juls 05.10.2004 20:46 |
Hi! Just one question: are some of the live recordings overdubbed in the studio? On the We will rock you VHS/DVD (f.e. Killer Queen) the lip-sync doesn't match/FM sang although he was away from the mic. So it has to be overdubbed... but where, when, in which studio, who is the engineer, and did they do it with the instrumental tracks too? On Keep yourself Alive the tambourine is faded out at the beginning... Any suggestions? |
John S Stuart 05.10.2004 20:52 |
Yes! |
Lester Burnham 05.10.2004 21:09 |
Hahaha. |
deleted user 06.10.2004 01:01 |
Flash and The Hero was cut out in the DVD, after under pressure, i think. |
Regor 06.10.2004 04:24 |
The Rainbow show is heavily overdubbed I heard several times. On GVH1 you can hear vocal harmonies on Now I'm Here that are clearly not live, it sounds like Freddie doubletracking himself and adding some harmonies. Must have been quite common in the 70's/80's (dont know if still), there is an early 80's live recording of the "Police"-Track "Man in a suitcase" on the B-Side of a single, and you can clearly hear some Vocal-Harmonies. Knowing that both Andy Summers and Stewart Copeland only occasionally added their vocals in concert or on record (and that quite horrible too...) it must be Sting himself. |
Zizzu 06.10.2004 04:37 |
All official live recordings are overdubbed. WWRY is the most evident one;for ex. NIH I think is completely re-recorded. Even the Wembley show has many overdubs (AKOF, OV, WATC are the most important). U can find the original tracks only on bootlegs. |
juls 06.10.2004 04:58 |
Thank you for your replies! |
Oberon 06.10.2004 06:02 |
juls wrote: Hi! Just one question: are some of the live recordings overdubbed in the studio? On the We will rock you VHS/DVD (f.e. Killer Queen) the lip-sync doesn't match/FM sang although he was away from the mic. So it has to be overdubbed... but where, when, in which studio, who is the engineer, and did they do it with the instrumental tracks too? On Keep yourself Alive the tambourine is faded out at the beginning... Any suggestions?I thought the lip sync thing on KQ in WWRY was an editing error from the fact that different nights were used? |
Regor 06.10.2004 06:51 |
Thats what I thought as well, they filmed both nights. |
The Mir@cle 06.10.2004 07:13 |
On the 46664 DVD they even chanche the text of "Say It's Not True" |
Fenderek 06.10.2004 08:05 |
All officially released so far live recordings were overdubbed. Wembley in particular... |
Adam Baboolal 06.10.2004 08:39 |
But won't the MK dvd be without overdubs? Peace, Adam. |
Fenderek 06.10.2004 08:45 |
Brian said they left everything- just as it was- with the Guitar Solo bit... I wonder if they patched up Fat Bottomed Girls... |
kohuept 06.10.2004 15:32 |
the KQ bit from WWRY has been fixed on the most recent release. the director commentary on the DVD made it sound as if the band stole the audio and re-did everything. |
[StArMaN] 06.10.2004 16:47 |
" Knowing that both Andy Summers and Stewart Copeland only occasionally added their vocals in concert or on record (and that quite horrible too...)" I've just listened to a 1980 Police bootleg last night, and i have to agree : Andy and Stewart would have close their mouth ;-) |
inu-liger 06.10.2004 18:55 |
The reason the WWRY DVD is out of synch or not properly matched, video and audio wise, is because they filmed the two nights Queen played in Montreal, Canada in 1981 (which by the way apparently marked the first concerts UP was played fully!), and back then they could only use 10 minute film reels, which never had sound recorded to them directly like tapes and digital media do these days. Even then, the soundtrack from the concert is mixed from the two nights', and I guess, and I never listened to the director's commentary FULLY in a long time so I could be wrong, that they never properly labelled the film reels, because they had so many cameras to change every 10 minutes (and not to mention the cameras' film reels HAD to look at the huge-ass digital clock on the side of the stage so they could synchronize the film to the soundtrack) Queen had little control in how the film was made. All they cared about was getting a live video out for the fans (and apparently this was also shown in some IMAX theatres at the time, according to the director, before the video came out), no matter how bad the product (a la Rare Live and Rock In Rio). The only overdubs on the WWRY video recording itself was the audience cheering, because the audience was piss-poor drunk, or otherwise not being very cooperative (hence the reason Freddie actually sang ALL the lines on Love Of My Life for example - and later in Jailhouse Rock (on the DVD's and LaserDisc only) he says "Move it you fuckers, come on!" and talks to Brian while they are playing the song) If you don't believe me about the audience overdubs (not saying that anyone would really not believe me), get the DVD, play it on a surround sound system with the front speakers muted and you will hear the obvious bursts of cheering more clearly! Btw. the surround sound mix on the DVD, especially the 2001 DTS re-issue (which is Region ALL by the way, for those interested!), is excellent, and much better than the upmixed Freddie Tribute and Wembley '86 concerts! Not to mention the widescreen video is also miles better than GVH1 and GVH2! |
popy 06.10.2004 19:18 |
Inu Yasha (a.k.a. Lum's Stormtroopers) wrote: Btw. the surround sound mix on the DVD, especially the 2001 DTS re-issue (which is Region ALL by the way, for those interested!), is excellent, and much better than the upmixed Freddie Tribute and Wembley '86 concerts! Not to mention the widescreen video is also miles better than GVH1 and GVH2!WWRY was filmed to be presented in wide screen,althoug they did not use it on the first ediction .While,as you must know,must of all videos (if not all) in GVH1 and GVH2 where filmed in "full frame",and filmed in tape(i think),while WWRY was filmed in FILM (and so they can do a much better restauration job) |
jorge 06.10.2004 19:59 |
Not only in official releases what about Keep Yourself Alive live at Hammersmith Odeon 1975 some chorus are overdubbed,but..
juls wrote: ...where, when, in which studio, who is the engineer, FM sang although he was away from the mic. So it has to be overdubbedand did they do it with the instrumental tracks too? ... Any suggestions?OK, It's a pro-bootleg recorded by BBC(?), anyway I don't understand :) |
juls 07.10.2004 02:13 |
Inu Yasha (a.k.a. Lum's Stormtroopers) wrote: The reason the WWRY DVD is out of synch or not properly matched, video and audio wise, is because they filmed the two nights Queen played in Montreal, Canada in 1981 (which by the way apparently marked the first concerts UP was played fully!), and back then they could only use 10 minute film reels, which never had sound recorded to them directly like tapes and digital media do these days. Even then, the soundtrack from the concert is mixed from the two nights', and I guess, and I never listened to the director's commentary FULLY in a long time so I could be wrong, that they never properly labelled the film reels, because they had so many cameras to change every 10 minutes (and not to mention the cameras' film reels HAD to look at the huge-ass digital clock on the side of the stage so they could synchronize the film to the soundtrack) Queen had little control in how the film was made. All they cared about was getting a live video out for the fans (and apparently this was also shown in some IMAX theatres at the time, according to the director, before the video came out), no matter how bad the product (a la Rare Live and Rock In Rio). The only overdubs on the WWRY video recording itself was the audience cheering, because the audience was piss-poor drunk, or otherwise not being very cooperative (hence the reason Freddie actually sang ALL the lines on Love Of My Life for example - and later in Jailhouse Rock (on the DVD's and LaserDisc only) he says "Move it you fuckers, come on!" and talks to Brian while they are playing the song) If you don't believe me about the audience overdubs (not saying that anyone would really not believe me), get the DVD, play it on a surround sound system with the front speakers muted and you will hear the obvious bursts of cheering more clearly! Btw. the surround sound mix on the DVD, especially the 2001 DTS re-issue (which is Region ALL by the way, for those interested!), is excellent, and much better than the upmixed Freddie Tribute and Wembley '86 concerts! Not to mention the widescreen video is also miles better than GVH1 and GVH2!Thank you for this exc. information! |