| Saint Jiub 09.10.2004 21:59 |
The QZ poll shows that over 60% of zoners will buy the DVD and CD versions of Milton Keynes. As the DVD has the same audio as the CD, why are so many people buying the CD too? Is the DVD copy-protected so that the audio cannot copied to CD-R? Is there another reason for buy both the CD and DVD besides Queen collecting? |
| wstüssyb 09.10.2004 23:03 |
oh there's gonna be a cd too? cool I guess something to have for the walkman at work |
| deleted user 09.10.2004 23:06 |
Is this what you call Stepford? (trying to be harmless) Well, Mr. Great Buns is right, you can bring the Milton Keynes concert to your car, your jogging route, or wherever portability is required. |
| The Real Wizard 10.10.2004 10:32 |
Even if something is copy-protected, you can always open an empty wave file and press record. QP has gotten plenty of my money over the years. Enough said. Perhaps Wembley and MK are partial forgiveness for the 18 greatest hits packages of the last 13 years instead of a boxed set. So maybe I'll buy both... we'll see. |
| Daburcor? 10.10.2004 11:14 |
Bullwinkle wrote: Why buy both DVD & CD MK concert?Because I'm addicted... :( ;) |
| Lester Burnham 10.10.2004 12:56 |
Not necessary to pull that Charles Baer bullshit here, Hem. Keep it in the personal section. I'll be buying both because I only have a half-decent quality version on my computer, and would like an official version with all 25 songs as opposed to the 18 or whatever I have already. Also, most of us don't have DVD recorders on our computers, so I can't just plop the DVD into my computer and rip all the music like others can. And I want the DVD because it looks spectacular (well, except for the artwork). |
| SergeantPepperDG 10.10.2004 13:09 |
I'm just getting the DVD, because I enjoy watching the concert more than listening to it. If I was listening to their music, I'd much rather listen to the studio recordings. But that's just my opinion. |
| Mr. Scully 11.10.2004 03:23 |
I will definitely buy just the DVD, I see absolutely no sense in buying the CD too. If I desperately need a CD version, I can burn one myself without having to paid for it. |
| willem-jan 8923 11.10.2004 05:37 |
Indeed, if I need the audio, I'll grab it from the DVD. You don't need a DVD recorder for that, a DVD-rom is all you need (well, some software might be helpfull as well). Over here in the Netherlands it's legal to make copies for your own use (e.g. to play them in the car). And from the financial point of view, I think QP earned more than enough money on compilation CD's lately. They don't release anything extra yet, so I don't see it as investing in new releases. |
| AC 11.10.2004 12:18 |
Queen received much money for years and the only thing which was stimulated was the infinite re-re-release of Greatest Hits & company. |
| Maz 11.10.2004 15:27 |
HeMaToSe_SuInA<font size=1><br>[aka HeM] wrote: And if many people buy both the CD and DVD, Queen will receive much more money and will feel stimuled to release more stuff.Your dreamworld sounds like a nice place. |
| juls 11.10.2004 16:01 |
HeMaToSe_SuInA<font size=1><br>[aka HeM] wrote: Hey people from the group "I will buy only the DVD and using my computer I'll create the CD myself", it will be considered as a pirate version if you do this. And pirate versions are FORBIDDEN. And if many people buy both the CD and DVD, Queen will receive much more money and will feel stimuled to release more stuff. Who knows the next release may be the Earls Court 77 (an official release would be nice), Hammersmith 75, Argentina 81, the DVD version of Rock in Rio'85, an official release of We Are The Champions - Final Live in Japan (1985)...Hmmm, IMO a copy of the soundtrack for home use is not prohibited, except the DVD/CD is copy-protected. But who will ever know that you extract the soundtrack to CD fr usage in car/cd/mp3-player? Only if you are going to sell, edit, exhibit, rent, exchange, hire or lend the audio, you are doing something forbidden, and that of course a real fan won't do. Well, Queen sold hundred millions of CDs, vinyls, DVDs, and I am sure that this is not stimulating them for releases of more material, which is already recorded or even produced. We Queen fans wait for a complete catalogue for years now. Or the other live recordings which deserve to be released (like you mentioned the Court, Hyde Park etc.) - they would fit on a "Live series", maybe 3-5 DVDs. Unfortunately nothing happens, "only" Milton Keynes for now (or The Game DVD) which is - IMHO - not interesting for the masses, but for the Queen fans. And we are good costumers. Me, I have all records on vinyl and CD, every VHS available, every official released DVD, and now I think it is time to surprise the true fans with a Live Compilation, which includes the whole catalogue. Maybe it's IMHO again :)) |
| AlexRocks 11.10.2004 16:07 |
Um...how about because Queen sell music? |
| Giacco 73 11.10.2004 16:47 |
HeMaToSe_SuInA<font size=1><br>[aka HeM] wrote:I couldn't have said better myself!Bullwinkle wrote: Why buy both DVD & CD MK concert?1st: To complete the CD collection. 2nd: The stamp in the original official CDs rocks! 3rd: It's illegal to copy any piece of the DVD, including the audio. 4th: I'm a Queen maniac! 5th: I'm not a parasite 6th: Queen will receive more money if people buy the both 7th: Who gains money always wants more. So, if Queen receive much money by selling the stuff, they'll soon release more stuff! 8th: Ah yeah! |
| [ Wybren™ ] 11.10.2004 17:16 |
HeMaToSe_SuInA wrote: 1st: To complete the CD collection. 2nd: The stamp in the original official CDs rocks! 3rd: It's illegal to copy any piece of the DVD, including the audio. 4th: I'm a Queen maniac! 5th: I'm not a parasite 6th: Queen will receive more money if people buy the both. 7th: Who gains money always wants more. So, if Queen receive much money by selling the stuff, they'll soon release more stuff! 8th: Ah yeah!3 - As Willem Jan said: It's not illegal in Holland as long as you do not sell it (i.e. for home use only, therefore most of my MP3s are legal, because I have bought all the CDs) 6,7 - They will spend the money on the musical, to bring it to every country around the world. (Maybe a little money on some DVDs) 8 - LoL btw: I will buy both the CD and the DVD for my collection |
| brENsKi 11.10.2004 17:46 |
how does anyone get over 10,000 post on here? that almost 6 a day EVERY day for FIVE years |
| wstüssyb 11.10.2004 18:15 |
Have you even really seen me post in like a year? |
| Lester Burnham 11.10.2004 18:28 |
darn sure not charles baer™ wrote: I will buy both , probably at Best Buy , it will be cheap there , like Lester , ah YEEEAAAAAAHHHHHey Charles, how ya doin. |
| Lester Burnham 11.10.2004 19:44 |
That's what I like to hear! Keep it real on the field, homeslice. |
| deleted user 11.10.2004 23:45 |
I might be lead to think that Brian and Roger are making not-so-good business decisions, now that John is not around. Hmmmm.... |
| isolar2 12.10.2004 02:49 |
Is is illegal to extract/copy DVD audio to "normal" audio (being CDR or PC), at least in the Netherlands. Many Dutch believe this is not illegal... I wish they were right about that. Let me tell you this: I've learned my lesson in the past. "Thanks" to BUMA/Stemra (Dutch BMI/RIAA). Enough said. Why being both DVD & CD? Because I am a Queen fan perhaps? Because I like to complete my collection? Because the CD booklet might contain photos that are not in the DVD booklet? |
| Stoney 12.10.2004 10:04 |
hEm ..erm its not illegal to copy dvd´s. u can make copies for yourself |
| juls 12.10.2004 11:11 |
And what if I have a DVD player in my Porsche and play the music very loud? Is it "public performance" ? LÖL just kidding Well to be honest, I will only listen to the soundrack when seeing Freddie jump around, without visual is it just half as enjoyable. So I wont buy the CD. Apart from that, I am not a big fan of live recordings, so I will enjoy the DVD on a home theatre with chips and ice cold cola. Very trivial, I know :D |
| Lester Burnham 12.10.2004 11:29 |
Um, actually Hem, that's not true at all. I don't think an annoyed policeman will stop anybody demanding that they show him the original copy of the CD or else. That's a bit...weird. Burning copies for private use is certainly allowed; hell, whenever I go over to my dad's house, I always grab a load of CDs that I want to burn for myself. Then I get a frantic call from him two hours later wondering who stole his CDs. Perhaps I should leave notes, or even tell him that I'm doing so. My original point stands, though. No matter how many times you feed your cat, you're gonna get scratched. It's just a matter of time. |
| Roger_in_Tigerskin_Trousers 12.10.2004 12:52 |
I'll just get DVD when it's 1st released and ignore the fact it is illeagal to transfer it to cd. |
| crowley 12.10.2004 15:24 |
HeM - I don't know how does it look in other countries but in Poland you have the right to have a backup copy of legaly copied stuff in ANY form (mp3, audio, video, MC, whatever) you can have two backups at a time. So I'll buy the goddam DVD and rip the audio! And don't try to learn me law - my cousin is a lawyer :) |
| Penis - Vagina 12.10.2004 15:32 |
I'll buy the CD version when it comes out in card sleeve form in Japan. Considering the timing of the other live albums being released in card sleeve form, I can't believe they didn't think to do this one at the same time. Until then, I'll make my own CD version just for something to do. Maybe a single-disc edit like I did with the WWRY DVD. |
| juls 12.10.2004 18:04 |
HeM<br><font size=1>Wagga Wagga Wagga! wrote: Here in Brazil anyone can have a copy only for backup. But if you're travelling for example to another country and you're stopped to check if you're carrying something illegal and they find a copied version of some officially released CD in your car... How can you proof that you have the original version? In my opinion, you're all free to do whatever you want, but don't forget that you'll be stealing what belongs to Brian May, Roger Taylor, John Deacon and Freddie's heir(s). If everybody thinks like you all when Live Aid DVD is released, so I pity the hungry children... They won't receive a single dish for dinner... :-\Hey Hem, nobody says that we want to download the Milton Keynes from a russian piracy site - there are just a few people who wont buy the CD, only the DVD. Thats all. If someone buys the Live Aid DVD, and they dont release a CD to it, and we would extract the audio on CD for home use, the hungry little african children will receive the same amount of money - not depending on if I copy the Audio to a CD or not... And you know, that we all are not fans of piracy! I guess minimum 50% of the QZ-ers have all the CDs, DVDs and/or/xor vinyl, tape, VHS, whatever released by Queen. We paid enough to the Gentlemen, so we have the right to copy the audio of every kind of material FOR HOME USE as backup, especially when we own the item! The other fact is, that a backup is a security CD or DVD, for the case that the original one (or the copied one) is damaged. Ok, bite my head off for this, nevermind! IMHO it is no crime to copy the audio for personal use. EXCEPT IT IS COPY PROTECTED! |
| juls 12.10.2004 19:06 |
Sure, Queen wants to sell everything. No doubt. But I think the release of the CD is the same as the release of Live at Wembley 86 again. For those who dont want to spend "the coins more" for a DVD, they can have the audio. I dont think that the members of Queen would say "Hey, buy both!" Why should we? And I would love to ask Brian, if he cares that I *WILL* copy the audio to CD :) Well, you have your opinion, it's just funny that you praise the Queen productions this lot :) |
| juls 12.10.2004 19:14 |
... by the way: if the DVD is copy-protected, it is even forbidden to record the audio to tape, mp3, Minidisc, whatever... but what if I would want to buy the Milton Keynes on tape or Minidisc? It is not available, yes. So I may not even extract a copy from DVD to tape or whatever... you know what? I will ENJOY copying the dvd audio to CD, even if i wont listen to it :D |
| Penis - Vagina 12.10.2004 19:32 |
I'll do whatever I want with items which I've paid for. The only thing I won't do is profit from someone else's work. That would be wrong. Until the "industry" and pigheaded artists, and lawmakers catch up to my logical policies regearding such matters, I wish them the best of luck as they continue to lose customers by threatening them. |
| high-flying-adored 12.10.2004 21:25 |
<font color="cyan">bambam</font> wrote: Well, Mr. Great Buns is right, you can bring the Milton Keynes concert to your car, your jogging route, or wherever portability is required.My God, that's a disturbing photograph ... |
| Saint Jiub 12.10.2004 23:07 |
Now I understand ... If my car has a DVD player, I am an upstanding citizen. However, if my car has only a CD player and I copy my legally purchased DVD to CD in order to play in my car, I am nothing but a parasite and a common criminal ... |
| Lester Burnham 13.10.2004 00:18 |
It makes sense, dunnit? And apparently that means we're all susceptible to random searches for illegal Queen material. |
| deleted user 13.10.2004 01:16 |
"What? All that shit again??" I hate that holier-than-thou-CD-ripping-is-evil shit. |
| Mr. Scully 13.10.2004 02:33 |
Holland is a country with a big sense for freedom but when it comes to "illegal" CD copying and ripping, I think they're often going to big extremes (just like Scandinavia). Don't tell me that if I legally purchase a DVD, I can't rip it to my harddisk? Or rip the audio part and burn it? I can't believe this could be illegal. If you buy CD's, you can make a compilation CD-R from them too. Why couldn't I make such a "compilation" from the audio tracks from my legal DVD? |
| jamesfrancistaylor 13.10.2004 03:15 |
Do as I intend: BUY the DVD when it's released and then get someone else to GIVE you the CD for Christmas !!! |
| Fenderek 13.10.2004 08:55 |
I'll buy both- for my ear they always sound a bit different: CD and DVD... I dunno... And I've been collecting vinyls and CDs for so long I'll just have to hav eboth... I actually would love to have it on vinyl!!! |
| sexmachine 13.10.2004 15:32 |
i will buy both because it is the only release worth buing in years.the last two were MIH and the freddie box.and from a great concert too. |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 14.10.2004 21:15 |
jamesfrancistaylor wrote: Do as I intend: BUY the DVD when it's released and then get someone else to GIVE you the CD for Christmas !!!Great idea! mmmm... WAIT! =:^O Why not the other way round?! It's cheaper! :D Cheers, Ogre- |
| Biggest Band On The Planet 15.10.2004 07:20 |
I will be buying the DVD first but I will buy the CD a few weeks later, because I believe the audio on the CD will be higher quality than the DVD, after all isnt the audio on the DVD compressed ? I think they use MP3 on DVDs. |
| The Real Wizard 15.10.2004 11:31 |
Biggest Band On The Planet wrote: I think they use MP3 on DVDs.Wow... why am I even replying to this? |
| iGSM 15.10.2004 12:04 |
< More so than in a socialist country? I'm not the full bottle on Socialism v. Capitalism but Capitalism seems to be fairing ok. |
| Penis - Vagina 15.10.2004 12:27 |
Biggest Band On The Planet wrote: I will be buying the DVD first but I will buy the CD a few weeks later, because I believe the audio on the CD will be higher quality than the DVD, after all isnt the audio on the DVD compressed ? I think they use MP3 on DVDs.Yes and no. I suspect the PCM audio on the DVD will be the same stereo mix used on the CDs. And CDs are PCM too, so there you go. |
| AC 15.10.2004 17:41 |
One of the most basic rule of capitalism is: "I they want it, they have to pay. And they will not decide the price". |
| willem-jan 8923 15.10.2004 17:59 |
HeM<br><font size=1>Wagga Wagga Wagga! wrote: And the bootlegs of this concert now are f*cked forbidden too.Not true, since it was aired on the BBC and several other TV stations. Recording TV-shows is not illegal. Same goes for a mp3 rip of your DVD, since this one varies from your CD (i.e. it lacks the gap between disk 1 & 2) |
| Saint Jiub 16.10.2004 23:20 |
So HeM ... Is this your logic? It is ok for me to copy my WWRY Montreal DVD audio to CD or cassette tape or mini-disk or to my computer. It is ok for me to copy my Milton Keynes DVD audio to cassette tape or mini-disk or to my computer ... but copying the audio to CD would make me a pirate. |
| iGSM 17.10.2004 05:07 |
You bastard parasite pirate. Not really. I know you're only a pirate...arghhhh. I'm not sure that ripping the audio off a DVD would contravene the copyright infringement, |
| willem-jan 8923 17.10.2004 17:00 |
Okay, HeM, got a point there! Now what if you only own a cassette player in your car? Still not allowed to copy your CD to tape? |
| Penis - Vagina 17.10.2004 18:59 |
Oh for heaven's sake people.. do whatever the hell you want with your stuff. As long as you're not selling copies you aren't going to get into trouble. I think the world has bigger issues to deal with right now rather than worrying about what someone is doing with something they paid for and own. I don't give a shit what ANY law says, if you've purchased something you own it for your own private use and can do what you want with it. If the law doesn't agree, fucking fight them in court about it and you'll surely win. |
| willem-jan 8923 18.10.2004 03:51 |
HeM<br><font size=1>Get It On!</font> wrote: I think buying a CD Player would be a good investiment to your money, 'cos CD has best quality and doesn't lose it after some years... But If you don't wanna buy a CD player, so of course you can copy it to cassete IF you have the original CD. They won't sell it as a cassete, so if you copy the CD to a cassete it won't be a problem, since you have the original CD.Well, if copying to casette is OK, then DVD to CD-RW is the same. You only make a copy to listen to this music in your car, and in both cases you pay for the music. |
| NOTWMEDDLE 13.11.2004 01:57 |
I did so with Wembley! The CD had some tracks not on the CD for Wembley. The new live Queen CD kicks ass! |
| queenrocks! 10902 13.11.2004 05:37 |
Because you can't play the DVD in your CD player can you? |
| Harry_queenrecordings 13.11.2004 06:13 |
I don't think the CD release of Milton keynes is worth to buy because it's edited. Most pauses between the songs are shorter than on the DVD and also Freddie's famous speech before Staying Power is cut. Best thing to do is just rip the audio track from the DVD and burn it on an audio CD. Really no problem if you are just using it for own use. |
| gmhmagic 15.11.2004 15:16 |
.::HeM::. wrote:I couldn´t agree more. ;)Bullwinkle wrote: Why buy both DVD & CD MK concert?1st: To complete the CD collection. 2nd: The stamp in the original official CDs rocks! 3rd: It's illegal to copy any piece of the DVD, including the audio. 4th: I'm a Queen maniac! 5th: I'm not a parasite 6th: Queen will receive more money if people buy the both 7th: Who gains money always wants more. So, if Queen receive much money by selling the stuff, they'll soon release more stuff! 8th: Ah yeah! |
| onevsion 09.06.2005 15:54 |
I only buy the DVD and triple vinyl set. |
| doremi 09.06.2005 16:07 |
Well I don't have a DVD player...so I bought the CD, WHICH i love!!!!! Would KILL for a DVD player though. Why the hell didn't they release Live Aid on CD too? I still dont have the DVD, since I don't have a DVD player and I would LOVE to listen to it in my car and at home on CD, EVEN if I had a DVD player. Sheesh! |
| Saint Jiub 09.06.2005 17:10 |
link Barry suggested this DVD ripper which I downloaded but still have yet to try ... |
| Queenfred 09.06.2005 23:07 |
I really don't think it's a good idea to buy ANY Queen records anymore until they've all passed away cos' you just KNOW they're gonna re-release it again in 5.1, only to turn around and re-package the ORIGINAL CD with a bonus disc and then ANOTHER bonus disc with the surround sound version (same bonus material of course, but with an extra minute and a half of rare footage). Then there's the future Japanesse versions (in both jewel and cardboard sleeve mind)to consider. ...and don't even start me on the blu-ray editions.... |
| Mr Drowse 10.06.2005 03:18 |
Dan Corson wrote:Bullwinkle wrote: Why buy both DVD & CD MK concert?Because I'm addicted... :( Me too :) ;) |
| RohemianBapsody 10.06.2005 16:56 |
Mr Drowse wrote:And me :)Dan Corson wrote:Bullwinkle wrote: Why buy both DVD & CD MK concert?Because I'm addicted... :( Me too :) ;) I have burnt another CD for the car, so at least the original should last a bit longer. I only wish I had done the same with the LPs. |
| The Real Wizard 11.06.2005 00:01 |
"3rd: It's illegal to copy any piece of the DVD, including the audio." Hmm, I guess I missed this when it was first posted. It's definitely not true. If it's for your personal use, then making a copy is legal. |