best bootlegs???i don't think that meadowlands '82 is one of the 100 best queen bootlegs, and what about sapporo '79?i think it is one of the 'worst' concerts of '79 (despite i think all the concert in '79 were great!) |
Bohardy 22.10.2004 10:47 |
I dunno if I'll be purchasing any of these. It seems a little bit pointless to do this, if they're not gonna offer anything more than what is widely available to most fans free of charge through torrents/hubs/peer-to-peer networks etc. £9.99 is only slightly cheaper (isn't it?) than what you'd pay at a record fair for the same product which is already burned onto CD and comes with appropriate packaging, so I don't really see how this is beating the bootleggers at their own game. Didn't they originally announce that artwork would be available for download as well? I don't see any mention of that, although I suppose it may only be mentioned once you actually get to the download after having paid for it. Still, I'm bloody surprised this venture has actually come to fruition. |
John S Stuart 22.10.2004 10:51 |
This is very hard to believe - but from QOL: "Queen Online.com proposes to offer the very best of the bootlegs... With expert advice from three acknowledged experts on Queen bootlegs; Frank Hazenberg, Andreas Voigts, Frank Palstra..." These are NOT soundboards - but bootlegs - it is exactly as it says on the tin. I know this is hypocritical as I have forked out a fortune in bootlegs - but in their favour, some of these are very nice artifacts - and also they were the best (if not only) audio versions available. Now some will tell you that the monies from these discs go to pay the IRA or some other national terrorist front. In my experience, the money usually ended up in the pocket of some spotty-faced kid from Middlesex. On the otherhand: The members of Queen (Freddie, Roger, Brian & John) are in the Guiness Book Of Records as the UK's HIGHEST paid company directors. They have access to (According to GB & Ratty) soundboards of ALL their concerts. Therefore, I would expect access to these masters NOT some 3rd rate copy. Forgetting that the same stuff is P2P (or swappsies) FREE, where will this lead to? Queen charging us to vist sites like Rein's because he has unearthed an alternative "Seven Seas Of Rhye" video? It's sad, it's all very sad. It is like some tacky jumble sale. This is like watching the decline of some great footballer like Gazza or George Best as they fall down the leagues and end up getting a game for the local "Star and Anchor" pub challenge cup final. Can't they see that they are losing respect quicker than a very, very fast thing - and boy is that quick! (Perhaps the Butlin's weekend is closer than we think fatty?). I could understand if they were free (like some otherbands who have uploaded) but charging £10.00 per pop - greedy b*stards! Personally, I think I'll stick with the spotty kid - at least my money might pay for his acne cream. PS: That is £1000 for the complete set. What next - bulk discounts? PPS: Isn't it strange that the biggest known queen bootleggers have become "acknowledged experts"? |
willem-jan 8923 22.10.2004 10:51 |
Indeed, these soundclips don't sound like soundboard at all! Just the bootlegs we've allready got, however, now it's illegal to have them in the hub, because they ARE available in a legal way. Bollocks to that. |
The Real Wizard 22.10.2004 11:11 |
willem-jan wrote: now it's illegal to have them in the hub, because they ARE available in a legal way. Bollocks to that.lol... yeah... If Sapporo 79 is the "best of the best", then I don't know what Hammersmith 75 is anymore. link Here's the proper link for Osaka 85. The webmaster needs to fix that one up. |
Borhap80 22.10.2004 11:28 |
This sounds strange !!!! Queen online releasing bootlegs...... Don't they have better things to do..... It sounds as a stupid joke. |
Carrots Of The Piratebean 22.10.2004 11:31 |
Now i've heard it all - a band selling bootlegs obtained from bootleggers who just "might" have been the ones to have "ripped them off" in the first place...
I think I smell a huge rat here.
Bohardy wrote: £9.99 is only slightly cheaper (isn't it?) than what you'd pay at a record fair for the same product which is already burned onto CD and comes with appropriate packaging, so I don't really see how this is beating the bootleggers at their own game.Coudnt agree more... |
Fenderek 22.10.2004 11:33 |
Pretty pointles UNLESS they'll offer sth really, really rare... |
Bohardy 22.10.2004 11:37 |
Something really really rare isn't likely to be in the hypothetical Top 100 Bootlegs though, is it? |
Fenderek 22.10.2004 11:49 |
John S Stuart wrote: I could understand if they were free (like some otherbands who have uploaded) but charging £10.00 per pop - greedy b*stards!Metallica is "selling" soundboards from all the gigs from the entire tour- and cheaper... And not in mp3 but also in flac... Ah well, that's what you get when you expect the step in the right direction from QP or QOL... Bohardy wrote: Something really really rare isn't likely to be in the hypothetical Top 100 Bootlegs though, is it?Yeah, but also there aren't 100 tapes with really good quality, are they? 20-30-40- yes, sure- in EX or V.GOOD quality- but what than...? GOOD-...? Is this the the crème de la crème...? And a bit from Greg's note...: " The Queen audio archive contains many complete official concert recordings which all may one day see the light of day" I doubt they'll see the light of day- there was a great chance to "sell" those that definitely aren't going to be released for some reasons OR even those that were never bootleged... What's the expresson?- scrapping the barrel...? it could have been so nice- how about making avaliable those gigs that hasn't been bootleged...? I'm sure we all know those legendary gigs- hammersmith'79, Houston'77, Sao Paulo'81 to name just few, but I'm absolutely sure there were some gigs with Queen in top form, maybe actually even better than those mentioned BUT we don't know them as they have never been bootleged... Suddenly, the whole thing would be extremely attractive for everybody, even the serious collectors who seem to have almost all there is... Yet again- huge disappointment... God, I really need this Milton Keynes DVD fast to regain any respect to QP... |
Plengel 22.10.2004 11:55 |
Strange, the soundclip of the "Jazz Final" bootleg sounds worse than the bootleg I have of that show. Also there is a better version of the Osaka '85 show out there. Queenonline uses the "Last Stand" bootleg, while about a year ago, the Japanese "Kirin Sound Together" label released a bootleg of that show with even better sound. Only the last few tracks were from the "Last Stand" bootleg. |
Penis - Vagina 22.10.2004 12:10 |
I don't think it's going to be very successful really. The U.S. price for these 'albums' is roughly $18.25... that's a lot of money for an audience recording that someone can easily get for free. Fortunately I'm not very interested in live stuff so they ain't gonna sucker me in on this ;) |
Fenderek 22.10.2004 12:15 |
Hell it is a lot!!! I live in London- fine, 10 quid isn't a lot for me- mere hour of my work... BUT most of my friends live outside UK... Comparison- my father, 30 years in the Polish army, very high rank- earns around 350 pounds... per month... Fans, who are usually younger earn less or don't even have a job yet (most of them are still students)- they're not going to buy bloody thing for tenner if they can/could downloaded it from hub/queenzone etc for free... soundboards would be worth it- YES!!!! But this is a freaking joke... |
FEEL THE FORCE 2 22.10.2004 12:18 |
WE WANT REALLY QUEEN RARITIES NOWWWWWWWW¡¡¡¡¡¡ It´s a joke to pay 9´99 pounds for an easy queen bootleg concert, not soundboard, not cd, not arwork, nothing. |
Adam Baboolal 22.10.2004 12:35 |
Yeah, this step in the right direction seems quite misguided, eh? Soundboards and non-mp3 would be far more interesting. The only good thing about this is that it takes money away from the bad bootleggers. As for the good...well, that's another story. Peace, Adam. EDIT: Are these the exact same sounding bootlegs, i.e. has the sound been changed in any way? Have they tried to clean them up? |
Fenderek 22.10.2004 12:37 |
Adam Baboolal wrote: Are these the exact same sounding bootlegs, i.e. has the sound been changed in any way? Have they tried to clean them up?Seems like, hence the disppointment... |
deleted user 22.10.2004 12:43 |
Why don't we just finance QZ to buy these bootlegs then distribute it among ourselves. Just keep it a secret from QOL. |
John S Stuart 22.10.2004 12:47 |
Two thoughts: First: Plengel - "the soundclip... sounds worse than the bootleg I have... there is a better version of the Osaka '85 show... Queenonline uses the "Last Stand" bootleg, while... the Japanese... released a bootleg... with even better sound." This is really very, very bizarre because this show was OFFICIALLY released in Japan as a laser disc, and is easilly available in the UK. That means that they are selling us a product which is an inferior version to the commercially available product - and charging us for it! In effect they are ripping themselves off - and breaching their own copyrights - W E I R D!!! Second: Nice to see that Roger has stuck to his own very high standards, Remember this is the same guy who wanted to withdraw "Live Killers" because it was too raw and in his own words "sounded like...!", yet these boots are going to make "Live Killers" sound angelic! |
[StArMaN] 22.10.2004 12:56 |
Another lost opportunity by QOL... They're definately out of the market... |
Fireplace 22.10.2004 13:03 |
Keep in mind that the soundclips are 64 kbs, which is just barely FM-broadcast quality. A standard mp3 is 128 kbs. It doesn't sound like any touching up was done though, and they sure as hell aren't soundboards. |
Pim Derks 22.10.2004 13:06 |
The show officially released in Japan was the May 11th show John, NOT the May 15th show. |
Plengel 22.10.2004 13:13 |
John S Stuart wrote: Two thoughts: First: Plengel - "the soundclip... sounds worse than the bootleg I have... there is a better version of the Osaka '85 show... Queenonline uses the "Last Stand" bootleg, while... the Japanese... released a bootleg... with even better sound." This is really very, very bizarre because this show was OFFICIALLY released in Japan as a laser disc, and is easilly available in the UK. That means that they are selling us a product which is an inferior version to the commercially available product - and charging us for it! In effect they are ripping themselves off - and breaching their own copyrights - W E I R D!!!Are you talking about the Osaka 15.05.1985 show and not about the Tokyo 11.05.1985 one??? I didn't know the Osaka show was officially released. I was referring to the "Last Stand" bootleg LP: link and this "newly" released bootleg:link Thanks in advance. |
FEEL THE FORCE 2 22.10.2004 13:14 |
QUEEN ON LINE: Queen are one of the most widely pirated bands in the world. A large number of their live performances (over 700 in all) exist in unauthorised recordings - from the earliest college gigs in 1971, to the final open air spectacular at Knebworth Park in 1986. Bootlegs from 1971??????????????? |
Carrots Of The Piratebean 22.10.2004 13:44 |
"With expert advice from three acknowledged experts on Queen bootlegs; Frank Hazenberg, Andreas Voigts, Frank Palstra, we offer only the most interesting and significant material" Just noticed something odd.... why didnt they ask their own "resident expert" Greg for advice? |
Óli Gneisti Sóleyjarson 22.10.2004 13:45 |
Not worth it. I think QP should try to talk to the fans, in their shoes I would try and find some fans on QZ or the fan club and talk to them about what they would like to see released. I want to spend money on Queen products but QP isn't giving me a good enough reason. |
wstüssyb 22.10.2004 13:53 |
who are these bootleg experts? I know some ppl who know a lot more then who these are... Be stupid to pay for a bootleg when you can get them free just by not being lazy, Only a few shows I would love to have, it's a shame Queen dont do what pearl jam did and put out all shows, Pearl jam made a nice amount of money from that |
pma 22.10.2004 14:02 |
"Q) What quality are the downloads? A) The downloads are Windows Media Audio 9 Series encoded at 192kbps and are virtually indistinguishable from CD-quality audio." As if they are offering anything even close to cd-quality... :S Which still doesn't make the above true. |
John S Stuart 22.10.2004 14:12 |
Plengel/Pim: Yes - you are correct. I was thinking of "Final Live In Japan" filmed live at Tokyo's National Yoyogi Gimnasium 1 on May 11th '85. This has been "transfered/downloaded" onto CD, and sold as an audio bootleg. And I think that bootleg has been incorrectly sold as "Last Stand" also. |
Nationofhaircuts 22.10.2004 15:53 |
"Luckily, and this is a world-wide first, Queen have decided to save you the trouble and the risk, by Bootlegging the Bootleggers! " ahum...the worldwide first eh,? what should we call the frank zappa Beat the boots series then? back in what was it 1989? about 10 or 15 albums with artwork for what, 7 euro or so. please qp / qol stop making fools out of yourselves, and release more of those lovely dvd's like milton keynes that i bought today and enjoyed like hell! |
Whisperer 22.10.2004 16:07 |
This really sucks!!! The bootleggers had to find the recordings and then sell them. All what QP did was buy the bootlegs and sell them. Why does a company that has all concerts in soundboard quality release bootlegs!?!?! Fuckers!!!! I'm very dissapointed. Guess if I'm gonna buy anything... |
Penetration_Guru 22.10.2004 17:42 |
Even in my most cynical moments I could not envisage QP even considering the possibility of entertaining the merest hint of the thought of just charging people for the bootlegs they already have. I was wrong. Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. Unbelievably wrong (in that I still can't believe it's true, even after listening with my own ears to the proof). This is insane. |
YourValentine 22.10.2004 18:31 |
What a rip off, I can't believe it! The sheer nerve to sell such low quality material and claim it's some kind of "service" for the fans. Aren't the "experts" Dutch bootleggers, at least two of them? What annoys me most is the fact that it will be the poor and uninformed fans who will be the victims of this "service". The smarter fans use file sharing and don't pay anything |
Roy ® 22.10.2004 18:35 |
The only one i maybe should download is the complete soundboard recording of Houston 1977 |
Penetration_Guru 22.10.2004 18:57 |
--- Queen > Queen are one of the most widely pirated bands in > the world. True, but how is this relevant? don't you know the difference between pirating and bootlegging? A large number of their live > performances (over 700 in all) exist in unauthorised > recordings - from the earliest college gigs in 1971, > to the final open air spectacular at Knebworth Park > in 1986. In response to public demand, large > numbers of 'bootleg' LPs, tapes, CDs, videos and now > DVDs, proliferated. > > There is a HUGE mass of bootlegs to choose from - an > overwhelming volume. Only a tiny fraction of these > are worth seeking out, as most are poor-quality, > shoddily conceived packages designed only to part > Queen fans from their hard-earned cash. Well, you're the experts....Rare Live...Queen Rocks....Greatest hits III, trying to sell concert recordings no better than those already in existence and with no artwork. Perhaps 1 > in 25 bootlegs are truly worth having. So unless > you know precisely where to go and whom to ask, > venturing into the murky and spurious world of > illegal recordings is not recommended. ..unless Queen Productions are selling them, of course. > > Luckily, and this is a world-wide first, Queen have > decided to save you the trouble and the risk, by > Bootlegging the Bootleggers! Bootlegging - the issuing of unofficial recordings with little regard to quantity. Good of you to be so honest about it. As for it being a world-wide first, Metallica, Frank Zappa, Bob Dylan, Pearl Jam and many other bands doing this properly will be surprised to know this. > > Queen Online.com proposes to offer the VERY BEST of > the bootlegs, in terms of sound quality and > variation of material, at a sensible price. We have > effectively 'cut to the chase', offering serious > Queen fans the best of the bunch - 'the crème de la > crème', as Freddie might say! Wouldn't it make more sense to try and sell us something of better quality, more complete, or even otherwise unavailable? Wouldn't Freddie actually consider THAT to be "the creme de la creme"? > > With expert advice from three acknowledged experts > on Queen bootlegs; Frank Hazenberg, Andreas Voigts, > Frank Palstra, we offer only the most interesting > and significant material. Wrong. Interesting material would be concerts previously not bootlegged. Significant material would be John's first concert, the Elektra showcase gig from 1972, guest appearances from Status Quo, Tony Hadley, Stirling University from 1974. Now you can download the > very best of QUEEN IN CONCERT at your leisure, and > know that each recording is the best around. Except for the pristine version in Queen's archive. Each > month we will offer further concerts, so please keep > this site bookmarked and keep coming back to check > out which gigs have been posted. > > Playing the bootleggers at their own game seems an > appealing prospect for most of us; here we hope to > do just that, hoping that in the end it will lead to > greater satisfaction all round. Well it would if it was done properly, but this is just ignorant profiteering. Drag one show out of the archive and watch your sales leap. Chuck out this dross and watch your reputation sink. > > The first three concerts to be released are: > > > - Queen Last Stand - 15th may 1985, Osaka > - Jazz Final - 6th June 1979, Jazz Tour > - Life Is Real -Life is real - 9th august 1982, > Meadowlands > Please believe me when I say that I was genuinely looking forward to this scheme. Here we are on day one and I could weep at the insular, self congratulatory tone, the badly thought out pricing strategy, the choice of shows (at least start with a well known show), the poor sound quality, the inaccurate tracklisting (Now I'm Here & We Are The Champions trabsposed???), the de |
Penis - Vagina 22.10.2004 18:58 |
For what it's worth, they've announced that the price was wrong.. they're actually 5 pounds each (sorry I don't know the pound sign code on my bloody American keyboard) link |
Penetration_Guru 22.10.2004 19:12 |
If they were shows from the archive, I'd pay £9.99. Probably. Sticking some reasonable artwork on would make it more likely, and making it an un-bootlegged show would make it a certainty. |
Pim Derks 22.10.2004 19:13 |
I wonder if they let people pay for bootlegquality versions first and then in 6 months time, when they earned enough money, roll out the concerts from the archives "now available - soundboard recordings!"..... |
Liquid Scream 22.10.2004 19:16 |
The worst quote I found to be was "The Queen audio archive contains many complete official concert recordings which all may one day see the light of day" Thanks for dangling that in front of our noses! And they will be put out when?? After they make cash on the 100th bootleg they put up. This is just a brutal idea. Why wouldn't they have spent the time to mix the soundboards and put out worthwhile releases. That would make them a hell of a lot more money. But of course it's easier and cheaper to use already prepared bootlegs and throw them on the internet. |
John S Stuart 22.10.2004 19:40 |
Deacon Fan... Revisited: "For what it's worth, they've announced that the price was wrong.. they're actually 5 pounds each..." So it worked! According to GB (I can't find the exact quote but it was along the lines of "QZ was insignificant... 0.000001% of the total Queen community) but within a few hours - and a few mails on THIS site - it seems that they have had a change of heart. Is it more than a coincidence? If it is... It's still not f*cking good enough! |
wstüssyb 22.10.2004 19:43 |
lets bitch some more, fuck the bootlegs, soundboard is what is needed |
FredMerBul 22.10.2004 19:56 |
What do u think bros? Not good enough? An MP3 is 128kb; that must sounds better than the sample. What do u think? Remember, they never offer anything different - but boots. But...Yes: QP, we wanna (and deserve) better things than this! |
deleted user 22.10.2004 20:12 |
Shame on Queen Production! You're doing anything for your fans, you're just offending those who know enough to understand that all you're selling is pure CRAP! You just think about money making, though we are "serving" you so well along the years... I wonder when all this will stop: brian may talking about orbs on his site, queen official archivist offending fans on a pubblic forum, qp (probably buying and) selling bad quality worse copies than the ones they already own... When is all this shame gonna end? In days like these, it seems like our beloved Freddie left us 100 years ago... |
The Fairy King 22.10.2004 20:52 |
weak... |
Libor2 22.10.2004 21:18 |
Well, first I'd say I'm impressed they did it. I never trusted Queen put officialy bootlegs on their site. My mistake - I was wrong. But, after closer look to it, I found it's really nothing special. Definitely not soundboard, quality the same as it is on existing bootlegs. I could understand this, if it'd be for free. Well, maybe. But for 5 pounds ? Hmm, I bought a few days before Yes CDs. Not bootlegs, but official studio CD's from 70's - remastered with bonuses (for example - on Tormato there are 9 bonuses, on Drama 10 bonuses - B-sides, unreleased or demo songs!- almost 80 min. music). Every CD is with enhanced booklet - some photos, some text about the CD and, of course, lyrics. All in all - extraordinary fine edition. And do you know what ? Every CD cost approx. 5 pounds too. - Well, I know Yes are a little bit old and out of interest for a lot of people. But comparing it with QP offer ... For the same prize (5 pounds) I'm allowed to download audience recorded concert myself, with 128 kb MP3 quality (?), without artwork... Sorry, I'm long years Queen fan, but I'm not crazy. I don't know what to say to this. And, as I wanna be decent, I'll rather shut up. |
Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 22.10.2004 21:19 |
Pim Derks wrote: I wonder if they let people pay for bootlegquality versions first and then in 6 months time, when they earned enough money, roll out the concerts from the archives "now available - soundboard recordings!".....EXACTLY! :/ |
Adam Baboolal 22.10.2004 21:53 |
I love this comment from wstussyb... "who are these bootleg experts?" And then says... "I know some ppl who know a lot more then who these are..." - ? Btw PG, do you not think it's better to put your money in trusted (mostly) hands, rather than some unknown bootleggers? Trade fairs are great, but the illegal people are not who I'd be happy going to. Mainly because the bad folk use it to fund real crime. The only positive points are that and the price. No matter what people say, it's still a lot cheaper than the ones I see at the fairs. Of course, if they get their finger out, they'll go one better and use the soundboards. But then, after reading Justin's notes on the work done for the MK dvd, it IS a lot to ask. Because they'd no doubt, want to remix it like MK, and it would take lots and lots of time. And adding artwork? They'd have to sit and make up 100 covers, etc. And then, I'd bet, fans would get picky about that too! Just look at the thread about the MK dvd cover. Still a shame these bootlegs are mp3. "Liquid Scream: Why wouldn't they have spent the time to mix the soundboards and put out worthwhile releases." What do you think the dvd releases are? See how much time they can take to come to frution? At least we know they're trying to get some of these things out there. DON'T expect soundboard downloads because it won't happen. And what I mean by that is that they'd want to spend the time on it to make it come out right. Like I said above, the mixing and editing would take years to cover the top 100. It's just not realistic. And considering how riled up fans are about the musical and delaying the boxsets, is that really something you'd want delayed even more? Sure, some remixed stuff would be cool. But still, I'll hold out for the bigger ideas. Peace, Adam. |
TruePar 22.10.2004 22:19 |
When I heard QP were going to do this, I thought brilliant...I can get my hands on some fantastic sounding concerts, and built up my catalogue. Well, I was wrong. Last year I went to a Barenaked Ladies concert. Within 6 months, that concert was available to download (in whole) on their site. $15 got me 3 downloads of the concert (either chopped up into tracks, or one single track) and a .pdf of a CD cover and insert....They did'nt tweak or enhanced it, they just used the soundboard.... Performance mistakes and all. It's F'kn great! I think QP have really missed the boat this time, and I think the results will tell the truth. And plus, why would I buy a concert when I can get it for free..... Wow..my fist post in a year...back to dwelling. |
wstüssyb 22.10.2004 22:25 |
Im sorry Adam, that you cant seems to grasp that the fact there is some ppl who are pretty popular and well known bootleg collectors. Do you for once, think I will be stupid enough to accept some unkown ppl grading stuff I been collecting for years and know enough ppl who are well known at this? Are you gonna buy something from a place you never heard of, but they say they are the best? or are you gonna buy something from ppl you trust who say these ppl are great at what they do and you see that they are? Dont try to bring your petty bullshit with me. So far I see you post nothing but bullshit to quite a few ppl. Oh yea, drop that fucking Peace comment, you are only here to strive on shitty comments. |
Adam Baboolal 22.10.2004 22:52 |
Did you not see that I wasn't taking a swipe at you? I thought your comment was funny! Peace, Adam. |
YourValentine 22.10.2004 22:52 |
"No matter what people say, it's still a lot cheaper than the ones I see at the fairs." You don't see a licence to download mp3s at fairs. At fairs you buy audio CDs, mostly with a cover, case and often factory pressed. 5 GBP are not cheap for an mp3 download, believe me. I know people who buy from online bootleggers and they pay 5 USD per concert including shipping. I am not supporting the selling of bootlegs but QOL should at least have their facts correct when they enter the bootleg market. Selling bootlegs to the fans and keeping the soundboard recordings in the safes is sure a "world first" but nothing to be proud of and to claim that Freddie would call this "Creme de la Creme" is just disgusting |
joeyjojo 22.10.2004 23:47 |
Wow...this is pathetic. What's the market for audience-recorded bootlegs? Die hard fans. Do die hard fans already buy all official releases? Yes. Do they already have all of the bootlegs? Many do. Do bootlegs hurt Queen's bottom line? Not at all. Are they filthy rich as it is? Yes. So what's the point? To make them now illegal to trade? Yeesh. This is just dumb, dumb, dumb. |
joeyjojo 22.10.2004 23:59 |
I just realized their site doesn't work in Firefox and the the only fileformat is WMA. Ha! I don't think so. |
Adam Baboolal 23.10.2004 00:24 |
Hey joeyjojo, I'm using Firefox and it works. What version have you got? Peace, Adam. |
Shane Jazz 23.10.2004 01:12 |
What caused the sudden price reduction? Did Queen Productions read some of the initial reaction from fans and decide to basically cut the price in half? Either way, despite all of the obvious shortcomings, I'm pleased. |
Liquid Scream 23.10.2004 04:04 |
Adam, I'm not talking about releasing 100 soundboard recordings, I realize mixing them takes time. I would prefer having only a couple of unreleased soundboards a year instead of 36 to 48 bootlegs a year most of which we have already. This venture is nothing more than a time saving money grab! You can't tell me they could only have time to prepare the Milton Keynes DVD and CD in one year. Surely if they can find these so called bootleg experts Frank Hazenberg, Andreas Voigts and Frank Palstra they could probably dig up some expert wannabe studio engineers to fix up these complete soundboard recordings Queen Productions apparently have. |
Richard Orchard 23.10.2004 04:26 |
i think it would have been good to make it a not-for-profit affair. Since the whole point was to out bootleg the bootleggers, making the releases as cheap as possible would make more sense. |
Hank H. 23.10.2004 05:41 |
So Brian complains about the WWRY DVD quality, right? And now they sell bootlegs. What a HYPOCRITE. Anyway, can anyone explain to me how it is possible to officially sell illegal recordings? Isn't it illegal as well? And Adam, I think QP is big enough to employ enough people to remix or at least to fix more than one concert a year. |
Magik 23.10.2004 06:13 |
I am satisfied in amount ... |
joeyjojo 23.10.2004 07:43 |
Adam...I can't get the navigation to render in Firefox on either my Mac nor my PC. It's moot anyways...I'll never buy music in WMA format. Rather useless format for iPod users...or those who find DRM a pain to begin with. |
Queenland 23.10.2004 07:50 |
Months ago I suggested to QP (via GB) that they would sell REMASTERED SOUNDBOARDS on limited edition PRESSED CDs in order do make DEFINITIVE upgrades available to the serious collector. What they are offering I already have on original pressed CDs with printed artwork, and better sound (uncompressed). Not interested at all on this. |
coops 23.10.2004 09:24 |
I just downloaded a show and am not too pleased with the quality. I know they are bootlegs and not soundboards, but I expected more. Also, how do you burn these to a disc? |
Hitman 23.10.2004 11:01 |
nah i'm not going to buy and download bootlegs from queenonline. too expensive, useless and definately it is not something new. it would be so easy to make me buy something from "queen"...simply make a good new song :) |
Penis - Vagina 23.10.2004 11:29 |
coops wrote: Also, how do you burn these to a disc?I'm no expert nor do I have a licensed file to confirm this, but I seem to recall that it's required that you use Media Player to burn the tracks. Under File > Copy > Copy to audio CD That's another thing I hate about licensed downloads. You're paying in some cases as much as you would for a CD to do with what you want.. yet you're restricted and don't actually seem to OWN what you've paid for. Unless of course it does allow for CD burning, after which you can extract the audio and do with it what you want anyway.. so their idiotic attempts at control are pointless. I got a free download from McDonald's awhile back for Sony Connect. So I went to all this trouble of installing their software, changing my internet settings, and downloaded the track I chose.. only to find it wasn't even licensed for burning! So the McDonald's ad stating that 'you own it' was a flat lie. However I simply recorded the sound directly from my sound card whilst playing the file through their idiotic interface, and voila! I actually did own it, plus I was able to process my .wav a bit to compensate for the muddy, compressed sound of the downloaded file. |
Penetration_Guru 23.10.2004 17:34 |
Adam, I diagree with you. Scanning the original ticket stub would take about a minute. 3 per month doesn't seeme like hard work in order to generate show-specific artwork. Even tour specific artwork would be reasonably easy (Richard Gray isn't busy on any other projects at the moment, and could probably come up with something reasonable in about half an hour). In addition, artwork was part of the originally promised package. If it hadn't been, I wouldn't see the lack of it as such a negative point. If you deliver less than you promise, people will be disappointed. With reference to your points about remastering/remixing/tweaking, wouldn't a "naked" mix straight off the out-front sound (which is what the archived soundboard recording will be, given that it would have been used by the band to assess their overall performance ) be preferable (to the band, as well as us) to a random low-fi recording made by someone not necessarily standing in the optimum spot (and possibly surrounded by rather more sing-alongers than would be preferable)? |
Adam Baboolal 23.10.2004 20:49 |
Liquid Scream: "Surely if they can find these so called bootleg experts Frank Hazenberg, Andreas Voigts and Frank Palstra they could probably dig up some expert wannabe studio engineers to fix up these complete soundboard recordings Queen Productions apparently have." As demonstrated by Zeni, it's about trust. She explained her feelings about these bootleg experts. Otherwise, why don't they have more than a handful of trusted in-house people to engineer the recordings? And surely you're not serious about this remark, "You can't tell me they could only have time to prepare the Milton Keynes DVD and CD in one year." Who here knows how much time they have, cause I don't know. Ask how long it took the idea to go from talks to final product. We can only speculate after-all. Hank H.: "And Adam, I think QP is big enough to employ enough people to remix or at least to fix more than one concert a year." Again, I'll point towards the trust factor. Something I should've mentioned is also Brian/Roger being able to interact with those entrusted with the tracks. To get to know them and feel that they can leave most of it up to them. It's not just about getting the stuff out of the vaults and asking any old qualified person to fix them up. Every engineer sounds different. Justin is a long-trusted individual whom they must get on with and trust with their work. Why do you think Radiohead like going back to Nigel Godrich? They get on well and work together well. PG: "Scanning the original ticket stub would take about a minute." Well that's a good idea. Simple and nice to look at. Even a simple backplate picture with the tracklisting would be good. But I still think my point about fans being picky with artwork would still be the same. Btw, do they have every single ticket stub they ever made? Just curious. "In addition, artwork was part of the originally promised package." I didn't know that. I just remember someone posting the 100 bootlegs rumour on here a little while ago. So, I didn't realise that there were specific ideas. Then just a couple of days ago it appeared out of nowhere! As for your point about the soundboards... Yes, it would be nice to just have the soundboards released for download in that sense. But I for one wouldn't enjoy a "naked" mix as you call it. When you say "Naked," are you referring to Beatles Let It Be - Naked? Hopefully not as it's not the same thing. Personally, I find a dry soundboard recording to be a bit hum drum. The Final Live In Japan85 bootleg is a soundboard recording and it shows why a raw recording can be worse than an audience recording. Time needs to be spent to get the levels right, at least, and that will need done. We all know how Brian can be about something like this - he'd make sure it would be done right. But I'll say it again. If you want something more from these download ideas, then contact them in some way and make your ideas heard. The worst is that they don't respond or couldn't give a monkeys! I don't care about QP. But I care about the band. True, hard to separate at times. But at least we know what WE want, right? Peace, Adam. |
Over My Head 24.10.2004 03:09 |
I appreciate all the problems people have but I'm afraid I'll probably end up downloading them. My area seems to be strangely isolated for boots. As I only have 2-3 very common boots to trade so I can't get any that way, my firewall prevents me from getting all the great BitTorrent files on this site and the record fair near me has one bootleg guy who (Queenwise) only has 'A Day At The Stadium' and the soundtrack to the We Will Rock You VHS. Therefore if I have the chance to get hold of these, I'll probably have to put aside prejudices and take 'em. |
riku_queencdr 24.10.2004 04:54 |
I must finally comment on these bizarre things that have been happening in the Queen world lately. I won't say anything about Greg Brooks. I think we all know that this bloke is not worth of any comment after his incredible attack on YV. I think the only wind up is himself. (Yes, you can call me now an anonymous prick by all means..) This bootleg thing is a freaking joke. Audience recordings are only for die hard fans. These will not attract the masses. QP will only try to squeeze as much money with this project as possible but they will be left with only little. They MUST know that a common fan is not interested in audience recordings with screaming girls and lot of handclapping. Also, most die hard collectors do not want mp3 sourced shows when you can easily have these on audio CD from other traders or download in FLAC from DC hubs. They will not be buying these either. William could have not said it better. Who are these bootleg experts!?!? They don't know that Last Stand boot is definitely not the "creme" of this particular show. It is "The Last Concert in Japan", period. If these shows are compiled by experts, they should know what are the best bootlegs in the market. Another thing, Gypsy Eye releases are NOT the best sounding boots. For those who have GE's Montreal 78 or Vienna May 12th 82 shows, you can clearly hear the remastering job was done poorly. There is extra hiss and the sound is much too sharp. If you buy the earlier Montreal 78 release by Continental label (cat no. CSCD 10005) and fix the pitch, you will have a wonderful recording of this excellent show. If they include couple of shows from each tour, there could have not been a worse choice than "Jazz Final". Both Osaka 79 shows beat this Sapporo show anytime soundweise. Also Tokyo, April 14th 1979. Also, instead of "Life is Real" I would have picked Chicago 82 or Boston 82. Both have better sound and performance-weise there is no much difference. I have no idea why QP wants to stay behind the other bands. When they say they are the first to do this kind of bootleg offer, who do they try to fool?? Other bands are offering soundboard recordings with a perfect sound as FLAC and for nearly the same price. I wouldn't pay single cent for an mp3 sourced audience recording. If they offered soundboard recordings of these same shows in FLAC, I would buy each and every show. Actually, that is the only way to kill the bootleggers business. If you can buy a show with a perfect soundboard sound, who would buy these audience recordings from bootleggers anymore?? |
YourValentine 24.10.2004 07:02 |
Well, Riku, we have to admit it's a first that a band offers their hardcore fan basis poor quality mp3 boots to download for a ridiculous price:) I have never heard that from any other artist. Btw, there is a poll running on the QOL message board. Maybe we should all vote there. |
riku_queencdr 24.10.2004 09:32 |
What's the link to the poll? I never visit QOL message board.. |
Mr. Scully 24.10.2004 10:28 |
It's so funny that it's almost sad - how Queen try to squeeze as much money with as little effort as possible. Wanna destroy the bootleggers (without whom the recordings wouldn't exist at all at first place)? Then make the recordings available for free. Wanna make some money? Then release the soundboard recordings. What's so difficult to understand? I can imagine this project is meant as a help to some less intelligent people who buy some factory-pressed shit on bootleg market and then wonder why it's such a bad quality with such a strange mixed tracklist. But besides this it's completely worthless. |
Negative Creep 24.10.2004 12:16 |
Soundboards.... when people refer to a soundboard recording, they are usually referring to a 2 track stereo recording direct from the soundboard/mixing desk, not a 16/24 track recording - it is NOT possible to remix them. They can only remaster them. Also, chances are they would have set up an ambience mic to give them a more natural sound (atleast later peiod gigs anyway) as opposed to some soundboard recording that are just what is fed into the desk. I think most people would be more happy with a raw mixing desk recording of an early 70's gig than a 20th generation cassette dub. They wouldn't require enormous amounts of work like some people are suggesting. |
Benn 24.10.2004 17:49 |
What astounds me is that some people are STILL shocked by the fact that QPL are charging for this stuff. This is the company that has re-issues the ENTIRE back catalogue on CD no less than 6 times on CD already. That's without taking in to account The Platinum Collection and Queen Rocks etc. The fact is that Mr. Beach is probably having to continue to finance some kind of debt within the organisation or even perhaps justify certain people's continued existance within the QPL organisation and therefore it is required that QPL comes up with as many different ways of milking the old Cash Cow as possible. To be quite honest, it's laughable that there has been so much fanfair over the download availability, when the real issue of the horizon remaining empty on the "Anthology" front remains. After having been a loyal Queen fan for 20-odd years, NOTHING AT ALL amazes me about QPL - after all, what did we get in '84 as b-sides (other than the GREAT "I Go Crazy")? The tracks from the album; just incase we didn't go out and buy The Works......... |
Lester Burnham 24.10.2004 17:51 |
I don't think we're necessarily shocked that they're charging, but we're shocked that they're charging for shit-quality downloads, and nothing else. |
The Real Wizard 24.10.2004 18:13 |
riku_queencdr wrote: What's the link to the poll? I never visit QOL message board..I'm there very occasionally... I can't seem to find the link either. Can someone post it? (hi Riku... long time no see!) |
fairydandy 24.10.2004 18:16 |
Sir GH<br><font size=1>ah yeah</font> wrote:Sure:riku_queencdr wrote: What's the link to the poll? I never visit QOL message board..Same here... but I can't seem to find the link, anyway. Can someone post it? (hi Riku... long time no see!) link It makes grim reading so far for QP. |
YourValentine 24.10.2004 18:18 |
link that's the poll - I don't know if you have to be registered to vote, it's conducted by a fan. |
QueenSite 24.10.2004 19:04 |
It's not even an original idea. Frank Zappa published the "Beat the boots" series over 25 years ago,republishing the best sounding bootlegs about him, but at least they were real albums with real artworks. Dear Queen, why not entering "The Music"? See the Who/Peter Gabriel/Duran Duran encore series: link These are REAL cds and worthy. I don't want to pay money for mp3s of average quality. |
riku_queencdr 25.10.2004 06:39 |
Hi Bob, yes long time no see :) It seems that I need to register if I want to vote so I won't bother. I'm not planning to post there anyways.. |
Mr. Scully 26.10.2004 02:59 |
"The fact is that Mr. Beach is probably having to continue to finance some kind of debt" I doubt that :-) Have you seen the income of Queen Productions? Just the dividends from the shares are a hell lot of money. |