| Ramses 03.10.2004 00:07 |
I just read the mistakes thread below and thought of something. How does March of the Black Queen end, exactly? On my version, after the "Fireflies" thing, and the "ah ah ah ah ah"s, it just cuts off. It happens as they start to go higher in the "ah"s, so almost like it should go on. Is this right? I bought the song off of iTunes, so I would think it's right..but is it? |
| deleted user 03.10.2004 00:11 |
on my cd, it continues on to Funny How Love Is. |
| Saint Jiub 03.10.2004 00:13 |
You do have the official CD right? |
| deleted user 03.10.2004 00:15 |
i guess, hollywood records? is that official? |
| Saint Jiub 03.10.2004 00:22 |
I was asking Ramses not you Don. |
| deleted user 03.10.2004 00:24 |
sorry, bullwinkle. how's rocky? |
| Ramses 03.10.2004 00:28 |
Bullwinkle wrote: I was asking Ramses not you Don.Well...I bought the CD that they offered on iTunes, which I would assume was the official one. I did not buy Funny How Love is, however because I didn't like it. So that's probably it. I know the album has that continuity feel from listening to the other songs. that's what I kind of thought but thought I'd ask anyway! Thanks |
| Saint Jiub 03.10.2004 00:33 |
Raccoon? Yo, Adrian? Oh that one. You mean: Watch me pull a rabbit outta my hat Rocky is not doing so good I'm afraid. After our contact got canceled with Cartoon Network, things have been tough. A moose has gotta eat ya know ... I'm a little higher up on the food chain than Rocky, so after I ran out of rabbits ... Rocky sort of tastes like chicken. |
| Saint Jiub 03.10.2004 00:34 |
Great Ramses |
| Penis - Vagina 03.10.2004 01:08 |
Much of the Queen II album is continuous with tracks crossfading into each other. Since you bought this track by itself, you're missing the final 'ahhhhhh' which begins with the intro of the next track, "Funny How Love Is". I don't believe there's a stand-alone version of March of the Black Queen with a proper ending other than perhaps the BBC version which I've not heard. There is a single version of Funny How Love Is though, without the 'ahhhhh' from MOTBQ :) |
| deleted user 03.10.2004 02:20 |
the continuation is better. smooth transition, like procession and father and son. |
| Penis - Vagina 03.10.2004 02:24 |
Yes.. please do buy that album. It's one of the very best and many fans consider it to be their favorite. If you like that song, you're bound to love the majority of the album. |
| Zizzu 03.10.2004 04:55 |
I'm sure that the end of the March is at the end of piano and guitar solo. U can notice that the duration indicated on cd confirm my version. The remaning part it's only a bridge to FHLI |
| Sebastian 03.10.2004 05:48 |
That borderline tends to be very discussed since apparently some CD releases cut Black Queen on the piano/guitar slow down (it kind of foreshadows Bo Rhap btw), while others finish it off in the "aaaah". In my opinion, the track ends with the "ahhh", because, by one side, the official release - though I'm not 100% sure - printed that part of the lyrics in Black Queen. Also because the lyrics are more connected with Black imo. The false ending was an eccentricity. A great one btw. Note Axl Rose did something similar in November Rain. When he was asked which would be the two albums he'd bring to a desert island he answered "Nevermind the Bollocks and Queen II". So perhaps he got the inspiration from March Of the Black Queen, even if it was subconsciously. |
| brENsKi 03.10.2004 07:24 |
those of us who have ever had the vinyl version of II will be aware that all of side black is a continuous flow - freddie's concept album? butthe groovers on the lp give an indication of where songs should start/end as does the timing of the songs themselves i think the beginning of fhli is where the final aaahhhhhhhhhhhhh fades over the top of the four piano notes (which are then repeated |
| John S Stuart 03.10.2004 07:24 |
whirled peas: There is NO BBC "March Of The Black Queen" it was taken directly from the released album. |
| AC 03.10.2004 08:10 |
And how does it end? |
| Penis - Vagina 03.10.2004 09:36 |
John S Stuart wrote: whirled peas: There is NO BBC "March Of The Black Queen" it was taken directly from the released album.That's exactly why I said it might have a stand-alone ending :) |
| Pim Derks 03.10.2004 09:43 |
If I'm not mistaken the BBC version just fades out during the segue into FHLI. |
| AC 03.10.2004 09:50 |
Thank you. That's what I wanted to know. |
| Little_Queenie 03.10.2004 10:04 |
I have a version where Black Queen ends slowly with piano and guitar part, and looks pretty much like whole, rounded song. The last words are: ...she boils and she bakes, and she never dots her I's. And little more of da da daaaa vocals, slow piano and guitar part, the end. Btw, does anyone of you older fans know what is the original version of the song, on first release of Queen II?? |
| AC 03.10.2004 10:10 |
Where does your version come from? |
| Little_Queenie 03.10.2004 10:26 |
Don't have a clue. If u want I can send it to you over ICQ or sth. It's mp3, don't know where's it from, but it's great, very nice ending. |
| AC 03.10.2004 10:29 |
Probably it only misses the last 20 seconds or so. "The March of Black queen" has a kind of fake ending as you described but then the music come backs. |
| Saint Jiub 03.10.2004 10:44 |
It is probably copied from the Hollywood records CD, which cut off the last 20 seconds of MotBQ and put it on the beginning of FHLI. |
| AC 03.10.2004 11:03 |
Oh. I didn't know that. |
| Little_Queenie 03.10.2004 11:06 |
Yes, I guess that's it, cause FHLI starts with instrumental often found in MOTBQ and then "Forget your singalongs..." etc. It's obvious that FHLI and MOTBQ are actually one song, but I'd like to know how was it cut on the first original release of the Queen II. |
| Sebastian 03.10.2004 11:41 |
It seems that some releases end it in the piano/guitar thing and treat the "fireflies" part as the intro of Funny, therefore March would be a 6 minute and more or less 10 sec track, and Funny would be a two-piece thing, similar to Lap Of The Gods in the third album (that has a singalong part in the end, and in the beginning is something completely different) Or ... the "dots her i's" is a false ending, March actually lasts 6 minutes and a half and Funny is just the "jam". Some releases have it the first way, some the second way Anyway, I think the LP (though I don't have it) printed the lyrics of "fireflies" in March, so they would belong there. Moreover, imo, those lyrics are more related to March than Funny. That piano fill before "forget your singalongs" is like an "it's not over yet" sign, or at least that's how I understand it |
| AC 03.10.2004 11:44 |
"Forget you singalongs" is the last part of "March of the black queen", I think it has nothing to do with "Funny how love is". They are not one song. If you buy the Queen II cd you will hear that the end of many songs fall into the beginning of the next. And I'm quite sure that the original release of Queen II is the one we're telling you, with "forget your singalongs" being part of "march of the black queen". This and "Funny how love is" are two independent song. Or maybe I'm a poor ignorant idiot and the experts will englighten us. |
| AC 03.10.2004 11:46 |
Yes, ok, whatever Sebastian said. |
| Sonia Doris 03.10.2004 13:42 |
i always thought the fireflies were part of funny how love is... |
| Sebastian 03.10.2004 15:00 |
Do any of you have the original 1974 LP release, so we can clear if the lyrics are printed as part of TMOTBQ or FHLI? I think it was pointed out sometime (here or in some other forum) that perhaps the fireflies part belonged to a different master tape. That's an interesting point (hard to prove though). But, even from a hypothetical point of view, they would still be technically the same song, since Rock It, Play The Game, Bo Rhap and probably others too, also were recorded by parts |
| Bohardy 03.10.2004 15:45 |
God, I've never seen such a fuss over something so simple. Of course the "Forget your singalongs..." is part of MOTBQ. That's obvious to anyone with half an ear and brain. FHLI officially starts with the acoustic-guitars and wall of sound, after the final "Aaah aaah aaaah" of MOTBQ. On the album the songs segued into each other, so that FHLI contains (right at the very start) some vocals continued over from MOTBQ. On the Hollywood Records and original EMI releases the track-marker for FHLI was put in the wrong place, and therefore it appeared that the false-ending of MOTBQ actuallly belonged to FHLI. The fact that the standalone single-version of FHLI starts with the acoustic guitars and not the "Forget your singalongs...", confirms this, as does the fact that on the original Queen II vinyl the "Forget your singalongs..." lyrics are part of MOTBQ. As a result of the above error with the track-marker, many MP3s of MOTBQ floating around will inevitably end before the false-ending. |
| Sebastian 03.10.2004 16:22 |
Bohardy wrote: The fact that the standalone single-version of FHLI starts with the acoustic guitars and not the "Forget your singalongs...", confirms this, as does the fact that on the original Queen II vinyl the "Forget your singalongs..." lyrics are part of MOTBQ.The vinyl thing is a proof, yeah, but as for the standalone: it could be hypothetically just matter of the mix, as well as there's a Bo Rhap single without the opera section. The "fireflies" part would be weird in a single; in a similar way that for example 'Liar' was cut in the single version in the US, as far as I know |
| twowaymirrormountain 03.10.2004 19:33 |
Just to add to the consensus here: I have Queen II on CD(Hollywood) and rather old vinyl(elektra) and both lyrics sheets include the "city of the fireflies" section as part of March of the Black Queen. |
| Libor2 03.10.2004 19:55 |
I have an old QII CD (AAD without remaster) from EMI Holland and there is TMOTBQ 6:03 min. long. And FHLI starts with 'Forget your singalongs...' and it’s 3:15. Unfortunately this CD was without lyrics. On QII from remastered series (DMS 1994) there is TMOTBQ 6:33 long and ends with 'forever'. FHLI is 2:50 long here. Here is lyrics added and 'Forget your singalong .... forever' paragraph is the part of TMOTBQ (as it could be IMO). I always thought, as 'Fireflies' part is evidently from TMOTBQ, that there is factory mistake on the old CD (AAD) I have. So - this mistake isn’t only on Hollywood records, as I have EMI one. |
| John S Stuart 03.10.2004 20:03 |
I agree with Bohardy: What a load of fuss over nonesense. Just because a mastering error or MP3 download mistakenly shows otherwise, it does not mean it is so. Also like Bohardy, I too think that those with half a brain should be able to work it out, but here is a copy of the Official "March Of The Black Queen" lyrics, as presented on the inside sleeve of the official first pressing. These lyrics are identical to those found in the "Queen Complete Words" book, and the Official Queen II piano score. Please notice that the "Lullabies" are part of the COMPLETE "March Of The Black Queen" lyric. Do you mean it do you mean it do you mean it Why don't you mean it why do I follow you And where do you go? Ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah You've never seen nothing like it No never in your life Like going up to heaven And then coming back alive Let me tell you all about it Oooh give me a little time to choose Water babies singing in a lily pool delight Blue powder monkeys praying in the dead of night Here comes the Black Queen poking in the pile Fi fo the Black Queen marching single file Take this take that bring them down to size March to the Black Queen Put them in the cellar with the naughty boys Little nigger sugar then a rub-a-dub-a baby oil Black on black on every finger nail and toe We've only begun, begun Make this make that keep making all that noise Oooh march to the Black Queen Now I've got a belly full You can be my sugar baby You can be my honey chile A voice from behind me reminds me Spread out your wings you are an angel Remember to deliver with the speed of light A little bit of love and joy Everything you do bears a will And a why and a wherefore A little bit of love and joy In each and every soul lies a man And very soon he'll deceive and discover But even to the end of his life He'll bring a little love Ah ah ah ah ah I reign with my left hand I rule with my right I'm lord of all darkness I'm queen of the night I've got the power now to do The march of the Black Queen My life is in your hands I'll fo and I'll fie I'll be what you make me I'll do what you like I'll be a bad boy I'll be your bad boy I'll do the march of the Black Queen Ah ah ah ah ah Walking true to style she's vulgar abuse and vile The Black Queen tattoos all her pies She boils and she bakes And she never dots her I's La la la la la la la la la la la la La la la la la Forget your sing a-longs and your lullabies Surrender to the city of the fireflies Dance to the devil in beat with the band To hell with all of you hand in hand But now it's time to be gone La la la la forever forever Ah ah ah ah ah |
| John S Stuart 03.10.2004 20:06 |
Just to add to my last mail, here is the complete lyric to "Funny How Love Is". Notice that it starts with the line: "Funny how love is everywhere just look and see". Funny how love is everywhere just look and see Funny how love is anywhere you're bound to be Funny how love is every song in every key Funny how love is coming home in time for tea Funny funny funny oh Funny how love is the end of the lies When the truth begins tomorrow comes Tomorrow brings tomorrow brings love In the shape of things That's what love is that's what love is Funny how love can break your heart so suddenly Funny how love came tumbling down with Adam and Eve Funny how love is running wild feeling free Funny how love is coming home in time for tea Funny funny funny oh From the earth below to the heavens above That's how far and funny is love At any time anywhere If you gotta make love do it everywhere That's what love is that's what love is Funny how love is everywhere just look and see Funny how love is anywhere you're bound to be Funny how love is every song in every key Funny how love is when you gotta hurry Because you're late for tea Funny funny funny oh Tommorrow comes tomorrow brings Tomorrow brings love in the shape of things At any time anywhere If you gotta make love do it everywhere That's what love is that's what love is |
| John S Stuart 03.10.2004 20:46 |
Seb: Sorry for being stupid, but for me "Funny How Love Is" is essentially a song of three verses of ten lines. Notice that (essentially) the first five lines of all the three verses are: Funny how love is ... Funny how love is ... Funny how love is ... Funny how love is ... Funny funny funny oh And that this "half verse" is followed by another five lines. The final verse follows basically the same structure, but is 11 lines long because it has a lyric "scanning" bridge. My question is simply this; Why would anyone think that the following seven lined lyric be part of the same song? Forget your sing a-longs and your lullabies Surrender to the city of the fireflies Dance to the devil in beat with the band To hell with all of you hand in hand But now it's time to be gone La la la la forever forever I am no song-writer, but even I see that they do not fit together and that they are part of two seperate tracks. Ah ah ah ah ah |
| Penis - Vagina 03.10.2004 22:29 |
My Hollywood version has the correct transition point at 6:33 though the back cover says 6:03. And it's an original pressing with the old palm tree logo. |
| Sebastian 04.10.2004 05:28 |
Seb: Sorry for being stupid, but for me "Funny How Love Is" is essentially a song of three verses of ten lines.Again, I was talking from the hypothetical point of view, in a similar way that more than half of Hey Jude is the ostinato chorus, but still we consider the verses and bridges part of the song. But if you read what I posted here you'll note I did agree with the "fireflies is part of March" theory: "In my opinion, the track ends with the "ahhh", because, by one side, the official release - though I'm not 100% sure - printed that part of the lyrics in Black Queen. Also because the lyrics are more connected with Black imo." ---- Then the next day I said: "Anyway, I think the LP (though I don't have it) printed the lyrics of "fireflies" in March, so they would belong there. Moreover, imo, those lyrics are more related to March than Funny." ---- And finally: "...but as for the standalone: it could be hypothetically just matter of the mix..." Keyword: HYPOTHETICALLY. So John, even if it sounded utopical, this time you and I actually agreed :) |
| [ Wybren™ ] 04.10.2004 07:22 |
John S Stuart wrote: whirled peas: There is NO BBC "March Of The Black Queen" it was taken directly from the released album.I believe Greg Brooks or Brian said the BBC version was a remix of the album version by Freddie, but I'm not sure. |
| BackToHuman 04.10.2004 10:53 |
had to break out my 1974 pressing (Elektra) of Queen II on vinyl, as well as my stopwatch (a Nokia 6225 with stopwatch function). time on the label is listed as being 6:08 -- listening to the song (with stopwatch running) as i'm typing this. for the record, the last verse for MOTBQ listed on the Side Black sleeve is... "Forget your singalongs and your lullabies Surrender to the city of the fireflies Dance with the devil in beat with the band To hell with all of your hand-in-hand But now is the time to be gone -- forever" the first verse of FHLI... "Funny how love is everywhere just look and see Funny how love is anywhere you're bound to be Funny how love is every song in every key Funny how love is coming home in time for tea..." BUT --- on the vinyl, the cue point (the bands between songs) comes at the so-called "false ending" of MOTBQ, and my stopwatch time is 6:04.93 -- much closer to the listed 6:08 than the 6:30 someone else here listed earlier. |
| Sebastian 04.10.2004 13:05 |
I seem to remember reading somewhere that they had to delay the release of Queen II due to a mistake. Maybe that was the mistake - they had the cue point wrong -, and maybe in the US version it wasn't corrected. Or was the mistake that the "firefly" lyrics should have actually be printed in Funny? The truth is out there Call Fox & Dana :) |
| Sebastian 04.10.2004 13:33 |
I just emailed Brian and asked him about that, since he's now into those kinds of "beyond the science" mysteries. Maybe he'll blame the whole fireflies confusion to the aliens he sees in the photos |
| Little_Queenie 04.10.2004 16:56 |
My question is simply this; Why would anyone think that the following seven lined lyric be part of the same song?Simply because some uf us don't have the original first release, or it's lyrics, and we do have these mp3s. So it's perfectly natural we're confused. Cause even though we can all see that these lyrics would fit much better with MOTBQ, you could think Queen did it on purpose, to put the end of one song to the beginning of the other, to connect those songs in a way. They did that more than a few times, so it would be no surprise. |
| FriedChicken 04.10.2004 17:17 |
Buy the cd and you'll know it you parasite!! |
| Little_Queenie 04.10.2004 17:25 |
FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: Buy the cd and you'll know it you parasite!!Oh fuck off Mr. Know All... Thanks to all who were kind enough to answer:) |
| FriedChicken 04.10.2004 17:41 |
Btw, it's just stupid to think that the 'Forget your singalongs' part is supposed to be part of Funny How Love Is. March of the Black Queen is made of 6 or so different parts, While 'Funny' is the same the whole song |
| Little_Queenie 04.10.2004 17:55 |
Yes, we got to that conclusion long before you even replied to this topic (who would've guess).. The only question was how MOTBQ was cut on the first release of Queen II cause on newer releases there are many versions of it (by mistake or whatever). And there are many young fans who can't possibly get that first release. So if you just can't, or won't, answer the question, spare us of your "charming" comments. |
| FriedChicken 04.10.2004 18:02 |
So if i don't read the topic immediatly I don't have the rights to reply? Sorry, but there are people who DO have lives, and don't have time to spend the whole day looking at noticeboards |
| Saint Jiub 04.10.2004 18:06 |
Little_Queenie wrote: The only question was how MOTBQ was cut on the first release of Queen IIThis was answered earlier in the thread - In summary, the LP was done correctly, but the CD song marker was often errantly placed. Why won't you buy the CD? |
| Little_Queenie 04.10.2004 18:08 |
I'm really glad for you having a life, but that doesn't justify you being rude. Especially if you post such comments, and obviously don't know what were people talking about before you replied. |
| Little_Queenie 04.10.2004 18:15 |
Bullwinkle wrote:But I bought it, Hollywood records. MOTBQ ends with guitar and piano part, and FHLI starts with "Forget your singalongs..." Official release and still it has errors. I got confused cause there are different versions on different releases. So I was just wondering was it on purpose and what was it like on the first LP. Now I know what's it all about, tnx for your help!Little_Queenie wrote: The only question was how MOTBQ was cut on the first release of Queen IIThis was answered earlier in the thread - In summary, the LP was done correctly, but the CD song marker was often errantly placed. Why won't you buy the CD? |
| FriedChicken 04.10.2004 18:25 |
"and obviously don't know what were people talking about before you replied. " Thats right. But I (and not just me) just get sick and tired of people asking stuff about songs they downloaded. They ask on which album the song Mama is. Or if Elvis wrote Crazy little thing called Love. Questions they wouldn't have asked if they bought the album. |
| Little_Queenie 04.10.2004 18:37 |
I totally agree with you on this one, and I can assure you I'm not one of those folks. I've been a Queen fan for about 15 years (which is pretty long when you consider I'm 19 at the moment) and have all their albums, and all released stuff (except Q rocks)... How can you compare this question (which even wasn't mine, but I also wanted to know the answer) with those like "Was FREDY gay" etc. And you obviously didn't read my last post where I explained my confusion, again. I believe you'll never get my point, so nevermind. |
| deleted user 04.10.2004 18:59 |
I even overheard someone say 'Hey look! Michael Buble revived Crazy Little Thing Called Love. Isn't that one of Elvis's songs?' |
| Penis - Vagina 04.10.2004 20:05 |
This is all so silly! And as I stated, my Hollywood version, which is a fairly old pressing (because now they've replaced the logos with the text HOLLYWOOD RECORDS on later pressings) has the (obviously to me) correct time for MOTBQ at 6:33 even though the packaging states differently (you can never trust that anyway). We know that the single version of FHLI starts at the point where it does.. if they'd started at the other place, they wouldn't need a new mix without the 'ahhhh' vocal (even with that portion from MOTBQ it's short enough for a single) But all that aside, who gives a shit? The album was intended to be played side white and side black. So stop worrying where track markers are and enjoy the album as a whole, as intended. And stop arguing over such trivial matters! Is it worth damaging friendships over THIS? |
| Sebastian 05.10.2004 00:19 |
I've got to stay in defence of the people who asked this. First of all, some of them DID buy the album, but some cuts have March ending after "dots her i's". So it's reasonable there are doubts Second of all, as someone confirmed, the US release has the cue point after that, so the "fireflies" part is included in Funny. Moreover the length of TMOTBQ is printed as 6:08, not 6:30 as in others. So there are valid reasons for many to have the doubt. Third of all, as much as Niek said March is a chain of six sections and Funny is the same all over, it could also be said that March is the chain of five sections and Funny is the chain of two. The argument that the "fireflies" lyrics are more connected to Black Queen (which I support by the way) is a strong point, but imo there's no need to say that "everybody with half an ear and a brain should know that", since, again, some CD releases did separate them in the other point. |
| Little_Queenie 05.10.2004 02:25 |
Sebastian wrote: I've got to stay in defence of the people who asked this. First of all, some of them DID buy the album, but some cuts have March ending after "dots her i's". So it's reasonable there are doubts Second of all, as someone confirmed, the US release has the cue point after that, so the "fireflies" part is included in Funny. Moreover the length of TMOTBQ is printed as 6:08, not 6:30 as in others. So there are valid reasons for many to have the doubt. Third of all, as much as Niek said March is a chain of six sections and Funny is the same all over, it could also be said that March is the chain of five sections and Funny is the chain of two. The argument that the "fireflies" lyrics are more connected to Black Queen (which I support by the way) is a strong point, but imo there's no need to say that "everybody with half an ear and a brain should know that", since, again, some CD releases did separate them in the other point.Well said Sebastian, I totally agree! |