Sonja 25.09.2004 06:31 |
Ok, it's been almost a week since this happening but what in the world are people thinking that Cat Stevens has connections to the 9/11 terrorists?? Only because he's muslim and changed his name into Yusuf Islam?? Cat Stevens is one of the most peaceful artists in the world who always fought for peace and always took part in charity stuff! What's going on in this world anyway? He's going to fight for his rights and I hope he'll show these people what a bunch of idiots they are! |
iGSM 25.09.2004 07:11 |
Only in America..and possibly England. |
Maz 25.09.2004 11:56 |
Sonja wrote: Only because he's muslim and changed his name into Yusuf Islam??According to officials, Stevens has given money in the past to Hamas which is on the US terror list. |
Penetration_Guru 25.09.2004 12:15 |
Except they allege that he did so in the lates 80s, and had no objection to him entering the US 3 months ago. |
agneepath! 11994 25.09.2004 13:08 |
its a joke... besides it show how good US security is if they let him on board a plane and then realise who he is... |
Penis - Vagina 25.09.2004 13:11 |
Well, he'll be telling his side of the story next Friday on '20/20'. He may have supported the wrong group here and there (by mistake I'd think), but I don't believe for a second that he's a danger to the U.S. |
wstüssyb 25.09.2004 13:42 |
well I think his music sucked So better for us to allow less crappy things in, we have enough as it is. |
agneepath! 11994 25.09.2004 14:04 |
Nah I love his music - Father and Son, wild world, Peace Train are all wonderful! |
Penis - Vagina 25.09.2004 14:09 |
Dolly Parton's version of Peace Train rocks! |
geeksandgeeks 25.09.2004 16:16 |
It's all the fault of Sean Hannity. He's been trumpeting it all over FNC since 9/11/04. |
joeyjojo 26.09.2004 00:04 |
Day by day, I become more and more embarrassed to admit that I'm an American. |
SergeantPepperDG 26.09.2004 00:16 |
I've stopped saying the Pledge of Allegiance at school. I'm so sick of it. |
Lester Burnham 26.09.2004 00:21 |
Shame about this. I'll listen to 'Teaser and the Firecat' for him. ... Ahh I love 'Bitterblue'. |
Maz 26.09.2004 02:22 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: and had no objection to him entering the US 3 months ago.They attribute that to a "spelling mistake." |
Maz 26.09.2004 02:25 |
Binomial Nomenclature <br><font size=1>SPDG</font> wrote: I've stopped saying the Pledge of Allegiance at school. I'm so sick of it.Why? I think your anger is misplaced. |
Penis - Vagina 26.09.2004 02:42 |
Aren't you and I supposed to be asleep Zeni? :-P And I agree.. it's never worth disowning your own country because your government sucks. I'm proud to be an American because our people are good, and we can't help it if our higher ups make some stupid decisions. |
SergeantPepperDG 26.09.2004 09:18 |
I don't hate the U.S., I consider myself very lucky to live here. I'm just extremely annoyed right now. |
SergeantPepperDG 26.09.2004 09:26 |
At least the "under god" part, since there should be separation of church and state. |
joeyjojo 26.09.2004 10:44 |
"And I agree.. it's never worth disowning your own country because your government sucks. I'm proud to be an American because our people are good, and we can't help it if our higher ups make some stupid decisions." Well, I don't HATE the US. There's lots of great stuff about it. I'm rather depressed about the widespread malaise and ignorance these days regarding society as a whole. We have the most inane debates in this country these days...gay marriage, war on terror, broken health system...it's rather ridiculous how many blinders a lot of us are wearing. Regarding the 'we can't help it if our higher ups...', well, actually, we can. Our government *is* us in this country. We vote. We repeal. We petition. We canvas. We protest. We actually do have a lot of say in what's going on. Unfortunately, less than half of us actually speak up. *sigh*. |
Maz 26.09.2004 11:58 |
<font color ="firebrick">ThomasQuinn wrote: The pledge of allegiance is a stupid, fascist thing. Did you know they had to do the same thing in Nazi-Germany? That's EXACTLY what it is, and it should be abolished immediately!Since you like to throw the word "facism" and its various forms around, Caspar, perhaps you'd actually like to know what it means: link Now that we have the definition down, we can start using it properly. The Pledge is not fascist, nor is it something that occurred solely in the US and Nazi Germany. But by all means, continue to make comparisons between the two countries. |
Music Man 26.09.2004 20:01 |
You see, this is what I am constantly annoyed by. There are people who wish to abolish the pledge of allegiance because of ridiculous arguments. One does not lawfully have to recite the pledge of allegiance ever. The pledge of allegiance does no harm whatsoever. It doesn't kill you, it doesn't injure you, it doesn't restrict your rights. Finally, and of course, it does not make facists out of anyone. Go ahead, say that "under God" does not belong in there...say you don't "like" the pledge...don't participate in the pledge...but don't think for a second that it's existence there is detrimental to you in any way. |
Mr.Jingles 27.09.2004 09:59 |
Zeni the Wet Sprocket wrote:I don't think Caspar wanted to refer exactly to 'The Pledge of Allegiance' as fascist, but rather those who want to enforce it.<font color ="firebrick">ThomasQuinn wrote: The pledge of allegiance is a stupid, fascist thing. Did you know they had to do the same thing in Nazi-Germany? That's EXACTLY what it is, and it should be abolished immediately!Since you like to throw the word "facism" and its various forms around, Caspar, perhaps you'd actually like to know what it means: link Now that we have the definition down, we can start using it properly. The Pledge is not fascist, nor is it something that occurred solely in the US and Nazi Germany. But by all means, continue to make comparisons between the two countries. I think Caspar knows what fascism means, and as many Americans he feels like our government wants to force their people to have certain beliefs, or suffer the consecuences. He has a right to not say the pledge, and his decision should be respected. Besides there are many Americans today who are ashamed to say the pledge because in some way they fel like pleading allegiance to the Bush administration. |
geeksandgeeks 28.09.2004 18:31 |
whirled <font color=#6B8E23>peas</font> wrote: Aren't you and I supposed to be asleep Zeni? :-P |
LiveAidQueen 28.09.2004 19:32 |
That's a bit confusing... |
Maz 29.09.2004 01:20 |
<font color ="crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: I feel that pledging allegiance to a country is, in a way, closing your eyes and doing as you are told (by pledging allegiance you accept whatever the thing/person you pledge allegiance to to be right), which I think is a stupid thing, and I think that people who enforce this are fascist.I assure you that many, if not most, democracies require some sort of oath when you register to vote. That oath is probably similar to the pledge in that it affirms your allegience to your country (though perhaps in not the same exact wording) and that you promise to abide by the rules/laws of your country. Some places may even require an oath on the more provincial/state level. Under your argument, Caspar, countries that require an oath/pledge, even if it allows you participate in the most fundamental of all democratic actions (voting) must be fascist. Hate Bush. Heck, hate the United States. But learn the implications of your words before you use them. |