QueenZone discussion #404782
Queen's Success
| supernova190188 13.10.2004 14:14 |
How much do you think Freddie contributed to Queen's success? i mean if someone else was the songer how successful do you think Queen would have been as a band? |
| RainbowQ 13.10.2004 14:59 |
I think that without Freddie they would be successful, but not as much like they were with him. |
| PabloArg 13.10.2004 15:16 |
Just take the other members solist works. Add Smile and The Cross. Then substrate the Queen popularity. It's sad to say you´ll find almost nothing. |
| Whisperer 13.10.2004 15:25 |
Just look at what happened after 1991 and you'll see the answer. |
| deleted user 13.10.2004 16:02 |
Put it this way: Queen - Freddie= nothing Freddie - Queen= nothing Queen + Freddie= everything |
| Whisperer 13.10.2004 16:04 |
<font color="teal">bambam</font> wrote: Freddie - Queen= nothingSo untrue. Freddie could have become a huge star on his own if he had consentrated on his solo career. |
| brENsKi 13.10.2004 17:13 |
.........and if you want a perfect example for how lacking THEY are without Freddi...then you only have to look at what happened after his death.....their solo stuff became almost worthless and as a band ....nothing yet...take the who....ac/dc...lose a star but stay as big!!! freddie WAS queen, queen without freddie is smile...and that's fairly insignificant |
| Gunpowder Gelatine 13.10.2004 17:27 |
I think each member contributed something to the band. Some people think John's just the bassist, but he wrote one of their hugest hits. Without him, would The Game have been the success it was? If Queen had a different lineup, sure, they could've been successful, but it was the four members together that made it work so well. |
| LiveAidQueen 13.10.2004 17:53 |
There nothing without each other... |
| Giacco 73 13.10.2004 18:18 |
Why Queen is so successful? For Freddie's overall charisma,my dear! |
| Brian_Mays_Wig 13.10.2004 18:59 |
Whisperer wrote: Just look at what happened after 1991 and you'll see the answer.What does that mean??? Theyre still as big as ever! They aint toured for 18 years, but you can bet that when the DVD is released in the next few weeks that itll be straight in at number 1 - Worldwide! Queen will aways be big, so they are getting dragged through the mud by that poxy musical, but you can be that the music will live on alot longer that other artists from the same era! And by that, I mean, as a band, not just Brian And Roger. |
| deleted user 14.10.2004 02:09 |
Whisperer wrote:Do you honestly think, at the very beginning, Freddie would have taken off alone? He would just have been a queer illustrator, for all I care.<font color="teal">bambam</font> wrote: Freddie - Queen= nothingSo untrue. Freddie could have become a huge star on his own if he had consentrated on his solo career. |
| ready_freddie? 14629 14.10.2004 02:12 |
queen is nothing without freddie...but that goes the same with the other band members..its not queen without brian, roger, or john..take out any of those members and its 3 guys and nothing |
| Brian_Mays_Wig 14.10.2004 03:10 |
Thats crap! Can you imagine the amount of people that would be scrambling for tickets if Rog, Bri and John were to announce I tour??? I think it would be far from a flop. To say Queen are nothing without Freddie is bollocks. |
| FriedChicken 14.10.2004 03:18 |
i think he meant as a starting band |
| Brian_Mays_Wig 14.10.2004 03:24 |
FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: i think he meant as a starting bandsorry. *gets coat* |
| FriedChicken 14.10.2004 03:44 |
lol |
| iGSM 14.10.2004 04:29 |
< Yeah, that whole 'getting A.I.D.S and dieing' thing really fucked that up. I believe he could have done well solo. Look at Robbie 'I'm Slightly Gay' Williams. Take that Take That. |
| Whisperer 14.10.2004 05:50 |
<font color="whitesmoke">bambam</font> wrote:What I'm saying is that everyone except Freddie in the band could have been replaced with some other guy (it's a completely different question if they would have wanted to replace) and Queen would still be Queen. If you replace Freddie, Queen changes too much and isn't Queen anymore.Whisperer wrote:Do you honestly think, at the very beginning, Freddie would have taken off alone? He would just have been a queer illustrator, for all I care.<font color="teal">bambam</font> wrote: Freddie - Queen= nothingSo untrue. Freddie could have become a huge star on his own if he had consentrated on his solo career. I'm pretty sure that even B, R and J agree with me. |
| Sebastian 14.10.2004 07:14 |
> What does that mean??? Theyre still as big as ever! They aint toured for 18 years, but you can bet that when the DVD is released in the next few weeks that itll be straight in at number 1 - Worldwide! Yeah, but which songs do the DVD to be successful? Champions, Crazy Little Thing, and specially Bo Rhap. And who wrote those? Of course Queen would be much less famous without Rockyou (B), Radio (R) or Another One Bites (J), but still, Fred was the main hit composer. Let's check the singles from the band that reached top 10 in the UK: - Seven Seas (Fred) - Killer Queen / Flick Of The Wrist (Fred / Fred) - Bo Rhap (Fred) - Somebody To Love (Fred) - Champions / Rockyou (Fred / Brian) - Don't Stop Me Now (Fred) - Crazy Little Thing Called Love (Fred) - Another One Bites The Dust (John) - Flash's Theme (Brian) - Under Pressure (Fred) - Radio Ga Ga (Roger) - I Want To Break Free (John) - It's A Hard Life (Fred) - One Vision (Roger & Brian) - A Kind Of Magic (Roger) - I Want It All (Brian) - Breakthru (Roger & Freddie) - Innuendo (Freddie) - Bo Rhap / Days Of Our Lives (Fred / Rog) - Heaven For Everyone (Roger) - Let Me Live (Roger?) So, out of 21 top 10 hit singles in the UK, Mercury wrote 10.5: just as much as the other three combined. Remember also that Fred was who arranged Radio Ga Ga & A Kind Of Magic, and, according to Brian, was instrumental in the development of Another One Bites The Dust too. So there you go. |
| BrianRules 14.10.2004 07:57 |
I don't agree with Whisperer. Freddie was essential to the success of Queen, sure, but it was the sound of Brian's guitar that got me hooked on this band 30 years ago, and there was nobody out there like him. I don't agree that Brian could be easily replaced. He's one of a kind, just like Freddie. |
| Fenderek 14.10.2004 08:06 |
iGSM wrote: Yeah, that whole 'getting A.I.D.S and dieing' thing really fucked that up. I believe he could have done well solo. Look at Robbie 'I'm Slightly Gay' Williams. Take that Take That.LOL! |
| Scirocco1977 14.10.2004 10:04 |
Freddie was the frontman, and always symbolised the group Queen. In order to see Brian, you have had to see Fred first. All four were equally important to the group. Not only musically, but also concerning creative input. But Fred gave the band publicity. Put Queen on the cover of a CD, and people will buy it. Look at Heaven for everyone from Cross... and compare it with Queen's version. It is a great song, but it needed the name Queen. |
| mamamia 14.10.2004 15:56 |
Freddie was the right person to sing with the group, nothing can compare to that amazing voice. his sound fitted perfectly with the rest of the band's sound. there will never ever be anyone else like him, and he could never be replaced. |
| FredMerBul 14.10.2004 18:11 |
Freddie is (or was?) the best ever. Brian+John+Roger-FREDDIE. Nice, but SOMETHING or SOMEONE is missing, don´t you think? FREDDIE-Brian-John-Roger. Also very nice (Freddie´s Solo Collection)...but...it is a little (I´d say a bigger) incomplete. Mmm...I just can´t think of a world without QUEEN. Do you?? What a boring place... Brian said: "Queen is better than anyone of us" And, yes, Queen was better than anyone of them. Don´t you think? |
| joeyjojo 14.10.2004 19:47 |
" How much do you think Freddie contributed to Queen's success?" I'd say that he contributed roughly 25%. |
| Scirocco1977 15.10.2004 04:15 |
LOL... 25% By the way, that is exactly what Queen wanted to stress with the varying order of their names on the albums. It was Fred, Brian, Rog and John; then it was John, Brian, Rog and Fred etc... It is just something I realized years ago and liked this idea of showing the equal importance of the members. |
| Scirocco1977 15.10.2004 04:20 |
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| The Real Wizard 15.10.2004 11:36 |
<font color=green>Bren</font><font color=red>ski wrote: their solo stuff became almost worthlessYou'll find a lot of people who will disagree with you there. freddie WAS queen, queen without freddie is smile...So then tracks like I'm In Love With My Car and Good Company are crap? |
| Lester Burnham 15.10.2004 11:48 |
Silly gooses (geeses? meeces)! Queen was nothing without Tim Staffell. That's where all their success came from. |
| brENsKi 15.10.2004 15:59 |
nobdoy anywhere said IILWMY or GC were crap....what is being said is thta ALL queen songs needed the "freddie effect" to make them work....the best examples of Freddie improving songs are too much love and heaven for everyone...they were fine songs without him...but much improved for his "touch"....wasn't it Roger who said that Freddie messed with One Vision.....my opinion...he made it into a complete rock song |
| Roger_in_Tigerskin_Trousers 16.10.2004 05:56 |
- Under Pressure (Fred) Didn't David bowie write this |
| Sebastian 16.10.2004 06:27 |
I'm In Love with My Car had Fred at the piano, so it has them all. Sleeping On The Sidewalk and some others demonstrate that Roger, Brian and John could move on great by themselves, I agree. But none of those were successful, which is what this thread is about. For the same effect Bijou, Nevermore and some others aren't bad either, but most of the band's hits had all four. Some didn't: Who Wants To Live Forever doesn't have John as far as I know. Under Pressure is essentially Freddie's according to what John said in an interview in France 1984. But yes David Bowie did contribute a lot in the lyrics and melody so in a way Fred & David would be a more accurate credit. |
| Lord Blackadder 16.10.2004 09:37 |
They still would have been a success, but maybe a differant type of success. They wouldn't have had Bohemian Rhapsody and that stuff, but their frontman might have wrote another ground breaking song. Brian is a truly great guitarist, John has a certain way that he plays, and Roger is a great rock drummer, and together these 3 were and are great, great musicians. I have no doubt they would be a success, but Freddie was something special. There Can Only Be One... |
| brENsKi 16.10.2004 10:00 |
have to disagree on one point: John would not ahve been in the band if Freddie hadn't have joined. basically the band would have been an evolution of Smile...which may well have completely bypassed john....in fact smeen/quile may well have ended up with a permanent bass-playing frontman |
| Sebastian 16.10.2004 10:38 |
Fred didn't join the band. Fred, Rog and Brian had no band in that moment, so they founded one. |
| brENsKi 16.10.2004 17:00 |
all i was saying was that queen was an evolution of smile - staffell departed to join humpy bong, and may/taylor were joined by mercury..... this merely underlines my original point - two thirds of smile are joined by freddie...if he hadn't joined then john probably would not have joined (later) either...and so the band would have been some other form of smile - which is exactly what i said above |
| Sebastian 16.10.2004 23:14 |
For that effect, if Fred & Brian & Roger hadn'T decided to form a new band it's also possible that Roger & Brian would go their separate ways. Or that Brian would dedicate to astronomy. |