| PabloArg 11.10.2004 21:15 |
Hot space was almost taken as a forgotten (if not hated) piece of work during all Queen lifetime, and Under pressure was seen as the only correct piece of the album. But just during 14 years. In 1996 Put out the fire appeared in Queen Rocks. Las palabras de amor did the same in 1999 in GH3. GVH2DVD included six videos from that era in 2003. And now in 2004 we have a CD and a DVD from 1982, including of course five live tracks. Not a question. Just a comment about a "coincidence?" |
| Josuè 11.10.2004 21:33 |
Coincidence. |
| Farlander 11.10.2004 23:34 |
People are just now coming to understand that Hot Space is, in fact, awesome. |
| deleted user 11.10.2004 23:42 |
I listen to Hot Space when I lift weights. I dunno why but it boosts me a bit. |
| joeyjojo 12.10.2004 00:34 |
I hate that album solely for the craptastic cover art. |
| deleted user 12.10.2004 00:38 |
I have a shirt of Hot Space, and next to the phoenix logo, it can be a wicked shirt design. |
| juls 12.10.2004 05:25 |
IMHO Hot Space is not that bad album - maybe only the artificial sound makes it to the album which polarizes the listeners. If they had used more "real" instruments, like on the stunning Hot Space tour, it would sound more Queenish. There isn't really a weak point on the album - I mean Body Language seems more like a FM-solo-thing to me - Staying Power is kinda groovy (see MK), Dancer misses the rock-sound, but isn't that bad, Back Chat is IMO more variedly than maybe AOBTD, Action this day sounds quite good on even on that album, Put out the fire is IMO a bit overrated nowadays, but not as bad as Cool Cat, which is IMO the weak point on that album. Calling all girls is not by mistake a single in some countries, and sounds authentic. Las Palabras de Amor, a song I never really liked before, doesnt put shame on the band. Under Pressure is of course the BIG song on the album, but IMO not better than my favorite on this release, Life is Real, which shows all trademarks of a classic Queen song. All in all, the only critical point is the selction of instruments - the sound itself is very good on the album, good mix, very tight, maybe too "even" for a rock band. Okay, thats all IMHO, but I like the sound of Hot Space more than the sound on The Works ... but maybe this is another topic.... |
| Brian_Mays_Wig 12.10.2004 07:45 |
Hot Space is a fantastic album. Loved it when I first brought it back in 88. Life is Real was one of those songs I played over and over again. I dont think Under Pressure is the best on there, for me its Back Chat by a mile. |
| Regor 12.10.2004 09:52 |
Hot Space - dont we all love it in some ways ? Because it's so debatable ? :-) Seriously, it is the most controversial album. And for good reasons, new style, dance approach etc. But to be honest, I like it. "It's only a bloody record... People get so excited about these things... " |
| iGSM 12.10.2004 09:53 |
Question on Hot Space and specifically about Under Pressure. The 'that's ok' does not appear on another version I have of UP and I'm wondering where the 'that's ok'-less version came from? SPACE? HOT SPACE? |
| juls 12.10.2004 10:11 |
iGSM wrote: Question on Hot Space and specifically about Under Pressure. The 'that's ok' does not appear on another version I have of UP and I'm wondering where the 'that's ok'-less version came from? SPACE? HOT SPACE?ah yes it is I THINK the version for the Greatest Hits 2?! |
| BackToHuman 12.10.2004 10:37 |
re: "That's Okay" -- the "That's Okay"-less version is, technically, an HR remix, despite the fact that is absolutely the only difference between the two versions. it originally appeared (and has only appeared on, to my knowledge) 'Classic Queen' (the one with the navy blue cover which looks similar to the Greatest Hits II cover everyone else is familiar with). as far as Hot Space finally being recognized for what it's worth, i've always gotten the impression that it was mostly we rare American Queen fans that despised the album so much (sure, everyone else agrees it wasn't their finest hour, but no-one seems to hold the particular disdain for it that Americans do), which i think is partly due to the fact that it came out at a time when there was a huge backlash against disco [no longer was EVERYone dancing, it was now only the gays, whom most of straight America are horrible at accepting], as well as (inexplicably) funk [almost certainly due only to it's implied relationship with disco]; the other part of the attitude towards 'Hot Space', i think, is simply because of the layout of tracks. granted, on the original vinyl, it works wonderfully (you wind up with yet another "side white/side black" [racial pun intended]), but on subsequent CD issues, it simply doesn't work. you wind up with too many of one style of song grouped together. it would be like if Queen put out a compilation featuring 'Leroy Brown', 'Seaside Rendezvous', 'Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon', 'Good Company' -- every single Vaudeville-esque number to ever appear on an album: by the time you reach the end of the compilation, you're bored. i honestly believe that 95% of peoples' problems with 'Hot Space' comes down to the fact that it's boring to listen to from start to finish, because it doesn't seem like there's much variety. (there is, but it's hard to recognize with everything grouped together the way it is). the other 5%? the fact that 'Body Language' should have been on 'Mr Bad Guy'. |
| iGSM 12.10.2004 10:52 |
Thanks for clearing that up. I was devestated to not hear it then hear it all of a sudden. I was actually listening to Hot Space coming home from work today and bugger me dead if I didn't think 'Shit, this is alright actually'. Having not listened to it the whole way through I had never heard Dancer, Back Chat or Action this Day; songs up until earlier today I thought were sub-par and went along the 'Hot Space is shit' etc. I'm sure even The Beatles had a shit album...or did they? The album containing Paperback Writer. What a shocker. Well..just Paperback Writer. |
| Lester Burnham 12.10.2004 11:08 |
Paperback Writer wasn't ON an album! WAY TO JUST DOWNLOAD THE MP3! waffles. |
| juls 12.10.2004 11:23 |
iGSM wrote: I'm sure even The Beatles had a shit album...or did they? The album containing Paperback Writer. What a shocker. Well..just Paperback Writer.Ooooh Paperback Writer is a Single! Maybe the Yellow Submarine album is their weakest. Hot Space is better than Yellow Submarine :D |
| iGSM 12.10.2004 11:48 |
Thank God. No album should be tainted by that song..curiously was Rain any good? |
| iGSM 12.10.2004 11:50 |
< Actually I got #1..and loathe Paperback Writer. But Lady Madonna makes up for it. |
| Roger_in_Tigerskin_Trousers 12.10.2004 12:55 |
I get so angry listening to hot space. I'm not going to turn this into an argument but loads of fans like queen because of the rock elements and have no interest in outdated funk. I also HATE HATE HATE the fact that all the footage we have of queen left is during this period. |
| Lester Burnham 12.10.2004 14:39 |
iGSM wrote: Thank God. No album should be tainted by that song..curiously was Rain any good?Rain is excellent. No funny comments this time, I'm trying to eat my sandwich. |
| LiveAidQueen 12.10.2004 14:56 |
I quite like it... |
| crowley 12.10.2004 15:38 |
I've bought "Hot Space" a year ago and when I've listened to it I was... hmmm... maybe not disappointed, but amazed, how it was possible, that the band, which was pure glam - rock have "evolved" in to funky, disco rhytms. This album is unequal - it starts with a shitty "Staying Power" and less shitty "Dancer", but then the quality of tracks is growing higher and higher. |
| deleted user 12.10.2004 17:04 |
Hot Space is a fantastic album. las parabras is such a wonderful song wonder y ppl dont like it |
| brENsKi 12.10.2004 17:43 |
because the album broke a mould...queen strayed from their traditions...and while they may have done the new style very well - it is generally disliked by queen purists (myself included). if you actually grew up (musically) during the II, SHA, ANATO, ADATR, NOTW era then the game and HS would always be a major disappointment and as for Rain/Paperback writer - this was an era of beatles music i love...my father playing this stuff to death in the late 60s left an imprint on me...i like to think that this period of beatles experimentation later influenced my tastes in queen and don't knock this stuff - they were doing stuff on four channels that bands still couldn't do well with 24 channels over a decade later! |
| juls 12.10.2004 18:10 |
oh Brenski the Beatles are huge! I would never ever dare to critize what they done well - okay, they had some weak points in their career, when drugs were more important than a good production(Revolution No.9) but as you said: recorded on 4 tracks, really great compositions, great arrangements and a very own feel! Well, they had to go through the experiences it seems :D For Hot Space Queen used how many tracks? 24/32? size doesn't matter :-)) I have to admit, I prefer "She said" more than "Dancer" |
| jericho05 12.10.2004 18:22 |
I was 13 when this album came out and was vilified at school because the band I had been touting released a "disco" album. So I slid into the closet and played Hot Space all the while pushing the merits of Sheer Heart Attack and Queen II. I still don't mind the album though as many have said it is the most unlike Queen. I don't mind Dancer , Back Chat or Action This Day. And Staying Power is a proven tune live. As a rocker I loved Put Out The Fire and Calling All Girls and appreciated some of the guitar on Dancer. The rest of the album was better on further listen. Ironically the only tune I felt didn't belong was Under Pressure. The song was released a year earlier on the first Greatest Hits and it's inclusion on Hot Space reeked of desperation (even at the time). Definately not one of my favorite albums but I can still appreciate it as it was also this tour that I saw them live. |
| danielbuzz69 12.10.2004 19:00 |
Hot Space is a great album. Queen were experimenting. They weren't afraid to try new things. What could be wrong with that. I don't think 'Pressure' is the best on there either. Life is Real & Las Parablas now they are great songs |
| joeyjojo 12.10.2004 19:30 |
"when drugs were more important than a good production(Revolution No.9)" Really? That's one of their greatest songs IMHO. The Beatles, like Queen, were also able to span a rather large set of genres throughout their career. And, also like queen, their solo stuff was rather crappy (A few of Lennon's pieces aside, of course...) |
| Penis - Vagina 12.10.2004 19:50 |
Yeah it's definitely some kind of conspiricy of evil. |
| KingMercury 12.10.2004 21:12 |
I THINK HOT SPACE IS AN UNDERRATED ALBUM (BY THE PRESS, BASICALY) I THINK NOBODY PLAYS THE SAME MUSIC TROUGH THE YEARS HOT SPACE IS IMO A VERY GOOD ALBUM ITS SOMETHING DIFFERENT... 22 YEARS AGO, QUEEN TRIED TO TEST SOMETHING DIFFERENT IT HAS ROCK, DISCO, FUNK, BALLADS... I'VE RESCUED IT A LONG TIME AGO AND I LISTEN TO IT |
| SergeantPepperDG 12.10.2004 21:17 |
I just figured out what IMO and IMHO mean... I think... Jesus, I'm really slow sometimes. |
| LiveAidQueen 12.10.2004 21:23 |
KingMercury wrote: I THINK HOT SPACE IS AN UNDERRATED ALBUM (BY THE PRESS, BASICALY) I THINK NOBODY PLAYS THE SAME MUSIC TROUGH THE YEARS HOT SPACE IS IMO A VERY GOOD ALBUM ITS SOMETHING DIFFERENT... 22 YEARS AGO, QUEEN TRIED TO TEST SOMETHING DIFFERENT IT HAS ROCK, DISCO, FUNK, BALLADS... I'VE RESCUED IT A LONG TIME AGO AND I LISTEN TO ITPlease don't yell... |
| GonnaUseMyPrisoners 13.10.2004 00:25 |
I hate to take a pessimist view of this, but I firmly believe this despite having LOVED this album at the time of its release: Hot Space is the most dated sounding of all the Queen albums because of their innate fear of synths and their perplexing and crushing inability to find an organic use for them in their music until the AKOM album. If (repeat, IF) the public image of Hot Space is changing, I chalk it up to Brian's (and Roger's?) revisionist efforts - trumping up their own tracks as a way of selling back catalog that never really worked in the past. Not to say I blame him, 'cuz he just never could measure up to Freddie in the hit department and that must suck for him; but all these DVD-As and video compilations are littered with "extra" things that seem very Taylor & May driven. Freddie pushed too hard on Hot Space, and it sounds forced, if you ask me. Now here's Brian saying "yeah, but look at my tracks - they were pretty good!" |
| Lester Burnham 13.10.2004 01:03 |
GonnaUseMyPrisoners wrote: I hate to take a pessimist view of this, but I firmly believe this despite having LOVED this album at the time of its release: Hot Space is the most dated sounding of all the Queen albums because of their innate fear of synths and their perplexing and crushing inability to find an organic use for them in their music until the AKOM album. If (repeat, IF) the public image of Hot Space is changing, I chalk it up to Brian's (and Roger's?) revisionist efforts - trumping up their own tracks as a way of selling back catalog that never really worked in the past. Not to say I blame him, 'cuz he just never could measure up to Freddie in the hit department and that must suck for him; but all these DVD-As and video compilations are littered with "extra" things that seem very Taylor & May driven. Freddie pushed too hard on Hot Space, and it sounds forced, if you ask me. Now here's Brian saying "yeah, but look at my tracks - they were pretty good!"Interesting theory, but if I may interject...the only May-written Hot Space track on the new DVD is 'Put Out The Fire', and that's only as a bonus track. It's a bit pessimistic to think that Brian's only doing this to gain exposure; in fact, I would be the first to question Brian's overall involvement in releasing such a product. I am more convinced that Queen Productions is just trying to get live material out there for the fans instead of intending to make a quick buck. I will forever question the motives behind the recent reissue of Greatest Hits, but I am less inclined to question the reasoning behind a DVD release, as it takes a lot of time and effort. So I don't think it's May's & Taylor's patented Queen money-making machine, as they could have found an easier way to churn out more product instead of releasing a relatively obscure show from their most maligned period as a band. Then again, maybe I just misunderstood your post. |
| Rick 13.10.2004 10:26 |
I love how they put the technology into the Hot Space album, it's damn good. I like this album very much. I think most of the songs are underrated, Staying Power, Action this Day and Life is Real are very good songs, but underrated. It's definately one of my favourite albums, it's enjoyable. The Works and A Kind a Magic are crap albums, it misses the real Queen-sound, which I can find back in the Hot Space album... And the songs from HS are really sounding great live, for example Staying Power, Back Chat and Action this Day. |
| PabloArg 13.10.2004 10:58 |
Rick wrote: it misses the real Queen-sound, which I can find back in the Hot Space albumHEHEHEHEHEHEHE HIHIHIHIHIHIHI HOHOHOHOHOHOHO You can enjoy the album or not, but about finding the real Queen-sound in Hot space.... Stop smoking that when you listen to the music. :) |
| Fenderek 13.10.2004 11:09 |
Rick wrote: The Works and A Kind a Magic are crap albums100 % agreed Rick wrote: it misses the real Queen-sound, which I can find back in the Hot Space album...The real what???!!! Have you ever heard ANATO...? |
| Brianmay1975 13.10.2004 11:24 |
PabloArg wrote:Oh man, the real Queen-sound on HS... well, that's almost like asking if Freddie is still alive. :) Err, don't get me wrong, I love HS, but it's not one of my favs, no no no. For my favs, I'll just stick to the 70s era.Rick wrote: it misses the real Queen-sound, which I can find back in the Hot Space albumHEHEHEHEHEHEHE HIHIHIHIHIHIHI HOHOHOHOHOHOHO You can enjoy the album or not, but about finding the real Queen-sound in Hot space.... Stop smoking that when you listen to the music. :) |
| GonnaUseMyPrisoners 13.10.2004 11:43 |
Lester Burnham wrote: It's a bit pessimistic to think that Brian's only doing this to gain exposure... I will forever question the motives behind the recent reissue of Greatest Hits, but I am less inclined to question the reasoning behind a DVD release, as it takes a lot of time and effort. Then again, maybe I just misunderstood your post.No, you understood well, and you make some good points. I freely admitted from the start that I was being pessimistic to begin with. So you're right. But I think there might be a grain of truth in there... however small. When I repeated the "IF", I was trying to say that I was not so much evaluating the VALIDITY of the original post so much as just going with the premise and kind of making an argument, without placing a VALUE on the premise (of RIGHT or WRONG). You know, just following the idea along a few roads and seeing where it leads. Hope that makes sense. But the point of yours I like best is the one about the GH CD. On the other hand, it does make a big difference to know how much or little the guys are involved in the decisions. |
| danielbuzz69 13.10.2004 13:00 |
GonnaUseMyPrisoners is quite right when he says it has dated. I think that could be to do with the whole sound at the time |
| crowley 13.10.2004 13:58 |
I think this album is a great thing to convince fans of other music, how flexible a band can be... |
| danielbuzz69 13.10.2004 17:21 |
crowley wrote: I think this album is a great thing to convince fans of other music, how flexible a band can be...True |
| FredMerBul 13.10.2004 21:19 |
I like the album. It has very good songs, like Put Out The Fire, Back Chat, Life is Real, Under Pressure, mmm...I like Cool Cat...Las Palabras de Amor. In general a very nice album. |
| Mitti 14.10.2004 14:20 |
I just don't like the 'funky'-ness, I don't think the music is bad, just not my favorite sort of music. I only listen to HS when it's midsummer and it's really hot outside and I'm nestled in a beachair in the sun... Man, I wish it's still summer! well, let's continue my little story :S... Of course there are songs on the HSalbum which I always love, but most things are really sunny-weather-music... IMO... |