| gabriel79 15.10.2004 07:18 |
was freddie 's lover or his book is full of lies? |
| deleted user 15.10.2004 08:06 |
I don't know, I think he makes things a bit more "jazzed" up than they actually were, I also don't think that Freddie would appreciate Jim talking about his personal life like he does. |
| Hairy Rump 15.10.2004 08:12 |
yes, jim haton lies he have big nsoe it getbigger everytime he lie and it is BIG!!!! he never freddies luva.. he just a gardener. don't beliiv teh hype. Freddie was not gay he luved women okay, got taht assholes??? |
| deleted user 15.10.2004 08:20 |
What country are you origanaly from hairy Rump? I think your english is a bit poor to be from the U.S |
| Penis - Vagina 15.10.2004 08:28 |
Yes Jim was Freddie's lover. He wouldn't be in Freddie's official 'The Untold Story' claiming such if not. He can also be seen in the making of One Vision, in Freddie's video for 'Living On My Own' and other documentaries. And no, his book does not give any explicit details of their sex life. And no, the book is mostly chronological, doesn't jump around to different times like Freestone's does. Just wanted to clear up some bullshit that's been spreading around here lately. |
| Hairy Rump 15.10.2004 08:56 |
Mrs.Badguy wrote: What country are you origanaly from hairy Rump? I think your english is a bit poor to be from the U.Soriganaly... wee all make mizstakes. luv Rumpy Pumpy |
| Oberon 15.10.2004 09:23 |
Mrs.Badguy wrote: What country are you origanaly from hairy Rump? I think your english is a bit poor to be from the U.SI think it's quite good for an american... |
| gabriel79 15.10.2004 09:27 |
today i've read a site where it says that freddie was not gay and jim hutton has not aids cause he'still alive.magic johnson is still alive too and he's got aids...unfortunately.in this site it read that freddie didn't take cocaine.i think they'ra a lot of bullshit but somehow it makes me doubt about a lot of thing.anyway,that guy must be crazy |
| Scirocco1977 15.10.2004 09:42 |
Magic Johnson doesn't have aids... he has the HI virus but isn't affected. |
| deleted user 15.10.2004 10:58 |
Oberon wrote:yeh, no thats fine, i was just wondering !Mrs.Badguy wrote: What country are you origanaly from hairy Rump? I think your english is a bit poor to be from the U.SI think it's quite good for an american... me xXx |
| gabriel79 15.10.2004 11:25 |
Scirocco1977 wrote: Magic Johnson doesn't have aids... he has the HI virus but isn't affected.ok,man i made a mistake |
| gabriel79 15.10.2004 11:26 |
i've read allthe site.that man must be mad.he said that freddie was murdered!!!!!!! |
| gabriel79 15.10.2004 11:49 |
the only thing on which i agree whit this mad mad is that mary houstin is a fuckin' bitch |
| Lester Burnham 15.10.2004 11:52 |
Hey guys, what's going on in this thread? |
| gabriel79 15.10.2004 11:59 |
Lester Burnham wrote: Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?what ia a "thread"? sorry,i am italian |
| Roger_in_Tigerskin_Trousers 16.10.2004 06:02 |
Oberon wrote:lolMrs.Badguy wrote: What country are you origanaly from hairy Rump? I think your english is a bit poor to be from the U.SI think it's quite good for an american... |
| Roger_in_Tigerskin_Trousers 16.10.2004 06:03 |
How many of us Queenzoners like Jim Hutton? I don't |
| gabriel79 16.10.2004 07:23 |
i do |
| Giacco 73 16.10.2004 09:22 |
I like Jim Hutton and his book too. |
| Brianmay1975 16.10.2004 09:56 |
gabriel79 wrote:Thread = subject, topic, discussion.Lester Burnham wrote: Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?what ia a "thread"? sorry,i am italian |
| Brianmay1975 16.10.2004 10:02 |
Roger_in_Tigerskin_Trousers wrote: How many of us Queenzoners like Jim Hutton? I don'tWell, I do. I like him and I like the way he talks about Freddie, as the love of his life. At least, he says he loved Freddie and I wish it was true, cos Freddie really deserved somebody to love him and stay with him until the end. And you can't say Jim did otherwise, he was there right up until the night Freddie died. And I do believe Jim loved Freddie. If he hadn't, then why wouldn't he have walked out on him when he learned his lover had AIDS? |
| Mr. Scully 16.10.2004 10:06 |
How can you like or dislike Jim without knowing him personally? How many of you have met him more than once, twice at the Convention? It's obvious he made some real major mistakes in the past (Freddie wouldn't have wanted the whole world reading details about his personal life or watching him in the bath) but he was Freddie's lover and Freddie loved him. |
| Brianmay1975 16.10.2004 10:20 |
Mr. Scully wrote: How can you like or dislike Jim without knowing him personally? How many of you have met him more than once, twice at the Convention?You can catch a glimpse of somebody's person reading what he wrote (I can tell you, I'm a writer too). But you're right, it's hard to say whether you like him or not, without knowing him personally. But I like him the way I get to know him by the book... It's obvious he made some real major mistakes in the past (Freddie wouldn't have wanted the whole world reading details about his personal life or watching him in the bath) but he was Freddie's lover and Freddie loved him.I don't know if Freddie cares anymore for that (in case there's an afterlife, if not, then it really doesn't matter). Anyway, it doesn't affect him anymore. At least, it's written with love and I like it better than the other Freddie books. Don't come up please with smth like: how do you know he loves Freddie? His writings leave this feeling, after reading. As a writer, I know that, in order, to make someone feel that you were in love with somebody, by reading what you wrote, either you must be gifted and create beautifully an impression (as the great writers do), either you must deeply feel something. And if you feel it with all your heart, even if it's not well written, the reader may get to share your feelings. And Jim is definitely a bad writer... So I guess he did love Freddie. |
| gabriel79 16.10.2004 12:42 |
<font color="red">Brianmay1975 wrote:thank u,mategabriel79 wrote:Thread = subject, topic, discussion.Lester Burnham wrote: Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?what ia a "thread"? sorry,i am italian |
| rendezvous 16.10.2004 16:07 |
I don't like or dislike him because I don't know him, but I don't think he should publish the private life of Freddie, especailly he knows how Freddie loathed that. Yeah, that shows how much he LOVES Freddie!!! Also, this is just one side of the story coz we don't know if all the details in this book are true. He might be Freddie's last love, but how do we know whether he twisted or distorted something or not. Freddie can't defend himself right now. Sometimes, authors or story tellers tend to exaggerate some incidents to make the stories interesting. So there is no way we can decide if the book is 100% accurate. Don't get me wrong. It's an interesting read though. My point is don't believe 100% what you read or hear. Always use your judgement to analyze the information you receive. And that's my two cents. |
| lovequeen 16.10.2004 16:57 |
Of course you can't say it's the 100% truth in the general point of view, but I do think it's the 100% truth to Jim. It's his point of view on how things went and how he felt about Freddie and their relationship. Anyone who was involved in any of those matters Jim writes about would tell some things differently. I can't say whether I like Jim or not based on reading his book a couple of times. I just don't think he should be criticized for telling HIS story of his life with Freddie. |
| deleted user 16.10.2004 17:13 |
Jim is the last lover. That is it. |
| Brianmay1975 17.10.2004 05:25 |
lovequeen wrote: I just don't think he should be criticized for telling HIS story of his life with Freddie.I agree. It's not only Freddie's life, it's Jim's life too. It's his memories and he's got the right to do whatever he wants with them, as long as they don't harm Freddie in any way. And they stopped doing harm to Freddie 13 years ago. Oh and if Jim doesn't find offensive to himself that other people should know his private life details, then he probably doesn't think he's doing smth wrong to Freddie, by writing about them. After all, these memories belong to him as well as they belonged to Freddie, so if he wanna talk about them, you know, it's his right to... |
| the oppositionist 17.10.2004 08:05 |
Hairy Rump wrote: yes, jim haton lies he have big nsoe it getbigger everytime he lie and it is BIG!!!! he never freddies luva.. he just a gardener. don't beliiv teh hype. Freddie was not gay he luved women okay, got taht assholes???Good god.... |
| debby 17.10.2004 09:38 |
I read the book and it seems to me true and reliable; the described picture of freddie is simple, sweet and generous, just like I think he was. |
| Sonja 17.10.2004 11:42 |
I can't say that I like or dislike Jim Hutton either. I didn't really like the book, although it does give insight in Freddie's private life but the way it's written is rather boring I think without too much emotion. What I think is that Jim was a) lucky to have met Freddie or better to have been "found" by Freddie because I think his life in Garden Lodge was by far much better than the life he had before and a whole new world was open to him and he got to see places like Japan where he probably would never have gone to without Freddie and b) on the other hand I think Jim must have been very very patient because I don't think it was easy to live with someone like Freddie who was used to fame and fortune and everybody doing what he wanted and/or ordered and he could get quite bitchy about things, especially when things didn't go the way he wanted them to. and c) I think Jim is lucky that he's still alive and well thanks to progress in medicine. This is what comes to my mind when I think of Jim Hutton. |
| Introducing_Christina Lauren 17.10.2004 15:05 |
Roger_in_Tigerskin_Trousers wrote: How many of us Queenzoners like Jim Hutton? I don'tsub-question who gives a damn about jim hutton? -Christina :) |
| Sieren 17.10.2004 16:28 |
I agree with BrianMay1975 |
| Sonja 17.10.2004 17:43 |
<font color="red">Brianmay1975 wrote:Fact is though that it's not only HIS life but also the life of a rock legend who hated it when his private life was discussed in public.lovequeen wrote: I just don't think he should be criticized for telling HIS story of his life with Freddie.I agree. It's not only Freddie's life, it's Jim's life too. It's his memories and he's got the right to do whatever he wants with them, as long as they don't harm Freddie in any way. And they stopped doing harm to Freddie 13 years ago. Oh and if Jim doesn't find offensive to himself that other people should know his private life details, then he probably doesn't think he's doing smth wrong to Freddie, by writing about them. After all, these memories belong to him as well as they belonged to Freddie, so if he wanna talk about them, you know, it's his right to... And come on, if it was about Jim's life, who would have cared if Freddie Mercury hadn't been in it? So it IS mainly about Freddie cos otherwise no one would ever have known Jim Hutton. I just think that Jim's done something against Freddie's will. Freddie wouldn't have been happy to know that his lover made details of their love life public and what's even worse is that he gave away details about Freddie's illness. And Freddie had his reasons why he never talked about his illness until 24 hours before he died. And another thing that annoys me in the book is that Jim sort of puts Mary Austin down. She was Freddie's best friend and she was above all of his other friends and lovers. |
| Brianmay1975 18.10.2004 12:44 |
Sonja wrote: And another thing that annoys me in the book is that Jim sort of puts Mary Austin down. She was Freddie's best friend and she was above all of his other friends and lovers.Well, it's rather normal that he puts Mary down. After all, she kinda threw him out of Garden Lodge and obviously he didn't like it at all. Besides that, I also think it's a matter of jealousy, Jim was perhaps not very happy with Mary around to remind him of Freddie's past. I guess no one is very keen on his lover's ex-lovers... Then Mary suggested taking off the wedding ring he gave to Freddie. Maybe Mary didn't mean it or indeed just feared Freddie's finger would swell up, but Jim must have felt offensed by her words. I think he took it as a personal matter ("oooh jealousy"...). I can't blame him for not liking Mary and I kinda have the feeling Mary doesn't like him either... |
| bama 18.12.2013 09:29 |
Jim Hutton's book is basically full of lies. His book is filled with contradictions. I can point out a lot of them, I have done quite some research on Freddie's life and I find his book very insulting on every level. Best, B.M |
| Thistle 18.12.2013 11:47 |
^ With all due respect, I think it a tad odd that a "new" user has specifically dug THIS thread from almost a decade ago to add such a claim, without substantiating said claim. What's even more odd, however, is the state of some minds on here: some of the comments, even if years ago, are really bizarre. The place is an effing nuthouse!! |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 18.12.2013 23:11 |
I think Jim was a good man. Roger Taylor said it, Mack also...a lot of people, but he had the mistake to publish that book being angry. |
| thomasquinn 32989 19.12.2013 04:15 |
Asses who dig up topics that are NINE YEARS OLD and contribute NOTHING useful should be instantly banned. And that's only because I'm slightly (just slightly) too civilized to want to have them shot. |
| Thistle 19.12.2013 10:52 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: Asses who dig up topics that are NINE YEARS OLD and contribute NOTHING useful should be instantly banned. And that's only because I'm slightly (just slightly) too civilized to want to have them shot.I've been desensitised to cilvility. SHOOT! SHOOT! SHOOT! |
| brENsKi 19.12.2013 12:18 |
bama wrote: Jim Hutton's book is basically full of lies. His book is filled with contradictions. I can point out a lot of them, I have done quite some research on Freddie's life and I find his book very insulting on every level. Best, B.M publish your (ahem) "research" then...rather than hiding behind sweeping statements |
| Thistle 19.12.2013 12:37 |
brENsKi wrote: publish your (ahem) "research" then...rather than hiding behind sweeping statementsAnd BOOM goes the dynamite..... |
| david82 25.12.2013 07:45 |
I learnt from this book many important details about Freddie which I had no concept of. And it changed my view of him. But IMHO in many moment Jim assigns himself a too big role. He thought that he was for Freddie much more important person than Mary. This was a mistake. That's why I prefer a Phoebe's book because He (Phoebe) has much more respect for Freddie, than Jim. |